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Are the "PC Master Race" days over?

We all have that one pesky friend that keeps reminding us just how great PC gaming is, with its finer visuals, larger, more populated servers and amazing deals via Steam, whereas playing on consoles is largely regarded as inferior or irrelevant. This debacle, however, may be starting to shift, and owning a PS4 or an Xbox One may just be the best way to experience gaming from now on.

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uth11822d ago

Buggy PC releases aren't a new thing, I've dealt with this problem since at least 'The Sims' in early 2000s.

Joystickero822d ago

I agree, they just seem a lot more common these days, that's all!

Ezz2013821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

Soo... Pc gamers got 2 broken games like Unity and Batman AK
and PC gaming days are over ?! 0_o

Never change, Gaming media....never change.

Death821d ago

Ugh...it's time for the Playstation Master Race again now that sales are "dominating".

uth11821d ago

@Ezz2013 - and Watchdogs. There were others I can't think of right now, but it was more than 2

SniperControl821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

@Death

"Ugh...it's time for the Playstation Master Race again now that sales are "dominating"

Lol, give it up man, people on here have real selective memories when it comes to who is the "master race". i remember the Xbox master race on here last gen, especially when the 360 was way ahead of the PS3, you couldn't even mention the PS3 without getting castrated.

LOL @below

Like i said, real selective memories.

Death821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

@Sniper,

And before that we had two generations of 100+ million Playstation owners that waved the domination flag. At the PS3's launch we had 25 million Xbox owners and 7-10 million Xbox 360 owners. If you were castrated on n4g for mentioning PS3, you had a 1 in 6 chance it wasn't by a PS2 owner unless you believe they were hiding under a rock from the much smaller Xbox fanbase.

LightofDarkness821d ago

@SniperControl: L O L

The revisionist history around here is astounding. There was no dominant side during the early days of N4G, and I've proven that time and again, referencing comment threads from the era in question so I'm not doing it again. There were more equal numbers of PS and Xbox fans, then between mid-07 and 08 this place became inundated with PS fanboys. That's it. I was never a fanboy of either side, I had no major confirmation bias or rose-tinted glasses. Back then you just tasted the same vitriol that is doled out to anyone around here nowadays who besmirches the sacred name of Sony, and it they did the same back then too (they just got it right back in equal volume). And that last comment is not a fanboy remark, I love PS as much as a person reasonably should, but some people take it too far.

Crimzon821d ago

Let's not forget the large amount of broken console releases either. In recent memory we've had Assassins Creed Unity, DriveClub, Halo Master Chief Collection stand out in particular. So while Batman Arkham Knight might not have had an abysmal launch on PC, it seems foolish to suddenly forget the vast amount of broken games that have released on console.

SniperControl821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

@Light

So you were privy to every single comment section on N4G.

"Ugh...it's time for the Playstation Master Race again now that sales are "dominating"

How is Death's comment not a troll comment, the article talks about the PC Master race being taken over by consoles, no where does it mention anything about the "Playstation Master Race" taking over.

moldybread821d ago

when all of your marketing goes into the console versions then yes, the master race will continue to be treated like peasants even though they are willing to spend more to get better performance.

LightofDarkness821d ago

@Sniper:

Oh, it is slightly fanboy-ish, I was referring to my own comments only. I wouldn't call it trolling, however.

MysticStrummer821d ago

@LightofDarkness - Equal numbers of fanboys is certainly not what I saw when I first stumbled across this site in the summer of 07. Not in the comment sections, at least. It was heavily 360.

OT - A large amount of potential hardware setups has always meant some titles will be buggier on some setups than on others.

Irishguy95821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

I remember the heavy X360 N4G too. Hilarious. Now its Ps3. All the same.

Edit - Oh god, I never even thought about mobile gaming taking over :(

Unfortunately it makes sense. My PC games have been dumbed down, now my console games will be even more dumbed down. In fairness, there are some fun mobile games. But thats the extent of them..just 'fun'

DragonKnight821d ago

"even though they are willing to spend more to get better performance."

Which translates to absolutely nothing for the developers making the games. Why would Warner Bros. care that you spent $400 for a PS4 or $1500 for a PC? All they know is that they make more money on the PS4 and risk piracy on the PC, so I ask you, oh he who hath said that we should be paying more money for our games, why would they treat a platform that makes them less money and risks making them NO money even on equal terms to a platform that makes them bank, even if because too many are stupid and pre-order broken games?

uth11821d ago

@Moldybread - yes PC gamers show they are willing to spend on hardware. But they expect to pay as little as possible for software, and pay nothing for online. I'm not just talking about piracy, but all the bragging about how cheap the steam sales and humble bundles are.

You can't blame devs for going where the money is

blackmagic821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

@Uth11
Still pushing the same rhetoric.

http://n4g.com/comments/red...

For a new console game that sells for $60, $12 goes to the retail outlet, $7 goes to the platform holder (Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony), $3 goes to packaging.

http://www.forbes.com/2006/...

On Steam, Valve is the distributor, there isn't a retail outlet ($12), there isn't a platform holder ($7) and there isn't any packaging ($3). The game can sell for $38 on day one and still make as much money for the dev as a $60 console game. In fact, if the game sells for more than $38 then they are making more money.

As for $3 steam sales, $3 + ($12 + $7 + $3) = $25. Have you ever seen a console game on sale for $25? Same thing.

Death821d ago

@DK,

The developer is less interested in how much you paid for your PC or console and more interested in how large the user base is. Last I read there were a few more PC's than PS4's and Xbox One's out in the wild.

DragonKnight821d ago

@Death: They are more interested in a PAYING userbase. When they look at their metrics, they see that when they release their games on consoles, they always make more money than they do when they release their games on PC. They also see that it requires less work for them to release their games on consoles because every Xbox or Playstation has the exact same configuration as the next.

So you take a platform where piracy is very real, where the configurations are as varied as there are grains of sand in a desert, and where the userbase of actual dedicated gamers hardly ever pay the asking price for the game and make many entitled demands of the developer.

Then you levy that against a demographic that may be smaller but far more dedicated as they are using a device that is literally dedicated to gaming, where piracy is nowhere near as prevalent, all configurations in a given console brand are the exact same, and the userbase is more likely to pay the asking price while being less likely to make huge demands.

Which do you think a business is going to throw the bulk of their support behind?

Lon3wolf821d ago

No they are not getting more common, they might appear to be due to the volume of games released the percentage of good vs dodgy releases will still be about the same. Nowadays buggy games are getting more common on console, with devs happy and able to patch games digitally, back when you had no internet (yes there was a time when it didn't exist :D)you did not hear of any console games that were broken, different story now though isn't it.

Death821d ago

@DK,

PC gaming revenue was higher than console revenue last year. http://www.forbes.com/sites...

Microsoft is a step closer to merging console gaming with PC gaming with Windows 10 in 2015. Why do you think this is? According to you, devs are more interested in a PAYING userbase. If PC gets more revenue, aren't they the bigger paying userbase?

starchild821d ago

I haven't played Batman Arkham Knight yet, but I do know that AC Unity and Watch Dogs are not in any way "broken" on PC. Unity was a little buggier than past games in the series, but that goes for the console versions too. It's a demanding game, but its graphics warrant it for the most part. Could have been a bit more optimized perhaps, but an open world game that looks that good was always going to be demanding.

Anyway, point is, while Unity and Watch Dogs may have been considered "crappy ports" by some people, they still look and run much better on the PC than on the consoles.

People need to understand that most PC gamers have different standards than console gamers. So when you hear PC gamers complaining about a game it doesn't mean it is broken and unplayable by console standards. In fact, in most cases it still runs and looks better than the console versions.

The way games like Thief, Alien Isolation, Bloodborne, AC Unity and The Witcher 3 run on consoles, for example, would seem horribly optimized to most PC gamers.

moldybread821d ago

@dk,
"why would they treat a platform that makes them less money and risks making them NO money even on equal terms to a platform that makes them bank, even if because too many are stupid and pre-order broken games?"

there is a market, otherwise they wouldn't even bother with a pc port. so let's get that out of the way first. earlier in this thread i used the analogy to that of listening to music. most people now listen to music on portable devices and streaming. the ripple effect to that is music production suffers as far as the dynamics of the sound. it's all compressed and brickwalled. now take the analogy and apply it to gaming. yes you're right in the sense they should focus on the platform that makes them the most money but it should not come at the cost of making the best performing game.

this is why debating with you is like talking to a spelling b contestant who only knows half the alphabet. your views are from a playsation fan, that's all you really care about. you have no empathy towards other consoles or the pc platform. so of course you don't care much about how bad a job they do farming out the pc port. that is why your views have no value outside of that to the same playstation only fans.

@uth11,
"Yes PC gamers show they are willing to spend on hardware. But they expect to pay as little as possible for software, and pay nothing for online. I'm not just talking about piracy, but all the bragging about how cheap the steam sales and humble bundles are."

it's unfair to generalize. diablo III to this day is not properly pirated and it sold millions of copies on the pc and still has a rather high price to it. yes piracy is of course a concern and it's also a concern on the ps3 and xbox 360 and wii. the point is they still see a market there otherwise they simply would not bother porting it. pc gaming is actually on the rise.

"You can't blame devs for going where the money is"

no you can't but that doesn't mean they have to be lazy about it. think of all the arguing that went on last generation where the ps3 was actually the superior hardware but because it did not outsell the competition like the ps2 generation developers didn't take the time to make the most of it. that's why the xbox 360 became a lot of times the default system. so why are playstation fans empathetic towards that platform getting mistreated but don't show the same concerns when it happens to the pc?

DragonKnight821d ago

@Death: You really tried to use the "PC revenue surpassed console" argument? Really? Here are just some of the many reasons that argument is incredibly flawed.

1. The PC game market encompasses far more genres than the console market, including but not limited to genres that have little to no presence on consoles such as RTS' the "Facebook games" genre and MOBA's. For developers who don't make games in these genres, they're making more money on consoles. If they weren't, they wouldn't be focusing on consoles.

2. The Forbes article mentions that what we define as a PC has changed, and so the Forbes article is making the conclusion that tablet, MS surface, and smartphone games count among the PC revenue. Thankfully, the linked PCR article doesn't do that, but it also doesn't do something else which is the next point. But the conclusion that the Forbes article even just implied is a combined 3 platforms of sales under one umbrella term thus padding the numbers.

3. The PCR article literally quotes the DFC Intelligence owner, who proceeds to provide literally no metrics to back up his statement that revenue on PC exceeded consoles, and also no breakdown of said metrics. Without that information, they could literally be doing the same thing the Forbes article implied and we wouldn't even know it. In fact it's not hard to actually conclude that the DFC Intelligence owner is doing this when he also says "There is a blurring of platforms where it starts to get hard to define what is a PC and what is a mobile device," Cole explained." So we don't know what they included in their figures. Are we talking about strictly desktop/notebook PCs or are we talking both of those, plus tablets, plus Surface, etc...?

4. This discussion always comes up when PC gets a game that may as well be labelled a console port. Meaning that PC was never the intended first platform of release. So if we assume that that's the kind of attitude that these devs are having, yet we are to believe that PC makes devs more money, and if we add that businesses go where they make the most money, then logically it stands to reason that either the DFC Intelligence owner isn't telling the whole story and devs are actually making more off of consoles for an undisclosed reason, or there is another factor present either in consoles or on PC that is of greater consideration for devs. Be that piracy, or devs who don't make games in genres like MOBA or RTS, or whatever other factor.

And the thing is, there are more and more reasons I could easily shoot off to refute your use of this tired argument.

"Microsoft is a step closer..."

Microsoft is a step closer to merging THEIR gaming with PC. It's quite obvious to see why. There are 2 simple reasons that have nothing to do with the PC allegedly generating more revenue than consoles.

The first is simple. 2 sources of revenue > 1 source of revenue. Even if PC barely made a dent in revenue, that small amount when combined with console revenue would = more than just one source.

The second is also simple. Ask anyone who has followed MS long enough, or who was a PC gamer back in the day, and they'll tell you about how MS tried to gain a monopoly in pretty much any aspect of the PC market that they could. It took anti-trust legislation to stop them. With Windows 10, they have a trojan horse they can use to appease anyone and sneak in their control measures yet again. If you think Microsoft are simply going to allow Windows 10 to be as open and accessible as the PC market is, you're naive. Count on caveats, rules and regulations, etc.. coming in the future once they've seen a good enough adoption rate. See above for the answer to your revenue question again.

DragonKnight821d ago

@saltybread: "this is why debating with you is like talking to a spelling b contestant who only knows half the alphabet. your views are from a playsation fan, that's all you really care about. you have no empathy towards other consoles or the pc platform. so of course you don't care much about how bad a job they do farming out the pc port. that is why your views have no value outside of that to the same playstation only fans."

I literally could say the same about you since you're just a PC gamer. The old saying about stones and a glass house applies. In case you have even more reading comprehension problems, I never stated my opinion about it being a good or bad thing that developers make shoddy PC ports of games. I offered you an explanation as to why they don't care. It's like how Microsoft treated the original Xbox owners when the Xbox 360 launched. By your logic, Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves for not supporting a console that cost them $1 billion dollars in debt after their newest console released. By Microsoft's logic, they had a new console that needed full support and the older one was costing them more money than they would conceivably recoup and so that attitude was reflected in the support efforts.

WB conceivably had reason to not care about the PC market and chose to instead focus the majority of funding and development on the console market. The right or wrong aspect of it is not what I'm talking about. I'm telling you why the PC port was terrible. Quite simply it's because for WB the cost of catering to that market wasn't worth it. They obviously know whether or not they can expect to make decent money off the PC market better than you or I and it seems they felt that they wouldn't make as much as they would on consoles so they outsourced the game.

If you weren't always so salty with literally every subject that appears on the site and every single person you ever reply to, perhaps you wouldn't be as blind as you always are and maybe, just maybe, you'd stop caring about what other people care about long enough to see the truth as it stares at you in the face.

moldybread821d ago

@dk,

why do you conveniently leave out the part about my music analogy? i already know why they focus on the consoles more than the pc as explained twice now. you are once again taking things to a personal level and arguing just for the sake of arguing.

"I literally could say the same about you since you're just a PC gamer."

so my ps3 and xbox360 are just a bookeneds? if gaming impacts the playstation brand that is when you care, which is why your views outside of the playstation is what they are. narrow and self-centred. there are lots of games made for the pc that don't suffer bad ports like this and likely sold less. so yes the market is less than consoles but that still doesn't mean they should make ports this bad. even jrpg's are not all bad and i imagine that market on the pc is even less.

DragonKnight821d ago

@saltybread: Nothing convenient about ignoring your music analogy. It was blatant because your music analogy is completely irrelevant to what I had to say. Get over yourself.

You said yourself you're primarily a PC gamer, I'd wager your alleged PS3 and Xbox 360 gather dust, so I'm not really inclined to buy your compassion for news about gaming consoles you don't own such as the PS4 or Xbox One, yet there you are in each and every article concerning yourself with what people say, why they say it, and pretending like you're above it all. This is why you're saltybread, because for all your "I care about gaming as a whole" facade, you really don't. What you care about while here is being a contrarian.

And so now I'm going to ask you some simple questions which you will either avoid, or not really answer effectively.

You said this...

"if gaming impacts the playstation brand that is when you care, which is why your views outside of the playstation is what they are. narrow and self-centred."

If all I care about is the playstation brand, why would I be commenting in a news thread that has nothing to do with playstation? As you say, I'm supposedly only concerned with events that threaten playstation, or making playstation look bad, etc... but this article does neither and I'm here replying first to you about your nonsense about paying more for performance, which is wholly irrelevant. Then Death decided to chime in so I replied to him. So explain it please. Don't forget the salt.

2. Can you point out any part of any of my comments where I praised shoddy ports at all. I mean, since you think that all I care about is Playstation, obviously my comments should showcase some kind of elation that PC gamers are being mistreated right? I'll wait for you to show me.

More likely you'll simply continue on with the tactic you failed miserably at attempting to apply to me. That being arguing about me, my motives, blah blah blah, ad hom, ad hom, ad hom.

moldybread821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

dk,
"And so now I'm going to ask you some simple questions which you will either avoid, or not really answer effectively."

i don't run and hide like some people.

"If all I care about is the playstation brand, why would I be commenting in a news thread that has nothing to do with playstation?"

most likely because i am here. it's getting a little out of hand.

"As you say, I'm supposedly only concerned with events that threaten playstation, or making playstation look bad, etc... but this article does neither and I'm here replying first to you about your nonsense about paying more for performance, which is wholly irrelevant."

you are not appealing that they support the pc better. in fact you often see the pc platform as a nemesis to that of consoles and think all the bad stuff that has trickled to the consoles are a result of the pc platform. you came here because i was here and thought it was a good angle to get my attention by giving me some sort of tutorial which wasn't needed. pc gamers spend money on their rigs in hopes they get better results which as seen here is not always the case. the same logic applies to those who buy any fancy gear like hdtv's. should those who bought into blu-ray expect poor dvd transfers?

"2. Can you point out any part of any of my comments where I praised shoddy ports at all. I mean, since you think that all I care about is Playstation, obviously my comments should showcase some kind of elation that PC gamers are being mistreated right? I'll wait for you to show me."

all you did was explain and defend their decision not to put much care into the pc port. put it this way, if a popular game was out on the ps4 but performed worse than the xbox one counterpart you would be complaining. that is why your views are limited to that of the playstation universe. you will speak up when it's of a concern to you. i imagine you likely did the same last generation when the ps3 got shoddy ports. did you explain to everyone why the xbox 360 should get better ports because that's what in essence you are saying here, that the ps4 should get better results because that is where the money is. instead you likely said something along the lines of developers being lazy.

so now that i answered your question are you done or are you going to keep dragging this topic down due to your personal issues with me?

Death820d ago

@DK,

Revenue on PC is higher. You can't wish that away simply because it benefits your argument. That was PC vs. console, not PC vs PS4. The largest audience still belongs to the PC crowd no matter what you want to believe. You feel PS4 should be the only platform being focused on which is ridiculous when you see how big the world really is.

I agree with moldybread. Debating with you feels pointless since you always choose to ignore facts unless they support your argument. You want to only allow high end gaming PC's to count for revenue, but you have no problem including indies which can run on my phone to count as console revenue. I'm fairly certain much of that content runs on the tablets you dismissed.

DragonKnight820d ago

@Death: Replying to you first because it's easy to refute your post. You provided no proof. You provided a link in which a random company said PC revenue surpassed console revenue with literally no metrics, no breakdown, and the implication that tablets and smartphones are now counting as PCs. If all you require is someone's word as proof, then you'll love the Igloo I have for sale in the Sahara Desert. I promise you the desert heat hasn't melted it.

"You want to only allow high end gaming PC's to count for revenue, but you have no problem including indies which can run on my phone to count as console revenue."

Quote anywhere I implied that at all. And since you're so damn interested in adding tablets and smartphones to the PC market for revenue, how about we add handheld devices, secondary consoles a la PS3/Xbox 360/Wii U, and Amiibos to it? Please. You failed to prove anything.

DragonKnight820d ago

@saltybread: As predicted, your answers are pitiful but let's address them.

"i don't run and hide like some people."

Lol, I have several examples that prove otherwise.

"most likely because i am here. it's getting a little out of hand."

Damn, why haven't I won the lottery? Sorry to go off topic but, you seem to think I'm psychic and so pick articles you're going to be in to comment even though I can't know beforehand what article you're going to be in. Get over yourself.

"you are not appealing that they support the pc better..."

So I'm only supposed to make comments that fall in line with your sensibilities. It's my job to tell PC devs how to do their job and to make sure that you PC gamers aren't upset now? You need me to do that after you have already done that do you? Man, this is why so many people despise you. All you do is go around the site telling people how they should comment, where they should comment, even what they should be commenting about. We can say what we want thanks. Don't like it, don't read it. The funny thing is is that you'll accuse me of being only in articles if I can further the Playstation agenda, and yet then get upset that I'm not crying for the PC gamers who were mistreated by WB. The irony.

"all you did was explain and defend their decision not to put much care into the pc port..."

I defended it now. Really? Because looking back at what I said, I never did defend it. Your butthurt over the situation sees me defending it because anyone who doesn't immediately rally against the practice is obviously defending it. What I did is tell you why it happens. I didn't say I agreed or disagreed with it, didn't even hint at an affirmative or negative position, and so now you're going to try and tell me what my position is? Lol, you're so sad. You go around being a professional contrarian and then act like a wounded party when someone doesn't defend your platform of choice.

As to what you think I would do.. you'd be wrong. I don't care if the PS version of a game is better or worse than a Xbox version of a game. Never have. I'm not a graphics whore, I'm not an FPS whore, all I care about is if I like the game and that involves good gameplay, good story, good characters. You can go ahead and look through my comment history for proof of that, since I know you would love to. Try and find the last time I even discussed game performance in a showoff position. I couldn't care less.

"so now that i answered your question are you done or are you going to keep dragging this topic down due to your personal issues with me?"

Funny, for someone who thinks I have a personal issue with them, your answers typically fell in line with you have a personal issue with me. And that's forgetting the fact that if anyone were to take our interactions and put them in a chart, they'd see that any instances in which I first commented to you are few and far between, but you follow me to my blogs and incessantly whine about stuff like "why do you care" and questioning my motives for anything I say ad nauseum. There are 2 reasons I call you saltybread. The first is because you can't accept anyone's opinion that isn't in line with what you think the way things should be, especially me for some reason. The second is because you are a contrarian everywhere. Literally everywhere you go on this site is nothing but your salt over something.

Death820d ago

@DK,

http://gearnuke.com/pc-domi...

http://www.tacticalgaming.n...

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

Sure, if we ignore the paid analysts and tracking firms, then completely wipe out non-gaming PC's and tablets, consoles are the higher revenue makers. The only other problem with your baseless arguments that ignore facts is you are claiming the PS4 should be the main focus of development since they are the gamers that are actually "paying". Last I seen, the PS4 is only one console and doesn't represent the entire console market. So let me ask again, are you sure the PS4 brings in the most revenue? I find it hard to believe since multiple sources which you pretend don't exist say PC gaming brings in more revenue than all consoles COMBINED.

Glad I'm the easy one to refute.

DragonKnight820d ago (Edited 820d ago )

@Death: Once again you post 3 links that make claims yet provide no proof. 2 of the links are from the same DFC Intelligence owner that is grouping tablets and smartphones as PCs. Tablets and Smartphones are not PCs any more than handhelds are consoles. The first link posts numbers, but no breakdown of those numbers. It just posts them as though we're to take them at their word because, hey, a group said it so it must be on the up and up right?

Oh and in the first link, it cites the video game crash but gets the reason why it happened wrong, and it cites an old developer complaint about too many hardware choices on the market which has also been proven wrong.

The video game crash of '83 didn't occur as the result of too much hardware, it occurred as the result of Atari having literally no quality control and allowing software saturation to reach the point where there could be no actual competition. Anyone could make anything and put it on Atari. Clones, broken games, filth, you name it. Since legitimate developers couldn't make money, they just stopped making games. Not until Nintendo showed up with actual quality control did that change.

Then there's the too many hardware options complaint. This was never a problem that had to do with the gaming market crashing and was a complaint developers had due to profit potential. Developers insisted gaming would crash because there were too many consoles on the market back when Sony and MS entered the race and there were 4 main consoles on the market. They were complaining that too much choice would eat into their profit because that naturally means you have to provide more incentive to buy their game. Guess what didn't happen? The gaming market didn't crash and devs moved on to blaming piracy and used games for their woes.

Basically, stop trying to link to multiple sites that all contain the same "study" that makes a general claim and doesn't provide the metrics or the breakdown to back up that claim.

As to this...

"The only other problem with your baseless arguments that ignore facts is you are claiming the PS4 should be the main focus of development since they are the gamers that are actually "paying".

Uh no. I mentioned PS4 to saltybread as a cost example based on his "PC gamers pay more for performance." You read into that as me saying the PS4 should be the only focus and that's pretty much just you trying to put words into my post. When I replied to YOU about YOUR post, I never once focused on the PS4 when saying the developers only care about a PAYING demographic. I said consoles in general. Re-read my posts, and stop trying since you fail every time.

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girlfrommars821d ago

The Sims actually put me off PC gaming

uth11821d ago

It was the beginning of the end for me

Vasto821d ago

Its a difference between buggy and broken.

JsonHenry821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

How many buggy games have the consoles had released? Is it the end of their days as well?

Didn't think so. Now you console kiddies go back to play on your AMD CPUs/GPUs powered consoles and pretend that the PC is some how DOA, lol!

Dragonking007821d ago

I feel they get away from it because they were mostly old games master chief collection, ac unity was broken on every system even pc, lets not forget the biggest fps of all time battlefield 4 was not only broken but last gen got very poor broken buggy port graphics were undeniably a joke ik it was last gen but is far capable of those graphics in that case they would of been better off using bad company graphics because battlefield 4 looked horrible on last gen looked like a ps2 title I lost all respect for dice after they pulled that move I dont plan on ever buying a battlefield game ever again from them ill even tho I can get decent version now that I got ps4 but because of there marketing tatics could selling a 60 dollar product with broken experience to the biggest consumer base there was wat 80 million users on last gen during that time? Sounds about right shouldnt get the boot for game that will get most sales from that system. I just hope wen the next gen comes developers dont give the boot like they did with last gen wen they plan on making a port other wise just dont make that version if you cant deliver decent game.

d3nworth1821d ago

How we all stop buying broken game instead of bitchin over which platform has more broken games. Then they would get their act together.

AD705821d ago

Yep because consoles never have buggy releases right? I guess the 3 months of patching just to play driveclubs online never happened? I guess ultra SSF4 running like shit on the ps4 never happened or the huge FPS issues on consoles for games like the witcher 3, evolve, resident evil HD so on and so fourth?

Or how about last gen with nearly every multiplat on the ps3 running like garbage? Especially games like bayonetta 1, fallout 3, fallout new vegas, dishonored, elder scrolls oblivion and skyrim, COD games, I can go on

or socom confrontation one of the most buggy games of all time?

how about halo MCC on the xbox one that is still getting fixed to this very day? Why is it that when a pc game gets released buggy it somehow applies to everything on the PC. Yet consoles get those games just as often as any other platform and we just sweep those under the rug?

someOnecalled821d ago

Don't forget gtav. But thats not going to happen most of these article come from PS fanboys look at them flock a the chance to say ps4 is better. This is the only time they say consoles as a whole is good but look at all their post they are bashing every platform like its trash. They have the biggest superior complex in gaming. Even PS exclusives launched buggy time to time but somehow it only happens to other platforms.

I'm not surprised every chance they get to TRY to one up PC they come running. You noticed most to the known xb fanboys don't come in these article to bash pc, its always PS fanboys that run this site, and look with the most bubbles. Thanks mods your doing great. Last night ps4 game was the witcher 3. Pc was mad that it was downgrade, PS gamers was mad that it was a slideshow

_-EDMIX-_821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

Agreed. If you game on PC....this is fully understood. Its a trade off that for many is still worth it. Even the most polished games launch with issues on PC, many times just based on simple driver updates, settings etc.

With PS4 and XONE using x86, its hardly "over" its getting larger and more user friendly (ie Steam OS). I'm hoping that MS makes their own version of something like the Steam OS that actually codes an OS to focus on performance.

....soon.

@uth11- 100% agreed, its actually what I want. When folks start going Steam OS, I want MS to make an answer to it as I really, really want an OS fully focused SOLELY on gaming.

uth11821d ago

Actually I'd rather see SteamOS take off and eventually become the new gaming standard. Competition is good.

3/4 of what makes the PC unpleasant as a gaming platform are due to Windows.

kneon821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

@uth11

Steam OS doesn't fix the issue with the vast array of different hardware configurations, that's the root cause of most of the problems with PC gaming.

DevilOgreFish821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

PC is still golden. It's the developer's problem if they can't get their sht together.

3-4-5821d ago

because batman did bad ?

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masterfox821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

PC master race died with the last Release of the original Crysis formula in 2006, I think it was Warhead.

The difference in those days where miles from console to PC, right now difference is just some meters or even way back for the PC, just look at Uncharted 4 or Driveclub and other exclusives.

Eiffel821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

So what does that make Star Citizen? That game is still in alpha and looks better than anything currently out, or will be. To boot it's not even linear unlike those games.

_-EDMIX-_821d ago

I backed that game and still have to disagree. Star Citizen looks great, but its nothing close to anything released on PS4 or XONE, or hell any of the next gen PC titles we've seen lately, ie Witcher III, Batman Arkham Knight etc.

My HD 5770 can play Star Citizen pretty easy bud. Its amazing in terms of concept, I would never argue over how it looks graphically, it can't beat the games releasing today in that department as its using a dated engine.

I personally think the game looks great, has easily the greatest next gen concept I've ever seen even thought of in gaming, but I can never say it looks better then the next gen games being produced.

CryEngine 3 doesn't hold a candle to these new engines being produced. But that doesn't take anything away from Star Citizen, lets not exaggerate how it looks now lol.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

If your PC can play Crysis 3, it can play Star Citizen...

Again, graphics aside, Star Citizen is easily my most anticipated PC title, even with current PC titles being out that graphically look better.

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uth11821d ago

Yup, when I started building PCs, there was no contest between PCs and consoles. They mostly couldn't run the same games, consoles had no local storage.

Nowadays they get the same games, they are built from the same code, so they look and play the same. Yes PC will have better graphics, but often you need to study the screens side by side to even see it. For me the gap has closed, gaming on consoles just removes the hassle.

Shineon820d ago

What's the diffrence between Ps4 and Ps3 DONT Seem That Different To ME Other Then FRAMERATE And Resolution Most of the time it's just resolution GTAV is 30fps on Ps3 and Ps4 #PC Master race!

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Yukes821d ago

I've heard whispers of this mythical master race before, but I never thought it actually existed! Or, at least, I thought it was rightly shouted underground.

fallacious821d ago

you don't want to be part of it. they're cancerous.

Peace_Love_and_FPS821d ago

As someone who is part of the three major gaming communities, PSN, XBL and PC gaming as a whole, I can say that you're 100% wrong. There are d***s everywhere, yes, but for every PC a**hat I've met ~4-5 ungrateful preteens who literally think they are the best at EVERYTHING, and do not stop screaming obscenities into the mic in their high pitched chipmunk voices.

Games like DOTA, CS:GO, they are where you find the virgin-neckbeard types who will scream at you for anything, but the majority are just like us, nice people who love to game.

Case and point when I was on BF4 me and this guy were talking about Hard-line and its mechanics, I said I had it on the PS4, and had just recently bought BF4 on PC. Wgen I explained I'm fairly new to the mouse he didn't scream "NOOOOOOB". Instead he added me on Origin, gave me a link to a site with shooting games to improve accuracy, and then spent a solid 2 hours in an empty lobby with me teaching me tips and tricks. Vastly improved my game.

In VoG on destiny however, whole other story. If there isn't someone yelling "I hate n******ssssssssss!!", or a dad whose child is crying in the room while he's smoking cigarettes and "hotboxing", and I so much as mention that I have an X1 or PC I'm instantly verbally attacked. I could give less of a s*** of course, I'm there to game, don't like the whole childish politics involved, but it goes to show that there are bad and good people in every community.

LightofDarkness821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

No, just the big AAA releases have been dumbed down to conform to console standards. I know console only fanboys like to think they've won something in that but they're literally just cheering on the death of a very free and boundary pushing style of gaming and culture, like some halfwit zealot gleefully dancing around the pyres and ruins of a grander, older civilisation.

Wait for it, lads. You'll get your turn in the coming years when all those kids raised on tablet/mobile controls become the vox populi.

vikingland1821d ago

I hope you're wrong about tablet/mobile games. But I can see that it sure looks like it's happening. Sad really I've ever played a mobile game that's immersed me in it's world.

ginsunuva821d ago

The next generation of kids will have no clue what "immersed" means anyway. They will only know "addicted."

moldybread821d ago

i use music as a perfect analogy. as the younger generation gets into music how do they listen to it? on their ipod or streaming so what is the end result? compressed and poorly recorded albums with the art of dynamic range going out the window.

the same thing happens in pc gaming. the pc is capable of so much more but the dollars go more into console gaming. the irony to all of this is so many console fans will turn their nose to mobile games. guess what, that's where the money is for a lot of publishers/developers. so why is it ok to treat the pc as secondary and support consoles to be the lead platform? which results in games like batman performing poorly while the ps4 runs like butter and they suggest mobile games should not be made?

vikingland1821d ago

@ginsunuva

You guys are ruining my day j/k.

Genova84821d ago

PC gaming is not without its headaches. People just need to wise up and not buy these games until after they've been released and "tested" yes TESTED by real end users. We as consumers need to stop giving money to companies that put no effort into the pc version. I'd rather not get a pc version of a game than a buggy unplayable mess. See MKX. I Would've bought it on PS4 if I knew it wasn't going to run well on pc.

Oh and BTW, mobile is the future! /s