According to some in the investment/business analyst community, Microsoft is indeed going to make a bid for Take-Two.
I don't think its going to happen. This rumor has been shot down already. And Microsoft knows that EA is trying to acquire take two for the longest time now. By microsoft making a bid, they might run the risk of breaking up the good relationship that they have with EA.
I don't think it has anything to do with their relationship with EA, more so it being that buying a company for 2.5 billion dollars, then slashing it's DS, PSP, PS3 and Wii divisions doesn't seem like the smartest idea.
Well that can be said about any third party developers right? And i though microsoft was trying to buy epic, now its take two?
Thats why it's extremely rare to see a console manufacturer buy out a 3rd party developer/publisher.
MS already publishes games. If they're seeking to expand their portfolio they'll most likely look into developers and publishers. $2.5 Billion is not worth what they'd get from T2, thats why the console manufactures don't buy up publishers. The value of T2 would be cut down severely by cutting out the PSP,PS3,Wii,DS profits.
@SixTwoTwo actually its not that rare. Sony went in a bought out tons or them when they entered the video game business. As sony fanboys like to point out that sony has a lot of 1st party devs. How you think they got so many of them ? About the only way I see MS getting T2 is if they sell out to MS to avoid EA buying them out. They been trying to keep EA from buying them out for a while now. Maybe they are willing to work with MS and not EA but I kind of doubt it.
MS can't even handle its own internal development studios well, and now its going after a major 3rd party publisher? They should go after 2nd party developers instead.
Are you sure part of it might not be about the relationship? Do you not remember how EA helped the Dreamcast's decline? Also, I remember hearing talk during the original xbox that EA had something to do with the closing of XSN....and their willingness to come under live.
Sony from my recollection supports new and up coming devs and if they are sucesseful they buy them. Its not ideal to buy out an established multi-plat publisher as their value would diminish greatly if they are to publish for one platform only. The price is not worth it. Ever wonder why Sony never bought out Square?. It is much cheaper and finacially sound to support up and coming unknow devs and then buy them out when they succeed and have them either as 1st or second parties. However if this is ture then great for MS. They need 1st parties but i don't see how this would make any financial sense.
i just had an idea, what if this is the reason T2 didn't take EA's deal, they already had planswith MS
I agree with most of you. I don't see MS buying T2. Just as Shane Kim stated the last time the rumor was brought up, "There are ALOT of things that you can do with $5B." They stood by while EA gobbled up Bioware. Imo Bioware would have been a fantastic studio to add to MGS, and EA got them for 800 mil.
MS needs to do something to bolster it's in-house studios and adding Take 2 (Rockstar specifically) would be huge. Imagine GTA, Midnight Club, Bully, etc only for MS consoles. Would suck for me as a PS3 only owner BUT it would provide the incentive to bring people such as myself who may want to play the aforementioned games to the 360 (or the next console). This may be too big a fish to try to catch though. MS might want to pick up some smaller studios first. E for Effort here.
If they have Take-Two, they don't NEED EA.
I cannot wait for GTA4.5. GTA4 was a gimped game because it was on the 360. The 360 has proven it cannot handle big enviroments without popup. GTA will be another rehased and ruined series if it's exclusive for 360.
microsoft would not want to alienate EA. and snapping up take-two would certainly do that. although ea pump alot of rubbish, that rubbish sells container loads. sony or microsoft could not survive without ea. if either of thos two bought take two, ea would with-hold franchises, and all other sorts of dirty stuff to fu*k them up. mikeslemonad: lose a bubble for being a fanboy
Both systems suffered from popup on GTA4 ... your statement is a load of rubbish considering the PS3 version had much more negative press regarding freezing and bugs ...
If Sony getting into this bid business by bidding on Take-Two hmm. I wonder who will win, but I know M$ will always win in this one, just look at their trend, btw M$ have R&A (Research & Acquire) team whereas other company have R&D (research & Development) team
agreed. MS couldn't even keep bungie completely happy, how the hell are they gonna keep T2 happy.
If this happened. No PS3 GTAs or Bioshocks. That sucks. Just leave Take Two a third party developer with its own decisions. EA would ruin all games coming from T2 is they purchased it.
Not going to happen. Microsoft Game Studios couldn't afford another couple of billion dollars to add to their debt.
they made almost $18 billion profit last year almost five times than what sony made which was almost $4 billion microsoft profits http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... sony profits http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
yea sorry they are not in debt....and the fact the have already released most of their developers last year means that they have more room to work with....but I doubt this will happen anyway.....but dont fool yourself this is MS were talking about no childs bank account
Microsoft could afford it easily. but that's not the question. Can Microsoft Game studios (a subsidiary) get Microsoft to sink another 2.5 billion dollars into a business that has yet to give them a profit?
Dude shane kim shot down this rumor humself in 07. Read the article. Take-Two. However, Shane Kim swatted down the rumor, with a fairly obvious reason why the acquisition would never happen
Go read about Corporations and Subsidiaries and say that again.
He meant Microsoft game studio, Yes Microsoft game studio is in debt. They have not yet got out of the red.
ASSASSYN 36o, You can not call someone stupid by saying: "your stupid". It just makes you look like the dumb one!
They make it seem like the company as a WHOLE will contribute to the xbox division. Its like asking of the divisions of samsung to fund development into their yepp mp3 line.... "smart" eh
just be quiet
If you can provide the links that Wikipedia cites, then that's fine, but citing Wikipedia itself is NOT credible. Haven't you learned anything in college?
You do realize that you just posted up links to wikipedia right? It may or may not be true, but you just gave an unreliable source. [email protected] I learned that in 7th grade ^^ And 8th..and 9th..And now 10th most likely..
Microsoft is turning a profit on the 360 and has been since the launch of Halo 3. 360 has been profitable for almost a year now. http://arstechnica.com/news... http://www.joystiq.com/2008...
microsoft can definately buy them if they wanted. but yeah it will hurt thier relationship with EA but then again EA makes the most profit selling their products on xbox 360
Ea make more money on ps3 than any other consoles or hand held, check if u don't believe me.
wow icup ur so mis-informed
haha icup so misinformed but instead of us checking, how about you supply us with a link instead? humor me...
@ above. 360man doenst need to supply any evidence here. It is **very common** knowledge that the attach rate for Xbox 360 is higher. The install base is almost double (xbox 360 doubles PS3). Further, EA's sports games sell heavily in America/EU vs. The East; EA's profits are centered on these markets, and the Xbox 360 leads those markets even more. This is all very commmonly accepted knowledge. Without a doubt. For instance: 1 Madden NFL 08 Electronic Arts 6,779 7.27 2.32m 2 Madden NFL 08 Electronic Arts 4,317 6.66 0.86m Thats about 3:1 Xbox 360 to PS3. EA's games are almost all like this. Dont forget, the cost of development is *greater* on the PS3 than Xbox 360, so you need more unit sales to achieve the "break-even". I could go on and on and on. But, again, this is all common knowledge. Now, if you have some kind of **EVIDENCE** that in some miracle manner, EA **ISNT** making most of its money on Xbox 360 vs. PS3, I think perhaps **YOU** should produce it.
i dont know why i got two disagrees for telling ICUP to supply some links for his completely untrue statement, but it is what it is i suppose
like the end of the article said, Shane kim already smashed this rumor a while back..
It doesn't make strategic business sense. Many MS execs including Shane Kim have unconditionally outruled this and rightly called the 2.5bn price tag, as it did the Pandemic/Bioware $1bn sale to EA, overpriced. If they didn't make an offer on Pandemic/Bioware, which in my opinion was a relative bargain full of talent and fresh IP tilted to PC & 360; then they're not going to go after Take 2 for almost three times the price (as a result of a bidding war) for one stand out developer with only two major IP's in GTA & Midnight Club; some critically praised but commercially narrow IPs from other studios such as 2K's Bioshock; and a company that's in deep financial woes beyond GTAIV. IMO the Pandemic/Bioware buy was far more attractive, full of exciting new IPs and innovative franchises that had an overwhelming track record of financial and critical success, with a leaning towards the PC and 360 (Bioware) to boot, that could've been far better exploited. It would have secured the premiere Western RPG house with Mass Effect, Jade Empire, Dragon Age, KOTOR 3 (MMO), Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights IP & development teams; along with the rapidly rising Action-focused studio Pandemic with exciting franchises such as Mercenaries, Saboteur, SW Battlefront, Destroy All Humans (now THQ?), LotR: Conquest and Full Spectrum Warrior. In short EA got the bargain of the century, compared to the overinflated Take 2 they're bidding for now. MS won't bite, unless they're trying to compensate for the missed Bioware/Pandemic opportunity that I've highlighted above. And frankly, it'd be far cheaper to poach the leading development talent and teams across the globe and form new MGS studios. Why not dangle the carrot of their own studio to the likes of Ken Levine rather than pay for the whole company? My bet's on Ubisoft to come in and play White Knight by getting Take 2 at a lower cost and rescuing it from EA (who owns 33% of Ubi).
if you haven't read the article ... its pure speculation. Here is the end of the article. Last year, similar rumors swirled that Microsoft was bidding to buy Take-Two. However, Shane Kim swatted down the rumor, with a fairly obvious reason why the acquisition would never happen. Kim said in March 2007 that Microsoft “could never launch an acquisition bid at a third party publisher,” because of Take-Two’s “platform agnostic” approach. Essentially, Microsoft would be paying a huge sum of money (in this case, $2.5 billion) and not seeing the revenue streams from Take-Two’s PS3, Wii, DS and PSP business because Take-Two would become a Microsoft exclusive company. Seeking Alpha’s Stephen Frankola completely forgot about Take Two's other revenue streams. 2.5 billion dollar cost - (loss of revenue from other console lines) = not worth it!
HELL YEAH MICROSOFT GET EM DONT SEE THEM LOSING ANYTHING THEY CAN SUPPORT DS,WII,AND PSP IF THEY WANT 2 AND IF EA HAVE A PROBLEM TAKE A COUPLE BILLION $ AND BUY THEM 2 ITS A BUSINESS
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...Oh. Okay, thanks for clearing that up.
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taking everything down with them.
Holy Sh!t Hahahaha just kidding.Its an old rumor shot down by Shane Kim.Fanboys GTFO Nothing to see here
Nah, I don't believe that Microsoft is going to end up buying Take 2, but they can bid all they want. If Microsoft couldn't get Yahoo! and if EA couldn't get Take 2, I doubt Microsoft will secure Take 2.
even though I dont think MS will buy Take Two your logic is retarded..... Comparing the possible purchase of a 40 billion dollar company to a 2.5 billion dollar company is ridiculous....
Its not about the ability to seal the deal. MS could not do it with Yahoo. Its about whether Take Two is a good fit for Microsoft Game Studios.
the way i see it is this should not have been approved in the first place. This rumor was shot down already. This is all pure speculation by one person. If take two didn't want EA to buy them out, why would they turn around and allow microsoft.
Take 'em. GTA4 was one of the worst games I've played this generation. I have actually had more fun with so called flops like Lair, Conan, Untold legends and the Simpsons game than I ever did with GTA 4. The problems with GTA4 are too many to list. Yet, it got 10's?? The problems in this game are right in front of you and everyone ignored them. Everyone. Here are just a few -- Cars control like spit. You can't keep one on the road. You can't break and come to a stop, even at 5 miles an hour. Your guy gets hung up on every wall there is. The fighting is absolute garbage! The aiming is absolute garbage! Their is a lack of things to do in this "big" city. Why waste all that space? Story is 100% liner, yet fakes you out with the potential to be open ended. It's not an open ended affair. You can't kill who you want when you want. You have to go thru a story progression and that is lame. I can go on and on and on. GTA4 is the biggest hyped piece of junk ever dropped on the video game world. It's garbage!
GTA is trash
You do realize that Take Two owns more companies that just the ones that created GTA4(Rock*), right?
no gta5+no blu-ray=ruined
However, not for the same reasons that the author pointed out. If Microsoft bought Take Two then they would not cancel all their games for other platforms. Microsoft does not have a handheld so I'm sure they wouldn't cancel games for the PSP and DS. Microsoft is also on the record as saying that they do not see the Wii as a direct competitor being that both consoles have different target audiences so I'm sure they wouldn't cancel any games for the Wii. So the only console that would be left out in the cold is the PS3 and any profits loss from the PS3 could potentially be made up by increased 360 sales. The reason I doubt it will happen is just sheer dollars and cents. Microsoft's gaming division doesn't have enough clout or funds to purchase a company as large and expensive as Take Two.
Microsoft would be taking so heavy losses if they do buy it out.
be all to surprised if this happens. MSFT doesn't mind spending if the end justifies the means, and MSFT wants to be #1 in the gaming industry and this is a step in that direction.
M$ shall rule this miserable planet. EDIT: lmfao, Slogan, you must be some kind of MORON if you can't even drive a car strait in GTA LMFAO. u suck. stupid n00b. and dumbass JEWkin agreeing with him like her dykeass has ever owned a GTA game before LMFAO. she actually admitted she never played HALO 1 LMFAO.
Oh dear God...I don't want to even think about what will happen with this world if Microsoft ruled it. Dude...stay in school man. Your spelling/grammar/and punctuation is very questionable at the moment. Ya little F*CKTARD BRAT.