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Is Microsoft Set on Finally Supporting the PC as Gaming Platform?

Keith writes: Microsoft has been known in the past to state that they were going to “support” the PC as a gaming platform, yet nothing really came from the company despite those claims. Put that on repeat for several more years, combine that will the archaic Games for Windows Live and you see why the PC gaming community has really put a lot of faith into Microsoft or any support from them. Going into 2015, however, Microsoft Xbox President Phil Spencer, made a effort to claim that Microsoft does in fact understand the needs of the PC Gaming community and acknowledges that the company does need to become more involved. But can Spencer be trusted? Should we as PC gamers allow Microsoft into our lives again, outside of their OS’s that is?

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Rookie_Monster1140d ago (Edited 1140d ago )

Gears Ultimate, Fable legends, KI season 3, Sea of Thieves, Halo Wars 2, Xbox Live app, Streaming Xbox games to Windows 10 and all cross play online play is free without Live Gold. That is like 1000% more PC games and support than other console makers, I mean what more do you guys want?

SaveFerris1140d ago

Quantum Break on PC would be popular.

4Sh0w1140d ago (Edited 1140d ago )

Well PC is obviously a platform open to support from ANY console manufacturer, publisher, developer, indie team and so on. Microsoft however owns the Xbox platform and thus should focus more on Xbox...I think it would be smart business if they actually supported pc gaming with LESS of their exclusive games, if pc gamers are not compelled to get an X1 because said game is not on pc, then let them complain, its such an ungrateful thought process to complain to the 1 platform holder who tries to help support a platform they don't own but you happen to prefer anyway. Windows is Microsofts priority with PC and with it maintaining dominance in pc OS space, I see no reason to support PC with more games at the cost of their Xbox brand. Again, I'm a gamer and Microsoft can afford some luke warm support so that's great but beggers can't be choosers so what ever they provide is icing on top of the Windows cake. If PC needs more than the already great support that it gets from Microsoft why dont PC enthusiasts call on Sony and Nintendo for more support=games?

Vegamyster1139d ago (Edited 1139d ago )

@4Sh0w

Question, how does more exclusives moving over to PC affect you or other console gamers? Microsoft sees the profit they can make on PC (Sony too) which is why they're putting more games on the platform.

"If PC needs more than the already great support that it gets from Microsoft why dont PC enthusiasts call on Sony and Nintendo for more support=games?"

Nintendo has never supported the PC with its games aside from some 90's bloatware (Mario Teaches Typing ect). Sony has, well in regards to games they've funded/supported aka Street Fight 5 & Shenmue 3 more recently.

"I'm a gamer and Microsoft can afford some luke warm support so that's great but beggers can't be choosers so what ever they provide is icing on top of the Windows cake."

Sounds like you just don't want games to come to another platform for some sort of exclusive bragging rights lol.

freshslicepizza1139d ago

microsoft will likely continue to keep certain titles exclusive to the xbox platform so they won't be fully engaged with the pc. there is also a ton of requests to stream xbox one games to the pc which they have hinted they may do eventually.

they are doing a lot more than before but the glaring issue remains, xbox live gold. they tried it before on the pc and it didn't work. so how can you have multiplayer behind a paywall on the console but not on the pc and not explain why that is?

places like steam also get 30% royalties on every game sold, microsoft will try and get consumers to buy pc games through their windows store and pushing cross buy will certainly help.

4Sh0w1139d ago (Edited 1139d ago )

@Vegamyster
"Question, how does more exclusives moving over to PC affect you or other console gamers?"

-It doesn't which is why I said CLEARLY "I think it would be smart business" -then I went on further explaining WHY.

"Nintendo has never supported the PC with its games aside from some 90's bloatware"

-So where are the petitions?, wheres the pc enthusiasts backlash?, where are the pc sites writing negative editorials about this? -oh I see its OK.

"Sony has, well in regards to games they've funded/supported aka Street Fight 5 & Shenmue 3 more recently."

-lol, Are you serious bro, SF has been on pc, sony introduced Shenmue 3 with a kickstarter for funding, we aren't talking about games that sony has put tons of money and resources into to have them to be made by 1st or 3rd parties. Get real bro, there is a vast difference from the pc crowd demanding Halo games(plenty others too) on pc but at the same time no one fathoms UC4 from sony on pc, so let me ask you a question -Why is that? I think it because pc crowd knows sony has invested big in UC4, so much so they want you to buy a ps4 and the answer would be an automatic Hell No!....well Microsoft has invested big in Halo and others, sure it would mean *game sell profits from pc but you and I both know that at some point its at a cost of *console sales for the platform they OWN= take away your emotion and tell me WHY should Microsoft further risk hurting their hardware sales which drive up the more expensive software sales that comes along with having a larger console install base?

"Sounds like you just don't want games to come to another platform for some sort of exclusive bragging rights lol."

-No, what it sounds like is I'm a gamer telling you the truth about why what you are asking doesn't make smart business sense for the company to do. They are a business afterall, not your friend. Nowhere did I go all fanboy like "haha you can't play this or that", NO...I'm just explaining a business reality. As a gamer as long as I get to play I don't mind if pc players get to play too, in a perfect world(for the consumer) ALL games from ALL companies would be playable on whatever you own but again reality says different. So the point is as you can see the HEADLINE ASKED A QUESTION, so above was my answer. The ONLY thing that annoys me is when someone rightfully tells pc guys that heavy support(their big games) for pc would be counter productive to Microsoft's xbox brand pc folks make these self-entitled comments, yet the ONLY gamers entitled to Xbox exclusive are those who SUPPORTED Xbox brand by *actually buying the console.

Vegamyster1139d ago (Edited 1139d ago )

I said

"Question, how does more exclusives moving over to PC affect you or other console gamers?"

Your response

"-It doesn't which is why I said CLEARLY "I think it would be smart business" -then I went on further explaining WHY."

You specifically said it in your first comment

"I think it would be smart business if they actually supported pc gaming with LESS of their exclusive games"

You've admitted it doesn't actually affect you.

"-So where are the petitions?, wheres the pc enthusiasts backlash?, where are the pc sites writing negative editorials about this? -oh I see its OK."

Backlash over what? Crappy typing games nobody remembers from the 90's? Its not like it was a core game like Super Mario World or M64 ect.

"lol, Are you serious bro, SF has been on pc, sony introduced Shenmue 3 with a kickstarter for funding, we aren't talking about games that sony has put tons of money and resources into to have them to be made by 1st or 3rd parties. Get real bro, there is a vast difference from the pc crowd demanding Halo games(plenty others too) on pc but at the same time no one fathoms UC4 from sony on pc"

Street Fighter 5 & Shenmue has SCE involved, that's why neither will be coming to Xone because Sony is helping. Your forgetting games like Halo & Gears were on PC and they didn't become exclusive to Xbox until Halo 3/Gears 2.

"They are a business afterall, not your friend" "So the point is as you can see the HEADLINE ASKED A QUESTION, so above was my answer."

Exactly, do you honestly think they're bringing Halo & Gear) back to the platform purely based on people asking for it? Considering how much Valve pulls in I'd say they're doing it because they see the money that they can make. Putting games on Windows 10 only makes them money, it will hurt the sales of the Xone to a degree but you forget that hardware sales are not where console manufacturers make money since they sell consoles at a loss most of the time, software sales is where the moneys at so business wise its a win win for both them & consumers on another platform.

IrishSt0ner1139d ago

@mouldybread

"...to stream xbox one games to the pc..."

You can already do that on Windows 10, maybe you meant the other way... PC games streamed to Xbox, which is requested quite a lot. Spencer mentioned m/k support needs to come first, which is hinted as coming.

"...xbox live gold. they tried it before on the pc..."

They've already announced Xbox Live will not require the Gold paid subscription on PC for multiplayer.

"...microsoft will try and get consumers to buy pc games through their windows store and pushing cross buy will certainly help."

Yea I think this is the main area for failure as Steam is more established with 1000s of titles, at probably a much lower cost than MS will do. I agree cross-buy could be a very tempting feature.

freshslicepizza1139d ago

@IrishSt0ner

"You can already do that on Windows 10, maybe you meant the other way... PC games streamed to Xbox, which is requested quite a lot. Spencer mentioned m/k support needs to come first, which is hinted as coming."

yes that's what i meant, sorry.

"They've already announced Xbox Live will not require the Gold paid subscription on PC for multiplayer."

i know which is why i question microsoft on how they refuse to allow online multiplayer on xbox live without that paywall. other than xbox is a closed system and therefore all games work with all those features.

"Yea I think this is the main area for failure as Steam is more established with 1000s of titles, at probably a much lower cost than MS will do. I agree cross-buy could be a very tempting feature."

will they allow games like fable legends to be sold through steam? it will be interesting to see how controlling they are and discouraging purchases of their pc games outside of windows storefront. it may become like ea's origin where you have to get games through origin and most pc gamers don't like that concept. they want to be able to have all of their games on one service like steam. what microsoft is doing however is quite ingenious. steam can run through the xbox one overlay while using xbox one features.

4Sh0w1139d ago (Edited 1139d ago )

"You specifically said it in your first comment"

-Yes I did, that's what my response says that I explained WHY= it doesn't affect me personally my explanation is simply about WHY it doesn't make smart business sense.

"Backlash over what? Crappy typing games nobody remembers from the 90's? Its not like it was a core game like Super Mario World or M64 ect.

-It seems like you are making my point for me, that's what I'm talking about Nintendo or Sony aren't supporting PC with their big guns that they have invested a lot in, don't give me that they are "involved" with SF5 dev, its NOT a game that they are heavily invested in as 1 of their flagship IP's anymore than Microsoft is invested in Rise of the Tomb Raider, which btw is also coming to pc and ps4. -Companies pay out less money in those situations, a locked down exclusive that you pay to have created ONLY for your platform COST MORE= INVESTMENT. Halo and Gears were first on Xbox just because Microsoft allowed pc gamers to experience years later after sales on console were all but dry it doesn't mean they are now bound by some weird logic to do it for every game, especially anywhere close to the consoles version initial release....maybe that support was to pull you into owning an Xbox for the next game, at the very least its much more support than their competition, yet its Microsoft you see as needing to do MORE.

"Exactly, do you honestly think they're bringing Halo & Gear) back to the platform purely based on people asking for it? Considering how much Valve pulls in I'd say they're doing it because they see the money that they can make."

-Uhm when did they bring them back?...I guess if you count game streaming which REQUIRES an Xbox 1 to pc. I guess though at some point they will allow them to go to pc, which again I think is cool, but I don't think it will be anytime soon so that it makes X1 more attractive because until they do its the only place to play them= smart business to do it that way. As you can see they have not thus far= that should tell you that its NOT as great for them financially as you suggest, otherwise if it was as beneficial as you say then there is no logic on earth why they wouldn't have released every Halo and Gears on pc along time ago, WHY would they be turning down the money?= because just as I have said, its NOT smart business to have heavy support of pc, at the expense of higher unit sales on xbox & lower console sales. Microsoft understands there is a fine line between supporting pc and running a simultaneous xbox platform. btw lets not act like the pc community thinks they are only entitled to those Halo & Gears games. Your thirst for xbox exclusives on your pc, with no concern of what implications it has on microsofts xbox brand only further confirm my point. Finally the Valve comparison doesn't make much sense, Valve doesn't have a long running console platform that the have to support, Steam is just as service where they sell anyones games 99% of which they have not previously invested in. It's like Amazon for pc gamers, totally different from asking Microsoft to make their OWN exclusives they funded themselves on pc while they already have a platform specifically for their games.

-This was not meant to rain on your parade, only to shed light on why Microsoft isn't in a rush to support pc with their most popular games.

Vegamyster1139d ago (Edited 1139d ago )

" Halo and Gears were first on Xbox just because Microsoft allowed pc gamers to experience years later after sales on console were all but dry"

Halo 1
Xbox 2001 (sold for many years after release)
PC 2003

Halo 2 2004
PC 2007

GoW 1 2006
PC 2007

Only Halo 2 fits your argument, regardless it came to the platform so it only makes sense that people on the platform expect Microsoft to bring those games to the platform at some point?

"-It seems like you are making my point for me, that's what I'm talking about Nintendo or Sony aren't supporting PC with their big guns that they have invested a lot in"

Sony nor Nintendo has nothing to do with Microsoft who has brought their big IP's to the system.

"sure it would mean *game sell profits from pc but you and I both know that at some point its at a cost of *console sales for the platform they OWN= take away your emotion and tell me WHY should Microsoft further risk hurting their hardware sales which drive up the more expensive software sales that comes along with having a larger console install base?"

I have have no emotion for these pieces of plastic, your completely missed the part where console manufactures sell these systems at a loss, they make money off software, MS's original debut and PR of the Xone screwed their chances at beating the PS4 which sells games at a 3:1 ratio currently and has fallen behind PC 3rd party games sales according to Steam Spy.

It's pretty clear they're branching out with Windows 10 which is free for the next year to create a install base where they can make more money on, they're doing this because they know they can't catch Sony and are jumping on the PC market because they see the value.

"-Uhm when did they bring them back?..."

Gears of War 1 remastered was announced for PC and Halo Wars 2 is coming to windows 10 with more announcements apparently coming.

"As you can see they have not thus far= that should tell you that its NOT as great for them financially as you suggest"

The 360 & PS3 are very close to each other sales wise, the PS4 is running away from the Xone at a massive rate. PC gaming wasn't as popular as it was 9 years ago because it was pricier at the time, now its not and Steam now has 125+ million active account and grows by the millions each month.

"Your thirst for xbox exclusives on your pc, with no concern of what implications it has on microsofts xbox brand only further confirm my point."

When you say stuff like "beggers" or "thirst" it really doesn't help your argument, plus i never said Microsoft should bring there games to the platform for my own gain.

take Bayonetta 2 for example, there was petitions for a 360/PS3 version, same when Tomb Raider (no one knew if it was timed when announced) & Street Fighter 5 ect. It has nothing to do with "Thrist" or being "beggers". When one games comes to a platform but the sequel doesn't, people are not happy with that regardless of the platform.

"Finally the Valve comparison doesn't make much sense, Valve doesn't have a long running console platform that the have to support, Steam is just as service where they sell anyones games 99% of which they have not previously invested in."

Value makes boat loads of money on a platform devs claimed wasn't profitable due to piracy, you don't think Microsoft hasn't noticed? Why do you think they're telling PC gamers that they'll support the platform more and have a Xbox app on windows 10?

4Sh0w1139d ago

"regardless it came to the platform so it only makes sense that people on the platform expect Microsoft to bring those games to the platform at some point?"

-So 2, 3, and 1 yr respectively and none of the sequels since 2007, yep sounds like lukewarm support to me....and no I disagree that it makes sense to bring those games at some point, one could just as easily assume that those games were to encourage some of those gamers to buy an Xbox to play the next game.

"Sony nor Nintendo has nothing to do with Microsoft who has brought their big IP's to the system."

-In this case Sony and Nintendo have everything to do with Microsoft bringin their big IP's to pc because that's their competition and it goes back to my point that its NOT smart business to compete on consoles by offering most of your big IP's to pc, while your competitors do NOT.

"your completely missed the part where console manufactures sell these systems at a loss, they make money off software,"

-Which is why traditionally console games cost more than the pc version, Microsoft would much rather you buy the game on Xbox plus it means they sell Xbox hardware too, which pushes HIGHER Xbox software sells.

"MS's original debut and PR of the Xone screwed their chances at beating the PS4"

-I'm sure Microsoft would love to outsell sony but they are selling more X1's than they sold 360's in the same timeframe, Xbox can be very successful financially this gen WITHOUT outselling ps4, that's like saying Burger Kings better performance this year that broke their previous sales records is a failure because McDonalds sold 5x more.

"Gears of War 1 remastered was announced for PC and Halo Wars 2 is coming to windows 10 with more announcements apparently coming."

-lol, Again very good examples of lukewarm support....Gears 1 as you know is on pc already, Halo Wars 2 is NOT the main IP Halo which drives hardware and software sales on Xbox, Halo Wars was one of my favorite games last gen, its a very well adapted console RTS, I'm glad my pc brothers will get to play it, day and date with me on X1 I believe. Hell, I'd like if that were the case with every X1 exclusive but I understand that the reality is that would be counter productive to their X1 brand, if you cannot see why that is, its just because you don't want to.

"When you say stuff like "beggers" or "thirst" it really doesn't help your argument, plus i never said Microsoft should bring there games to the platform for my own gain."

-Well this isn't a PR event, pc enthusiasts are begging for X1 exclusives very much, I understand they feel like Microsoft is the only one who will support= and they have but it is what it is because that only leads to pc enthusiasts asking for MORE support= begging. So what are you saying, it sounds like if the did it will be your gain.

4Sh0w1139d ago (Edited 1139d ago )

"you don't think Microsoft hasn't noticed? Why do you think they're telling PC gamers that they'll support the platform more and have a Xbox app on windows 10?"

-No, I don't think they are doing anything more special than before, notice you said *telling PC gamers, same as before, its polite to say that, and I assume that Microsoft thinks what they are doing is called supporting PC a helluva lot compared to their competitors. Windows 10 being free is a great Trojan horse strategy of solidifying that position for the next 10 yrs, because so much more of their paid software services are embedded, future upgrades and so on will cost, consumers and business alike will NOT switch out their whole network 2, 4, 6 yrs from now to something else that will be costly and unfamiliar.

-OK so, please do have the last word. I won't respond but Iam very interested to read what you have to say and if you want to pm me to discuss further then that's fine.

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SniperControl1140d ago

Would love all those games plus Quantum Break, however MS can keep that Xbox live app, already deleted it from my W10(thanks to the guys on reddit for there knowhow).

holysmokesbatman1139d ago

*their.

I love the Xbox app personally but I guess it's a bit pointless without an Xbox one and or some MS games with achievements.

Love the streaming feature too.

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Somebody1140d ago

You know what's better than streaming XBox games to Windows 10? Actually playing PC versions of those games.

MS is making this 180 simply it needed the PC as fallback for it's console. It's not doing well against the PS4 but they also see Sony is still not secure financially even with that massive lead. Supporting PC gaming means MS will have a solid financial backup.

MS wants to capture the huge F2P and MMO market especially with China finally lifting the ban on consoles. PC gaming, especially those with micro-transactions, is hardwired in the Asian demographic so absorbing the PC and XBox into a single OS would be beneficial. MS can easily fit in the Chinese gaming market through it's support of PC gaming in Win10 while it's console can steadily grow alongside it. MS has two big guns firing into China while Sony only has the PS4.

Just look at games you listed- aside from Gears, the rest are F2Ps or online only with micro-transactions. You could say Halo War 2 might not be F2P but there is a possibility because Creative Assembly has been serious in trying to break into that market with Total War Battles and Arena.

MS supporting traditional PC gaming, no. MS supporting the newer, persistent content based PC gaming, yes. I mean, you have to pay MS to get rid the adds off Solitaire in Windows 10!

Unreal011139d ago

Thank you. Someone with some sense.

Roccetarius1139d ago

Actually playing PC versions of those games is the only way i'll touch it, because i don't care one bit about the Xbox App either.

captainbigballs1139d ago

i can smell the jealousy in the amount of dislikes your comment has lmao.

but hey sony fans, cheers to sales, right? :-)

fermcr1139d ago (Edited 1139d ago )

Who understands fanboys!

If Microsoft doesn't bring their exclusive games to Windows, then fanboys start bitching that Microsoft doesn't support Windows.

If Microsoft bring their exclusive games to Windows, then those fanboys start bitching that they don't want a Xbox because it has no exclusives.

Rookie_Monster1139d ago (Edited 1139d ago )

So true and to the point of what really is going on here regarding MS and their games on PC. I already spotted a couple of posters commenting here that were saying "what is the point of getting a XB1 when their games are on PC" comments on those other articles. The flip flop is pretty funny to see here.

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kdmitchell_toh1140d ago

That's the key, we're not talking about other console makers. MS has been dabbling in PC gaming, on and off and has stated on many occassions that they would support the PC and daggle a carrot in front of us. Then they would just as fast pull it away. I'm liking what MS is doing now, but my concerns is how long will they keep it up. I know it may seem jealous but if you say you're going to do something and then keep going back on that word, it makes it pretty hard to believe you when you are 100% honest this time around.

Granted Phil Spencer is doing some amazing things now and he's not only turning the PC gaming side of MS around but also the Xbox (console) division, so there's hope. Though to be 100%, we would love an exclusive title or two, something that's not available on the Xbox One or something that's not a port.

4Sh0w1140d ago (Edited 1140d ago )

"I know it may seem jealous but if you say you're going to do something and then keep going back on that word, it makes it pretty hard to believe you when you are 100% honest this time around."

-Well essentially their support of pc is to further adaption of Windows, which quite frankly they have always had and maintained a stronghold on the OS market all while their PC gaming support hasn't done much to HELP OR HURT THEIR POSITION AT THE TOP, so at this point for a company to support a open platform like pc while they also have a platform they own in xbox anything they do to support pc should be met with appreciation. It's similar to finding yourself in an awkward position offering to do a favor for an associate because he came to you in desperation. Microsoft obviously doesn't want to say "we will have limited support of pc" but given they are never specific in regards to how much support pc will get beyond "we care about pc & we have to do better" they simply just don't want to turn off any segment of consumers but speaking strictly from a business perspective it just makes sense to have limited support of pc because they have a Xbox business to run also, heavy support of pc would be counter productive.

It may not be what some pc gamers want to hear but that's my honest take on the situation.

magiciandude1140d ago

Phil Spencer is a fan of Steam as he has spoken positively about the service in the past, so I think that MS not only will support PC gaming for actual, but also get a strong partnership with Valve. In addition, Steam in it's full fledged form could also come to Xbox One. That would be awesome. I have some hopes for that.

ONESHOTV21139d ago

two stores on one console will not work do you think Microsoft would let you buy games cheap off steam when they could sell you the games for 60$ or more. your comment makes no sense.

magiciandude1139d ago

Don't see how that couldn't work for games not on Xbox One, like the Valve first-party games, MMOs, MOBAs, RTS games, indies, FTP, the boatloads of last-gen games, etc.

Does it make sense now?

Rookie_Monster1139d ago (Edited 1139d ago )

Well said 4Sh0w,

There are certain games that are going to be on PC that MS are porting and those include cross play and/or cross buy between PC and XB1 and we already have seen and get a general idea what they are. HALO Wars...a no Brainer for PC with its PC stable RTS nature gameplay. Project Spark, Fable Legends and Sea of Thieves are online co op centric games and are perfect for Cross Buy and Cross play between then 2 systems. KI is definitely MS's trying to answer to the SFV Pc/PS4 crossplay deal; otherwise it probably would have remain XB1 exclusive. And of course smaller scale digital games like Ori are made for both as well, tht is a given.

From a business standpoint, most of the central big AAA games and IPs like Halo, Gears, Forza, and of course what we are seeing from Crackdown online, are properties that drives and retains Live Gold subscribers on XB1. The incentive of retaining valuation, subscribers and console sales greatly depreciate if those IPs went to PC as well. It only make business sense and why Forza 5 and Halo MCC to this day are still exclusive to XB1. There is a reason why streaming XB1 games to Windows is a standard feature in the XB1 app.

It is just business but the fact that MS made a few titles cross play and Cross buy and the ability to stream to Windows 10 are more than what it was on X360. So we should be grateful and shouldn't be salty about not able to play every Big AAA exclusives by MS. If you really want to play them, then just get a XB1 or continue to wait in hope of maybe.

--bienio--1140d ago

Quentum Break in this case please.

Talgrath1140d ago

I've seen new Windows versions come through since Windows existed that Microsoft claimed were signs that they were "supporting video gaming", so far it's mostly talk. Microsoft will take a half-hearted swipe at it when the new OS comes out to get you to upgrade and then give up. Remember when Microsoft said that Games for Windows would get the same sort of support as the XBox consoles? Because I do. Did that happen? No.

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