Kotaku’s Stephen Totilo spoke with Sony president of worldwide studios Shuhei Yoshida last week about a range of topics. Eventually, Driveclub came up. “We are very embarrassed,” said Yoshida, “and we are sorry for that.”
In my opinion they should of created a Kart racing game taking inspiration from Crash Team Racing and leave the whole realistic graphic thing to GT7.
An unfortunate relic from their days chasing Microsoft (Killzone for Halo, Driveclub for Forza). Sony should realize there is only one king of all racing sims...and that's GT.
Driveclub is still better than Forza
I think Forza is king of simulation racing. Forza is a more realistic experience while GT is to a point it also lacks physics, also the driving is little Arcadey
^Forza feels way more arcadey than GT, sorry but your comment is nonsense. Also it looks more cartooney as well, I don't get what people like about Forza so much.
@Bloodborn "I don't get what people like about Forza so much." It's only on Xbox. @EvilWay GT lacks physics? You are kidding right? Arcadey? Yeah...I don't think you've played the same Gran Turismo that everyone else has.
^^ It's common knowledge that Forza has better tire Physics than GT (Look up Calspan, Turn10 have worked with them for years now). Also GT cars sounds like vacuum cleaners and they use old modeled cars from PS2 era. GT used to be more realistic, but not after Forza 4.
Driveclub is in no way chasing Forza. It's it's own franchise! Grab Turismo is the answer to Forza and its existed since PS1... Driveclub is a great game that isn't trying to be Forza... And let's be honest it's hands down the better looking game.
Your comment just vomits pure stupid for some reason......no offense, how is DC chasing forza, DC is an arcade racer and nothing else while forza is chasing GT. Just like tomb raider is chasing uncharted. Though I believe Sony did say killzone was its answer for halo.........I think they fell short, except for killzone 2 that is.
The recent GT went totally unoticed, like they handled it terribly. If anything that explain this debalce is over promised and under delivered. Simple.
@remixx116 What do you mean when you say chasing? Because Tomb Raider was around before Unchartered or are you speaking in sales, graphics, gameplay, etc?
Everyone saying Forza 5 has superior driving or tire physics to GT6 hasn't played both games or driven a car!
Reading these comments gives me a headache. People actually believe DC is better than Forza when it totally bombed in reviews while both Forza series are critically acclaimed. Then they go around and play the score card when Uncharted scores great and downplay Tomb Raider. You people are something else. These are the same people that actually defended PS Now against the BC of the XB1. Go figure. LoL DC suck and it is not getting a sequel, you people really need to live in the real world .
@Kal0psia um correct me if I wrong but I think that even gran turismo 6 sold more than Forza 5 or FH2. that weird to be a "totally unotice" @Sitdown I think he its referring to new Tomb raider
So it turns out it was incompetence from Sony. You would think that for a company that does streaming games that they know networking, but I guess after being hacked in one of the largest data loss in history I can't expect much else. Explains also why their flagship game KillZone: Shadowfall had essentially P2P (after the initital handshake). Straight from the horses mouth: "The stress-testing was not designed correctly. So it was the oversight. So the team had to go back to the drawing board in terms of server code. And they have been re-factoring and re-engineering server-side to be able to have more people play the game at the same time.” It is amazing that it took Sony over a year to fix this. Is it going to crash again? My money is on Sony not wanting to give it to you until they did all the selling they could. They are reneging on their promise! I am upset, and if you are a PS+ member so should you!
Honestly I think the best thing Evolution Studios could have done is give us all an open world Motorstorm game instead of DriveClub. Motorstorm Apocalypse wasn't particularly great, but if they had followed the second Motorstorm game and crafted something set on an island where you can freeroam from location to location and race anywhere and everywhere, it would have been fantastic. I can just imagine the E3 presentation now, "You see that Volcano in the distance? You can race down the side of it as it erupts" :)
@evilway So far GT have yet to come out for the PS4. Let wait and see how the physics compare to Forza for the xbox one. You cant compare xb1 forza to PS3 GT.
MOTORSTORM > All you sissys! Evo!!! Us lunatics waiting on the next storm! :D
* Guys, just because Drive Club is bad, doesn't mean PS4 sucks now. You can stop with the Forza bashing. Anybody who is a truth teller will admit that Forza is the better game. Forza isn't arcadey and the only elements of arcade in them are found within the Horizon side game and not the main Forza 5,6 series. * Grand Turismo, if it's as good as people think it can be, should be at the same level of Forza when GT7 releases. I'd actually like to see GT7 be better than Forza 6, and I'm an XB1 owner. I think it would help push the genre forward and a little competition is always a good thing. Drive Club is NOT that competition though.....GT is, but it's not released yet.
how dare you speak with logic and desire for competition
GT7 will be better... Polyphony Digital isn't rushing it out the door like what was done with forza to make the launch window. I still kinda find it funny that everyone is comparing GT6 to next gen Forza... that alone should say something about Polyphony Digital. Their last gen game competes with xb1's current gen title.
Remember this, when GT and Forza came out for the PS3. it was well known that GT on the PS3 was the better simulation. We have yet to see a GT on the PS4 to compare it to Forza 5 or Forza 6. If driveclub is an indication to what the PS4 potential is. You can bet that GT7 will probably exceed driveclub in all department.
Nothing can destroy forza, good try Sony!! It's not all about pretty graphics but rather a great overall gaming experience. Leave it to grand turismo driver club. They should dead the franchise entirety. What next? The next killzone is going to be the gears/halo/titan falls killer? Maybe if it looked as great as that amazing tech demo we saw for the ps3 version. We have racing on lock down; we have shooters on lockdown, and for the moment we have MMO's on lockdown(via Never winter and smite) so play your little no man's sky, ff7 remake, shenmue 3 (we must have forgotten the second one was trash) I'm good with scale bound, recore, gears 4, gears remake, fable legends, quantum break, and cuphead, and rise of the tomb raider. Oh sorry, I forgot about drakes and street fighter 5.
The saltiness in this one is strong. The only thing you have locked down is 10months of nothingness. It's funny how the holiday almost here and guys like you start raising your banner claiming victory when in reality youve been in the basement hibernating.
"Forza Killer" Hahhahahahaahahhahahaha vg 24/7 with the horrible quotes
Well Driveclub did outsell Forza Horizon 2 despite its issues
Yup but the PS4 outsold the XBOX ONE almost two fold, so those sales don't really reflect a more popular game. Driveclub just had a larger audience. That said, I like Driveclub a lot.
ChronoJoe Actually, since Forza already has a large fanbase I would think that even if the PS4 has outsold the Xbox One 2:1 that Forza would at least sell as much if not more than DriveClub due to it's award winning predecessors and such. That being said they are both great racing games.
http://www.metacritic.com/g... http://www.metacritic.com/g... actually we know which game is better
@d_g don't do backing up your opinion with evidence thing... it doesn't down well around here. You've got to throw around loads of rhetoric and pass of your opinion as fact.
@ FallenAngel1984 -Yea a lot of people bought into the hype and found out they didn't like it and returned it. I know of 3 people that did that, and then they played Forza Horizon 2 and were annoyed that they had to wait for Grand Turismo 7 for a good driving game. * This gen, Sony has all the hype, so they get the hype sales on nearly every game at some level. Sony PS4 will get the "impulse" buys because of the hype surrounding PS4. It's not a bad thing or good thing, it just is what is happening. Total number of sales does NOT = Quality of product.
@ d_g : Not really fair to look at the ratings in this case as we all know that DriveClub had huge issues when it first released and it is now a completely different game. I never played it in that state but I've heard all about it. I bought the game a few months back and the game is amazing. Very good balance of sim and arcade gameplay and it looks fantastic. I'm sure Forza Horizon 2 is a lot of fun as well.
The only problem driveclub had was its online portion not working for about a week, after that its been plain sailing, its funny how the halo collection that was broke for MONTHS didnt get the same treatment.
@Rimeskeem Indeed but with GT sales exceeding Forza's every year, even on the XBOX 360, one can assume that the Playstation brand itself has a much larger following for these realistic (or semi-realistic in DCs case) type of games. So it's not really surprised that the game sold relatively well considering the games of this type available on the platform. If Gran Turismo or even Project Cars were already available I imagine Driveclub wouldn't have been quite as popular. I really enjoy the game but it was undeniably broken at launch and I imagine if consumers had more options they would have avoided the title in favour of better functioning alternatives.
Yeah dc outselling Forza should be proof of how sales are not indicative of quality. Knack outsold Super Mario 3D World. Knack....I mean come on. If you can't see how silly it is to take sales at face value of being indicative of quality well then, I hope you are a Belieber.
Shoryuken retrouk The reviews for drive club were not with the server issues as if you read this article aswell, they said the server issues weren't there with the review copies or betas. It was not until after it released that they had the server issues. That was the same problem with MCC. the issues weren't there for review/internal testing that were there when it launched
Horizons is fantastic, but its not as popular as Motorsports.
And kinect adventures has sold more than any ps game does that make it better than the whole ps library?
@ krib Why are you talking about reviews when what we were talking about was the "massive problems" driveclub had? The only thing wrong with that game was the online for a week. The game itself is fantastic, great graphics, great tracks and runs smooth as hell, it literally pgr4 for the ps4, its funny cause when pgr4 came out it actually had about the same content as driveclub yet there was no negativity about it at all because it was a great arcade game, infact my fav arcade racer by a mile last gen and probs my most played xbox live game, point is, show me these problems that only seem to exist in others copy of the game, ive done most single player races and had a blast online. Nothing but a great arcade game, and i could say similar stuff about halo because as much as the online was broken there were 4 great games to play through.
To summarize... "Money" They made more money promising it and then taking it away, selling a lot more copies. That is all.
Sony and their E3's and their promises xD
I don't think this made them any more money off of the core game, if anything it would have put people off. After all, they did not have to offer a PS+ version in the first place if it was going to be terribly expensive. The PS+ version, if you look at how it is structured, is not the full game. It is a demo of the full game and serves as an advertisement for it. Why was it delayed then? I imagine there are two core reasons, both of which stem from the fact that the servers for the game were not functioning at launch, or for a considerable while after. a) As the servers couldn't handle the strain of the users on the full game, adding to that with the PS+ version would merely serve to compromise the experience for users who had payed for the game. b) It would have been a terrible opportunity to advertise the game through the PS Plus 'version' (aka. demo). Launching the PS+ edition with a non-functioning server infrastructure would raise some red flags with consumers, serving as a warning of a game to steer clear of rather than a game to buy. While it does all come down to money in the end (you can pin almost every businesses actions down to money with the right perspective), it's not due to the reasons you suggest.
I don't understand how a broken game supposedly made them more money. They shipped a certain amount and those that really wanted the game day one purchased. Then, reviews came out and slammed the hell out of the game (and rightfully so at the time). Many people that were fence sitters decided to wait for the Plus edition. Then, because the game wasn't quite moving for everybody, sales began to pop up. (I got mine for $20!!!!) Those sales moved units. But, Sony and Evolution didn't profit from that movement. They had already gotten "paid" upon the initial shipment of the game. All that did was move units, at lower prices, for retail outlets...which ALSO isn't profit. In the end, if anything, this did more damage to the "money" making potential of the game than anything. But...conspiracies!!!
It is a forza killer now for sure.
Horizon, maybe. Main Forza games, that's a big hell no.
are you kidding me? horizon 2 wipes the floor with driveclub
Lol @Sgt_Slaughter and ps4fanboy http://i.imgur.com/5KMH6H9.... Horizon 2 is excellence.
I've never played Horizon or Horizon 2 so I figured they were close to each other... Guessing I'm wrong then lol
I really don't see the purpose of the comparison. Forza is more sim orientated, Driveclub is not. Meanwhile, Forza Horizon 2 while arcadey in its handling, is open world, so it offers a completely different style of racing to Driveclub with its arcade handling and point to point and circuit based racing. Each of these three games are very different beasts and there's room for all of them to exist happily, each offering different experiences with different respective pros and cons.
Horizon is completely different. The main series is more comparable. Havent played a Forza since 3. 4 I heard was good, but 5? meh.. 6 seems like the real deal again so I cant wait to see more of that actually. And Horizon 2 looks fun, Sony could do something like that with a spin on it. Actually I would love Motorstorm to have its spinoff open world game, that could be really fun with the theme of past motorstorm games and the wild nature of them. Gonna go play some MS now.
no. just no.
“It’s just the number of people the server couldn’t handle,” he said. “The stress-testing was not designed correctly. So it was the oversight. So the team had to go back to the drawing board in terms of server code. And they have been re-factoring and re-engineering server-side to be able to have more people play the game at the same time.” I called this back in Oct, when all the armchair developers were saying "just add more servers"
Is this similar to what happened with the MCC? Where it wasn't a problem with the servers but a problem with the coding? That's how I understand it. Anyways hopefully they learn their lesson from this.
From what I have seen the problem with the MCC was finding a way to do match-making for 4 games at once. Driveclub is much harder to figure out since this wasn't the first time the developer made a game with an online element. I honestly have no idea how that level of incompetence can be achieved on a console today. The entire way the game has been handled from launch to the accidental release of the Plus version yesterday has hurt an otherwise excellent game.
I imagine so. If it was just a capacity problem, they could fix that within a week. These networks are designed to add/remove capacity as needed. If your code is screwed, it could take a long time to fix properly
Is the free ps plus edition out or not?! Thats all i care!!
It's releasing tomorrow. No online modes at launch though.
Nothing went wrong, we call it a bait and switch, and Sony are fantastic at it
There you have it. The premier authority on all things Sony, Yetter, has spoken.
They didn't have enough servers and they couldn't afford to buy in extra capacity. Same reason why we don't have mp in uncharted collection.
its pathetic to launch a demo ps+ version at this stage, the least they should do is give the complete game for free on plus, even if they roll online progressively
It's $20 go buy it if you can't wait
that's exactly the point..... they promised to give a free AAA game at launch for PS+ subscribers, then they changed that to a substantial demo off a AAA game at launch, then now what they are giving is a substantial demo of a game that its already on the bargain bin...
@DualWeilding They NEVER promised the full game for free. Ever. They promised "DriveClub PS Plus Edition", which had multiple modes and its own trophies, but not all the features. That's all they ever once promised people. That myth keeps getting brought up and it needs to die.
They never promised "a full AAA game". They promised a PS+ version of the game. They even explained that it would include India only, but have the full features of the game intact. As for your "bargain bin", hell every game gets put in the bargain bin in less than 2 months. Look, they fumbled the hell out of this release. But, it was already a free extended demo. (to be honest) They are prepared, finally, to deliver. They've paid the price in both lost profits and consumer trust. At most, they should offer discounts on the "upgrade" (like less than what it is a retail now...so about $10-$15) to the full game or season pass. Demanding anything more comes off as a bit disingenuous (if you were that interested, just get the bargain bin price...at this point Sony has lost any and all profit margins so you won't be supporting failure) and entitled. Just my opinion for what it's worth.
Well regardless of all the pros + cons of Driveclub. I believe this franchise is worth building upon. The visual & sound fidelity is second to none. Next iteration start introducing the ability to tweak vehicle performance. Add city tracks. Bring on more cars, & expand on the amazing weather effects. This would be AWESOME ; D
Driveclub being a new IP sold 1.62 million on only one platform. Forza Horizon 2 being a long established franchise sold 1.50 million across two platforms. If you subtract the 0.58 million sold on Xbox 360, you're only left with 0.92 million sold on Xbox One. Before anyone jumps to say "no duh PS4 outsells X1 2-1" let me remind you that the new IP Splatoon on the barely reaching 10 million Wii U sold 1 million worldwide in just 4 weeks.
The game looks great, however because of its missteps in the beginning, it went from being a day one purchase to a game that's fairly far down on my to do list. Heck, with all the games coming out, I've decided to just start enjoying my backlog.
A shame that Sony had to put its weight behind a partially working Driveclub than an awesome GT.