The PS4 reminds us of Sony’s greatest consoles of the past. It was around 1994/95 the original PlayStation took off and by 1997 there was no looking back. Sony came, saw and conquered like Alexander the Great.
all due respect to MS, Sony really pulled the trigger this time. it's all about realizing what's important to gamers and focusing on that and brilliant marketing too!
"Can We Finally Name the PS4 as the Undisputed Champion of This Generation?" That would be asking the fanboys to be rational, something they are just incapable of being.
Yup. You know when this will stop? When the ps5/xbox2 are out.
I do believe Sony did a great job with their launch and the message to gamers. However, the console race is long and both Sony and Microsoft have given us gamers valid reasons to buy. There is still time for Microsoft to make some moves , gain some ground with quality exclusives but I don't know if they can overtake Sony at this point . I have both consoles and enjoy each one. The bottom line is both are valuable options to gamers. But as far as the clear winner, no one is there yet. Sony though has posed a significant argument for the headline of this article.
Sony is winning the Sales war no doubt, but there is more to a Console than just sales, and i cant help but ask myself if all these Sony sales are more a result of opportunity than based on the actual merit of the Console alone is PS4 selling so well because its really that great of a console? or did Microsoft just really screw up their Console? just a question i ask myself is all
you just have to look at last gen to seriously understand how powerful brand Playstation is. las gen, PS3 was: - costlier - multiplats were not on par for the some games - came out one year later Still beat 360 at the end. This gen PS4 is: - cheaper or same price - better multiplat support - came out around the same time - evidently more powerful than 360 No wonder PS4 is selling so well. even Sony head doesn't know why it's selling so well. many of Playstation's exclusive games are yet to come. there's no end to what can happen.
Whoever wrote this article says that while the Xbox has better games, the PS4 is the undisputed champion... I wonder if the author knows what 'undisputed' means?
It's pretty likely the PS4 will have sold more by the end of the generation, but it's still early enough in the generation to mean that that is not an absolutely forgone conclusion.
WowSoChill did Microsoft just really screw up their Console? at the beginning of this gen yes they did screw up with DRM bs and the history of 360 RROD.
@GearsdoodooBruh "People should make their decision based on the console with the blockbuster exclusives that interest them the most" -- Why do you feel that you get to set the criteria for which other people make their decisions? I mean some people may use your criteria, but others might go by which brand traditionally caters to the genre/s of games they like. Others may put a higher emphasis on gaming with their best friend who already bought Console A. Other's may decide just on price. But I find it puzzling that you think your criteria should be the standard for everybody.
When it comes to sales? Yeah sure? When it comes to games? Hell no. Way too early to call and MS are putting up an excellent fight so far.
GearsdoodooBruh ' People should make their decision based on the console with the blockbuster exclusives that interest them the most,' Well maybe actually they do. I own a ps4 not only because I prefer the console but I also prefer Playstation exclusives and Im not the only one. @Septic 'When it comes to sales? Yeah sure? When it comes to games? Hell no' Well sales are just facts (not that Im that much interested in sales) and games are preferences and very subjective to give a winner unless your completely biased towards one or another. I personally prefer playstation games but I can understand people who buy an xb1 prefer xbox games, people who buy a WII U prefer WII U games. theres no truth as to which games are better, its all about personal opinions. So nobody should (and probably wont) name a 'winner' based on different games.
Wow. Somewhere in this world, Ken Kutaragi sits exalted with a pirate smile and a glimmer in his eye. I love the console wars. We are still lucky enough to be living in the halcyonic days of gaming - even to this day. Enjoy it while you're alive people. Enjoy it to the fullest.
No. No we can't. It's not even been 2 years yet. Anything can happen.
OB1Biker "People should make their decision based on the console with the blockbuster exclusives that interest them the most" False. People purchase a console based upon what their friends are playing. And most of those people are playing Destiny and Fifa on PS4.
Yes we can.
@WowSoChill That theory might work if we were looking at the first six months, a year, or even a year and a half later, but we are coming up on nearly two years now and the PS4 still consistently outsells xbox all over the world, there's a reason for that and its not just because of Microsoft's failure in the beginning.
@sinjonezp "There is still time for Microsoft to make some moves" Launch Xbox one $500 Remove Kinect $400 Promotion $350 Sold well permanent price $350 Halo MCC bundle $350 Assassins creed 4&unity bundle $350 They already had some moves that helped them out a bit, but I don't see them dropping the price again. It was their policies at the beginning that messed up the console.
Here I am sitting here looking at Nvidia vs AMD monthly sales etc. lol who cares
lol, who cares about AMD vs Nvidia sales, do you have stocks in them lol?
Exactly, PS4 is selling more than xbone for the same reason why Nvidia is crushing Amd, because quality and PS4 is more powerful and has more games
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All MS have left is quite literally NA. That's it, fact. They lost out on Japan, Europe in its entirety and lately even China which Xbox fanboys were hyping up for some weird reason, even going so far to say that PlayStation wouldn't sell because the Chinese hate the Japanese which is quite literally fanboy BS LOL. MS wished they had that year head start the 360 had last gen, they would turn back time for sure.
Yeah, the literal centuries of Chinese/Japanese distaste were made up by fanboys. The Chinese and Japanese DO hate each other. Maybe you're too young to remember 2005 when there were anti-Japan riots. Businesses and homes were vandalized for having any ties to Japan.
@ray_moondo Learn-to-context, in reference to your Chinese/japanese distaste comment. We're talking about consumer electronics here.
Yuppers: About China: http://m.scmp.com/tech/apps... And @Ray_moondo Sony has been in China, as a matter of fact its called "Sony China" not only investing into the Chinese infrastructure, but also building schools, and investing into more job building factories. As a matter of fact Sony has been working in China since the early 1970's..that is longer than Microsoft has even been a company in existence for Pete sake. Sony has been there quite a bit longer before Microsoft. So this whole animosity between both govt. Between China and Japan is between China and Japan the business sector is really not involved in that, and more importantly if there was such hatred there would have been no Sony presence in China all this time don't you think?
joe: There is a reason why consumers consistently pick an American car over a Japanese. Business is businessd, and consumers are now younger so some of them don't necessarily feel that animosity, but that is still there and alive today. The propaganda the Chinese is portraying in the media is not going to help Chinese people's view of the Japanese. Presence does not mean beloved.
@donthate Consider China's console options: Xbox One (American, from a questionable company that they already pirate OSes from) PS4 (Japanese, from a company who's origin just happens to be from a country that their govt' has hatred toward) There is also the WiiU, but I don't know if Nintendo made any movement on the Chinese market. After those, China only has their horrendous knock off consoles that are running MAME and come loaded with old arcade/Atari/NES/SNES/etc. games. What console do you think they'll choose? (note the sales data is already in and they have chosen)
In terms of games quality and variety Sony has won all generations they had.
But we arguably, ARGUABLY, haven't had a decent game this generation, let alone an exclusive worth shouting about. It's been almost 2 years, and it's a sea of HD remakes and multiplats (that are 99% of the time better on PC). Second Son was insanely small and short, Bloodborne is a re-skinned Dark Souls and a preview to Dark Souls 3's mechanics and graphics...what else...Driveclub maybe? It's been a frigging shoddy 2 years frankly, and my PS4 has gathering dust longer that it's been played. Destiny was the only game in 2 years on the PS4 that had me genuinely coming back and back daily since release, and then I stopped at the Crota expansion and haven't played since. Sony better pull their fingers out, or my PS4 is getting sold a few months after MGS comes out. The library is nothing to shout about, as the Xbox One officially has more games.
This bait. This is the bait of a god.
Actually a quick Google search will show you that the ps4 has more games. Also bloodborne is not a reskined dark souls.
This "journalist" wants to declare the winner before the race is over ? Don't children do that?
Numbers speak for themselves.
Yes, the only reason xbone is even getting any traction is bc of their "inluence" on certain media outlets. The PS4 puts xbone to shame.
Well considering that PS4 is getting most of the games this generations, I don't see how it couldn't be declared the winner
What? As a clear sony fanboy boast about sales all you want but don't say that ps4 is 'getting most of the games' because that's not true
So you are saying the PS4 does not have more games and is not getting more games? Remember that AAA games arent the only ones that exist.
^Still, PS4 has more games released and upcoming, AAA and indie alike. Just take a look at the schedule.
@Nx I'm not going top post a list or anything like that but Xbox has more AAA games releasing & scheduled
"I'm not going top post a list or anything like that but Xbox has more AAA games releasing & scheduled" Funny that, because if you were to post a list you'd see the lie you just posted.
"TheGreatGamer + 1h ago @Nx I'm not going top post a list or anything like that but Xbox has more AAA games releasing & scheduled" Should be changed to "I wish I could post a list" because PS4 has already had more games than the xbone will have the entire year, and the ps4 is still getting more before the end of the year. PS4 has sales win, the hardware win and the games win and has since launch, if you love the xbone so much just forget the PS4 rather than lie and pretend everything is different, its getting fu#king sad now.
lol what? it's clear as day PS4 has more games even if we're not including indie games in it. Why not post your list and see if I can't come up with more PS4 games than your list.
It has a great list if youre into japanese games, horror games or indie games. If youre into fps/tps, youre more or less at the mercy of third party.
Champion? Maybe Undisputed? Hardly. MS is putting up a good fight.
Agreed. Sony is killing it with the PS4, but Microsoft may be down, but it's getting back up and fighting. Makes this generation that much better to appreciate.
Didn't we see this last gen? Sony fanboy proud of the fight in M$
You can dispute games but you can't dispute numbers. The idea that Microsoft we give up just because its losing is also crazy. Xbox One is selling very well but that is not good enough to win against PS4. Selling very well and losing to competition are not mutually exclusive. Also it must be said that Microsoft helped Sony alot by being a good competitor. This motivated them to do what they had to to be the blockbuster PS4 is today.
Dude you nailed it, can't understand the disagrees. X1 has lost this gen. It will never close the gap, people fail to realize this doesn't mean it's a crap system and it's not going anywhere. The thing that hurts the X1 (on N4G for starters) are the insane claims and slander from Xbox fans towards the PS4. If they wouldn't say things like "Don't know why PS4 is selling it has no games", they might be taken seriously.
Did some declare that the Ps3 would never catch up to the X360 in their early years (in places that sell both consoles) ? Yes. Did the Ps3 make an awesome turn-around ? Yes. In conclusion, i think the Xbone can pull that off. But only time will tell.
@Nei- it's in no way the same situation. The 360 had a 1YEAR head start. You don't have to be a genius to know how it would have gone had they came out at the same time. 360 would have never gotten into the homes it did if it wasn't the only choice people had for a year. X1 will never match PS4. Sony would have to stop selling PS4's for X1 to have a chance. It's a solid system with a solid library, that's why it's besting Xbox.
@Letthewookiewin: A 500$ console vs a 600$ console ? And at the time most of X360's ver of 3rd party games ran better than the Ps3's because devs hadn't figured out the right way to make games run better with the cell architecture (especially Unreal 3). I really can't see the possibility of the ps3 taking the lead. Also, what is the flaw that make the Xbone not a solid system with a solid library then ? Its offline mode ? Its frequent updates that keep making it a better console ?
@Nei- I never said it wasn't. I don't put down other people's system of choice. The X1 is a solid system and its flaws are subjective. Same with PS4 but it's very well established that Sony has the best studios and have really diverse and creative games plus superior third party support and more power. It's not a conundrum that it is more popular than X1.
@neiT720 It's like explaining the size of Google to a Bing user. Bing users often times think Bing is as big as Google, but the reality is Bing is a fly circling a bulls ass. Google is the bull, if there was any confusion. The Xbox brand was tiny back in 2005. Had the PS3 launched around the same time, it would've never grown this big, Playstation would have just crushed it on the spot and 599 would not have mattered much. The PS3 sold better than the 360 ever since it launched, which is why it eventually caught up and overtook the 360, despite the enormous price difference, the recession and a year head start, think about that for a second. Sony pretty much singlehandedly killed off Sega and crippled Nintendo to the point where they aren't even trying to compete in the same market any more. The Playstation brand is still a behemoth, look at this gen, there isn't a single territory on the planet where the PS4 is not on top. Even in Xbox bastions of last gen the PS4 is king. As to declaring early winners. The PS3 sold more than the 360 almost every month since both launched. It failed to overtake the 360 in the UK and US which is why gaming sites from these territories would have you believe otherwise. But the PS3 is on top everywhere else and on top overall. Nobody predicted last gen to last as long as it did, which is why it was never this clear to tell back then. This gen, PS4 is killing it. Just imagine the mad rush to retail when a pricecut is finally announced. Even the PS2, which had no real competition at all, cut the price by 33% 1.5 years in.
I'm playing my Xbox One and now my PC more than I am my PS4. The only ones that think Sony is winning are the hardcore PS4 fans that see nothing more than sales as the metric to define what winning is. Microsoft is doing much more for gamers today than Sony is. If you are in the minority, you are getting much more. What was just announced today, people that are buying the Gears remaster and play before December 31st also get a free copy of Gears, Gears 2, Gears 3 and Judgement? That's pretty nice if you are new to the console and still nice to have the digital copies if you are a 360 owner. With Microsoft having the same store front for Xbox, Windows10 and Hololens, running Xbox 360 games on PC looks to be coming. Not to mention universal apps and cross platform gaming. While Sony is fighting for console dominance, Microsoft is evolving past console gaming only and moving into the future. The two companies are fighting completely different fights today.
"MS putting up a good fight" So ps4 selling reach 26M units and the xbox one has 13M units.is this a good fight? If this is a "good fight" i dont know what is your definition for losing or wining
Lol what? If you're looking purely at sales figures then yes your right. All I know is Microsoft is releasing awesome games, feature enriching it's console and providing more ways to game to its consumers. Oh wait I guess your right, that's giving up isn't it?
I didnt say MS is giving up.but a good fight? really? "All I know is Microsoft is releasing awesome games, feature enriching it's console and providing more ways to game to its consumers". So basically like what Sony is doing just not good enough? You sounds like sony just selling consoles and dont take care of gamers,this is the way of MS,when they decided to take the Box to other ways
Considering the comeback that Sony did with the Ps3 I could say everything is possible. It's doesn't really matter if you are the top seller, it's important that you keep your system relevant and challenge the competition with every mistake they make. I really hope they can keep up with Ps4 sales as it would keep even Sony on their toes and maybe bring us some healthy competition in form of high quality games and services.
Yeah, if you are a small developer today you can target 25 million PS4's or you can target the Xbox One and Windows 10 gamers. We have yet to see the benefits of AAA developing on PC and Xbox One, but indies have a much larger Windows 10 audience on PC and console. What was it, 14 million Windows 10 downloads on day one?
Ken Kutaragi revolutionized console creation with the PlayStation but Mark Cerny perfected it with the PS4 staying true to the principles that made the original a breakthrough success.
Pretty much. A legendary(check his previous positions) old school game dev designing a games console FOR developers, to be used BY gamers. All the ingredients were relevant and present. It seems to be paying back in spades and the odd dump truck. It was a sure thing the moment it wasn't a PS3 2.0
@pyramidshead: b1naryB0SS: Developers that find PS4’s PC-like architecture most appealing are those that prefer the traditional PC development environment and think that X86, DirectX and OpenGL are the end all be all. PS4 caters to them well, but that is only one aspect of development. One that’s “easy to learn” and doesn’t make full use of the hardware but allows devs to give their PC ports a decent showing on the console. The second aspect of PS4 development, which is “difficult to learn and master”, centers around Ken Kutaragi’s PS3, which contrary to popular belief, makes PS4 “PS3 2.0”: 9/16/2013 - Mark Cerny: http://www.neogaf.com/forum... We very intentionally put in a lot of features for developers to use in the years of the console lifetime. The launch titles are not likely to use them – they’re likely to use the hardware in a straightforward way. Then, over time, SPUs not used much by launch titles get progressively [integrated], to the point where something like The Last Of Us saturates them. You’ll see the same kind of adoption of more sophisticated techniques during PS4’s life cycle. 10/16/2013 - Mark Cerny: http://www.gamestm.co.uk/di... ... Our strategy was the Nolan Bushnell quote – easy to learn, difficult to master. So the idea was very familiar and accessible architecture for year one but then a very rich feature-set that the programmers can learn and explore for year three or year four. What we’re seeing now is the benefit of that accessible architecture. We have games that are coming over to the platform that otherwise would have stayed on PC, … Now the flipside of that coin is that you must then have something for programmers to dig into in the later years of the console because you need the console to grow along with the evolution of games. And that’s where all of the customization we did to the GPU, for the sake of asynchronous fine-grade compute comes in.
Continue... b1naryB0SS: PS4’s longevity resides in its GPU, and it is in the GPU where Mark and his team implemented a number of customizations in order to replicate CELL’s SPU Runtime System (SPURS) as a means of achieving SPU asynchronous computing using PS4's ACEs and CUs: * PS3 - 3/2007 - Mark Cerny: http://www.jonolick.com/upl... Slide 107: SPUs are asynchronous, so they can finish in any order! * PS4 - 6/2012 - Page 12- AMD: http://www.amd.com/Document... … The Asynchronous Compute Engines (ACE) are responsible for managing compute shaders… Tasks complete out-of-order… 4/24/2013 - Mark Cerny: http://www.gamasutra.com/vi... … For PS4, we’ve worked with AMD to increase the limit to 64 sources of compute commands -- the idea is if you have some asynchronous compute you want to perform, you put commands in one of these 64 queues… This concept grew out of the software Sony created, called SPURS, to help programmers juggle tasks on the CELL's SPUs… 3/30/2013 - Part 1 - Mark Cerny: http://www.neogaf.com/forum... The GPGPU for us is a feature that is of utmost importance… We’re trying to replicate the SPU Runtime System (SPURS) of the PS3… 11/14/2013 - Shuhei Yoshida: http://www.gamesindustry.bi... There are a lot of hidden powers in our system. You may be familiar with GPGPU and PS4 has a lot more GPGPU processing in it, which is difficult to learn and master, similar to a Cell processor. b1naryB0SS: During the previous generation, devs ducked and dodged the heterogeneous processing future that CELL represented; but to paraphrase Insomniacs’engine director Mike Acton, of Ratchet & Clank and Sunset Overdrive fame, there is no place to run and hide now. So they better get with the program…ming: 4/21/2008 - Mike Acton: http://www.develop-online.n... There's still a lot of people saying that developing for the PS3 is a nightmare - as a studio that's currently working only on the platform, do you believe that to be true? What I've always said is that bad code, and bad data design in particular, is bad on any architecture, but it's particularly bad on the PS3 because the Cell is a much more modern, much more heterogeneous design. It's much more parallel, and so requires good data design and good code. Do you think that getting used to this heterogeneous processing model is just a learning step, something that developers will just have to overcome? Yeah, multi-core isn't tomorrow's tech - it's here now. You can kind of get away with it on other contemporary platforms, but next-gen, and the gen after that - there's no option. These are skills and lessons that you have to learn in order to survive in this industry… People didn't survive, and they bitched, but you have to do it because the world changes. 4/15/2013 - Dominic Mallinson: https://www.youtube.com/wat... @~8:36 - … CELL was the precursor to today’s APUs, very much a heterogeneous architecture.
@miyamoto: Your comment is a contradiction. If Ken Kutaragi revolutionized console creation with the original PlayStation, based on "principles" that made the original PlayStation a breakthrough success, that would mean those principles had already been "perfected". How does Mark Cerny and the creation of PS4 perfect what had already been perfected?
Kutaragi's approach was very different to the traditional approach of Sega and Nintendo back in the day. His vision was not just a videobgame console but an all around digital multimedia entertainment platform. But the PS2 and PS3 were hard to develop for. Mark Cerny just build upon Kutaragi's creations but made just one major change- he made sure the PS4 is easy to develop for.thus making the PS4 both powerful and perfect. As far as software is concerned the PS4 has remained true to principles on how PlayStation handle software from itd partners.
@miyamoto: b1naryB0SS: We are clear on what Ken Kutaragi’s vision was for PlayStation...and continues to be: 6/29/2011- SCEI: http://www.scei.co.jp/corpo... …It was also announced that as of June 28, Ken Kutaragi has retired from his role as Honorary Chairman of SCEI.* *Kutaragi will continue in his role as senior technology adviser of Sony Corporation. 7/11/2014 - Andrew House: https://www.youtube.com/wat... @~58:09 - I actually remain in pretty close touch with Ken. He was in the office on Monday. I wanted to show him some stuff. @~58:26 - He offered advice and perspective prior to the launch event… @~58:51 - He is really pleased about the way that PlayStation 4 has shaped up. I think he feels that it’s in keeping with his original vision for the organization; we get some tremendous support from him. b1naryB0SS: Although the original PS was not as difficult to develop for as PS2 and PS3, it still had a quirky complexity. A dev, Cory Bloyd of MunkyFun, lamented his frustration with the quirkiness of the original PS in a post on Reddit: 7/31/2012 – Cory Bloyd: http://www.reddit.com/r/gam... PlayStation 1: Everything is simple and straightforward. With a few years of dedication, one person could understand the entire PS1 down to the bit level. Compared to what you could do on PCs of the time, it was amazing. But, every step of the way you said "Really? I gotta do it that way? God damn. OK, I guess... Give me a couple weeks." There was effectively no debugger. You launched your build and watched what happened.
Continue... b1naryB0SS: PS4 is not as easy to develop for as you think it is. There are two aspects to PS4 software development. The 1st aspect, which is “easy to learn”, benefits those devs that prefer the PC development environment and simply want to port their existing PC code over to PS4. The 2nd aspect, which is “difficult to learn and master”, is not for the faint of heart and will most likely provoke swearing; just like Cory with the original PS. Mark has masterfully sold the “easy to learn” aspect of PS4, but that will not be the case in the coming years as games evolve and require GPU compute. The principles that made PS4 both "powerful and perfect" were established with Ken’s original PS: 10/16/2013 - Mark Cerny: http://www.gamestm.co.uk/di... Our strategy was the Nolan Bushnell quote – easy to learn, difficult to master. So the idea was very familiar and accessible architecture for year one but then a very rich feature-set that the programmers can learn and explore for year three or year four. What we’re seeing now is the benefit of that accessible architecture. We have games that are coming over to the platform that otherwise would have stayed on PC, … Now the flipside of that coin is that you must then have something for programmers to dig into in the later years of the console because you need the console to grow along with the evolution of games. And that’s where all of the customization we did to the GPU, for the sake of asynchronous fine-grade compute comes in. 3/30/2013 - Part 1 - Mark Cerny: http://www.neogaf.com/forum... The GPGPU for us is a feature that is of utmost importance… We’re trying to replicate the SPU Runtime System (SPURS) of the PS3… 11/14/2013 - Shuhei Yoshida: http://www.gamesindustry.bi... There are a lot of hidden powers in our system. You may be familiar with GPGPU and PS4 has a lot more GPGPU processing in it, which is difficult to learn and master, similar to a Cell processor.