"Apples to Oranges: We examine whether Apple's grip on the App Store is a tender embrace or a deadly chokehold." - Grab It
I hate the everyone drop on board mentality to modern day controversy. Apple was right to check the content, wrong to ban everything.
Couldn't agree more. How stupid could you be to simply just ban everything? Context is key. What, are they going to just ignore the historical context in which the flag has been used? Because censoring history has always worked out so well in the past... Lazy, lazy stuff on Apple's part here, simply trying to jump on the social bandwagon to appease the masses.
I don't see what this has to do with gaming really. The only connection to the subject matter, is the app store. This isn't really even gaming news. Everyone knows what the confederate flag stands for. You'd have to be pretty retarded to justify it's relevance.
Exactly. I hate that people say it is about history... If it really was about preserving history you would actually use the right flag lol.
Some of the apps that were thoughtlessly banned were games.
Some people consider Mobile Gaming as real, so it's is technically relevant. "Everyone knows what the confederate flag stands for. You'd have to be pretty retarded to justify it's relevance." Also having studied the American Civil War in Advanced Higher History, while I'm not American, it's pretty clear the Confederate flag represents the Southern States that seceded the Union, Nothing to do with SLAVERY at all, considering up to 8 Union states that opted to stay within the Union still permitted slavery.
With any contentious issue like this, you can't expect there to be a quick and easy cure-all solution. Apple should have had more faith in its customers and taken a slower, more measured approach to cleaning house. Now it's just backtracking.
I don't even understand why people even use the flag... 1. It isn't the real confederate flag and never was. 2. The flag is really only used in the south of America...Hmm I wonder why. But total censorship is probably not the way to go still.
It's an identity thing. It would be like saying the US flag is offensive and should be banned because the US has done horrible things to the indians, or the Japanese, or supported slavery at one point. (and those things did happen) It would upset a lot of people because they don't attach those meanings at all to it, and they see it as part of their identity. A flag is a piece of cloth. Individuals attach their own meaning to it. What it means to one person isn't the same as what it means to others. With the confederate flag, some see it as a part of Southern identity, some see it as a sign of racism. The people who see the racism meaning want to define that meaning for everyone and ban it. Others who don't see it that way are understandably upset. Full disclosure: I'm in New England, never lived in the south and am definitely not pro-confederacy, pro-slavery, or pro-racism. But I am pro-freedom of expression though, and I see the drive to get rid of the flag as an assault on freedom of expression.
The difference in the first half of what you said is that the Confederate flag is the flag of a nation that no longer exists where as the American flag is of an existing nation. And as for the second part, no one is saying the flag can't be produced or even displayed, but people are angry because they are putting it in government buildings like court houses... Places where people have every right to expect justice to be served equally regardless of skin color or ethnicity. And it's not at all hard to see how someone would feel intimidated by such a display. And a private company like Apple has every right to not allow it where ever they own property.
Yes a flag is a piece of cloth. This particular flag (and its not the confederate flag rather the battle flag of the CSA) has zero business on offical government ground. Personal usage have fun, go wild. But a flag that represents strictly secession from the US on state property? The irony is over 9000. I cant think of any other instance today were a modern nation allows the flag of a failed rebellion to fly on offical property. Celebrate America by supporting a cause that hoped to end America? Come on now...
It may have started being about a flag on govt grounds, but look how quickly it spread beyond that. They banned the Dukes of Hazard on TV over it!! So what if it's a defunct flag or a rebellion flag? Freedom of speech also applies to speech you don't agree with.
"It's an identity thing." But they only started flying this fake Confederate flag in 1962 on state capitols in the middle of the Jim Crow Era. This is the identity of racism. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to use the flag but let's not act like this is the symbol of Southern Pride. And once again this isn't even the real flag and never was. "A flag is a piece of cloth. Individuals attach their own meaning to it. What it means to one person isn't the same as what it means to others." I've already said it shouldn't be banned but once again is this actually about an identity the identity of the flag is racism. "Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition." Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederate States of America." Now I'm not saying it should be banned. Never will stop free speech, but I don't like this mentality that this flag isn't inherently racist and it doesn't represent hate. It does.
'They' that you are referring to are private companies that can do whatever they want when it comes to distancing themselves from a symbol if they believe it hurts or tarnishes their brand. Right or wrong. They are exercising their freedom of speech in this regard. Furthermore you are conflating personal freedom of speech to a divisive symbol being used on state property. A good chunk of Americans dont want to see this symbol on grounds that are supposed to be free of any sort biases and welcoming to all. In the case of South Carolina state grounds they already have a state flag (a pretty cool one too), the US flag, and the third wheel of the bunch that is no longer.
Slavery was never exclusive to the South and some leaders didn't want Slavery in the Confederacy. It was as open as the Union was to changing it. The Constitution of the Confederacy states that it was up to the states to decide if they wanted slavery. Both Union States and Confederate states both supported slavery in the 1860s. Neither side killed it off until 1868 3 years after the war. None of that started until after 1863 in the middle of the Civil War, but Union troops were never paid equal until after 1864. Confederate troops of all colors were all paid equal. Confederate states started removing slavery before the Union states. People wave it because they don't like the government pretty much as most in the 1990s til now use it termed with Rebel flag more than anything else. In 1940s-1960s some racist groups picked up this flag. They also carried the US flag and the Bible and still do. Its not the flag that marks them as racists. Its ignorant to believe that. Its like saying holding a gun makes someone a murderer. Not always the case.
I live in NY state and see that flag around all the time.. Last time I see it was less then a week ago I was coming home from a beach and someone had it on their pickup truck.
"I don't even understand why people even use the flag.." Well because.. I live in Scotland, yet many people here still fly the scottish flag, even though Scotland is in a Union with England, and all the power is in Westminster -England, US. States still fly their flags within their own territory even though The US. Federal gov't is in charge. it's a "flag thing"...
I dont really gaf anymore (never asked it to be taken down) the whole issue (thanks to the media again) is dumb, boring, and I have better things to do..
Don't mess with the apple...
No, it's like a modern-day witch hunt
but there is a witch named racism not some perverse made us heritage argument.
So banning a flag will make racism go away? as gamers we are on the receiving end of plenty of these witch hunts, we should know better
The ignorant will damn us all... If you have actually studied the subject you would know the flag has Nothing to do with slavery, the Flag represented the Southern states that democratically choose to Secede from the Union, because they thought their interests were at risk, as they were being outnumbered by the amount of northern states thus would have more power in Congress. When the Civil war broke out 8 Union -Federal states still permitted Slavery, The War had nothing to do with the Morality of slavery, it was until 1872 i believe that Abraham Lincoln announced the emancipation proclamation - 2 years into the war, so that slavery was illegal. You may want to get yo self educated!
Halo. It was 1863 in the midst of the Civil war Lincoln did that. The Civil war was in 1860/1861-1865. About 4-5 years long. In 1862 The Confederate army hired black musicians for the Army. First to do so I believe. They also paid all Black soldiers equal pay to White soldiers $11 a month. Although alot of the entry to the Army based on who vouched for you then until 1863 if you were black I believe. After 1863 it was open to all to join on their own merit. The Union on the other hand if you were Black you were paid $7 a month for service. Technically it was $10, but they charged you $3 a month to wear the uniform until 1864 when they paid equal pay. Which was $13 a month. Were slaves paid in the Army? I don't know honestly. There were about 4.5 Million blacks in the US in 1860. All of Slavery was below the Mason-Dixon line. Which most assume is just Confederate states, but it is not just Confederate states. There were up to 8 Union states with Slavery that bordered the Southern states, but I believe only 5 supported slavery. The other population was estimated at 27 million or so. About 31-32 Million people in total. There were 260,000 free blacks in the South in 1860 more in the North as well. Some were slave owners themselves. New Orleans is the best example of this. One black plantation owner there owned 152 slaves earning more money on his large plantation than most with $264,000 average. While the average yearly wage was $3-4,000 dollars back then. Even without slavery after 1868 discrimination was everywhere as far north as Canada for a bit even then. A few provisions passed in the 1870s made life a little better. In the US around the 1860s there were only 385,000 slave holders in total. Population of blacks in total was 4.5 Million in 1860s with 27-28 million whites/other. Around 31-32 Million people in the US/CSA with only 385,000 slave holders. So somewhere around 1.4 percent of whites owned slaves overall. If you want to raise the number lets look at just slavery in CSA. Which puts the total of white slave owners in 1860s at about 5% There were also free blacks in the US since the 1650s that came over with indentured servant contracts that got free land and equipment when contracts ran out. So not all black people were slaves in the 1860s. Lincoln stopped Overseas slave trade in 1860 and The Confederate states also banned overseas slave trade in 1860/1861 when it was formed. In 1868 the last 4 Slavery states converted to free states. 2 were from the Union and 2 were from the South. These four were the most passionate about keeping slavery. I know Maryland, Mississippi,
halo gouy you may need to educate yourself further.
It's Apple's App Store they can do whatever the hell they like. With so many thousands upon thousands of apps flooding the store every week it's not feasible to hire enough staff to check every single app so they do the next best thing and set guidelines. If you break those guidelines then no app on the App Store. Guidelines can be changed and acted on retroactively and again it's apples store so they can do what they want. It's not like it's a government site, so the whole debate over censorship is moot. Is it censorship when a bar refuses to serve someone if they're too drunk?
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