The veteran designer shares his thoughts on what's right and what's wrong with the industry
I tend to agree (about the VR being a fad), I think it's going to be like the first Kinect which sold what 8 million units or some crazy number the first holiday and now look where it is. People get pissed when they hear MS still wants to use it. I feel like most of the people praising it are either industry insiders who basically are yes men, and people who haven't tried it. It's fun for an hour then you get sick of having it strapped to your face. This is one tech I'm not going to early adopt that's for sure.
That's my feeling. It may get big, but it won't last.
how did his prediction for Epic Mickey turn out?
How did 3D gaming turn out?
Well Warren is fully backing AR: "AR, on the other hand - that seems pretty exciting. There's some potential there. Even the low-hanging fruit of AR gaming seems compelling. Bring on the AR."
eh, I don't see that taking off for gaming either. Especially not a scenario where AR succeeds and VR fails. We like full immersion in our game worlds.
LOL, that doesn't even make much sense. He thinks AR will do well, yet VR is the fad? Even though you can have AR with VR? I question just how much he is supporting AR then, we can have both.
This is a Xbot article.
I think for the most part VR will fair better then Kinect. At least - *flameshield on!* Morpheus over OR in the general market because its more accessible. If its more accessible, given that there's still too little known about. Only the conjecture that it wont need a PC to stream games from a console. Currently has directly supportive games that do more than project into a virtual theater. Even then if it survives past any real period it will probably be because of media supportive features like projecting movies/TV shows into a virtual theater.
While I do agree the VR is much better than Kinect I thinks what's going to kill VR is the amount of VR options that will be on the market once VR takes off....the market will be saturated with VR head sets from cheap to expensive. What made Kinect so popular was that it was practically the only device doing what it does.
@Fin_The_Human: That's why Morpheus has the best chance: Its only associated with the PS4. Meanwhile, Kinect didn't work. No to the degree MS promised to where it was going to replace normal controllers. It never even got close to preforming like that.
I think VR is going to do well because it's being approached from two difference perspectives. Sony is handling getting it going on the consoles, and Occulus is working hard to get it working on the PC. Occulus itself has really sold the tech to the gamer up to date, and Sony is just going to extend that to another market which has people that often feel the same way about games as their PC counterparts. There's a lot of excitement for VR and the support is there, which is a lot different than prior ventures into the market where there was really only one option, which was lackluster in implementation, and had no support outside the hardware maker itself
Ive used VR quite a bit with the DK2 kit and I can tell you: its the future. If you tried it you would know. It is simply an experience that you must try before you are made a believer. Coupled with the fact that you cannot properly show how great this tech or apps can be to the masses. VR is being used today. History channel, Disney, PGA Golf, NASCAR, Sony, Facebook, are all vying to get products ready for the VR launch. These are some major backers that just happen to be hopping on this 'fad'. There is a massive future in VR applications, gaming being just one of them. The sheer thrill of riding my Xwing or walking around Dinosaurs kept the DK on my face for hours on end. I am very confident consumers will feel the same after trying one out.
Totally agree, i love my DK2, along side my PS4, best piece of tech i have bought in years. Playing Project CARS, Elite Dangerous and Alien Isolation with VR has been a game changer for me. Most of the people who dismiss Vr have never even tried it.
I have never used VR before so want to know what's the longest period of time that you have used it for?
@fin The longest time gaming was over an hour with Elite:dangerous. The max time I could do Battle of Endor was 30-45 mins due to latency. Buuuuut.....Ive been on Windows VR for hours and hours. Having a huge, rounded virtual desktop with 3d icons is pretty sweet. I cant wait for multiple windows you can just turn your head and start the application. One of the coolest apps was Cineveo. Now I only got the demo (its gone gold now) but it plays 3d movies in your own theater. Or in space. Or on a floating ship. Or a 50's drive in diner. I watched an entire 3d movie in the demo and it was surreal. No more progressive glasses or visual tricks for 3d simulation: it literally shows each eye a different view. This makes 3d movies and images scary-real. Sorry for the rant, but its hard to put the time playing with DK2 in perspective.
@FIN - Played Alien Isolation for well over an hour and lots of other games on the Gear VR but these are typically shorter experiences. You can't match the true sense of fear you get in these first person horror games. Many a grown man has faltered playing Dreadhalls lol. Then there's the VR characters/Porn stuff which is something else being able to move around 3D models. Watched loads of movies for over an hour on the Gear VR though. Sometimes you need a few seconds break and then it's back to it. As mentioned, the 3D effect is much better than what you get using a TV and glasses and the big cinema feel is impressive.
I spent most of the weekend "Jacked in" playing Elite:Dangerous, no issues. (Sorry for the Matrix pun)
I've messed around with friends Oculus Rift dev kit and its downright amazing. Compared to the Kinect its really in whole other ball park. Kinect gets old after an hour, I can spend all with an Oculus Rift strapped to my face. People praising it aren't just industry insiders, anyone can buy the dev kits. People who say its a fad have never used one yet. I never seen one person not get blown away their first time using it or even their second time. You play for 20mins and won't want to take it off.
Have you used it? And for over an hour for that matter
Tbh you don't notice it strapped to your face once immersed. Well, I don't and I've played mine for multiple multi-hour stretches.
Says the man who was behind two Epic Mickey games
VR > AR easily. VR = FPS on an alternate galaxy or on the Beaches of Normady AR = Laser tag in your backyard with "lasers" I see VR as a natural progression of Video Games, we all want a Holodeck or "To be Jacked In" to the Matrix. I assume those to be the ultimate gaming experiences possible right? VR is just a stepping stone (like marijuana is to developing a heroin addiction!...j/k) Camera gaming was a stepping stone, Motion gaming was a stepping stone, PS9 here we come!
And that's going to depend on wireless tech, which so far as I know isn't a thing.
Oh my. Read that headline a bit wrong. For a moment I thought VR was coming out of the closet. Now if someone could please help me to understand who this Warren Spector fella is and why I should care what he thinks I'd be grateful. : )
He made deus ex and a bunch of other games.
Wing Commander (1990), Origin Systems Wing Commander: The Secret Missions (1990), Origin Systems Ultima VI: The False Prophet (1990), Origin Systems Bad Blood (1990), Origin Systems Wing Commander II: Vengeance of the Kilrathi (1991), Origin Systems Wing Commander: The Secret Missions 2 - Crusade (1991), Origin Systems Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 2: Martian Dreams (1991), Origin Systems Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss (1992), Origin Systems ShadowCaster (1993), Origin Systems (Uncredited) Ultima Underworld II: Labyrinth of Worlds (1993), Origin Systems Wing Commander: Privateer - Righteous Fire (1993), Origin Systems Ultima VII Part Two: Serpent Isle (1993), Origin Systems Ultima VII Part Two: The Silver Seed (1993), Electronic Arts Wings of Glory (1993), Electronic Arts System Shock (1994), Looking Glass Technologies CyberMage: Darklight Awakening (1995), Origin Systems Crusader: No Remorse (1995), Origin Systems Thief: The Dark Project (1998), Looking Glass Studios Deus Ex (2000), Ion Storm Austin Deus Ex: Invisible War (2003), Ion Storm Austin Thief: Deadly Shadows (2004), Ion Storm Austin Epic Mickey (2010), Disney Interactive Studios Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two (2012),
And therein lies the problem. VR evolved and continues to evolve. Specter hasn't. His issue is relevancy.
@yarbie1000 Impressive. Thank you Yarbie1000.
Totally, Fully, Wholeheartedly, Completely, Honestly and Truly Agree!
You surely haven't tried it then.
Man, I kind of hope he is right since I have zero interest in it, but it does seem to be picking up steam. This isn't just some gimmick like 3D and I could see it having a huge impact on gaming, even if I won't be along for the ride.
Why do you hope he is right because YOU have no interest in VR? How is having VR available to others that have a lot of interest in it going to detract from your enjoyment of non VR games?
I'm surprised you're asking! The answer to this question is pretty simple. I like gaming the way it is. I'd be disappointed if some of my favorite developers and franchises were released as VR-only games. I could definitely see that happening down the road. Whatever happens, happens. I'm not going to sulk about it. I just don't want to see VR account for a huge chunk of development resources. For me, it's better spent on traditional gaming experiences. Edit: Also, this is taking things a little off topic, but do you have kids? I'm expecting my first little one in October and I'm not thrilled by the prospect of him wanting to spend half the day with a VR helmet on his head. This just isn't a tech that I want in my home, and kids being kids and wanting what they want, the more it proliferates the harder it is to shield them from it.
To me his reasons sounds very weak: "I don't think most humans want to look stupid" "they don't want to isolate themselves from the world" "I mean, if someone's sneaking up behind me with a baseball bat" ... After playing Elite: Dangerous with outdated Oculus DK2 I'm totally convinced about VR - and I don't even like Elite: Dangerous, but the experience was still amazing. Comparing VR to Kinect is just silly. Kinect is just a new clumsy controller for very simplistic games. VR takes you into the game and you really feel like to be there. This will be the first generation of VR (we can forget VR glasses from 80s and 90s) and they are already very good.
he says its bad because everyone looks stupid in a VR headset he is just a stupid clown
color tv was a fad. rap music was a fad. HD gaming? who needs that? people are still saying 3D is dead and was fad despite the fact that just about every major action/sci-fi movie is being made in 3D. Now VR (before the general public has really been properly introduced to it) is already being declared a fad!? Can it even be a fad without a large number of people being enthused about it first?
No one ever claimed 3D movies were dead; although I think they are making less and less of them lately. But 3DTV & 3D gaming are dead dead dead. As for VR being a fad, well, if all it takes is a large number of people being excited about it, then yes it's a fad.
VR IS 3D gaming. A large number of people have to be excited about it, and then that excitement has to go away. The only people that really that know that VR is on the horizon or gamers and tech heads that are into this stuff. My mom has no idea that VR is about to be offered to the masses.
It's way (way) too early to make that call on it being a fad or not. It won't even be determined for a few years until we start getting the 2nd and even 3rd generation of vr/ar. We won't be able to really tell how well it is adopted and the staying power until they are affordable due to market economics and volume, and the use expands beyond just gaming to things like movies, porn, and maybe things we haven't thought much about like education or engineering. It's a lot less likely to be a fad than sensor tech like Kinect or the Wii.
Are the screens in the VR headsets stereoscopic 3D?
If sony is jumping on the VR bandwagon then it is a fad breh
thank god kids are smarter than this old geezer and will understand the next level vr is bringing.
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