Is Sony's Playstation Now a suitable contender to Microsoft Xbox One's Backwards Compatibility bandwagon in the aftermath of E3 2015?
They serve different purposes but I think any gamer would admit that the one not charging you for games you already own is the one doing it better
yeah but i think with the right subscription price model, psnow is very competitive. I personally think PsNow is more than just about backwards compatibility. I think it might be a possible future platform for releasing first party games. thats much down the road though as average internet speeds and the tech behind it isn't quite ready for it yet.
There really isn't any price model that could get me to use the service. If I'm going to play my PS3 games, i'm going to hook my PS3 back up to my TV to play them before i pay again to play games i already own. The way Microsoft did it is what I and (i would imagine) pretty much everyone else would call backwards compatibility.
I truly believe that this is a matter of false equivalency. PSnow is such a different thing than BC, and Sony have know since 2008 that they weren't going to make BC a high priority with the PS4. 2008 or around that time is when Sony dropped BC for the PS3 which help reduced the price and BC was pretty much history from then on. Microsoft is offering BC primarily because they're finding very difficult to keep Xbox 360 gamers from going to PS4. They had the same problem last gen, which is why $500,000,000.00 was poured into kinect. They simply needed a way to keep the sales from slowing down and keep bringing people in. Now BC is hopefully the answer they are looking for because $150 price cut, 2 Forza games, one Halo Collection, etc is only bringing in about a quarter of what PlayStation is bringing on a monthly bases. 1 million gamers a month chooses PS4 while about 250,000-300,000 makes the choice to go with XBox One. Don't get me wrong, I don't use and don't plan on using PSnow, it's not for me and I think Sony knows and understand that. When I feel nostalgic, I put my TV on input 3 and fire up my PS3 and play PS3 games because I'm still getting free games for my PS plus subscription. That being said, PSnow is Sony looking to penetrate and get to people who never owned a PS3 and/or don't plan on buying a PS4. Where BC on XBox One is mostly aiming at keeping an Xbox 360 player from going over to the competition, which in my opinion is putting just putting band-aid on a gunshot wound. They serve different purposes. I'll answer the question in the title though. No, PSnow is not a contender for BC on the Xbox One, even if it becomes free. On that same token, Shareplay > BC any day of the week for me. Shareplay becomes much more important to a gamer as the library of games grow overtime. Where BC becomes less and less important as time goes on.
Agreed. BC on psnow was like a way to kick things off, just 1 facet; the endgame would b, like u said, 1st party on release, & even 3rd party when they can work it out. That way it can b like gamefly or sumthin: it's rental/preview b4 purchase, but w/out needing to wait for the disc in the mail (unless ur on subscription). As BC tho, psnow is a poor (& not to mention Paid) alternative to x1's BC. I only have a ps4 now, but if news ever came out that x1 would have 360 AND og xbox BC (which another article here on n4g mentioned was eminently doable), I'd feel I have no choice but to get an x1 as well. I still play Burnout 3, JSRF, PGR 1/2 etc. on my 360 on occasion
@kmeck518 PsNow isn't really aimed at you, it has a different target market. PsNow is more for the casual gamer that doesn't have a console, or perhaps someone new to Playstation that just wants to play a few of the big titles from last gen. I expect most people that still have games from last gen probably still have the console to go with it so why use PsNow?
Meh.. I don't need BC.
Except PS now is always online, has downgraded visuals due to bandwidth, has input lag and is only a rental. Contrast that to a system native game that you own. Big difference. People seem to make the mistake of thinking that streaming equals native gaming, it is far from it.
@Viper MS figured out a way to make BC work because it was the number ONE requested feature by all users, not to compete with PSNow. They have been consistently adding ideas from the top of the user voice list and this was a huge one for their fans.
@Cupid "They had the same problem last gen, which is why $500,000,000.00 was poured into kinect. They simply needed a way to keep the sales from slowing down and keep bringing people in." Its no secret MS themselves said that Kinect was a way to expand the life of the 360. Though I disagreed with that but thats a different topic. "PSnow is Sony looking to penetrate and get to people who never owned a PS3 and/or don't plan on buying a PS4." "Where BC on XBox One is mostly aiming at keeping an Xbox 360 player from going over to the competition, which in my opinion is putting just putting band-aid on a gunshot wound." "Shareplay > BC any day of the week for me. Shareplay becomes much more important to a gamer as the library of games grow overtime. Where BC becomes less and less important as time goes on." Just a bunch of wishful thinking. Exaggerated downplay spin about BC ( which is incredible...) and then you run to shareplay which you go offtopic and grasping at anything at that point. Sounds like your making excuses and panicking for whatever reason. You can't give credit where credit is due I expect as much not many people have that ability so, its hard for most ppl.
Cupid Viper has just posted one of the most desperate and delusional comments I have seen on N4G in a long long time.
@ Dewitt You're absolutely right, though what you're saying is not exactly contradicting the point I made. Had the Xbox One been in PS4's position, there's a lot of changes we're seeing now that simply wouldn't have happened. And yes, giving your fans what they ask for IS part of keeping them from going over to the competition. And nothing is more important for Microsoft right then "giving in" to their fans' demands if they hope to actually close gap between themselves and the PS4 sales wise. @AngelicDiamond "Sounds like your making excuses and panicking for whatever reason. You can't give credit where credit is due I expect as much not many people have that ability so, its hard for most ppl" And then this is a line from what I wrote above: "I'll answer the question in the title though. No, PSnow is not a contender for BC on the Xbox One, even if it becomes free." I'm not sure what more credit I'd need to give BC here. I just admitted that even if PSnow became free, it would be inferior to BC on Xbox one because of the streaming nature of PSnow. But I get your point though, I'm not praising it to be a megaton, and pointing out that there are more important features out there than it, so obviously I'm panicking... Smh Dude you need to take a chill pill, I'm well aware of what BC is, I've had it for 2 whole generation of gaming (PS2 and PS3). So I'm expressing my views and opinion on the matter based on first hand experience with the feature. Or as you put it, I'm "panicking"
PS Now is a flawed business model that offer neither the casual gamer the experience they want, nor do the core gamer. So who are Sony selling to with their overpriced model?
@TheGreatGamer I don't think they serve different purposes though...psnow may have a different method of delivery and allow access through other devices without a ps4 but the main purpose of both is to allow gamers play old games.
I tried the ps now beta UK here although the service works it didn't lag for me but you do notice the downgrade in the visual dept. I was playing infamous 2 and it did start to bother me that the image wasn't sharp. And yet the service isn't free and I think at its current cost it's far too much. So no it's no match for the x1 backward compatibility.
Why are you comparing PS Now with the BC of XBone? If PS Now are BC in PS4 so what is on PS3? And when PS Now start to receive PS4 games, in PS3, PS Now will be frontwards?!? PS Now is a rental service!!!
But it's totally different. I was a PS3 owner last gen, and so to play any of the backward compatible games, I'd have to buy them all first. For 360 owners who bought a PS4, they can instantly have access to 100+ games for $15-20. Whether it's a good value all depends on your situation. I think the sad truth of it is that by the time the backward compatibility has a decent list of games it can play, nobody is going to really care anymore. BC is something that is nice when the console first launches, but when you're 3 years in, it doesn't have as much importance.
If you didn't own a 360 (or did but sold your games for credit towards next gen) then you still need to pay for XB1 BC, either by paying for gamefly or paying for preowned. With PSNow, although you are paying to play, you can play those games without needing a PS4 by streaming through certain TVs or anywhere you get wifi through the Vita or any mobile device that supports it. Both have strengths and weaknesses. I'd say the better question to this debate is: Why so we need backwards compatibility? If there aren't enough new games to play, then bring on BC. However, we're deep into this gen and each system has well over 100 games (with many more to come) so why go back and play inferior prequels to games?
If b/c isn't needed, why has Sony invested so much to make the PS3 library available to PS4 owners? The same argument against free b/c kills PSNow. The difference between this gen and last isn't that big as far as visual fidelity goes. Indie games look generations older and they are making money hand over fist on todays consoles. The market for playing older games is very viable. The only ones saying it isn't needed are the ones that don't have it.
Picking and choosing which of my points to argue doesn't some how make your response correct. PS Now is a games streaming service, not a backwards compatibility service. It's for streaming PS3 games, and which platform did it come to first?? The PS3. It's also on the vita and in smart TVs. So you don't even need a PS4 to use the service. What happens if you don't have an XBox 1 or a 360 but want to play Halo 3?? What are your options then? The end game for PS Now is to stream PS4 games, and in the future, stream new games without needing discs or a hard drive. If you stream a new PS4 game using PSNow then your BC argument is gone.
PSNow's open beta hit PS4 first. The official launch also happened on the PS4 months before it hit the PS3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... About the only way you can claim PSNow hit the PS3 first is if you were part of the internal/closed beta. As far as the public is concerned it's always been on the PS4 first. You are correct though, Vita and select HDTV's can also access the service along with tablets and smart phones in the future. What if you don't have a PS3 or PS4 and want to play Uncharted? Last I checked Vita's and PSNow compatible HDTV's weren't free. Pre-owned 360's cost less than a pre-owned Vita at Gamestop. I'm guessing the HDTV is a couple bucks more, so your argument that you don't need hardware to access PS3 games isn't based on anything factual. You are still avoiding the fact that Sony believes the back catalog of PS3 games has value. The only choice to access these games on a PS4 is thru the subscription service. Microsoft is offering access through free backwards compatibility as well as the option to buy the games digitally and run them through the same emulator that is making b/c possible. Both companies seem to believe "old" games have value. This is why we "need" backwards compatibility which is the question you originally asked.
Yet I still own my ps3 and about 90 games, I have not even thought about playing any of them in the last year since moving my ps4 to the prime spot in the lounge. Ps3 is still connected and could play my games anytime.but all it is used for is streaming Netflix and nowtv for the kids. BC is dead for me and I believe that for most people it will be a fad for a couple weeks then put to bed forever. Playstation now will never entice me either. Sad to say, I'm going forward not backwards
* PS now is good if you missed a game in a series and want to just rent it and beat the game, but it's not a long term solution to anything and I think even Sony knows that. * I'm wondering if they put BC into a new PS4 model near holiday 2016.
Bubs up and bubs up to the reasonable people who agreed with this. I thought for sure there'd be people in here talking about how awesome it would be to pay absurd prices for old games.....or something. Really wish MS and Sony could have pulled a WiiU and made it easy to do BC from the start. edit: well I guess I spoke too soon. Listen guys, it's simple. FREE> NOT FREE
Yeah, when it comes to BC, Wii U is the example to beat. PS Now is the example to avoid, especially with the current absurd pricing structures. I remember when people were expecting to stream their PS3 collection for free and I was like the only one doubting the concept based on my knowledge with cloud gaming and the associated business that it involves.
PSNow would be fine if they got rid of all the rental fees and just charged like $25 a year subscription fee. They could even do a pay as you go $5 a month charge. But noooooo, Sony wants to be greedy with PSNow. I think after seeing XB1 B/C they may change their pricing on the PSNow. ***************************** ***** @VsAssassin Yes and you have to PAY to play those games on those other devices and the games are streamed and you don't own them. Yes, there truly is no comparison. True B/C is better in every way.
I am a huge Sony fan and PS3 and PS4 owner. BUT IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE THE XBOX ONE BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY IS SUPERIOR.
Is PSX/PS2 BC so much to ask?
How so? Was it not all last generation one not charging for online game play not as good as those that layer for Xbox live gold, because one company charging can make their network better with cost paying by consumers making sure the network is better than a free option? Would that very same thing apply now, would making consumers pay allow backwards comparability be better as you go along than the free option, because money is going back into the service making it better? Or is still free the better option now over layer service investment making a better service?
If they serve different purposes, isn't it hard to say one is better than the other. Yes, a car is going to be better than a house at getting your around, but that's a stupid comparison, even if they both hold people. And that "games you already own" stuff is such tripe.
No. It's not available for every PS4 owner, and for the PS4 owners that can use it, they are required a recurring payment. Sony won't let players stream their PS3 collection for free on the house. This is way too expensive on Sony's part.
agreed there is no comparison
obviously not :D
Nope, not even close when you have to pay top dollar for it.
Does XB1 BC require XBL Gold? Just an honest question. PS Now doesn't require PS+, but those rental prices are too high as you said.
XBOX ONE BC is completely free (no GOLD needed).
I definitely say no
Isn't PS Now on Samsung TV's now? Not to mention on my Vita! Tough to compare playing 360 games on a X1 to PSNow considering PSNow is portable. No, it's not BC. BC is awesome to have and I wish every console had it. How many times did I play PS2 games on my PS3? Like 2 or 3 times max! BC is nice at the beginning of a consoles launch....two years in, you should be more excited about the current and future games on your "new" console.
Plus the promise of PSNow is gaming without a console. You can game with only a capable TV and a PS4 controller. They also said that mobile devices will also support PSNow. So yeah, there's no comparison.
I prefer BC. Xbox One's BC has no network-dependency, no/less latency, better visuals, probably eventually more games supported, and costs nothing if you have the game.
DigitalFoundry was showing the games running slightly worse on xboxone. Like Perfect dark zero and some others, but the videos were misteriously removed.....I wonder why.
Well most of the issues more than likely are because of the forced v-sync and minor emulation issues. If they could just get rid of the v-sync and fix the issues it would almost be perfect from the looks of it.
Maybe because its early access at the moment. It's not yet available for public consumption. Nice trolling though :)
BC is in beta. What DF also didn't tell you, was that the games look better load faster and don't have the pop-in graphics issues they had on 360
How many times is someone going to say " they run worse on xbox one " without mentioning that its still in BETA
I think its really simple for Sony to get around making you pay for games you own. Pop the Disk in your PS4 and it will verify you own it, keep it in the PS4 if you want to use PSNow on vita or another device, and it can check it. No?
No. But that doesn't mean it's not good. If you look at it now it's not but if you look at the long term of psnow you will see it will have ps1-ps4 games on multiple platforms like tvs, phones and tablets. We could possibly see the ps5 or ps6 being a small little streaming box run through the cloud.
Not even remotely.
Precisely. There is no contest. Especially when one is FREE. Free. Playing old games may not be a big deal to some, but the cheaper method to play games you already own will always be more valuable because you already bought your games once. Microsoft could have done it the PS now way, but streaming games is just too stupid an idea when you have MS software wizards at your disposal.
??? Nope. Its not even the same thing, not even slightly. One lets you play games you own, one charges you to play games through streaming. I'm not even sure how one can compare the two lol. PS Now is a streaming service for PS games that you can use on PSVita, Vita TV (I think so anyway), PS3 and PS4 etc. You pay for it, its not to play games you own as that makes no sense. You can....but that is not what the service is for as again..that doesn't really make sense. XONE's backwards compatibility....is just that. Backwards compatibility, it isn't a service, its not on 360 (lolz, clearly) There is no answer for BC on PS4. The only answer to that is this... http://www.amazon.com/gp/pr...
Backwards compatibility on the Xbox One isn't just about playing the games you already own. The games are downloaded off of the Xbox store at no charge if you have a physical copy or if you bought a digital copy previously. If you don't own a copy, you will be able to buy a digital copy from your console and start playing. The business model is based on the digital store front. B/C is a byproduct of this and a perk for people that already have the game. The next logical step is to bring this emulation to Windows 10 PC along with the 360 library of games. This will bring in a much larger audience of gamers and more sales opportunities for the available games. Depending on system requirements we may see this hitting a broader range of devices. If they can bring 360 to Surface that would make for a pretty amazing gaming device on the go.
"isn't just about playing the games you already own" Neither is PS Now. The point is on XONE, its a free service if you own those games and even if you don't, you can still buy them to support the program at no extra cost in terms of the feature itself. Regardless of how you get the games, either digital, physical before, after etc, its not a service that is charged for. I think we all know that you can buy a 360 game after XONE's BC patch is released and play it in the XONE, lol, I don't think anyone is believing that you must have OWNED them before the patch in order to use it ever, that was just stating what the difference was in terms of main uses, not only uses. "The next logical step is to bring this emulation to Windows 10 PC along with the 360 library of games" Not sure every publisher will be on board with that as they still have PC versions of many of those titles, ie EA, Ubisoft, Acitivion etc may not want that as they have their own services on PC. It depends though. This has from what I've seen, been the best use of the Win 10 OS on XONE.
PSNow has nothing to do with playing the games you already own. Sony hasn't made a solution available to gamers for doing this. They didn't do it with the PSP UMD's when they went digial and they have no plans of doing it for PS4 owners. PSNow is a rental or subscription service available to Playstation gamers along with some TV owners. I think the confusion lies with those that initially thought PSNow was going to be free.
BC emulation will always be a better option, even on 10~20 years from now. My apologies, but good connection and licensed games only still in a limited countries and will always be for another 2~20 years.
Nope. BC is free on xbox. Its also native to the xbox.PSnow is a streaming service designed to be used on devices that are also not PS branded, in the future. PSnow might do well in TVs, PCs and other non PS devices. And that might even decide what form PS5 takes. in the bigger picture, MS windows/XBox unification strategy and sony's game streaming strategy point at two very different paths . But also perhaps a shifting in the traditional console model in years to come.If the number of PSNOw subscribers who dont own PS devices becomes a significant factor, sony will be thinking about that. PSnow might even be what PS5 will be. if it becomes successful. Maybe even PS5 games launching on PSN at the same time as the hardware, with a backwards catalog of PS1,2,3 and 4 titles by then. removing the hardware price of entry to new gamers.
It needs to let you play games you already own for free otherwise there's no comparison
Please! One is free for the games you already own and the other require you to rent a stream service with lower quality and things like tropies, gamerscores, saves, playing online with last last gen console, DLC are not included and can't be carry over for a seamless gameplay experience to a new platform. It is night and day. Xbox won in BC and it is not even a contest at this point. Edit at Tesal yup, as of right now, the games on PS Now are just the vanilla bare bone version and that lies the issue with the limitation of streaming vs native BC locally in the hardware itself. Sony really shot their foot with trying to monopolize the streaming game business when they bought Gaikai and OnLive.
Hold on a sec, NO DLCs ? with PSnow Steaming ? Sony lost it for now for sure. No matter what they say about PS4/PS3 BC - emulation is a key and an easy road to follow with more profiting for both side at current age and time. I hope they do not forget PS1/PS2 on PS4
There is a huge difference. Ps now =Netflix for games, hundreds of games at your hands, switching in and out not having to worry about the price or trying out random games Bc = can play only previous gen titles that you own but it's free
The prices are ridiculous
Double of Netflix yet games cost 3times more than your average dvd. My plain point however is these 2 things aren't competing. They are not the same
New games cost much more than new DVD's. I'm not sure used games cost three times more than an average DVD. Used Blu-ray prices probably hold a better value than used games, but it really depends on the game and how old it is. Netflix has many more movies than PSNow has games in their limited subscription package. It's about as apples to oranges as you can get. The PSNow monthly sub is a sample of the games you can play with most of the "good" games not being available in the subscription.
Welp, it benefits Sony the most. I guess those that haven't played the older titles as well , (I heard the prices are horrible though...) as people who sold their console. Ps now is useless to me, because I keep my old consoles and games. I was really hoping i could sell my ps2 and 3. Oh well.
How is this even a question ? One you gotta pay for. The other you wont. You will also have the option of not being forced with digital but also physical. No question that its not a contender
Your paying for a stream of games you don't own. While bc it's only free if you own the game So yea a lot different
Do you want to pay 15 to 20 bucks a month to access a bunch of last gen titles you can purchase at the $5 bargain bin that you'll likely never finish or for the most part have no interest in playing besides a handful, through an internet connection with worse image quality and performance than their retail and digital counterparts, and no option to stream games you already own, with the only advantage being able to stream games on different devices. Or would you rather just buy the game you want for cheap or access a disk or digital download you already own through your next gen console natively for as long as you want with no extra charge?
If you want to play an old gen game and you dont have it, you have to pay on each solution. The thing is that if I want to play an old game I rather pay and stream it that having to go to gamestop and buy a physical copy of an old game in order to play it. But, I don't play old games anymore. I am really busy with current gen games.
You don't have to go to Gamestop for a physical copy. You can use a digital copy you already own, or you can buy it from the Xbox store all from the comfort of your living room. This is more about ownership than it is about convenience to me. PSNow removes ownership of the games you play. Backwards compatibility adds value to ownership since it allows you to play the games you already own. I'll withhold judgment for the games we can purchase after we see how much these games will cost.
They are not contenders. PS Now is platform agnostic. XO bc is platform specific. Having typed that, bc on PS4 is theoretically possible. AMD’s GCN GPUs mirror CELL’s SPU RISC design strategy, In-Order execution paradigm and SIMD computing method. Because Ken Kutaragi’s CELL is a heterogeneous hybrid C/GPU and the “precursor” to all APUs, it allowed Mark Cerny to use the CELL’s SPU Runtime System (SPURS) software as a guide when customizing the GCN GPU part of the PS4’s APU in order to replicate SPU computing via GPU Compute. Emulating CELL SPUs for bc on the PS4’s GPU is within the realm of possibility but SCE would have to determine that diverting its software engineering resources to such a task is worth the cost. *PS3 - 1/2009 - Page 40 - Dr. Andrew Komornicki, Gary Mullen-Schulz & Deb Landon: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com... … Each SPE contains a RISC core… * PS4 - 1/20/2015 - Kotaku: http://www.kotaku.com.au/20... Known as ‘Graphics Core Next’ (GCN), the HD 7000 range featured a RISC SIMD architecture … * PS3 - 8/17/2005 - IBM: https://www.research.ibm.co... The SPU is an in-order dual-issue statically scheduled architecture. * PS4 - 12/21/2011 - Anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/sh... … As we mentioned previously GCN is an in-order architecture… * PS3 - 1/1/2006 - Page 3 - H. Peter Hofstee: http://www.ece.sunysb.edu/~... Although the SPE is not a VLIW processor… Sept/Oct 2005 - Page 10 – Osamu Takahashi: http://carbon.ucdenver.edu/... … The SPE implements a brand new architecture. This article describes the low-power design of the dual-issue, 32-bit, 4-way SIMD SPE. * PS4 - 6/2011- Michael Mantor & Mike Houston: http://developer.amd.com/wo... Slide 7 - AMD Graphics Core Next Architecture - Compute Unit Architecture Slide 19 - 4 SIMD non-VLIW 4/15/2013 - Dominic Mallinson: https://www.youtube.com/wat... @~8:36 - … CELL was the precursor to today’s APUs, very much a heterogeneous architecture. 3/30/2013 - Part 1 - Mark Cerny: http://www.neogaf.com/forum... … And of course, the existence of an APU gives us the ability to come close to the results obtained from the SPU. 4/24/2013 - Mark Cerny: http://www.gamasutra.com/vi... For PS4, we’ve worked with AMD to increase the limit to 64 sources of compute commands -- the idea is if you have some asynchronous compute you want to perform… alongside the graphics that's in the system… This concept grew out of the software Sony created, called SPURS, to help programmers juggle tasks on the CELL's SPUs -- but on the PS4, it's being accomplished in hardware.