During an investor meeting, Nintendo assured analysts that WiiU support will continue while NX is being developed.
That's great news for the Wii U owner but at the same time I hope they don't repeat the disastrous launch of the Wii U with the lack of games.... let's hope they release the NX when they have bunch of great titles ready.
Well, we've seen what they have shown this past 'Digital Event' for WiiU, and it seems they've basically already stopped supporting it, cause that was very depressing... As always, I'm looking forward to seeing what they'll do with the 'NX', but TBH I'm also very skeptical, cause I doubt they have a clue as to why they failed with the WiiU (sales-wise...), and I'm afraid they'll just release yet another gimmick-ware console, thus resulting in very little decent 3rd party support again.
I believe this and that Santa is real. Even if wii u will be supported can you imagine what itll be like. One game a year. The wii u barely gets games now so itll be worse when nx is out
They need to phase out the support for a hopeless console. Why make exclusive content for the WiiU?
@ Yi Agreed. They essentially stopped supporting the Wii U already. Their only focus seems to be handhelds. Their claim of Wii U support is hollow. Strikes me as a desparate plea to string gamers along. I own a Wii U but Ninty has royally screwed up with their approach.
I don't know what world you come from, but putting a screen (video games are by definition videos on a screen mind you) on the controller is not a gimmick. Pre order costume DLC. That's a gimmick. Nintendo, since the birth of the NES, as always brought something new to the table with each successive generation (barring Gamecube). Just because it didn't sell well doesn't mean it's a gimmick. Just because it hasn't done before or is different doesn't mean it's a gimmick. Sony put a touchpad on the Dualshock 4. Is that a gimmick? No it's not. These are not gimmicks these are actual innovations and progress, and attempts to broaden our gaming experience. The Wii was also not a gimmick. Motion controls actually worked. There may have been a crap load of shovelware, but countless cord games proved that the control method could stand on its own two legs, and in some cases proved itself superior. So yes, I hope they do continue to innovate. Because if they don't all were left with is a third box clone that does the exact same thing as the other two that we already have right now. What's the point of that?
I think NX means Nintendo Cross. I really am starting to believe that they will be putting their games on other platforms permanently. I'm calling this insane idea now.
if this is how my wii u is going to go to its grave , without a fight or a bang , the nx will officially be the only nintendo console ill never buy . seriosly the gamepad should've been a game changer even if just for convenience ......creating plays in sports games rts point and click style or games like fallout or the witcher that involve a lot of inventory management and large maps and some straight up rpgs no brainers simple example..if anyone has ever played baton katos its a card based rpg..creating your hand on the fly while actions play out or changes suddenly on the tv wouldve been something to behold
Shockingly to everyone on N4G, I will buy a NX day 1. Now if all the games are mobile then I suppose I won't buy any games for it then. I'm buying the console for sure since I buy all platforms.
After all the comments from Nintendo: "We don't like realistic graphics. It makes all games look the same." "Nintendo are not interested in the most powerful console" "We won't stop production of WiiU games." I can guarantee that the NX won't be a very powerful console and will support BC.
NX will be a beast in comparison to ps4 or any of the current gen their all just moderate in power NX will have serious power.....Nintendo Miyamoto said they want to excite gamers with the NX that means preparing a solid line up at launch and a powerful console because you don't excite gamers with a weak console do you ?
Each system before this has been a step up from its predecessor. It's dumb to assume it won't have hardware powerful enough to please, especially after all the criticism people have given them over the Wii U's innards.
The Wii U lacks hardware powerful enough to please, as did the Wii.
Maybe, but if Nintendo wants to remain relavent they should make it at least as powerful as the current systems. Or at least close enough to handle the majority of multi-plats that are being made. Nintendo itself makes some great software, but to really have a strong position in the home market, they need to be able to give developers what they need to make games for it. otherwise, they're going to end up in the same position they're in now unless their next system has some amazing selling point which sets it apart from the rest of the console market.
If they bring out the next console early and ditch Wii U I'll be ok with it as long as it has full BC for Wii U games.
@gameboy1 Unlikely at this point. It all depends on what price Nintendo is willing to to sell this console at $299 / $349 / $399 (if it's truly a home console). PS4 already has the majority of mindshare among console gamers, and by the time the NX comes out (2016 Announcement / 2017 Launch) the PS4 could easily be selling for $299 with bundles at a +60m install base. A $400 Nintendo console off the back of a failed Wii U is a hard sell vs. a $300 PS4 bundle with full 3rd party support and in it's prime with 4 years behind it. At $400 the best GPU Nintendo can nab in a is the R9 380, considering the NX is most likely scheduled for a 2017 launch. The 380 is just under 2x as powerful as a PS4. However, Nintendo has the strange obsession with low TDP and small form factor, so I don't think a console draining 200w of power and putting off a bit of heat is going to be their ideal candidate, nor is a $400 price, and at $400 they're really stretching that budget with the 380 and leaving no room for a solid CPU, which is the biggest complaint for this gen from devs. But I just don't see a $400 in their future if they've struggled selling a $299 Wii U, a $99 GameCube (sold at $99 and less 3 years before the Wii launched). At best Nintendo will be aiming for $299 - $349 price to match the PS4 / XBO, and with that the best they can get is a R7 390. It gives them a 2 TFLOP GPU which puts them just above the PS4 performance wise, for nearly the same price. But that brings us back to why buy a NX with only a few good launch titles, when you can buy a PS4 with 4 years worth of games behind it, bundled with a game, and save $50? No matter what Nintendo does they're in a hard spot. The big question though is what CPU do they use. A newer PowerPC would be great for backwards compatibility but suck for 3rd party. x86 would be great for 3rd party but BC won't happen. An Intel CPU would offer both, but increase the price at least $50 and force Nintendo to take a loss early one. And a mobile ARM would be great for cross play with a future handheld, but be a bottleneck for bigger 3rd party games. My guess is PowerPC, devs have used it for Wii U, PS3, 360, Wii, and GC so they're fairly familiar with it, so it won't be that big of an annoyance, however, BC is a nice selling point for a new console, and with the horrible sales of the Wii U that's a pretty good catalog of games that can get a second chance at life thanks to it. Wii U is based on PowerPC 5, so a jump up to PowerPC 7 would be ideal. Also if they want to get down to match the PS4 / XBO $299 price, then the R7 360 would be the best choice offering 1.6 TFLOP of performance, a super small form factor and an ideal 100w TDP tops, which is about 30w less than XBO and 50w less than PS4 (Nintendo would love it). My safe guess for NX: $299 (Safe bet) Quad-Core PowerPC 7 CPU R7 360 (1.6 TFLOP) 4GB DDR4 2GB GDDR5 (+100 GB/s) It'll be neck and neck with the PS4 and XBO depending on the clock speeds (800 = XBO+, stock 1GHz = PS4-). It's CPU should be an upgrade to the current consoles stopping it from being a bottleneck, and it's RAM should be enough for multiplat games, being better and faster than the XBO, but a slightly smaller pool (though OS footprint is always much smaller on Nintendo consoles). $399 (Possible, PS4+) FX 6300 / PowerPC 7 Quad-Core R9 370 (+2 TFLOP) 4GB DDR4 4GB GDDR5 (180 GB/s) $499 (Wishful Thinking) FX 8320 / i7 2000 series / PowerPC 7 Hexa-Core R9 380 (3.5 TFLOP) 4GB DDR4 8GB GDDR5 (200 GB/s)
* If Nintendo launches NX with a ton of games, the future of the NX will be bright. * It's literally the most important thing in year 1 of any console. It needs games... a variety, and good ones. New IP's. * It will be as powerful as XB1& PS4 at least, so the graphics complaints go out the window and so does the 3rd party dev excuses. ^ That problem gets eliminated immediately once that is done. Next, with a large amount of games during it's initial release, it gives people a reason to actually purchase the new console. It could potentially release at one time with more new games than the others because all the games on that console will be new rather than only some like with PS4 & XB1. * NX isn't going to dominate or replace PS4 or XB1, but it will remind people of Nintendo's greatness once again....IF....IF...IF they get it right. They need to release with a ton of games....like a ton of full content games. Not indie games...full console games. Doesn't have to all be AAA....but still needs to be good high quality new IPs. * With NX you we get Realistic Graphics + Awesome Colorful Art Styles that Nintendo is known for. The upgraded graphics also benefits the colors and art style oriented games just as much as the HD realistic games. * If they launch with a ton of games, it's really a win win for everyone. NOT PORTS....REAL NEW GAMES
PS4 and Xbox1 are not powerful they can't even produce a game as beautiful as Zelda wiiu stop putting them 2 consoles in such high regard it's fake to say their powerful when 60% of the games are filled with bugs/framerate problems and basically screen tearing and just problems powerful consoles don't have these issues ?? All 3 are very limited unless used properly look at FAST RACING NEO it squashes 99% of all ps4 games it looks cinematic....at 60fps..
" If Nintendo launches NX with a ton of games, the future of the NX will be bright" Could we not say the same thing for the Wii U? Did they buy more teams? Unless they have purchased a series of teams, that is more like wishful thinking, they still have a handheld they support. "It's literally the most important thing in year 1 of any console" I would say 3rd party support is, but I agree that both are very important. "It needs games... a variety, and good ones. New IP's" Nintendo is barely doing that with the Wii U, what makes NX any different? My issue has to do with Nintendo as a company, they can't just ask for support yet neglect ports, ports from PS4 and XONE are STILL GAMES! Why should a 3rd party choose to not make money on a port to NX? Nintendo is the one that chooses to not buy many teams, that wasn't a Wii U thing. They choose to not have a default online network base, that ins't a Wii U thing. They choose to develop with zero 3rd party input, that wasn't just a Wii U thing, they did the same with the Wii. They choose to seek a design that was of the "current gen" that wasn't JUST a Wii U thing. They did the same with the Wii. The issues with NX, are really more so about Nintendo as a company then the system itself, Wii U isn't a bad system, its faults lay with it's company. The fact that they are even making another system in the middle of the gen (can't even say middle, still the early beginning, not even 2 damn years yet into PS4 and XONE's lives) likely mean they will make a lot of those same mistakes. Why should a 3rd party go out and make games on a platform that has a lessor install base then PS4 and XONE? On a platform which its install base doesn't even buy 3rd party games? They will have the same issues as their last consoles unless they start to actually seek support, work with 3rd parties on design to make it easier to work with and git rid of there stupid gimmicks. Wii U being more powerful then PS3 and 360 didn't some how make it the system to choose.... NX being more powerful then PS4 and XONE won't change a damn thing... Power is nice, does it even get supported with 3rd party content? If it does, will they even care to support the extra power? I don't see them coming out with a extremely powerful system just based on lack of support and price alone. At a higher price, it will fail, zero install base....fail. They can only hope to gain some fans back with NX, I don't see them selling well, I don't see them even coming near XONE or PS4 sales.
@gameboy1 "PS4 and Xbox1 are not powerful they can't even produce a game as beautiful as Zelda wiiu" Yes they can. Horizon ZeroDawn: https://psmedia.playstation... The Witcher 3: http://static5.gamespot.com... Zelda Wii U: http://cdn.scooptendo.com/w... The PS4 and the XB1 are powerful enough to handle Wii U level games and more.
@MasterCornholio I don't agree with gameboy1's comment but that's a horrible image of Zelda to use in a comparison lol. http://blogs-images.forbes....
*looks at Wii* I'll believe it, when I see it.
''Nintendo assured analysts that WiiU support will continue while NX is being developed.'' lmao its funny because nintendo have been fully supporting the wiiu right from its launch, but nintendos idea of support is leaving it to rot on the store shelves for months on end with next to no support. so hearing they will continue that support is hardly comforting news.
Sounds like the vita to me. Well they are trying to combine handheld and console output. Oh yeah what games are coming from sony for the vita or ps4? Plus they make high quality games that last.
Launch day for the WiiU wasn't bad. It was the close to a year after where nothing new came out, and the quick dropping of support from 3rd party which kind of killed my interest in the system. I have one, but not enough games for me to want to boot it up on a regular basis.
Agreed. However, late ports of already-released games are a no-go. They can't count on late ports no matter how powerful the NX is, because no one's going to shell out over $150 for a new console just to purchase prettier ports of games they already own on other systems (like Witcher 3, Arkham Knight, and CoD) all over again. They're great games, but they won't make current owners of those games switch to an NX. Nintendo needs to snag new multiplats and new exclusives from third parties, as well as make a strong launch lineup of first party projects. No one sane should be suggesting that Nintendo should remain content with old ports for the NX's opening year of games.
After E3, I really don't believe them. Support it with exactly what? More party games, Tennis? We can already see the development slowing down for the WiiU. There's no third party support, what else can Nintendo support this system with?
Punch out! new duck hunt game Zelda star fox new Earthbound game
Like they supported the Gamecube when the Wii launched or the Wii when the Wii U launched, sorry Nintendo not buying it
I said this before his statement why would they throw away an install base to start at zero ?? look like he implies NX will help wiiu get more support....
If this is true I'm Batman
After e3 I find that hard to believe. Prove me wrong Nintendo.
The DS was supported for ages even after the 3DS hit so I doubt they'd drop support of the 3DS in favor of a next gen portable. The Wii I will probably get a lot less support likely next to none.
I'd hate to see Nintendo abandon the currently growing 10 million supporters of Wii U like they abandoned the 101 million Wii owners.
liars they dropped support for Wii even though Wiiu wasnt out.
That support continued on through native BC. Rodea the Sky Soldier is getting a Wii version included.
Nobody in their right mind calls that continued support.
It's a hard, cold fact that Nintendo abandoned the Wii to rot on its last two years before the Wii U's release. The last big Nintendo release for the Wii was Skyward Sword... in november of 2011! And, that game aside, Nintendo really didn't release much that year, if anything. And I can't think of a single notable Nintendo release for the Wii in 2012. "Continued support through native BC"? That's grasping at straws, man.
because Many Nintendo devs swifted over. Many of Nintendo devs already was done developing on Wii aside from Star Fox Zero and Pikmin 3 moving to Wii U.
I guess 5 people doesnt believe me. Then why did Monolith Soft start working on their Wii U game in 2011? Why was Zelda Wii U in planning mode in 2011. What also release that year the 3DS. Sakurai working Kid Icarus: Uprising, Super Mario 3D Land for Nintendo EAD with Super Mario 3D World in development after it go almost complete. Miyamoto wanted to see interest in Star Fox by releasing Star Fox 64 3D. More than anything the 3DS took Wii. Heck Kid Icarus Uprsing was a Wii game at first.
Its just a matter of time.. Nintendon't remember sega?
isnt that what they said about the Wii
Most likely a very true statement. Their next move is towards mobile gaming..... so my guess it's going to be a cheap system that plays mobile games on a tv... very much like the Ouya.
The NVIDIA Shield TV is one of these "cheap systems that plays mobiles games on a tv" and it's $199 and has better hardware than the Wii U. http://shield.nvidia.com/st... And it comes with $30 Google Play cash and $30 Google Play Music. And for an extra $100 you can upgrade the 16GB model up to a 500GB model, and get Borderlands the Pre-Sequel. Better hardware. Check More Storage. Check Lower Price. Check Apps & Multimedia. Check Runs Dolphin emulator for GC and Wii games. Check Don't know about you, but that pretty much nullifies the reason to buy a Wii U, if Nintendo builds something similar. Mobile gaming tech surpassed Wii U this year, and even popular Android smartphones are in the same GPU class as the Wii U (Wii U is mid Class 3, Galaxy S6 is low Class 3, Shield TV is mid Class 3). Even more embarrassing is the fact that next year these chips will be going through their bi annual CPU upgrades, making overall performance better than Wii U in every way, as well as starting to host over their current 3GB RAM maximum. Wii U = 4670, Galaxy S6 = Mali-T760, Shield TV = Tegra X1 http://www.notebookcheck.ne... Dolphin running on Shield TV http://kotaku.com/gamecube-...
Nintendo have said a dedicated home console which part don't you guys understand that means modern tech with a new concept prob a console that has a controller that is also a handheld,ps4 ect are fairly moderate consoles all 3 are nothing special so i expect NX to demolish them maybe even support higher resolutions ect and much better graphics.
You are delusional then and need to get off the drugs and seek professional help.... NO the NX is NOT going to be more powerful than the X1 or the PS4, NO its NOT even going to be on par with them.... This is Nintendo FACT, they don't care about powerful systems and have stated that FACT 1000000000000 times, they go for cheaper tech and rely on "fun" to sell their systems... The NX is going to be something that is slightly if at all more powerful than the Wii U, hopefully minus the gimmick...And NO the Gamepad is not innovative its a gimmick, it was meant to entice the tablet game players to want a console... You Nintendo fanboys are pathetic, Nintendo is making more mistakes, relying on crap gimmicks and rehashing more of their own stuff over and over and over because they have gotten lazy
@deadpoolio316 While after reading his comments earlier I agree he needs help, but I have to disagree with you on performance of the NX, not being on par with XBO and PS4. Well.... It all depends on the price. If it's $199 then yeah I completely agree it's not going to be up to par, although it'll still be a capable console and get ports of PS4 and XBO games 720p @ low settings. The Kaveri A10 7700 should sufice and that's a nice little 800 FLOPS, Quad-Core APU. If it's $299 or more than, it should at worst be on par with the XBO and PS4 if not better. That being said a $199 Nintendo console is a much easier sell, than a $399 console trying to outdo the PS4 and XBO, but will never get teh 3rd party gamers, and the core following they have. I honestly think the $199 is the safest route to go for Nintendo. It's cheap, completely consumer friendly priced, and offers good enough performance not to be entirely left in the dust, and best of all they're off the same cycle as PS and Xbox, which means when Sony and MS drop new 8 TFLOP consoles in 2020 for $400 - $500, Nintendo can come out a bit later with cheaper hardware $250 hardware and offer a cheaper alternative for their fans. Going head to head with Sony and MS is a losing battle in the core-gamer world.
it wouldnt be called a gimmick if they actually utilized the friggin thing, they expected everyone else to do it for them like what happened with ds hey nintendo hows that kick in the taint feeling the fact you havent been all over bethesda the minute the wii u was a go is beyond me.. a game in the fallout series wouldve sold systems no doubt and couldve actually showed how useful a pipboy in your hands could be
Deadpoolio Not our fault if you're 10 years old. Nintendo knows how to make powerful consoles and they have the money to do it. That shouldn't however be their focus. Nintendo more than anything needs to get 3rd party devs on board. They have to do what Sony did with the PS4. They have ask 3rd party devs what they want to see in the NX and they have to support the development of their games. They also need to improve their online service to match what Sony and MS are offering with their online services. Those should be Nintendo main goals with the NX.
Ok mate says the guy who holds on to rumours like there FACT the NX is going for low power consumption and that's where the rumour comes from about NX not aiming for ps4 power ???? http://www.gamespot.com/for...
the Wii u is dead to me, I'll be waiting for the NX
If wiiu is dead with the best games then ps4/xbox1 are buried...
Why do I need to buy the NX?? People just don't understand that 3rd party games are not played by the majority of the gaming market on a Nintendo console and that has been proved since the gamecube. I'm not going to spend again, $400 just to play Metroid Prime 4 or Mario?? I'm sticking with the Xbone for the next years and the Wii.U well, selling it before it's too late. Nintendo lost the trust of the Nintendo fans.
There's no reason that people wouldn't play 3rd party games on the system other than the fact that they gimp their hardware in some way. The N64 was more powerful than the PS1, but they held to the expensive and limited cartridge. The GC was on par with the PS2, but they had a limited optical format, and couldn't compete with Sony's massive hype. The Wii did well only because it was sold to a new market, but the entire console was hardly more powerful than the GC. The Wii U was a bit better than the 360 and PS3 at the time of it's release, but it came out so late in the generation, that most people had established their preference, and everyone knew the next gen was a year away, leaving the Wii U far back in terms of hardware. If Nintendo could make a system which developers could get their games on without compromising heavily, or making a completely seperate game, then it would actually be a good thing because people that really like Nintendo wouldn't have to worry about getting a 2nd console to play the majority of games on.
No other reason? How about the fact that most of the last gen multiplats on it didn't have all their DLC, or came out too late to catch the interest of those that got those games on other systems already? Just having enough system power to support third party isn't enough: We need to be shown games we don't own elsewhere to be convinced to switch. Also, in response to your post down below: they announced it early to head off rumors that their deal with DENA signaled the abandonment of their consoles. Others have just ignored that for the sake of saying the Wii U is being dropped.
I was speaking of the NX, not the WiiU, in terms of power and what they could do to get more 3rd party support. I agree that they need to show games that you can't play elsewhere, but they do do that with their own exclusives, and some of their 2nd party support. The question is...how long are they going to continue to do that with the NX looming? If they announced it early to deal with the DENA rumors, and to avoid people thinking that they are going to abandon their console, then they failed miserably, because people think that they're going to abandon the console. What are people supposed to think when Nintendo says they're developing another console? It may be a few years off, and they will likely support the Wii U for the next couple years or until close to the NX's release, but Nintendo is pretty bad about dropping support as soon as their new hardware arrives. Their mobile platform they do a little better, but Nintendo does have their own history to give people reasonable doubt that they are going to support the WiiU for the long haul...and this last E3 conference didn't do much to assuage those concerns.
@wonderful It's not the developers fault that Nintendo launch a console that was finally capable of running games with PS360 6 years after the PS3 launched. I complete agree the games should have had their DLC, and Collections all on one disc, but as many developers have complained about, Nintendo had nothing ready for them. Their devs tools were horrible and in Japanese, their online was in shambles, so these devs had to spend extra time, money, man power, and resources to simply get the games up and running on the hardware. Then seeing other devs, selling abysmal numbers on the console wasn't going to make them want to put work into making entire collections on one disc, just to flop at market. On top of that there were already over 150m PS360 owners around the world, vs Wii U with an install base of 2m, coming off the Wii, GC, and N64 all of which had awful 3rd party support. The blame cannot be put solely on the devs, and if Nintendo really wanted 3rd party support they would have went out and made sure their console was a welcoming environment for people who don't have to make games on your console, and since it wasn't they stopped making games for Wii U and stayed with Sony and MS where they knew they could make money. These publishers and devs have hundreds of employees to worry about, they don't have the time or money to make sure Nintendo is getting their fair share, when Nintendo isn't even trying to meet them half way, and their fans don't give a flip about anything besides what Nintendo develops, because even games Nintendo has published from 3rd parties have struggled on Wii U. The blame is a 3 way street no matter how much you try to put it on the devs alone. Nintendo don't give a flip, therefore, the devs don't give a flip, and the fans never gave a flip. So why should the devs care, when they're making and selling millions elsewhere? If I have 3 places to do business, 2 of them are working hand and hand with me, while the other has me bending over backwards just to get in the door, then screw them, I'm going to the other 2.
Xbone and WiiU for three years? I'd hang myself.
That will mean they will go bankrupt within the year or 3. Nintendo is investing to much on a big scale! Wii, Wii U, 3DS 2DS, and the NX Wat are you doing Nintendo get you're shit together. Mobile gaming will fail.
Wii has absolutely nothing going for it now. 3DS and 2DS are the same brand, ones just a cheaper model to produce, and both have been profitable on hardware for a couple years now. Wii U is a failure, and at best 3DS is keeping this gen afloat for them, although I'm sure their Wii U is hurting more than 3DS can save them. NX is needed at this point, and Nintendo is nowhere near going Bankrupt unless NX fails, and so does their next handheld. 3DS is on track to be their worst selling handheld, although 70m - 75m sells is far from failing, but if we see a consistent drop with the next device, then Nintendo is in trouble.
Hard to believe less talk more action big N.
I can understand not stopping support for 3DS but I bet they will stop support for the Wii U. I'm pretty sure The Legend of Zelda Wii U will be the last Wii U game from Nintendo.
They may "keep supporting" the Wii U, but the sad truth is that one company alone can only do so much, and they'll be stretched VERY thin trying to support three different platforms all at the same time. Since they're probably currently putting major resources into NX games, the Wii U is likely to get very little support in the near future. Also, it is sounding more and more like the NX will release in 2016, rather than later; probably at latest in the fall of 2016. Hard to believe that they'll be able to have very many games available for it at launch if that's the case.
Sounds like Wii U will still be a part of Nintendo's circle alongside NX..
The problem is how? Think of how thin the first party releases are on their current systems. They didn't magically gain more developers.
See how you got 3 dissagree's for saying exactly what will happen your right END OF... These trolls will try and send off only negative news for wiiu even if it's plain false,Nintendo say 1 thing N4G says another...
Certainly Nintendo will still support 3DS, the device is a success, can't say the same about Wii U, probably it will not receive so many games after NX, just like what happened with Wii after the Wii U.
Remember how DS was just a third pillar and support for GBA continued long after the DS had launched.......
Sounds like NX may not be the major next home console that people are expecting.