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Achievements overhaul

The Xbox achievements system has recently fell under criticism following the launch of the new Playstation trophy system. Many argue that because of the longer development time the trophy system is superior to achievements due to tiered achievements instead of a cumulative score. However we at Pwnamon have designed a plan to make achievements the unquestionable king of achievements.

Currently as you progress through a game and meet certain requirements you unlock an achievement, based on the difficulty, you earn Gamerpoints...

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predator3407d ago

hold on when did Trophies beat achievements? Achievements is still the king

pwnamon3407d ago

I agree, however some people claim that trophies are better due to the tiering system.

ash_divine3407d ago

trophies are a better IDEA. but until Sony's starts implementing into every game release, achievements are still be considered better.

Real gamer 4 life3407d ago

I think trophy is a better concenpt then achievement. Because of the whole lvling up thing. But until trophy becomes standard in every game achievement will be better.

Lelouch V Brit3407d ago

Achievements > Trophies > Everything Else.

Tomdc3407d ago

1.2 and 1.3 put it exactly rite, bubbles for them!!!

gaffyh3407d ago

"has recently fell" 0_o

I think the trophy system has the potential of becoming much better than the achievement system, but Sony aren't forcing devs to implement it so it will take a while before every dev starts putting trophies in their games.

solidsnakus3407d ago

what trophies!?!? oh.. you mean super stardust.

superstardust vs achevements.

yea clearly superstardust is better ;)

gangsterdon23407d ago

Damn now ppl want to copy the trophy system? Especialy M$ if they do it from this damn article.... from this clearly can tell they don't have a ps3 because of they cheap, stuck with paying for xbox live, or just is a fanboy. i have both systems and they should stay separated.

maggotmx3407d ago

Ill take my trophies over a number anyday

player9113407d ago

your forgetting that we get "trophies" too. Each achievement is special icon that is relative to the accomplished goal.

I'd rather have a ton of sweet icons vs a pile of metal.

When you open up someone's profile and look at their accomplishments, on PSN you'll see a bunch of the same trophies just a different color. On Live they are varied and not tired. The last 4-5 also get displayed directly on your profile so other players get a quick glance at what you were most recently doing... which is another perk...
...on our profile page, it lists the last icons... which you can visually see what previous achievements and game we've won them on.

On PSN all you'll see are a bunch of trophies. I find that boring.

On top of that we have our number scheme which tallies up all of our achievement points into one number for quick glance as to your gaming skills. Yea PSN has some kinda of "tier" system... so its basically the same thing.

So the only real difference is a metal trophy vs an iconic representation of the accomplished goal.

Time_Is_On_My_Side3407d ago

They are forcing developers to support trophies but since they implemented the system a little late they have a choice to implement them for now. So if they're too far in development then they won't support trophies. As the months go by you'll start to see every new game to support trophies.

Time_Is_On_My_Side3407d ago

Lol, you do know you're making your judgement based on one game vs. many. I'm not sure if you have a PlayStation 3 or not but the front of the card shows you a quick glace of everything. Technically speaking you're arguing over the same damn system. The icons that represent the trophies can vary to each developer.

The only real way to differentiating the two systems is how the levelling system is implemented in PlayStation Home. The levelling system can be like a persistent online game when levelling up in PlayStation Home.

immatt3406d ago

ummm no.
each game can have their own trophy that represents the game, in the case of superstardust hd the trophy is a ship...so each trophy therefore can be unique.

and no... not every trophy has to be a hunk of metal, look at pixel junk eden trophy for example...

uie4rhig3406d ago

achievements is currently king, and will stay like that, until sony makes it mandatory for every game!!

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-M4verick-3407d ago (Edited 3407d ago )

lol Xbox Live didnt even need this. PS3 has one game with trophies LOL and all games aren't even going to have them. The better Xbox Live continues to get, it makes me happy. All 360 games have acheivements with icons and they are achievements that are fun to unlock. By 2009 Xbox 360 will have 600-700 games integrated with the exact same acheivements system on every game.

Its fun trying to get the achievements on good games and comparing with friends and your whole gamerscore. PS3 wishes. Super Stardust HD FTW!!!

DREAM B3YOND

-M4verick-3407d ago

hahahaha look at the inferior PS3 fanboys disagree LMAO

No no no!!! Trophies and PSN are better!!!! Right guys???

PS3 and PSN FTW!! Because everything CRAPPY is the best!!! Right??

hahahhahahahahhahaha

PimpHandHappy3407d ago

How long has PSN had there award system?

You say 600 games with achievements is soooooo great but some of those games give a achievement just for turning the game on!

All you need to know Maverik is this

MS had achievements for 5 years! Sony comes out with there own award system and a couple weeks later you hear about a revamp of the MS award system!

I guess MS must think Sony is on to something! Kinda like they must think Nintendo is on to something with Mii's..

Even the new dashboard set up looks like XMB but with pictures!

Gam713407d ago (Edited 3407d ago )

5 years?
are we 3 years in the future and no-one told me?

I know back to the future 3 is on itv2 at 8 but really?

So after a few years a revamp's not allowed.

Get over yourself.

Also xmb with picture?
So a scrollbar then cos I have never seen a dashboard despite how long the ps3 has been out whereas all ps3 fans that are on these sites know exactly what the xbox dashboard looks like.
You know the dashboard system your machine copied.

themyk3407d ago

i'm sorry but are you saying that the ps3 copied the xbox dashboard?
because that would make no sense.

the ps3 customizable xmb and background looks 10 times better than your dashboard. and that includes your silly new apple/xmb ripoff.

i'm done with you.

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Montrealien3406d ago

Although the crazy fanboy I am commenting on is delusional I like the achievements, and like the trophies, they are both great little extras to our gaming experience, no mater how you like it, and if you don't well why the f*ck would you care enough to piss on it?

As for the article, who are these many that have argued? This is journalism? stupid article.

THC CELL3406d ago

ur right man wow xbox copied sony with the ps3 xmb layout lol
and last time i checked Sony tm this ha ha

Sony should sue x box for they software copier

when are they going to bring there own ideas up

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OgTheClever3407d ago

I notice that there is still a lack of leveling up in this master plan.

pwnamon3407d ago

Why do we need levelling when we have a Gamerscore?

Stryfeno13407d ago

I agree...leveling up is basicly a score.

butterfinger3407d ago

- because leveling up adds more fun than just comparing your score. It's a lot more fun to try to level up and gives PS3 owners more incentive to attain trophies. Achievements could use a tiered system no matter how much 360-only owners don't want to admit it. I'm sure if Microsoft notices the trophy system getting a lot of attention, we will see a similar system for achievements very quickly and then have to hear about how some Microsoft executive came up with the idea 10-15 years ago. lol. jk about the last part, don't take all this too seriously:P

Bnet3433407d ago

Everyone uses the first number or two numbers as a level. So once you passed 1000 Gamerscore, you are past the first level. Everyone considers passing 10,000 a major milestone.

ThanatosDMC3407d ago

If somebody didnt see what he did there... he's talking about M$ claiming that he had the idea of Avatars (for the 360) way before Miis were invented.

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Mr BlueScreen3407d ago (Edited 3407d ago )

This is just like Sony's Trophies system.

Man they just can't stop can they.

The next thing their going to copy is Sony's Dual Shock 3 Controller.

Gam713407d ago

You mean the controller with rumble?

Who was £ony copying then?
What about trophies, £ony copying achievements
In game chat (if you have that yet) xbl
psn copying marketplace
Having a Hdd copying M$. remember when £ony said consoles don't need HDD.

Then theres
sixaxis, copying Ninty

There's no creativity at £ony

Pain3407d ago (Edited 3407d ago )

You mean the controller with rumble?
-Sony copyed rumble from M$??? are u daft??
-1 M$ copied DS2 with Controller -S
-2 Sony didnt have Rumble cuz Whats the name Sued for Royalties and M$ payed out long ago so they had it, sony kissed and made up now we got DS3.

Who was £ony copying then?
-pretty sure its M$ since they well use your eyes they wont lie.

What about trophies, £ony copying achievements
-Sony Only Gave WHAT THE SCREAMING FANS WANTED and!!!!! Made it Better with trophies. u fail

In game chat (if you have that yet) xbl
-yes i can PS2 did it long befor XBox with Socom...and pretty sure when i play games like Warhawk that thing on my ear in not a tumor.
-AND voice chat with Homophobic Racist Ignorant brain dead kids is not a win in my books.

psn copying marketplace
-M$ Copied itunes with market place ,try again.

Having a Hdd copying M$. remember when £ony said consoles don't need HDD.
_M$ had to have a HDD in first XBOX it WAS a PC u know.... and Sony NEVEr said HDD's wher not needed ...hello PS2 HDD used in FFXI....long befor XBOX.......

Then theres
sixaxis, copying Ninty
- sixaxis is a Flail like a retard sticK?

try again.

There's no creativity at £ony
-i Look at how the PS3 is made with all its new fancy ground and Bank Breaking technology, cell.RSX/Blu-ray, ect~ ...compared to the HALF A$$ RROD on u Old PC parts jammed in a case once again M$ Box 2....

Just stop breathing my Air.

Gam713407d ago

I couldn't read that pain as It wA$ 1n Mix£d cAp$ and $ymBols.

Shows how old you are as for your comment. well I can see why only the 1 star.

I never said £ony copied M$ but was pointing out they copy themselves, sorry I meant to say steal then lie then fight it and lose when it goes to court which is worse than copying.

In fact this is what i said
"Who was £ony copying then? "
Where did i imply they copied M$?
You said that. Use your eyes, they wont lie.

"What about trophies, £ony copying achievements
-Sony Only Gave WHAT THE SCREAMING FANS WANTED and!!!!! Made it Better with trophies. u fail "
So a copy. I win.
I pointed out it was a copy due to the original comment
"Man they just can't stop can they.

The next thing their going to copy is Sony's Dual Shock 3 Controller."
So it's ok for £ony to copy but not M$ even though it's more refining what they already have.
And another thing.

THE ARTICLE IS SOME RANDOM GUYS THOUGHTS ON MAKING IT BETTER M$ HAVENT DONE ANYTHING TO ACHIEVEMENTS YET

The only ones who have copied are £ony, I win again.

"In game chat (if you have that yet) xbl
-yes i can PS2 did it long befor XBox with Socom..."
Thats only one game and i'm pretty sure the pc did it first (pc=M$). You know what i meant but if you're being pedantic (get a dictionary but it wont be in Mix£d cAp$) hows your cross game chat? In fact with xbl you chat regardless what your doing, playing, watching a dvd, just on the dashboard

"and pretty sure when i play games like Warhawk that thing on my ear in not a tumor."
Er what thing? The free mic i got is one of the most comfortable I've ever used. I use it on my pc. You haven't used one so you wouldn't know

"-AND voice chat with Homophobic Racist Ignorant brain dead kids is not a win in my books."
Fail again because every online chat place has its idiots xbl, psn, ventrillo and all the rest. I know these idiots are on psn. Judging from your post you're one of them.

"psn copying marketplace
-M$ Copied itunes with market place ,try again."
Oh is that how you want to argue. Ok £ony copied Ninty with the rumble, free online (ds) adding a thumbstick to the joypad.
Sega with with the free online, HD (dreamcast, first high def console)
magnavox with making a console in the first place.
M$ with hdd, online section including gaming and downloads (marketplace)

"Having a Hdd copying M$. remember when £ony said consoles don't need HDD.
_M$ had to have a HDD in first XBOX it WAS a PC u know.... and Sony NEVEr said HDD's wher not needed ...hello PS2 HDD used in FFXI....long befor XBOX......."
Yes a pc did but thats you being pedantic.
they said not every console needs a hdd and its a needless expense M$ a forcing on their customers. Funny eh?
Another arrogant statement from £ony concerning removing hdd compatiblility from slim-line ps2's (for the record i really liked my ps2 and would still play it if it hadn't broke)
"Sony's public response at the time of the introduction of the slimline PS2 (in mid-2004) was that "the more hardcore [HDD-interested] gamers...already have their PlayStation 2 units," according to a company statement."

"Then theres
sixaxis, copying Ninty
- sixaxis is a Flail like a retard sticK? "
Is a flail like a retard stick (in mix£d caP$)
What? I was never hit with a retard stick so i don't understand your speak. Can you get someone to translate.
And it was a poor copy so you would ignore no rumble which they called last gen and you lapped up.

"There's no creativity at £ony
-i Look at how the PS3 is made with all its new fancy ground and Bank Breaking technology, cell.RSX/Blu-ray, ect~ ...compared to the HALF A$$ RROD on u Old PC parts jammed in a case once again M$ Box 2...."
Actually that was to the guy below. As i've shown above every company has been creative and copied. All of them. And do you think £ony invented those things by themselves with no-one to help?
RSX-nVidia and £ony
Cell-£ony Toshiba and Ibm
Blu ray- Sony, Matsushita, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, and Samsung

"Just stop breathing my Air."
You must be a yank if you think you own the air, and from your poor ability to communicate.
What are you going to do if i don't stop breathing "your" air, which I'm guessing is a bit putrid compared to the surrounding air, invade?

You fail on so many levels and thats before we get to your comments.

I await your response.

Oh wait

smokeymicpot3407d ago

Trophies are only for one game there should be no comparing