Xbox One Extra CPU Core Will Allow Smoother Frame Rates: Technomancer Dev

Spiders CEO Jehanne Rousseau talks the potential of the Xbox One's 7th core.

[Sureshot]

You can keep your "7th core potential". Too many great games on horizon for me to care!

[bf000777966]

There is nothing to brag about the seventh core and the extra 100MHz as both have exactly the same CPU.

[Ezz2013]

And this news is very old
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Gamingbolt strike again with another pointless article

[PistolsAtDawn]

...except that it appears that due to a smaller more encased console, with less fans, and a powerbrick inside....PS4 is restricted by heat limitations which is why they haven't up-clocked their CPU...and won't (unless you prefer to believe Sony just wants to stick it to their fans for the hell of it)...X1 doesn't have those problems. So, maybe the starting point for the CPUs was roughly the say, but the performance the grant isn't.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

They don't have the exact same CPU, the CPUs both belong to the Jaguar series. If they had the exact same cpu wouldn't the faster variant be better ?

[fr0sty]

Talk about the 384 extra gpu cores (1152 vs. 768) ps4 has, and it's a "negligable difference", talk about one extra cpu core on XO, it rockets to the top of n4g.

[rainslacker]

@Pistols

Heat has nothing to do with the difference in speed. 100 MHZ difference is going to be a negligible difference, and a core not being used is still going to produce heat.

They're essentially the same CPU at the core. Dunno about what was modified, but that doesn't matter much when determining clock speed, since those modifications aren't core modifications. If you change the core...then it's a different series of chip...simple as that.

Clock speeds of the cores are determined by two factors. The system bus speed, and the CPU multiplier speed. In the case of MS increase before launch, they changed the multiplier within the CPU to gain a faster core speed.

Alternatively, although not the case here, it's also possible to change the bus speed, and retain the same internal clock on the CPU which will effectively make the CPU faster since it's using it's own internal multiplier, but that gets tricky with memory timing.

All of this is the same principal that over-clockers use on PC. On PC though, some motherboards allow for these modifications, and sometimes they bring unwanted result.

However, for an official clock increase such as this, the actual chips would have to be rated to be able to perform at such speeds...just like within the same family of chips from any CPU vendor, they can have multiple clock speeds available to the consumer. Go look for an i5 CPU. For the most part, outside some changes to other things(which would be denoted by marketing speak) the only real difference between them in the same family is the approved internal clock multiplier at which the chip has been rated to run at without causing faults. It's possible these chips can run faster, but the results aren't certified by the vendor.

Both CPU's have the same number of cores(8 to be exact). Before launch, one(or two...can't remember) cores were locked out from ever being used, while one was reserved for the OS on both the PS4 and the X1. The reason they were forever locked away from being allowed to be used is that it allowed increase production yield, where if one chip came off the production line, and had a faulty core, the chip could still be used. It's the same principal on how hard drives will identify bad sectors, and prevent them from being used. In the case of MS, they changed the locking out of this core, so now the previously locked core could now be used. This would result in a lower yield at the production level, but MS felt it was worth it, and I can't really say that having extra power to work with is a bad thing.

Otherwise, the CPU's are exactly the same class of CPU/APU. Modifications would have been made on the internal bus and co-processors of the chip, not the cores themselves.

Anyhow, assuming that they aren't the same CPU at the core, and are simply part of the same series(say comparing an i5 to an i7) then logic would dictate, that given the similar costs of the system, in order for MS to achieve a higher yield, with a higher speed rating, they would actually be using the lower end version of said chip series. I don't know which one tests better, or if it's even possible to test with appropriate benchmarks since there are going to be other factors that will alter the results within a console system. Lower end usually denotes less efficient, which itself will produce more heat than a mere 100MHZ increase in speed.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Yep it's funny how nobody mentions the extra 1gb of GDDR5 (flexible memory) that the PS4 has yet to really utilize, Second Son didn't touch any of it yet was a breathtaking technical display.

Also, the PS4 has 8gb of GDDR5 but it has an extra 2gb of ddr3 as well, this is why the PS4 has a better "play while your game DL/installs" feature, 3x the dvr recording, photomodes, a more efficient rest mode ect. The 2gb of ddr3 may be the reason there is an extra 1gb of GDDR5 flexible memory, it can likely handle some of the OS freeing up that 1gb for potential game use. The PS4 has a lot left, especially when they optimize and make efficient use of all that ram.

This xbone "news" is old news tbh, we heard this so long ago, devs have had access to this "secret sauce" for a while.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Yall stop comparing shader cores to processing cores, makes you look very uneducated on hardware lol

[GameForever]

@PistolsAtDawn

Sony sticking to PS4 users by having the best version of most third party games, granted not by a huge amount but they are better.

[dantesparda]

"Xbox One Extra CPU Core Will Allow Smoother Frame Rates: Technomancer Dev"

Ok,then I want to start seeing X1 games run smoother than their PS4 counterpart because other than "some" games here and there. The PS4 version practically always runs smoother despite it supposedly having the slower CPU (according to fanboys only, off course) and higher res.

Why is PCars a game that is very CPU dependent run at a much lower framerate than the PS4 ver. I mean you got the extra 150mhz, the up to 50-80% use of the seventh core, the supposed lower latency of the DDR3 and the extra CPU bandwidth and it still cant outperform the PS4 in CPU duties? Pathetic!

So less talk and more action. I wanna see X1 games consistently win the CPU performance battles. Cuz til now, it aint happening.

[IrishSt0ner]

"Also, the PS4 has 8gb of GDDR5 but it has an extra 2gb of ddr3 as well ... The 2gb of ddr3 may be the reason there is an extra 1gb of GDDR5 flexible memory,"

HAHA this comment is absolutely hilarious, you must not be aware GigaBITS (Gb) and GigaBYTES (GB) are two different things. 2Gb of DDR3 = 256MB of DDR3, not 2000MB like you think... There are 8 bits in a byte. LMAO!!!

[GordonKnight]

@Sureshot

If you only have a PS4 I feel sorry for you.

The power of three consoles.

[metalmatters]

I see what you did there

[Volkama]

I only clicked to confirm my suspicion that this was another Gamingbolt special. The title had that distinctive "innocent dev got put on the spot with a stupid question" aroma they're known for.

[gfk342]

This is not news in the first place, but just click bait and ammunition for console war.

MS released the 7th Cpu core (more precisely 50% of it) from last year.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

So all the games from this year used the 7th core ( http://wccftech.com/project... but in practice doesn't give a real benefit.

[LexHazard79]

I dont think all the games used the 7th core. The only one i can think of is Project Cars.

[nitus10]

Basically the article says nothing, well at least nothing an IT Engineer can fathom. Both the XB1 and the PS4 have 8 cores so what's this pseudo magical seventh core in the XB1?

I can understand locking out a CPU for specific purposes such as Kinect but really why do even that when you can assign priority and even CPU access to processes.

Professional Operating Systems have had scheduling, priorities and CPU control since the 1960's and since MS Windows is actually based on VMS (Developed by Digital Equipment Corp in 1975) which supports scheduling there is no valid reason why MS Windows does not do that.

Basically the article is click bait.

[zidane1341]

LOL you obviously know a lot about game development...too bad that core that you speak of every game using, really isn't considering they had to change code to use it. And how many developers this year confirmed that they are using this extra core? hint: not all of them.

[PistolsAtDawn]

So in the article you posted:

"Since October, Microsoft has allowed developers access to 50 to 80 per cent of a seventh processing core - which may partly explain why a small amount of multi-platform titles released during Q4 2014 may have possessed performance advantages over their PS4 counterparts in certain scenarios."

How did you get "precisely 50%" and "So all games this year used the 7th core"?

So if the Dev kits allowing this to happen started getting released in October...how many devs you do you anticipate went back and completely rebuilt their game from the ground up in order to take full advantage of the 7th core? I'm not saying they all avoided it or anything...but that far into development, they probably used it more like a bandaid. Not to mention...not that DX12 will be god's gift to the world or anything, but allowing the 7th core will become more meaningful when games are built from the ground up for DX12....so the jury isn't completely out just yet....except for you I guess based on how you carefully crafted your comment.

[gfk342]

@PistolsAtDawn

Since you are such a big fan of the X1 and defend it so much, I give you the article from Digital Foundry with the performance analysis of Project Cars AFTER the release of the patch (using the 7th core of X1).

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

In order to be clear I extracted a paragraph from the article:

"Comparing PS4 and Xbox One still puts Sony's platform ahead though. Even with upgrades to both platforms, THE MARGIN IS STILL AS WIDE AS 12fps in favour of PS4 at points, and rarely does the twain meet in terms of the frame-rate read-outs between the two."

[starchild]

@ gfk342

That depends on whether a game is graphics-bound or CPU-bound at a given target framerate. Project Cars was likely graphics-bound.

[rainslacker]

I didn't even need to click. I come to these articles for the comments and the pleasure of shooting down flawed logic in said comments from people that think they understand how any of this technology works.

I get disagrees, but I rarely get anyone that can actually tell me why I'm wrong. Wish I'd get more people telling me why I'm wrong...with actual facts to back it up. Those tend to be the best conversations I have on here.:)

@SirJoJo

what other metric should we use to test whether there is a substantial difference from the extra core? DF puts up their methods and their results for scrutiny, and they can often be scrutinized, but in the case of Project Cars, the patch did indeed use the extra core...so it makes sense to compare the difference between having it, and not having it.

I mean...should we just take every developers word for what they say? Seems people only do that when the argument suits what they want to already believe...so a bit of supposedly unbiased analysis is welcome to really make a determination. It may not show a result across the board, because we have no idea what PC actually implemented with that core, but it does show that just having the extra core being used won't necessarily make the game better.

[rainslacker]

It would be ridiculous if they were selling an 8 core CPU and it only had 7 working cores.

Anyhow, I addressed it further down, but I actually did confuse the CPU cores with the compute units which are disabled at manufacturing. It's used to produce yields for manufacturing...particularly early on. Locking out a core means it's not accessible to the user(programmer), not that the whole CPU doesn't work.

The PS3 did this as well, and I believe they could ship with two, non-working SPE's. Video cards do this frequently, and it can be much more than one bad core or compute unit. 2 compute units are disabled in the PS4's GPU to make 18 available, yet the chip specification states that the total at manufacture is 20. X1 does something similar, however I'm not sure what the the numbers are.

The CPU portion of the chips is using all 8 cores as far as I could find, however, in the PS4, 2 have been reserved for OS use and future enhancement, and in the X1, 1 is now reserved for OS functions, but the 7th core being mentioned here is the one that was originally reserved for Kinect. basically, from my understanding, the 7th core is now been freed up some to be made available to developers. Again, this was a mistake on my part due to long days and lack of sleep this past week.

Quite a few dual core CPU's for general purpose computing were made as quad-core CPU's, yet when a core was bad, they couldn't sell it. Instead of discarding expensive materials, they simply changed it to something else. These were typically the lower end dual, or tri cores, as the quad cores clock speeds were lower than dual cores at the time due to efficiency increases.

Anyhow, there is absolutely no problem with disabling a core on a CPU or any processor when it comes to if it will work or not. if they left it active, and it tried to use the core, then it would cause problems, but all that has to be done, is that the internal controller has to be set to only allow working cores to to be addressed by the controller, and by extension, the OS/program.

Ultimately, whether a core can be disabled without problem or not depends on it's operating environment. A PC for instance will only use whatever cores are available to it, and will never try to address a core which it can not see. A console, can easily do the same thing, as shown by the PS3's setup. Many mobile phone/tablet processors do this as well to increase yield, which ultimately results in profits. For something that is a closed system, that relies on software that uses all the cores of a specific specification, then they could not just disable cores.

[rainslacker]

I wasn't implying there was deception. Just that it's not so ridiculous that hardware makers would lock out cores, or CU's, or whatever to increase yields.

As far as if it's a bad thing or not...I don't really think it is. I mean, if it performs like it should given the specs it's sold under, then I don't really see the problem. Overall it keeps costs down, and allows companies to profit. Kind of a win-win for everyone.

[sammarshall102]

Any software improvements are welcomed. Microsoft has some very smart programmers

[Nosred]

I agree, if anyone can utilize the Xbox softawre potential and this MS.A good example is the muti console task and the BC.

[MasterCornholio]

I know its a software improvement. But the reason why the framerates can improve is because developers can access more of the systems hardware.

That's why I believe the performance can improve.

@Cindy

What a harsh comment.

:I

But to put it in a more civil way people like Me.X will take advantage of this news. They always do.

Now while I believe that having access to a 7th core will improve performance I also believe that it won't be a massive improvement.

Just my opinion.

[gfk342]

You are right. The 7th core cpu was used for Project Cars, but we all know that even with it X1 version was lacking behind PS4 in both visual (X1 was only 900p) and performance (10-12 fps less than Ps4 according to Digital Foundry.

http://wccftech.com/project...

[AndrewLB]

@gfk342

Ahh... look at the peasants squabble over a few FPS and some extra pixels
And PC makes your PS4 look like last gen. Ahh... nothing like gaming at 1200p\60fps in just about everything while having higher resolution textures, far better shadow filtering, and 24bit/192 glorious audio.

Just so you know, I wouldn't have rubbed it in had you refrained from crapping in another Xbone topic. Nobody was talking about PS4 until you fanboys showed up. You all must be bored due to the lack of decent games. Ahh.. such is the life of a peasant.

[MasterCornholio]

@AndresLB

I didn't even mention PS4 so might as well remove the plural from your comment.

"You all must be bored due to the lack of decent games. Ahh.. such is the life of a peasant."

In the end the ones who really have nothing better to do say that. You just never want to admit it.

At least I'm capable of saying that all three systems have games worth playing on them. Just recently we had Arkham Knight and shortly after we will get Until Dawn. I don't see why gamers would be bored at all unless they choose to not play the games available on the market.

Like you said peasents refuse to have fun in an amusement park.

[LexHazard79]

@andrew, you alright Buddy? Master didnt even mention PS4. He went as far as saying that the 7th core will help, just dont expect a big boost.

[MasterCornholio]

@Bakpain

Yeah that's exactly what I said. By big boost I mean that if a game runs in 900P 60FPS it isn't going to be boosted to 1080P 60FPS.

If you had a game with minor FPS dips (1-2 FPS) than maybe this update will improve the performance enough to lock the framerate which isn't bad at all.

[PistolsAtDawn]

@gfk342 From the article you posted "Tech Analysts ‘Digital Foundry’ recently published their Project CARS findings online. But, unfortunately those findings came from an early build of Project CARS and were taken down as the build wasn’t supposed to be used for tech analysis."

The bit you put about 10-12 fps on PS4 is incorrect...that quote was based on the Early build before the 7th core. Now Project Cars on X1 has a the better FPS.

[dantesparda]

"The bit you put about 10-12 fps on PS4 is incorrect...that quote was based on the Early build before the 7th core. Now Project Cars on X1 has a the better FPS. "

No, it doesn't, but I see you are really either misinformed, blissfully ignorant or just a dumb fanboy or a liar. The 7th core has been used since v1.04 and the PS4 STILL has a 12fps advantage. And that's the fact, now show me where the X1 has the better framerate?

"Comparing PS4 and Xbox One still puts Sony's platform ahead though. Even with upgrades to both platforms, the margin is still as wide as 12fps in favour of PS4 at points, and rarely does the twain meet in terms of the frame-rate read-outs between the two. If the PC version isn't an option for those eager to try Project Cars ambitious racing sim, PS4 remains the best performer in the console space. "

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[Nosred]

Very good and knows it, but the console runs very well any adicinal games are welcome.

[Captain_Wormy]

Lol. I'm not even gonna bother with this one. 100% agree with Cindy-rella's comment.

[PistolsAtDawn]

...so you and Cindy figured that rather than wait until someone in the future might say that this would be a good thing....you'll just start trolling now????

Stupid gamers getting excited about things like an extra core and DX12 allowing for games to get better...tsk tsk. /s

Do you prefer that gaming companies do NOT improve on their goods?

[Khlydo]

GAMINGBOLT xD

[Letthewookiewin]

A dev with a game that isn't pushing the system to its limits in the first place, is saying something got unlocked and now is creating incredible power, but he's not using the incredible power.... You heard it hear first folks.

[Khronikos]

OMG this is getting tiring. The Xbox One is an okay system with dirt tier graphics card and RAM. JUST DEAL WITH IT.

[thexmanone]

My laptop is better then both consoles. They both are weak not just the Xbox One. Just saying.

The 7th core will help.

[Khronikos]

I'd like to see your laptop get even close to a custom API or AKA Uncharted 4 level graphics lol.

I have a beast PC and cannot be bothered with these discussions they don't make any sense.

[OldDude]

And the Ps4 is okay too with its even slower CPU, 5400 rpm hard drive, laptop GPU and CPU, high latency ram, lack of a multitasking OS and....

See what I did there? The door swings both ways, neither system is a powerhouse or you would be seeing 1080p/60 standard. Enjoy them for what they are, a good value and both offer a lot of fun.

[Shineon]

Thanks for telling the truth this is the first console gen that wasn't impressive to me, the reason I went PC

[Khronikos]

It isn't a laptop GPU. You clearly don't understand RAM. The OS is fantastic. The CPU is barely if at all slower when you add in the special buses and pathways it utilizes.

The door does not swing both ways. I have a beast PC that puts the consoles to shame. And I'd never touch an Xbox One with a ten foot pole. The thing is hot garbage. Sorry, I don't play games at 900p anymore much less 30FPS unless they are Sony exclusives that push the envelope.

[OldDude]

Congratulations on your beast PC, I have several throughout my house and play all my multiplats on them. Clearly you have idea how memory works if you think graphics ram is good for CPU intense games. Also if you are defending PS4's power and gaming at 1080p/30 then you don't have much of a beast PC in the first place, or at all. So quick, make up some specs of your mythical PC fo me and go back to pretending you know anything about hardware as your post proves you are completely ignorant

[slappy508]

Really looking forward to technomancer, besides being a cyberpunk game I had fun on Bound by flame, the game just had bad acting and scripting, so I'll be intersted to see how this turns out

[Artemidorus]

Xbox pulling out the big guns for 2015 Christmas.

I'm still very happy with my Playstation. Only so much Halo, Gears and Forza you can play before you want something else.

[FlexLuger]

"Only so much Halo, Gears and Forza you can play before you want something else."

Wait? you're telling me Ori and SSOD are sequels to gears/halo/forza? are you saying Crackdown, scalebound, recore, phantom dust, inside, below and cuphead are yet more shooters and racers? You PS fanboys have a serious case of seeing only what you want to see. Its like you guys deliberately pretend no other games exist on xbox. such a weird state of denial.

FYI, neverwinter, smite, fable, gigantic and screamride are not gears/forza/halo. Honest. If you actually just took a look at/played them you would see that. Its luaghable that people still use this "its only got gears/halo/forza" BS, when thats a flat out lie...where have you guys been the last two E3s?

[Artemidorus]

No I'm telling you I don't want to play Halo, Gears, Forza yet again. They are out in the coming months no mention of much else.

Screamride is almost laughable so please stop bringing garbage like that it's not a big AAA.

Only thing to get excited for is the Windows 10 DX12 update.

[FlexLuger]

"No I'm telling you I don't want to play Halo, Gears, Forza yet again. They are out in the coming months"

Fair enough. each to there own. Its a bit like me with the PS4. The only game Ill probably be buying for mine this fall is tearway and a few indies. I guess its the same for you on PS4 unless you like the odd JRPG, persona and remakes of games you already played on PS3.

"no mention of much else. "

Gigantic, elite, the long dark, fable legends ( Or maybe you just hate any game that has MS studios on it)... cuphead is a fall 2015 game. Not trying to argue with you, here. I just thing you are either choosing to ignore facts or not really paying attention..if its the latter then your comments are just pointless. Besides. You may not like gears, halo or forza, but millions do, and will be buying X1s for these games this fall, in addition to all those non, forza, gear, halo games.

"Screamride is almost laughable so please stop bringing garbage like that it's not a big AAA."

Its laughable that you would say this yet probably give PSfanboys a pass for bringing up mediocre games like the order, DC, and infamous. aaight.....

One more thing..."its not AA" so it dont count? its funny hearing this from a PS fan. games, like flower and tearaway are what made people think sony was this company that was big on artsy stuff. they won awards..and here you are...a PS fan...discrediting a game, that you have not played because its not AAA. It dont have to be. Its good cheap fun. can I call smaller PS games that I have not played garbage too, or is that just reserved for you?

[sammarshall102]

The best games one could buy

[Live_Larry]

Article on xbox hardware...Good place to share your satisfaction with your playstation and your lack of interest in xbox exclusives. Thank you for sharing, really constructive stuff.

[THC CELL]

Software updates are welcome but also ps4 has stronger hardware and updates pending. Let naughty dog do the talking 😄

[FoxyGotGame]

If that 7th Core helps, then surely it can't be a bad thing. Not sure why Sony/PS4 keeps popping up in a Xbox One article. Likewise MS/Xbox One gets mentioned a lot in PS4 articles too, mostly for no other reason than to Troll.

That 'Fanboy Insecurity' on both sides /

[FlexLuger]

Maybe it keeps popping up because playstation fans keep mentioning it in an Xbox article...I dunno. Look at the people who are mentioning the PS4 in here and look a their comment history...they are not xbox gamers, thats for sure. I think the closed zones need to come back on N4G to be honest. I dont need to see kingthrash and cindy-rella trolling yet another Xbox article...so please stop acting like its X1 gamers mentioning the PS4. Read the comments in this thread. Says it all, really.

"Likewise MS/Xbox One gets mentioned a lot in PS4 articles too, mostly for no other reason than to Troll."

again...you wont see any Xbox gamers in a ps thread. Everything they say will be greeted with 100 disagrees and a probably a loss of a bubbles. Its not worth the trouble to an xbox gamers on N4G.

[paranoid1971]

Or maybe people are mentioning the PS4 because the story has a PS4 tag.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

I personally try very hard to not to speak negatively about Xbox or its games (not saying I'm perfect at it either). I obviously prefer PlayStation while others prefer Xbox. However, to say there are no Xbox trolls in PlayStation articles makes you either blind or a liar. I can only help you with one of those, if you're blind just go through some PlayStation articles behold the numerous Xbox trolls that belittle everything PlayStation.

OT the 7th core does not concern me in the slightest and i'm not worried/threatened by any benefits X1 may or may not get from it.

P.S. I removed all Xbox and Nintendo tabs from my N4G page (i own Wii and wii u). This article has a PS4 tag because it apears on my PS4 page. Be angry at the submitter for tagging it in a way to fuel the "console war."

[FoxyGotGame]

@FlexLuger

"...so please stop acting like its X1 gamers mentioning the PS4".

First of all I was being Emphatic, and not one time made out it was X1 (or PS4) Gamer's, since a real 'Gamer' enjoys 'Games'. I was referring to 'FANBOYS' ... interesting it was you who answered the call. If you expect to get on in life, you really need to learn to comprehend what you read, it really couldn't be any more clearer and I will not dumb down for you.

Second...

"You wont see any Xbox gamers in a ps thread".

That's simply not true....and with that it's clear to me that I'm replying to a fanboy calling out/accusing others for having similar traits. This will be the last comment you'll get out of me. I cannot deal with a dishonest person, let alone an illogical one. I wish you expedited Maturity /

[OldDude]

"Not sure why Sony/PS4 keeps popping up in a Xbox One article."

Simple, because obviously on this site there are a lot of PS4 owners who are insecure about their purchase and seek some sort of validation. They try getting that validation by this unending need to point out the weaknesses of the X1 even though X1 owners don't care. You don't think X1 owners realize that in some respects its weaker than the PS4? Of course we do, we don't care as its all about the games that are on the system. If I want power I play one of my gaming PC's, I don't turn to a console int the first place.

[rainslacker]

By the same token, there are Xbox people on this very thread who instantly compare something to the PS4. Just look at any of Pistols comments. Not saying you're wrong or anything, just that it's a two way street, where some Xbox fans do bring the PS4 into the discussion, so PS fans are likely to respond. Other times, it is PS fans making the problems. It's not just one or the other.

Also, I see Xbox fans in PS articles all the time doing the same thing that you say PS fans are doing here. trolling and fanboyism is not a one sided endevour.

Take a look at my first comments in this thread. I'm a known Sony fan, yet I don't speak negatively of the X1. I do at times, but not always. Yet my comments get no replies, get disagrees, and you know what...why should I care if people don't want to respond. I open up discussion of technical merit pertaining to the actual article which negates the Xbox fan who brought up the PS4 and I shot down his reasons, yet people just want to continue on in their own little bubbles, or point out fanboys like they're some kind of victim of happening to choose the wrong side.

Get over yourself, fanboys of all colors go all over the place to bring up their own preference in almost every article, regardless of if it's pertinent, which is why they end up getting disagrees and lose bubbles as per N4G rules. When I speak negatively of the X1, I don't lose bubbles because when I do so, it's actually on topic, and I at least try to back up my argument most of the time. When I speak negatively of the PS4...which I actually do on occasion, I don't lose bubbles, because again, it's freakin' on topic.

[FlexLuger]

"That's simply not true....and with that it's clear to me that I'm replying to a fanboy calling out/accusing others for having similar traits."

I had to look at your screen name and laugh while reading this. I own both..inbox me and Ill give you proof. Your not going to pull that one on me, son.

"I cannot deal with a dishonest person, let alone an illogical one."

Speak for yourself. The fact that you cant even admit that Xbox gamers will get completely outnumbered and debubbled for speaking on PS in way that displeases PS fans say it all about you. the fact that you cant admit something that users other sites call out N4G for...tells me you are in denial. There for its YOU that is lacking in logic here. You are not even willing to acknowledge a simple and well known truth.

FYI, just because you dont like what you are being told, doesnt make it immature. I havent called you any childish names. I have not branded you. I have been polite to you. So get over yourself.

[Khronikos]

Who needs to be an Xbox gamer when you have a PC? I don't give two craps about Halo or Forza. I played FH2 a bunch at a friend's house and it was nice. Literally the only game they have worth owning I cannot get on PC. Period. The system is a dump for crappy third party ports and Halo. It's for teenagers without cash in other words.

As far as Microsoft is concerned they can screw themselves. I'm not a fanboy I just know a junk system when I see one. It's that simple. PS4 is a decent console and not much more. But it gets the job done with the right tech and the right price.

[ps5fanboy]

Would make a great sci fi movie title IMO

The seventh core , the severance.... Coming to a cinema near you soon....*in cheesy movie announcement voice*

[Fro_xoxo]

The worst thing to ever happen this gen is when fanboys learnt how to read a spec sheet. ^_^.

[MasterCornholio]

Well to be fair people were comparing specs between systems way before this generation. Like when people compared the SNES to the Sega Genesis for example.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

SNES had every advantage over Sega Genesis except for CPU speed. Genesis had a fast CPU for its day and SNES used a 3 speed CPU which the console chose the necessary speed when needed and the fastest didn't compare to Genesis. Yes gamers back in the day compared system specs then too. Specs were just easier and more straightforward back the day compared to the more complex multi-tiered architectures of today.

[rainslacker]

Worst thing was was when they started to act like they understood what it all meant. Back in the day, we just said 16 or 32 bit, blast processing, mode 7, and all sorts of other marketing terms without really having a clue what it all meant. heck...I think I went through the entire SNES generation not knowing what mode 7 was. I was young and stupid, and like the Turbo Grafx CD system, so I was pretty much the odd man out in all the conversations, and both Sega and Nintendo people could say how lame I was. As I recall, best I had to go with was number of sprites and more colors on screen than the Genesis....oh and CD's which were awesome at the time....although Sega killed that for me too.:(

[Tzuno]

both consoles have shitty amd cpu with low freq.

[OldDude]

And we have a winner!!! They are value/budget based systems, neither are a power house.

[kenwonobi]

Bwahahahaha! Now here comes the "7th core" talk.

[Scuzzlebutt]

CEO is asked about extra core, "we are not using it yet..". Great article.

[Scatpants]

OOOHH more sauce!

[MadLad]

OOOOHH

Another failed try at wit, in an attempt to beat a horse long since dead.

[jay2]

We'll see, MS lost E3, but they'll win Gamescom. Now if you could just tell me when those other games are out eg scalebound, crackdown etc I'd be greatful. And if you can pull some of the multi formated games to run better on xbox I'll swap my choices over.

[thecowsaysmoo]

How did Microsoft lose e3? All they showed was a bunch of multiplatform titles and one decent new ip.

[MadLad]

E3 is not something to be lost or won.

You come, you promote your stuff, you get out. And Microsoft had a fair bit of interest to show this E3. Everyone did. Therefor everyone "won".

It's the fanboys that make anything more of it than that.

[Agent_hitman]

It seems that MS has finally put Kinect to rest by allowing the 7th core, which was initially reserved for the 3 OSs and the kinect to be used for future games.

Although I'm skeptical about this articles since the current gen console's CPUs aren't that monster in performance to begin with. Those are Tablet grade processors, customized for consoles. It doesn't even have Vector units to render or execute graphics task to offload like on it's predecessors like X360 and Ps3.

[rainslacker]

The extra core could still be used for Kinect, it's just not reserved for it anymore. For Kinect games, the core would have to be given up for Kinect...or more likely it could be assigned to anywhere that's available. Haven't seek the SDK updated things about this so can't say for sure. I believe one core is reserved for the 3 OS's though, and there is a interrupt within the software which can allow a core to be freed up when being used in a game for system tasks initiated by the user, but it's limited in scope.

@myself and not to you.

I also realize it's kind far down, but in retrospect to my first comment in the article, I realize that this was the 7th core being talked about, and the Xbox still locks out one core from manufacturing. So I feel kind of dumb for not realizing that. I forgot all about Kinect to be honest. Long days and sleepless nights are catching up with me.:(

[kevnb]

Old news

[rockstedy001]

Its always good to here devs comments on the extra flexability that the 7th core gives to devs! Moving forward, the new games coming out at res. 1080p, will they have the same fps as the ps4 or will they have an advantage say 60 fps to 30-45 on ps4! Before anyone on ps4 camp gets mad, i like both sides of the fence even though i prefer xbox! Does this mean the gap is over with? Or surpassed? In any event, this is good news for gamers as a whole cause progress on the x team means motervation on the s team and vise a versa! Game on.....