Mike explains why, even with all the new games coming out of E3, he's most excited about Xbox One to Xbox 360 backward compatibility.
I think it creates a much larger incentive for those people who own 360's to make the jump to the Xbox One. If the bulk of their 360 library will be playable on the Xbox One, then what would hold them back? Plus then they can trade in the 360 console to be used as credit towards the new system purchase. I can't understand how or why some people think that MS announcing BC is a bad thing for the One.. jealous that the PS4 doesn't do it and instead we have to pay for PS Now to replay any of our older games? Sure you could keep your PS3 around for a rainy day, but wouldn't it be nicer to just be able to pop the disc in your newer console?
The only problem is most of these games won't even be playable when they buy the system and some never will. People will be very disappointed if they really believe RDR will be playable through emulation.
It's pointless if the games aren't even playable. Mass effect runs at 15 FPS on X1.
Lol RDR is the #1 requested game users are asking for http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... Unless Rockstar decides to be a bunch of jerks, it's going to be there the day BC is open to everyone.
RDR is likely to be approved, but hey there are a lot other games. Also, ME runs pretty damn good already and I haven't encountered the 15fps, but everything is improved. Faster loading, higher fps, less pop-in and etc. BC is free and it is amazing!
As a ps4 owner I agree. The thing that made the ps2 amazing for me was the ability to play any ps1 game I wanted on it. Which I still do to this very day. Not to mention our ps3s won't last forever so when they break down were stuck with a library of games we cannot play. That's what happened with my PS1 games and then the PS2 came around and saved them. Now all playstation has is some bullshit PS now service where you pay a fee to play games for a couple of hours to a few days and weeks. Where there is input lag and the games have visual downgrades.
Problem is the majority of games are not available for bc and we don't know how many actually will become bc. Now I'm not going to sit here and say it's pointless because it's not. It was a requested feature and ms pulled it off so fair play to them. But I do think it's true that this announcement would have been bigger and more relevant if it was released at launch of the console. I think the best thing about this feature is that it differentiates the two consoles which is a good thing. I also think it's irrelevant to compare ps Now with xb1 bc because ps Now is a service that's not really designed as a ps4 feature (obviously it is a pa4 feature) where as bc is definitely an xb1 feature. Ps Now is designed as a service that transcends the console platform, that for now provides older games but will evolve to give newer games in the generations to come, on any platform ranging from tablet/smartphone to tv. Basically replacing the console. It's pointless to compare a feature and a service when their purposes are totally different imo.
Microsoft said there will be hundreds of games availble day one and it has already been confirmed that every first party published game will be available. Currently, you can even vote on the games you want with the most popular making the list if they are not already there on day one https://xbox.uservoice.com/...
I agree that PS Now is a different feature altogether that can appeal to a different market. However, since that is the only way for PS4 gamers to currently enjoy older PS titles (excluding owning the older consoles), it's the only form of comparison we have at this point.
* Somebody wants us all in fighting amongst each other. * It's very difficult to control 400,000,000 people. It's a lot Easier when you divide them into 2 sides though. They can control the emotions of both sides, playing one off another. * Think about it. White vs black, arab vs jew, gay vs straight, feminism vs whatever, right vs left, liberal vs conservative, Athiest vs religious, Democrat vs Republican, illegal vs non-illegal. Don't you all see what is happening in this country right now ? It's just leaked into video games from wherever it was coming from. The same people lying on mainstream media outlets are doing the same exact things. I think it's all connected. With the decrease in truth and quality in mainstream media came the decrease in ethics and integrity in journalism everywhere. It's showing on sites like this and everywhere else. Somebody wants us arguing and fighting amongst each other and guess what? It's working.
One word: competition. We have the idea that competition it is evolving. Because of that, even to, we see father competing with son, for that everyone know who is the best... it is sad, but true...
But if we turn our backs on the demons that set the division up they have no power to divide come together for a new world of gaming order.
I think it can be both amazing and pointless. It's cool just to have the option. The big question is, how many people will truly go back to a 360 game now. I know I'll have a blast from the past every now and then, and play something old. But not much at all. I'm definitely not buying a 360 game at this point. But maybe I'll play something that I still have. It's definitely good ammunition to fight that console war though. Lol. Ps4 fanboys are trying to damage control not having backwards compatibility. Xbox fanboys have bragging rights.
Amazing or Pointless? Neither one thing or other. Having BC, is ok. Jealous? Nah. That is just for the ones who don't know that MS already had tried BC in last gen, in the same way and with the same intention! Thousands of games, were released on XBox, but you can just play 450 titles in XB360... I already know how this will end!
@Neonridr Well said. The feature is totally worth it and i applaud the guys who made this possible. Come fall many Xbox 360 fans will be ready to make the jump to Xbox to Xbox One. i also have a couple of box 360 games i wanna play on my Xbox One. starting with RDR. @Nirvana31591 Keep downplaying it all you like.it wont change anything. It's an awesome feature which Xbox fans requested for and i'm glad MS made it happen.it will only get better.
Ain't it funny how people like @nirvana seem to forget that its still in beta yet they focus on one thing to use as a way to downplay it because its not on their console of choice
Far closer to amazing in my opinion pointless would be not having the choice when the consoles capable.
I dont understand why people keep saying it will make 360 players make the jump. 1. why would they buy a new console to play the games they can already paly and 2. if you buy a new console you want to see what it can do, not play old games on it. I've already used the feature on mine for one game, but if it wasn't there i wouldn't lose sleep over it i would just plug in my old consoles and play the game where it was designed for.
Because buying an XB1 now gives you the choice to do both and as everybody enjoys different things in gaming its a great choice to have.
also buying an xbox one gave you a choice before. Its up to you if you limit yourself by selling old gen consoles.
It's not really hard to understand. If you invest thousands of dollars in your games library, it would be great to still be able to play them. It makes the decision easier to make when deciding on which platform to upgrade to.
I already have an xbox one and it is a wonderful feature for me having friends over hanging out in the rec room where my One is located. Being able to redownload some excellent XBLA games like castle crashers or fighting games like U. Marvel vs capcom 3 for some coop fun is a huge plus.
With a remaster of Castle Crashers in the works, I doubt that game will have BC, but I get what you're saying.
There are people who think buying a new console means trading in their old one. I know someone who traded in their PS3 for a PS4. But then they missed playing borderlands, so they traded their PS4 in for a PS3. I SMH at the amount of money lost in those transactions- especially since people usually do this bc money is tight in the first place :/
Maybe because they can play their xb360 games they have, the xb360 they missed which is cheaper now, and be able to play next gen games. It's on of the same perks pc gamers get you don't her use saying why would you want to play stalkers or the witcher when it came out long ago what's the point? See how dumb that sound. Funny thing people use to brag and be proud their system had BC last gen. I wonder why the change? The biggest slap in the face for me was buying a lot of digital games and content on my ps3 last gen just for they to tell me if I don't keep my ps3 or them keeping support for it. I can play my games on ps4. So even if they port games I brought I have to start all over. I buy into your digital hype and you tell me to f#ck yourself at least M$ is trying sony is riding the fanboys like chumps. They're paying for MP that they already brought and its no different from last gen. And if someone ps3 dies they will have to buy a new one just for they don't lose their games which will some bring ps3 prices up. Fanboys are always going to try and spin this. They could at least let me stream my digital games on psn because its easy to check that I brought them. I hope sony is taking notes so they can make a lame excuse for ps5 doesnt have BC since PS fanboys will live with whatever sony decides for them. I was a PS fan but the last couple of years they been shady. I respect them for it because it's business, but doesn't mean I'm gonna deal with and kiss their @$$ like people on this site do. That's one of the reasons its now OK for Morpheus to be $300-400 when it first was announce people on this site swear it would be around $150 just because it's sony. The fanboys have no bounds. They will never criticize sony.
With the option of trading in your 360 to knock off a big chunk towards an Xbox One, I can see this making 360 owners get Xbox One's because of this feature.
Neither extreme, it's just useful for some.
Probably the most intelligent, simplest explanation heard on here. Point is that ANY feature adds to the 'perceived' value of your console but that does not mean that everyone will utilize it. Case in point, I have no intention of ever using SharePlay on my PS4 but it's there if I ever change my mind. I feel the same about BC. It's just a 'convenient' feature to have all (if not many) of your games playable on one device but, to me, its not necessary. Others will have great use for it. There is no 'right or wrong' about it.
Absolutely spot on fella!
When Games With Gold starts putting BC games on XBone on the same day people will start to care
I didn't even think of that! That's going to be nice.
especially when EA Access starts to put 360 games in the vault yea......people WILL care
I believe it's a great feature to have but it would have been much better to have it at launch than two years later. But at least it's coming.
Pointless? The point is backwards compatibility...
Well yeah as long as it works well it isn't pointless. Nothing wrong with having the feature. But like I said before it would have been nicer to have had it at launch which is where its most important in my opinion.
Obviously it would be better to have all future system features at launch but better late then never. Plus it's coming right at the cusp of the mainstream transition period. very good timing.
It would've been nice to have at launch I agree. But for people not wanting to leave their 360 library it's a great feature. Plus olny having one console instead of two in the entertainment center is great too......hmmm. Yeah I can't think of any negatives.
@viking and tiny I agree with both of you. :) Anyways better late than never and hopefully it works great on the XB1. Its good to see Microsoft bringing the feature to the system. While I don't think it will be a system seller its still really nice to have. If Sony brought BC to the PS4 I wouldn't complain about it even though I own a PS3.
It was the number one most requested feature therefore it's not pointless.
its pointless for all the player who sold their 360 and ALL their game to buy an Xone.
As someone who sold their 360 and games I highly disagree. As soon as they announced BC my jaw dropped and had RDR(never played) hitman absolution(never played) and Halo Reach(rented) on my buy list. R* better rise RDR price cause it's about to see a hike in sales 100,000 is my guess(over 50,000 votes and you know at least 2x as many will buy)
Since I didn't get to play AC: Rogue or SP: The Stick of Truth, absolutely awesome.
So it has to be either amazing or pointless? To me it's a cool feature- just not the game changer that some are claiming.
Microsoft has made a smart business move! They see that plenty of gamers are still on the 360 so they figure how do we get them from 360 to Xbox One,Backwards Compatibility is the way to get them to leap over! Microsoft is making it real easy to jump over with all the deals they have going! What does a gamer have to lose by switching over? They can now play 360 games right along with Xbox One games! Sony should be trying to counter this someway! Ps Now you half to pay to play Ps3 games,While the Xbox One is doing it free! So this could hurt sony down the road this holiday!
I can't think of one 360 game that I would want to play via backwards compatibility. I forget that there was actually a whole generation of kids that enjoyed the 360 and what it had to offer.
Its neither of the extremes. Its a really cool feature but it has a limited level of interest. I am willing to bet that as a percentage, bc games will be a tiny proportion of the total games played on XB1. I honestly never saw any outcry for backward compatible functionality, even when the consoles were first announced and people found out the consoles were not compatible I dont recall a backlash. Now again, its a cool feature and I am excited to play Gears of War 3 which I missed first time around, but it isnt a deal breaker by any stretch. Its just something for the sane sections of the gaming community to enjoy and something for the idiot fanboys to bang their drum about.
Amazing or pointless? How about we call it Amazingly Pointless? Look I found common ground between the two sides and ended the flame war! :D /s
BC is not something I was really excited about but I know it's one of the most requested features for this generation of consoles so that pushes it towards amazing. Also, BC is not an easy thing to implement at all so good on MS for making it happen.
Why is Microsoft being downplayed for providing a feature that didn't exist for free and making those who have a 360 upgrade. If sony did this they would be praised on this site how they slaughtered e3. Sony cant do this because of you know that investment they made in Gaikai. Uhmmmmm, PSNOW anyone?
It's certainly not pointless
Bc is great. I personally cannot wait for this, I still own a 360 but x1 runs silent and has a better controller, as well as in game screenshots. What truly amazing is Microsofts software engineers, amazing work.
I've always viewed BC as almost pointless. I'm a Sony guy from old....though i owned and played a 360 for its golden years before MS gave up in its last 2-3yrs. When you move to the newest gen, most gamers invest in newer games. Its the point of the newer console. BC is that weird thing everyone thinks they want - and occasionally use....at first. (Hence why BC is so big a deal for LAUNCH consoles) Yet you quickly transition to newer games and never look back. The few big last gen games are uprezed and tweaked and relaunched for a reason. Devs & pubs like the cash grab. Its business. BC that sells via app stores if priced extremely low is nice. But this never happens...you'll see huge discounts....but you'll still pay $19.99 for a Gears game for example. Now....why do that and risk low player base when you can save a bit more for a new title? Or perhaps you get 2-3 BC games that catch on again - exposure is limited, so how does this help pubs sell you new ips? In the end its fairly useless and usually offered by the guy who is feeling market share pinch. Xbox did it to ps2. Ps4 forced x1. Circle of life for gaming i guess. If Sony had it I'd still be completely ambivalent just like i am with current state of PSNow.
Pointless because I'm a Sony fanboy.
Convenient. It means my media center is less cluttered by not needing to have the older console out to play older games (something I do every summer).
AMAZING, because it's great to watch how every argument against BC is idiotic, especially when BC games generally play better on XO... it's fun to watch people try to Negative Nancy it. People even say that Mass Effect generally runs better, even though it is also the one that has the most issues (reportedly being worked on). It is also AMAZING for putting PS Now in its place, hopefully causing it to be less successful as people Realize how superior Ms DRM+CrossTech is, and that should help Microsoft to continue winning this gen as far "Platform" OS and features, or at least, next-gen as they migrate the OS and every feature of XO, such as BC, to the next version of faster hardware. I am for PS Now not being successful, because I think Ms DRM+CrossTech is better for consumers, gamers, and developers... I think people were short sighted about Ms DRM, because most people aren't very tech savvy. Having to insert disc in every device, that could be supported in the future with CrossBuy, is either annoyingly inconvenient or impossible (such as on gaming tablets), and the alternative of a streaming service, such as PS Now, isn't ideal unless someone is a very casual game player. Another example is... how are we supposed to stream a disc title from our XO to whatever other device, while we're out and about, if we're not around to insert the disc? BC shows how Ms DRM is best as digital 360 games just automagically "Show Up" as available to install, and the same can happen when moving from 8th to 9th to 10th (etc.) gen hardware, and potentially on PC as well. Although such DRM features may require mostly always online (REALLY HUGE *SO*, especially since the online doesn't have to be fast to verify license, while streaming does have to be fast), I will always be for buy once and then play on any supported Microsoft device, with the content being saved digitally forever in Microsoft's cloud, that is possibly the most stable and enduring cloud storage on the planet (along with Amazon and Google) and that allows all purchased content through every new generation of Xbox foreverMORE (and maybe with the ability to sell\give content only one time, that I think Ms originally was planning... though naysayers still claimed no used games, yet people could buy new and get much of their money back when selling\giving it away once). Being enslaved to monkeying discs back and forth is not what I think is best, and I think it will become increasingly Realized as an inconvenience in the future. I think the future will show how bad an idea requiring discs was, especially as streaming and CrossTech become more common... such as everyone who bought discs won't be able to stream whatever they want from their XO while they're out or over at friends' houses, because they can't change discs. Although maybe a couple years away, I eventually expect being able to stream games from XO to friends' XOs (to conserve install space on friends' consoles and to save time), though people won't be able to do that with games that aren't digital, unless they somehow have someone insert the disc remotely or unless inserting the disc in the streaming client is supported, though that means you'd have to plan for it and bring with. People have been BACKWARDS naysaying Ms this entire gen.
its pointless if you have a ps now subscription
Amazing or Pointless? well , here its pointless since MS did it , if Sony does , it will be amazing I guess...Sony could poop on a stick and most people here would swear it tasted good...
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