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Sony Explains What Went Wrong With Driveclub

Kotaku’s Stephen Totilo spoke with Sony president of worldwide studios Shuhei Yoshida last week about a range of topics. Eventually, Driveclub came up.

“We are very embarrassed,” said Yoshida, “and we are sorry for that.”

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-Foxtrot818d ago

In my opinion they should of created a Kart racing game taking inspiration from Crash Team Racing and leave the whole realistic graphic thing to GT7.

MightyNoX818d ago

An unfortunate relic from their days chasing Microsoft (Killzone for Halo, Driveclub for Forza).

Sony should realize there is only one king of all racing sims...and that's GT.

Nirvana31591818d ago

Driveclub is still better than Forza

EvilWay818d ago

I think Forza is king of simulation racing. Forza is a more realistic experience while GT is to a point it also lacks physics, also the driving is little Arcadey

nX818d ago

^Forza feels way more arcadey than GT, sorry but your comment is nonsense. Also it looks more cartooney as well, I don't get what people like about Forza so much.

GameSpawn818d ago (Edited 818d ago )

@Bloodborn
"I don't get what people like about Forza so much."

It's only on Xbox.

@EvilWay
GT lacks physics? You are kidding right? Arcadey? Yeah...I don't think you've played the same Gran Turismo that everyone else has.

SonofGod818d ago

^^ It's common knowledge that Forza has better tire Physics than GT (Look up Calspan, Turn10 have worked with them for years now).

Also GT cars sounds like vacuum cleaners and they use old modeled cars from PS2 era.

GT used to be more realistic, but not after Forza 4.

Sevir818d ago

Driveclub is in no way chasing Forza. It's it's own franchise! Grab Turismo is the answer to Forza and its existed since PS1... Driveclub is a great game that isn't trying to be Forza... And let's be honest it's hands down the better looking game.

remixx116817d ago

Your comment just vomits pure stupid for some reason......no offense, how is DC chasing forza, DC is an arcade racer and nothing else while forza is chasing GT. Just like tomb raider is chasing uncharted.

Though I believe Sony did say killzone was its answer for halo.........I think they fell short, except for killzone 2 that is.

Kal0psia817d ago

The recent GT went totally unoticed, like they handled it terribly. If anything that explain this debalce is over promised and under delivered. Simple.

Sitdown817d ago

@remixx116
What do you mean when you say chasing? Because Tomb Raider was around before Unchartered or are you speaking in sales, graphics, gameplay, etc?

kraenk12817d ago (Edited 817d ago )

Everyone saying Forza 5 has superior driving or tire physics to GT6 hasn't played both games or driven a car!

Rookie_Monster817d ago (Edited 817d ago )

Reading these comments gives me a headache. People actually believe DC is better than Forza when it totally bombed in reviews while both Forza series are critically acclaimed. Then they go around and play the score card when Uncharted scores great and downplay Tomb Raider. You people are something else. These are the same people that actually defended PS Now against the BC of the XB1. Go figure. LoL

DC suck and it is not getting a sequel, you people really need to live in the real world .

Minimox16817d ago

@Kal0psia
um correct me if I wrong but I think that even gran turismo 6 sold more than Forza 5 or FH2. that weird to be a "totally unotice"

@Sitdown
I think he its referring to new Tomb raider

donthate817d ago

So it turns out it was incompetence from Sony. You would think that for a company that does streaming games that they know networking, but I guess after being hacked in one of the largest data loss in history I can't expect much else. Explains also why their flagship game KillZone: Shadowfall had essentially P2P (after the initital handshake).

Straight from the horses mouth:

"The stress-testing was not designed correctly. So it was the oversight. So the team had to go back to the drawing board in terms of server code. And they have been re-factoring and re-engineering server-side to be able to have more people play the game at the same time.”

It is amazing that it took Sony over a year to fix this. Is it going to crash again?

My money is on Sony not wanting to give it to you until they did all the selling they could. They are reneging on their promise!

I am upset, and if you are a PS+ member so should you!

Crimzon817d ago

Honestly I think the best thing Evolution Studios could have done is give us all an open world Motorstorm game instead of DriveClub.

Motorstorm Apocalypse wasn't particularly great, but if they had followed the second Motorstorm game and crafted something set on an island where you can freeroam from location to location and race anywhere and everywhere, it would have been fantastic.

I can just imagine the E3 presentation now, "You see that Volcano in the distance? You can race down the side of it as it erupts" :)

kayoss817d ago

@evilway
So far GT have yet to come out for the PS4. Let wait and see how the physics compare to Forza for the xbox one. You cant compare xb1 forza to PS3 GT.

subtenko817d ago

MOTORSTORM > All you sissys! Evo!!! Us lunatics waiting on the next storm! :D

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3-4-5818d ago

* Guys, just because Drive Club is bad, doesn't mean PS4 sucks now.

You can stop with the Forza bashing.

Anybody who is a truth teller will admit that Forza is the better game.

Forza isn't arcadey and the only elements of arcade in them are found within the Horizon side game and not the main Forza 5,6 series.

* Grand Turismo, if it's as good as people think it can be, should be at the same level of Forza when GT7 releases.

I'd actually like to see GT7 be better than Forza 6, and I'm an XB1 owner.

I think it would help push the genre forward and a little competition is always a good thing.

Drive Club is NOT that competition though.....GT is, but it's not released yet.

Cueil817d ago

how dare you speak with logic and desire for competition

jeromeface817d ago

GT7 will be better... Polyphony Digital isn't rushing it out the door like what was done with forza to make the launch window. I still kinda find it funny that everyone is comparing GT6 to next gen Forza... that alone should say something about Polyphony Digital. Their last gen game competes with xb1's current gen title.

kayoss817d ago

Remember this, when GT and Forza came out for the PS3. it was well known that GT on the PS3 was the better simulation. We have yet to see a GT on the PS4 to compare it to Forza 5 or Forza 6. If driveclub is an indication to what the PS4 potential is. You can bet that GT7 will probably exceed driveclub in all department.

modelgod817d ago (Edited 817d ago )

Nothing can destroy forza, good try Sony!! It's not all about pretty graphics but rather a great overall gaming experience. Leave it to grand turismo driver club. They should dead the franchise entirety. What next? The next killzone is going to be the gears/halo/titan falls killer? Maybe if it looked as great as that amazing tech demo we saw for the ps3 version. We have racing on lock down; we have shooters on lockdown, and for the moment we have MMO's on lockdown(via Never winter and smite) so play your little no man's sky, ff7 remake, shenmue 3 (we must have forgotten the second one was trash) I'm good with scale bound, recore, gears 4, gears remake, fable legends, quantum break, and cuphead, and rise of the tomb raider. Oh sorry, I forgot about drakes and street fighter 5.

kayoss816d ago

The saltiness in this one is strong. The only thing you have locked down is 10months of nothingness. It's funny how the holiday almost here and guys like you start raising your banner claiming victory when in reality youve been in the basement hibernating.

ThichQuangDuck818d ago

"Forza Killer"

Hahhahahahaahahhahahaha vg 24/7 with the horrible quotes

FallenAngel1984818d ago

Well Driveclub did outsell Forza Horizon 2 despite its issues

ChronoJoe818d ago

Yup but the PS4 outsold the XBOX ONE almost two fold, so those sales don't really reflect a more popular game. Driveclub just had a larger audience.

That said, I like Driveclub a lot.

Rimeskeem818d ago

ChronoJoe

Actually, since Forza already has a large fanbase I would think that even if the PS4 has outsold the Xbox One 2:1 that Forza would at least sell as much if not more than DriveClub due to it's award winning predecessors and such.

That being said they are both great racing games.

Zepherite818d ago

@d_g don't do backing up your opinion with evidence thing... it doesn't down well around here.

You've got to throw around loads of rhetoric and pass of your opinion as fact.

3-4-5818d ago

@ FallenAngel1984 -Yea a lot of people bought into the hype and found out they didn't like it and returned it.

I know of 3 people that did that, and then they played Forza Horizon 2 and were annoyed that they had to wait for Grand Turismo 7 for a good driving game.

* This gen, Sony has all the hype, so they get the hype sales on nearly every game at some level.

Sony PS4 will get the "impulse" buys because of the hype surrounding PS4. It's not a bad thing or good thing, it just is what is happening.

Total number of sales does NOT = Quality of product.

-shoryuken-818d ago

@ d_g : Not really fair to look at the ratings in this case as we all know that DriveClub had huge issues when it first released and it is now a completely different game. I never played it in that state but I've heard all about it. I bought the game a few months back and the game is amazing. Very good balance of sim and arcade gameplay and it looks fantastic. I'm sure Forza Horizon 2 is a lot of fun as well.

IRetrouk818d ago

The only problem driveclub had was its online portion not working for about a week, after that its been plain sailing, its funny how the halo collection that was broke for MONTHS didnt get the same treatment.

ChronoJoe818d ago (Edited 818d ago )

@Rimeskeem

Indeed but with GT sales exceeding Forza's every year, even on the XBOX 360, one can assume that the Playstation brand itself has a much larger following for these realistic (or semi-realistic in DCs case) type of games. So it's not really surprised that the game sold relatively well considering the games of this type available on the platform.

If Gran Turismo or even Project Cars were already available I imagine Driveclub wouldn't have been quite as popular. I really enjoy the game but it was undeniably broken at launch and I imagine if consumers had more options they would have avoided the title in favour of better functioning alternatives.

Septic818d ago

Yeah dc outselling Forza should be proof of how sales are not indicative of quality.

Knack outsold Super Mario 3D World. Knack....I mean come on. If you can't see how silly it is to take sales at face value of being indicative of quality well then, I hope you are a Belieber.

Kribwalker818d ago (Edited 818d ago )

Shoryuken retrouk

The reviews for drive club were not with the server issues as if you read this article aswell, they said the server issues weren't there with the review copies or betas. It was not until after it released that they had the server issues. That was the same problem with MCC. the issues weren't there for review/internal testing that were there when it launched

DragonbornZ817d ago

Horizons is fantastic, but its not as popular as Motorsports.

StrayaKNT817d ago

And kinect adventures has sold more than any ps game does that make it better than the whole ps library?

IRetrouk817d ago (Edited 817d ago )

@ krib
Why are you talking about reviews when what we were talking about was the "massive problems" driveclub had? The only thing wrong with that game was the online for a week. The game itself is fantastic, great graphics, great tracks and runs smooth as hell, it literally pgr4 for the ps4, its funny cause when pgr4 came out it actually had about the same content as driveclub yet there was no negativity about it at all because it was a great arcade game, infact my fav arcade racer by a mile last gen and probs my most played xbox live game, point is, show me these problems that only seem to exist in others copy of the game, ive done most single player races and had a blast online. Nothing but a great arcade game, and i could say similar stuff about halo because as much as the online was broken there were 4 great games to play through.

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CuddlyREDRUM818d ago

To summarize...

"Money"

They made more money promising it and then taking it away, selling a lot more copies.

That is all.

Irishguy95818d ago

Sony and their E3's and their promises xD

ChronoJoe818d ago

I don't think this made them any more money off of the core game, if anything it would have put people off. After all, they did not have to offer a PS+ version in the first place if it was going to be terribly expensive.

The PS+ version, if you look at how it is structured, is not the full game. It is a demo of the full game and serves as an advertisement for it. Why was it delayed then? I imagine there are two core reasons, both of which stem from the fact that the servers for the game were not functioning at launch, or for a considerable while after.

a) As the servers couldn't handle the strain of the users on the full game, adding to that with the PS+ version would merely serve to compromise the experience for users who had payed for the game.

b) It would have been a terrible opportunity to advertise the game through the PS Plus 'version' (aka. demo). Launching the PS+ edition with a non-functioning server infrastructure would raise some red flags with consumers, serving as a warning of a game to steer clear of rather than a game to buy.

While it does all come down to money in the end (you can pin almost every businesses actions down to money with the right perspective), it's not due to the reasons you suggest.

iceman06817d ago

I don't understand how a broken game supposedly made them more money. They shipped a certain amount and those that really wanted the game day one purchased. Then, reviews came out and slammed the hell out of the game (and rightfully so at the time). Many people that were fence sitters decided to wait for the Plus edition. Then, because the game wasn't quite moving for everybody, sales began to pop up. (I got mine for $20!!!!) Those sales moved units. But, Sony and Evolution didn't profit from that movement. They had already gotten "paid" upon the initial shipment of the game. All that did was move units, at lower prices, for retail outlets...which ALSO isn't profit. In the end, if anything, this did more damage to the "money" making potential of the game than anything. But...conspiracies!!!

ps4fanboy818d ago

It is a forza killer now for sure.

Sgt_Slaughter818d ago

Horizon, maybe.

Main Forza games, that's a big hell no.

PC_60818d ago

are you kidding me? horizon 2 wipes the floor with driveclub

KionicWarlord222818d ago

Lol @Sgt_Slaughter and ps4fanboy

http://i.imgur.com/5KMH6H9....

Horizon 2 is excellence.

Sgt_Slaughter818d ago

I've never played Horizon or Horizon 2 so I figured they were close to each other...

Guessing I'm wrong then lol

ChronoJoe818d ago

I really don't see the purpose of the comparison. Forza is more sim orientated, Driveclub is not.

Meanwhile, Forza Horizon 2 while arcadey in its handling, is open world, so it offers a completely different style of racing to Driveclub with its arcade handling and point to point and circuit based racing.

Each of these three games are very different beasts and there's room for all of them to exist happily, each offering different experiences with different respective pros and cons.

RevXM817d ago

Horizon is completely different. The main series is more comparable.
Havent played a Forza since 3. 4 I heard was good, but 5? meh.. 6 seems like the real deal again so I cant wait to see more of that actually.

And Horizon 2 looks fun, Sony could do something like that with a spin on it.

Actually I would love Motorstorm to have its spinoff open world game, that could be really fun with the theme of past motorstorm games and the wild nature of them.
Gonna go play some MS now.

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