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Was Apple's Guilty Until Proven Innocent Confederate Flag Reaction the Right Move?

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SlappingOysters844d ago

I hate the everyone drop on board mentality to modern day controversy. Apple was right to check the content, wrong to ban everything.

CoyoteHunter844d ago

Couldn't agree more. How stupid could you be to simply just ban everything? Context is key. What, are they going to just ignore the historical context in which the flag has been used? Because censoring history has always worked out so well in the past... Lazy, lazy stuff on Apple's part here, simply trying to jump on the social bandwagon to appease the masses.

xer0844d ago

I don't see what this has to do with gaming really.

The only connection to the subject matter, is the app store. This isn't really even gaming news.

Everyone knows what the confederate flag stands for. You'd have to be pretty retarded to justify it's relevance.

BlackPanther844d ago

Exactly. I hate that people say it is about history... If it really was about preserving history you would actually use the right flag lol.

dumahim844d ago

Some of the apps that were thoughtlessly banned were games.

Halo2ODST2844d ago

Some people consider Mobile Gaming as real, so it's is technically relevant.

"Everyone knows what the confederate flag stands for. You'd have to be pretty retarded to justify it's relevance." Also having studied the American Civil War in Advanced Higher History, while I'm not American, it's pretty clear the Confederate flag represents the Southern States that seceded the Union, Nothing to do with SLAVERY at all, considering up to 8 Union states that opted to stay within the Union still permitted slavery.

Macka1080844d ago

With any contentious issue like this, you can't expect there to be a quick and easy cure-all solution. Apple should have had more faith in its customers and taken a slower, more measured approach to cleaning house. Now it's just backtracking.

BlackPanther844d ago

I don't even understand why people even use the flag...

1. It isn't the real confederate flag and never was.

2. The flag is really only used in the south of America...Hmm I wonder why.

But total censorship is probably not the way to go still.

uth11844d ago (Edited 844d ago )

It's an identity thing. It would be like saying the US flag is offensive and should be banned because the US has done horrible things to the indians, or the Japanese, or supported slavery at one point. (and those things did happen) It would upset a lot of people because they don't attach those meanings at all to it, and they see it as part of their identity.

A flag is a piece of cloth. Individuals attach their own meaning to it. What it means to one person isn't the same as what it means to others.

With the confederate flag, some see it as a part of Southern identity, some see it as a sign of racism. The people who see the racism meaning want to define that meaning for everyone and ban it. Others who don't see it that way are understandably upset.

Full disclosure: I'm in New England, never lived in the south and am definitely not pro-confederacy, pro-slavery, or pro-racism. But I am pro-freedom of expression though, and I see the drive to get rid of the flag as an assault on freedom of expression.

Ashlen844d ago (Edited 844d ago )

The difference in the first half of what you said is that the Confederate flag is the flag of a nation that no longer exists where as the American flag is of an existing nation.

And as for the second part, no one is saying the flag can't be produced or even displayed, but people are angry because they are putting it in government buildings like court houses... Places where people have every right to expect justice to be served equally regardless of skin color or ethnicity. And it's not at all hard to see how someone would feel intimidated by such a display.

And a private company like Apple has every right to not allow it where ever they own property.

Stringerbell844d ago (Edited 844d ago )

Yes a flag is a piece of cloth. This particular flag (and its not the confederate flag rather the battle flag of the CSA) has zero business on offical government ground.

Personal usage have fun, go wild. But a flag that represents strictly secession from the US on state property? The irony is over 9000.

I cant think of any other instance today were a modern nation allows the flag of a failed rebellion to fly on offical property.

Celebrate America by supporting a cause that hoped to end America? Come on now...

uth11844d ago

It may have started being about a flag on govt grounds, but look how quickly it spread beyond that. They banned the Dukes of Hazard on TV over it!!

So what if it's a defunct flag or a rebellion flag? Freedom of speech also applies to speech you don't agree with.

BlackPanther844d ago

"It's an identity thing."

But they only started flying this fake Confederate flag in 1962 on state capitols in the middle of the Jim Crow Era. This is the identity of racism. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to use the flag but let's not act like this is the symbol of Southern Pride.

And once again this isn't even the real flag and never was.

"A flag is a piece of cloth. Individuals attach their own meaning to it. What it means to one person isn't the same as what it means to others."

I've already said it shouldn't be banned but once again is this actually about an identity the identity of the flag is racism.

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition." Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederate States of America."

Now I'm not saying it should be banned. Never will stop free speech, but I don't like this mentality that this flag isn't inherently racist and it doesn't represent hate. It does.

Stringerbell844d ago (Edited 844d ago )

'They' that you are referring to are private companies that can do whatever they want when it comes to distancing themselves from a symbol if they believe it hurts or tarnishes their brand. Right or wrong. They are exercising their freedom of speech in this regard.

Furthermore you are conflating personal freedom of speech to a divisive symbol being used on state property. A good chunk of Americans dont want to see this symbol on grounds that are supposed to be free of any sort biases and welcoming to all.

In the case of South Carolina state grounds they already have a state flag (a pretty cool one too), the US flag, and the third wheel of the bunch that is no longer.

DeadlyFire843d ago

Slavery was never exclusive to the South and some leaders didn't want Slavery in the Confederacy. It was as open as the Union was to changing it. The Constitution of the Confederacy states that it was up to the states to decide if they wanted slavery. Both Union States and Confederate states both supported slavery in the 1860s. Neither side killed it off until 1868 3 years after the war. None of that started until after 1863 in the middle of the Civil War, but Union troops were never paid equal until after 1864. Confederate troops of all colors were all paid equal. Confederate states started removing slavery before the Union states.

People wave it because they don't like the government pretty much as most in the 1990s til now use it termed with Rebel flag more than anything else. In 1940s-1960s some racist groups picked up this flag. They also carried the US flag and the Bible and still do. Its not the flag that marks them as racists. Its ignorant to believe that. Its like saying holding a gun makes someone a murderer. Not always the case.

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nowitzki2004844d ago

I live in NY state and see that flag around all the time.. Last time I see it was less then a week ago I was coming home from a beach and someone had it on their pickup truck.

Halo2ODST2844d ago

"I don't even understand why people even use the flag.." Well because.. I live in Scotland, yet many people here still fly the scottish flag, even though Scotland is in a Union with England, and all the power is in Westminster -England, US. States still fly their flags within their own territory even though The US. Federal gov't is in charge. it's a "flag thing"...

subtenko844d ago

I dont really gaf anymore (never asked it to be taken down) the whole issue (thanks to the media again) is dumb, boring, and I have better things to do..

lemoncake844d ago

Don't mess with the apple...

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