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A Pessimistic View of Shenmue III: Why 14 Years Could Be Too Late

Yes, we’re finally getting Shenmue III and that’s fantastic. But it just might not be as good as we expect it to be.

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nX881d ago

We deserve this sequel after how the last one ended and I'm pretty sure it will be at least better than anything that comes from Ubisoft or Activision.

Abash881d ago

It's never too late for highly demanded sequel that the fans of a series deserve

ZerobyZero881d ago

You are right is never to late maybe it will be a great game like its predecessor

SaveFerris881d ago

'Highly demanded' maybe, but both Shenmue 1 & 2 were commercial failures. Where were the fans back then when the games were released?

I'm not trying to 'troll' but I am interested in a reason for the failure.

sypher881d ago

@SaveFerris

The first Shenmue sold over a million copies on a SEGA system that wasn't exactly a success.

The sequel was the problem, as it only released on the Dreamcast in PAL territories, and later got a release worldwide on the original Xbox.

bouzebbal881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

"Yes, we’re finally getting Shenmue III and that’s fantastic. But it just might not be as good as we expect it to be."

OMG look at the damage control! Even 40 years later it only shows that this series isn't left behind. This has been the best news for me during Sony's conference. This series revolutionized gaming forever.. Shenmue III, regardless of what new things it will bring to the table, will conclude a story we, die hard Shenmue fans, have been waiting for it for 14 years. The long wait just makes it more exciting!
Thank you Sony and Yu Suzuki, one of my favorite legendary gaming creators and artists!

_-EDMIX-_881d ago

Agreed. Mind you, what game even used many of Shenume's concepts? Even Yakuza, the game that is closer to Shenume in terms of concept, lacks many of Shenmue's amazing features, ie picking up many 3D modeled items, looking at them etc.

Its a great concept and really engages the user that we didn't see much of after introduced. Its just one of the amazing concepts that just fell threw the cracks. Shenmue 3 offer's a concept that can't really be met by many games today.

Consider Zelda OoT in 1998, after that title we got many, many open world games, filled with puzzles, bosses, loot, dungeons etc (in RPGs anyway) thus that concept was fulfilled fully in many, many titles.

I get the OoT feeling many times playing other open world RPGs lol (less Owls doe).

Shenmue is a game I really personally wished at least kicked off a sub game genre as its really unique and though its open world was smaller, it was deeper and had a ridiculous amount of depth to it.

Many, many open world games today always show you these larger scale worlds and always give you the "x times bigger then x game" how many are telling you they are deeper? How many are bragging about having more interiors, more depth, quest giving NPC's etc?

But I do agree with most, no game is ever really too late. Gaming does't really have an expiration date with games lol, though games get dated pretty bad compared to other mediums ironically because of its progressive style. But some games do something that is so unique, it never really catches on and that IP ends up being something desired by fans that can't be met by other games.

If in the next 20 years, no other game comes out like No Man Sky, No Man Sky 2 would be just as desired as fans didn't get their fix else where lol.

Djinn881d ago

@_-EDMIX-_

"lacks many of Shenmue's amazing features, ie picking up many 3D modeled items, looking at them etc. "

No offense but you must be out of your fucking mind if you consider picking up items and looking at them an amazing feature. I'm not trying to bash the game or anything.

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Volkama881d ago

"Deserve"? What did we do?

Yu Suzuki and all the people that created the first 2 games are the ones that deserve the sequel :)

Hoffmann881d ago

There is no public law that we deserve remakes and sequels of great video games?

#ThanksObama

nX881d ago

It was a purely platonic response to this questionable article.
I don't understand your point tho, why would the creators deserve their own product, one they produced for their customers? We were the ones investing money and time in their creation and they ended the story with a cliff hanger, isn't that enough to "deserve" a continuation in the sense that IT'S NOT TOO LATE to release it?

FlexLuger881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

"why would the creators deserve their own product, one they produced for their customers?"

I think what he meant was Yu suzuki derved to have the opportunity to make shenmue 3, years ago. I agree, as somebody that was and still is a diehard sega fan. I have a transperent and a white saturn. I also have a japanese dreamcast with no region lock. I have owned these consoles since I bought them brand new, decades ago.I played shenmue on the hardware it was meant for. I still own my DC copies along with a nice collection of saturn and DC games.

Which brings me to what you said next. This just irks me, because in all your poset you never come accross as somebody that is a sage fan let alone somebody that owned a sega console:

"We were the ones investing money and time in their creation and they ended the story with a cliff hanger, isn't that enough to "deserve" a continuation in the sense that IT'S NOT TOO LATE to release it?"

....Whats this "we"? most PS fans hated sega back in the day. You guys were willing to wait for PS2 instead of cashing on on the deadstock DCs that were floating about before the PS2 even launched. Sega are out of the hardware business because of people like you. Ps fans, who never bought sega games or consoles..so what is this "we" that you speak of? the legion of pissed off DC fans that bought OG xbox's to spite sony? or the Psfans with their usual sense of over entitletement for a game on a platform which their company of choice removed from the equation and has been a shell of itself ever since? Its going to break a real sega fans heart to see this game published without even a sega logo on the intro.

Theres no way I could ever be at odds with fellow sega fans, the way I am with some of you lot. You always know a real sega fan. VF is still their fave fighting game. They still own sega consoles. They still ever so slightly blame sony for their role in segas exit out of hardware. But you dont. You dont own any of these things, bloodborne. You are a sony fan from the jump.

So the last thing I honestly want to hear is sony fans saying they "deserve"shenmue, because they invested in it. Thats the biggest croc of shit I have read in this entire thread.

rainslacker880d ago (Edited 880d ago )

@Flex

I respected your comment until you got to the point of going off on Sony fans.

I'm sorry, but where do you think all those Sega fans went after the death of the DC? At the time, they either went to the PS or the Xbox. IF they went to the Xbox, then given the way Xbox fans seem to approach Shenmue right now, I wouldn't call them Sega fans, nor fans of Shenmue. If it's PS fans, then it's likely they were DC/Shenmue fans back in the day if they're excited for Shenmue now. Either that or they are hyped given all the positive talk about the game over the years, and they want to know what it's all about, thus new fans....who cares what console they're on and why would you go on to criticize people for their console preference?

I'm sorry, maybe you didn't get the memo, but when the DC died, other consoles lived on, and most gamers went somewhere else. Unless you believe they all just switched over to PC or gave up gaming altogether or laughably went to the OG Xbox. Sorry, Sony scored big on the demise of the DC, because most of those Sega fans went to where the games they liked to play were, and that was PS.

Many PS fans of today is made up of Nintendo and Sega fans from back in the day, so you only go on to criticize your own precious Sega.

I played Shenmue back in the day, and have owned every Sega console....sometimes several times over. Was never a huge Shenmue fan, it was fun and innovated, but I could go without. That being said, I was a big Sega fan while they were relevant, but even before the DC came out I had started to lean more towards Sony because overall, they were delivering a lot more than Sega was in terms of games. Sega screwed over people with the release of the DC so soon after the Saturns launch, and they screwed over retailers with the surprise launch of the Saturn. Sega is not perfect, and a lot of the criticisms they received back in those days was perfectly warranted.

Sega is out of the console business because of their own failed attempts at outdoing Nintendo in terms of hardware. They were on the way out before Sony came along. PS fans didn't have anything to do with Sega's demise, but maybe Sony did because they came to the market strong against a competitor that was unable to compete due to their own mistakes.

It's easy to look back with nostalgic eyes, but the only thing you show yourself as is just some fanboy that is not any better than the Sony fans you criticize.

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MasterCornholio881d ago

Better late than never right?

chrisx881d ago

Thanks for your pessimism,but its never too late. Fans will be allover this game come launch

gangsta_red881d ago

"But it just might not be as good as we expect it to be."

This is what I'm scratching my head about. I think a lot of people are letting nostalgia get in the way of their actual experience with the game. Shenmue part 1 was great because it was one of the first fully 3D open world games but I think a lot of people are forgetting a lot of that game was boring as all hell.

And part two had just as many long boring parts of having to get a job and other side track missions.

Not to mention in these last 14 years we have had a HUGE number of open world games that have gone above and beyond what Shenmue did. If Shenmue III comes out it has the chance of being another Duke Nuk'em Forever, how everyone anticipated and was hyped for that game for YEARS and when it came out it was crap because it had gameplay that was stuck in the past.

I think this game missed it's mark, it should have released 10 years ago. It will be releasing at a time where many have already moved on, don't even know this game, or won't take notice because it'll be a been there, done that type of game.

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Hoffmann881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

The much slower pace in Shenmue might be a very big change to all the GTA's, Saints Rows, Yakuza's out there though.

I hope that there is again a big focus on weird mini games (Lucky Hit) and earning money, even if it means to do the same things again it can be designed in a way that it is always a challenge.

I backed the game and look totally forward to it.

gangsta_red881d ago (Edited 881d ago )

Yea, the mini games and jobs for earning cash was specifically what I remembered being the more boring parts of the game.

With Yakuza and Sleeping Dog's already filling the asian-centric themed open world genre, I wonder what Shenmue III will bring that's different.

DigitalRaptor881d ago

Why would I expect this exact kind of talk from you of all people on this topic of all topics?

Shenmue was and is still a remarkable game and experience. To the fanbase it's still as good as it always has been to them. Fans play regularly and still appreciate its the details of the game world. There are many open-world games today that accomplish a lot more but simply don't have the same immersion.

You fail at the most basic level to even grasp why the game is even anticipated in the first place, which is probably why you're on these Shenmue articles clearly trolling and promoting all the concern and controversy. If you had been on the Dojo board for around a decade like most of the Shenmue fans longing for a sequel, you'll know that most just want to know how the story continues delivered in a way they are familiar with.

You've already admitted that you don't understand the excitement. We don't need your fake concern that it "won't be as good as expected". Most Shenmue fans would be satisfied with a conclusion experienced with Dreamcast graphics, Dreamcast-era mechanics, as long as they got to play through the game to the end and feel satisfied by its story and its characters. We're getting more than that.
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"I think a lot of people are forgetting a lot of that game was boring as all hell."

Read again... Shenmue fans don't just reminisce about a game they played 14 years ago and forget the "boring" bits. If they were "boring" then we would be able to see them as boring from the offset. But again.... you aren't a Shenmue fan that cares for a sequel because you see the bits that fans like myself consider special about the series, as "boring". Its pacing sets the tone for the experience which people appreciate about it. How about you go watch a video by Adam Koralik or any other fan that describes the same passion we share for the sometimes slow and mundane, but intriguing day-to-day gameplay that made Shenmue unique and special? Even better, explain to me how Shenmue should try to be something that it isn't? People with a mindset like yours are the reason why Suzuki-san wants creative independence. Instead of the diverse gameplay of Shenmue that people know and love, you're pretty much suggesting that the DNA of this game should morph into an arcade-style violence simulator, to "fit the trend".

I'm sorry but if you don't like adventure RPG gameplay that intentionally makes you play out a realistic scenario to ground you in the role of the main character and play out the game as a teenager dealing with grief and a quest for vengeance (as an RPG should do) then you will never understand.

"14 years too late", defies the makeup of those looking forward to Shenmue III for all the right reasons. If you're looking forward to Shenmue III for its bombastic open world action chock full of free-roam vehicular sections (like you clearly are as a non-fan), then you're doing it wrong.

Or even better, how about you look up what Yu Suzuki has already openly said about the direction in which he wants to take the sequel, which most people on the Kickstarter and around the web that I've seen are actually thrilled with because it's in keeping with the original vision - again proving my point. He's taking the game back to the intimacy of a single location and making story and character conversation and interaction the focus, which is one of the series' strongest and most valued traits.

gangsta_red881d ago

"There are many open-world games today that accomplish a lot more but simply don't have the same immersion."

Like? Any examples because there has been plenty more open world games that has far exceeded the immersion and story telling that Shenmue created decades ago. GTA is just one of them, Yakuza and Sleeping Dogs did a really good job of that also.
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Your continued comment and usual style of always over selling a game (like you did The Order) and your text book description of Shenmue that reads like it was copied and pasted just further proves how nostalgia kills rational thought. It was a great technical feat back then but it doesn't excuse some of the poor gameplay mechanics that many gamers and reviewers found when the game actually came out. Sure it has it's following, there's no denying that, but the game was a critical failure not once...but twice.

"If you're looking forward to Shenmue III for its bombastic open world action chock full of free-roam vehicular sections."

And if you think that not having any of this will make the game a success then it's only destined to end up like it's two predecessors. I never said that it had to be filled with action, but if it's filled with mundane everyday activities and doesn't do anything different than what I and other gamers have been playing from other open world games for the past 14 years then what's the point?

You don't mind the game mechanics not changing in 14 years only because you want the story to conclude? That is beyond ridiculous and I would guarantee you and others would be upset if Yu Suzuki did this. Of course you would never admit this online in your continued defense for this game.

I have had this concern for other related games being too late like Duke Nuk'em 4ever and Half Life 3. But for some reason I don't get called a troll or fanboy when concernedly speaking about my those games, funny how this game though the names always seem to fly rapidly off the chain.

SuperLupe881d ago

I can't belive you got so many disagrees. Shenmue is probably one of my most dearest gaming memories but I agree with you 100%

rainslacker880d ago

"And part two had just as many long boring parts of having to get a job and other side track missions."

So basically, other than the actual task of getting a job, it's like every other open world game out there?

Seriously though, I think it's the story that gets people wanting to really revisit the world. I'll admit it dragged at times, but overall it was pretty good, and the characters were worth liking, which I can't really say about a lot of open world games I play where personality seems to take a back seat to cliches.

I think Suzuki is experienced enough in game design to adapt the game play to modern trends, but I hope he doesn't go the route of making it more flash than substance. Shenmue did have a slower pace than most modern games, and I think that could not settle well with modern reviewers and gamers who aren't used to a different time.

I'll admit though, Shenmue is not going to have the advantage of being well ahead of it's time and innovative like it did when it first came out, because many of the things it did became templates for those producer check boxes which makes many games seem so generic today.

In any case, I'll be playing the game. I'm happy it's getting made, and I'm happy for my fellow gamers who are extremely excited because I know how long they've been asking for it.

Spotie880d ago

I just can't figure it out.

Why do you seem so intent on dissuading people from wanting this game? The previous titles were boring, and this one holds nothing for you, yet you've got dozens of comments about it.

Why is that?

maniacmayhem879d ago (Edited 879d ago )

Maybe it's the same as when you try and tell people that BC isn't a big deal, how you hardly ever used it or that SONY said that it wasn't needed because people never actually used it for the original PS3. Even though we get more than a dozen other comments loving the idea of an added BC.

I can't figure out how it's okay for you to spout your nonsense on others but you take so much offense when others state their opinion.

Of course we know the answer right Hicken. This is related to Sony so you have to get super upset that someone isn't praising anything that is related to Sony.

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Patricko881d ago

I think this game is mostly for pure fans only.
New gamers won't recognize the genius and how legendary Shenmue is.
For me it's the best game in my gaming history (25 years of gaming for me). When I heard that they will make finally Shenmue III I almost cried myself :)

I hope Sony and Yu Suzuki won't fail us and will bring this masterpiece in top form.

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