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The Controversy-Mongering on Shenmue III’s Kickstarter Is Really Rather Sad

During Sony’s press conference at E3 2015, legendary Shenmue creator Yu Suzuki announced the kickstarter campaign for Shenmue III, which is sitting on $3,551,116 at the moment of this writing, with 25 days to go.

Unfortunately, among all the joy, that also created some controversy, and that's really rather sad.

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DarkOcelet826d ago

I really think journalists seriously need to STFU and let this game be funded in peace. All that negativity will lead to this game not to be made. Is that what they want? SMH!

"Full disclosure: the author of this opinion piece backed Shenmue III on Kickstarter at the $29 tier, and he’s damn proud of it. Haters gonna hate."

Thats a great thing Abriael and journalist should follow suit and keep their mouth shut.

yarbie1000826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

Exactly, how dare journalist ask questions. Actin like that's their job or something...completely insane

Abriael826d ago

There's a very big difference between asking questions, and getting pissy if those questions aren't answered, or giving your own answers to create controversy.

DarkOcelet826d ago

^^^^This!

Abriael put it in the best possible way.

MrSwankSinatra826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

Well it is a journalists job to fact check which they clearly haven't done when it comes to shenmue three's kickstarter. Sorta how you keep trying to submit baseless articles that are full of misinformation about shenmue three's kickstarter.

I'll just leave this here and show you how a journalism is supposed to do his job (besides Abriael's article of course which is good work).

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

nicksetzer1825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

I have no problem with the game, in fact it coming back is great. (Despite the method) However, Sony promoting a kickstarter for a game they are already actively funding and using the kickstarter as a way yo gauge customer interest is not good. As well, yu pushing for this method is just as bad, if not worse.

We know for a fact Sony is funding marketing and developement, yet they are asking fans to fund the game also? Again, I want these same people praising this practice to tell me how they would feel if MS or nintendo announced a game for their console but required fans to fund a kickstarter in order for it to happen. I know for a fact everyone would be uproaring, as they should be. But this isn't the case here, wonder why. In fact, people will make up lies and call you a fanboy for stating such with actual quotes.

Also, on a seperate note. For those who are bound to claim Sony isn't funding it (as has been the case every time despite me pointing out these links) here is proof, for you to ignore:

"Shibuya Productions CEO Cedric Biscay – whose company is co-producing Shenmue 3 – confirms in a tweet that “Sony is providing various supports, including marketing and investment, to YSNet."
http://www.gameranx.com/upd...

"We’re going to help Ys Net get the game done, we’re going to be partners on it the whole way"
http://www.crowdfundinsider...

There is no way to interpret that incorrectly. Marketing does not "get a game done" and marketing is not partnering "the whole way" as marketing is usually the last couple months of developement to release. Noone has said anything different. In fact, shuhei mirrors this here:

http://www.gameinformer.com...

Says nothing about marketing, but also mentions very specifically helping "make" the game. Marketing again doesn't in any way "make" a game.

Even more to the point, adam himself said "we are providing money" and then followed later to say they are also doing marketing. Why would he say they are giving money to them, then seperately talk about marketing? The answer is that it is not just marketing they are supporting.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

@swank a journalist to you is someone who ignore facts and quotes and makes up their own story based on hopes and dreams? Sadly, yes that is the way journalism works now, but it is hardly how it "supposed" to be done.

Aloy-Boyfriend825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

Nick

All you Xbox fanboys do is play the butthurt card. "Omg had MS done this" "Oh MS, oh MS" damn when is this gonna stop?

It's the Kicktarted method the cause for controversy, not companies. The same could have happened if it was them with the Xbox boys instead defending it. As I said below, MS never showed interest in Shenmue III considering thwy could have fundet it or somehow help the creator if he knew he wanted to make shenmue. Sony probably noticed the Shenmue fans asking for it and did what MS or Nintendo didn't: Seek the creator. But, you think any company is gonna throw money on a cult classic whose last game flopped hard? Even in this state of gaming where gamer's attention are mostly on Shooters and fetch quest open world? I don't blame Sony for using Kickstarter to see people's interest. The fact many fans donated shows the don't care about this or are upset like some called "Journos." They just want shenmue III at any cost, something Sega was unwilling to do.

This is all that matters. Besides, it's not like they asked a lot compared to Projet Cars 2' 7 milli goal. Sony is still funding the rest. Go and complain about PC2. Oh wait, it's multiplat...

BitbyDeath825d ago

@nicksetzer1,

Shenmue is owned by Sega not Sony. FYI
Sony has made a business deal with Sega obviously but ultimately Sega has control over everything including how/who funds it.

nicksetzer1825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

@kuapika hmm excellent argument, call me a fanboy followed by a "butthurt" mention. Classy. I am such a fanboy, i never call MS out for BS and I never praise Sony for good choices, right? Just because you are a hypocrite who is willing to hold two different standards for MS and Sony doesn't mean I will.

"MS never showed interest in Shenmue III considering thwy could have fundet it"

Then following it up with completely made up stories based on nothing but delusion. Worse yet, you could say the same about sony, yet conveniently ignore that.... you got the N4G bait and switch down. You even made sure to add a down vote as if that makes the facts posted wrong ....

As I have said before, if you want to fund games for major publishers, fine, I have no problem with that. Why is it such an issue that I don't want that. I don't want it to become a trend where we have to raise ____ dollars to get a game, from any publiaher, MS, Sony, nontendo, activision, etc.

@butby "Shenmue is owned by Sega not Sony. FYI"

And? .... that has nothing to do with what I said. In fact, that just reminds me, sega should also be blamed for allowing this shady business move.

@daniel where did I say ANYWHERE that Sony was funding the entire game? I'll wait. Sadly you will get upvotes for making completely fabricated things up to diminish thw fact I have just proven you wrong 3 times, but I could care less about votes if you have to be a liar and hypocrite to get them on this site.

"Sony was not funding the game when the Kickstarter was announced. Plain and simple"

False. They were funding it, they just had a condition, that the kickstarter get 2 million. You can relisten to the adam boyes video linked above or the gio corsi comments (also linked above) if you think otherwise. Which in all honesty is eve worse. They essentially held their funds for ransom unless consumers invested in the game.

Also, if yu decided this method before Sony was involved at all
"So we set a goal for $2 million and said if the fans come in and, you know, back it then absolutely we’re going to make this a reality."

Why did gio say "we set a goal" and even said they were planning to back "if" it was funded for that amount.

DanielGearSolid825d ago

Nicksetzer

Sony was not funding the game when the Kickstarter was announced. Plain and simple

Adam Boyes said they had two options. Get a greenlight from higher ups by trying to convince them in board meetings. Or let the fans show the higher ups how much they want the series to continue. Only then did the Get the greenlight to HELP fund the game.

They aren't funding the entire game like u keep trying to make it seem.

Yu suzuki decided Kickstarter b4 they even approached Sony.

Sony isnt getting any money from the Kickstarter

BitbyDeath825d ago

'And?'

That makes your rant null and void due to it not being a decision from Sony. We know Sony are co-funding it, however they don't hold all the keys.

Also leave Sega alone, they aren't exactly swimming in cash these days and if Kickstarter is what they need to get games out the door then I have no problem with it.

Those who back the game get the game so it is really just a pre-pre-order.

DanielGearSolid825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

What? How can they be actively funding something and holding their funding for ransom simultaneously?

Youre clearly determined to hate on this. It's really a shame lol

Yu said he started brainstorming the Kickstarter 3 yrs ago. That was his idea from the get go. That one fact makes everything you're saying a moot point

Edit: Also to your other point. I didn't say YOU said Sony were funding the whole game. I said you were making it seem that why by insuating they make the final decision on whether this game gets made or not.

All Sony did was wait and see with their funding which they had every right to do. Nothing was held for ransom.

nicksetzer1825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

@daniel "They aren't funding the entire game like u keep trying to make it seem."

It is hilarious, because I never said that at all, in fact, my atory now is EXACTLY what it was originally, just with more facts to support it as you guys continually change your stances. Man, you guys are something else.

First I was wrong because sony wasn't giving any money at all and yu said the kickstarter was the only cash flow. (Even though he never said that)

Then it was just for marketing and I was just taking things out of context.

Now, we accept that sony is paying for developement, just not all of it. But I somehow said they are. You guys move more goalposts than a politician.

@daniel "What? How can they be actively funding something and holding their funding for ransom simultaneously?"

if you say I am going to give you 100 dollars if you eat that worm. You are actively funding something, on the basis that the demand is met. That is howevery contract is written and that includes gaming. The fact that you don't understand that speaks volumes about your understanding of this situation in general.

If you think actively funding requires an immediate hand-over of cash you have just proven to me you are not only too blinded with bias to listen, but also too uninformed to even understand.

There has never been a multimillion dollar project that did not have a cintract that has clear and cincise dependencies on recieving said lending. Using money from the consumer as that benchmark is not good. Yet you don"?'t even understand that this requirement exists.... seriosusly, the people on this site sometimes...

When we have a market where games being created all become dependent on kickstart funds to "show interest" my "interest" in gaming will be gone. Sad that you guys are not only letting it happen, but actually praising it just because you can't say a single bad word about sony...

MrBeatdown825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

Sony should do what the big publishers normally do...

Wait for someone else to solve the funding problem, then throw money at them for some form of exclusivity.

Helping them from the start is just bad business!

Sony should be the ones completely funding this PS4 and PC game for some reason! Otherwise, they should be the good guy and not help them at all.

If I was funding a kickstarter for something, I want to know that publishers and platform holders don't give a crap and won't invest until years after I put my own money on the line.

That's the way it should be! Shame, Sony! SHAME!

DanielGearSolid825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

Im one person I didn't move any goal posts.

I never had a problem with Sony helping in the first place.

You're making it seem like they are controlling the project behind the scenes. And u simply dont have any proof.

You're trying to portay a "Kickstart this or else we dont make it" scenario when in reality it's a "we can't make this. We've been trying for 14yrs we need your help" on Yu suzuki's side. And "We cant back this unless we prove to our bosses its worth it" on sony's side.

Edit: ok nick continue pretending you were present during the contract negotiations. Your assumptions arent fact. Not all contractual agreements are written exactly the same

Edit 2: Also I find it hilarious that u keep bringing up I'm defending it bcuz its Sony and im a fan of Sony, yet you bashed someone earlier for doing the same thing to you.

nicksetzer1825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

@daniel "You're making it seem like they are controlling the project behind the scenes. And u simply dont have any proof."

So I ask where I said "Sony is funding the entire game" and your response was to repeat yourself just use different words?

I never said that, I never said anything like that. You are just making up things in your mind, which you would see by simply rereading my comments. You have deluded yourself so far that you truly believe I am saying things that never happened.

Even worse, i didn't say Sony was not going to fund the game without the kickstarter passing, gio corsi did, one of the leaders for Sony. Also I didn't say that Sony was funding the whole game, at any point, even that quote doesn't say that, it just said Sony would not be one of the firms giving funds.

To be clear, here is the quote you are blaming me for saying, despite the fact I didn't. Also, nowhere does it say in the quote (from gio corsi) that they were funding the whole game. Nor is it implied by him.

"So we set a goal for $2 million and said if the fans come in and, you know, back it then absolutely we’re going to make this a reality."

Edit: "Also I find it hilarious that u keep bringing up I'm defending it bcuz its Sony and im a fan of Sony, yet you bashed someone earlier for doing the same thing to you."

I called you a fanboy? I called you a "fan of sony? Where? I simply said:

"When we have a market where games being created all become dependent on kickstart funds to "show interest" my "interest" in gaming will be gone. Sad that you guys are not only letting it happen, but actually praising it just because you can't say a single bad word about sony..."

Is that incorrect? If so, I ask again, had MS or Nintendo went on stage at E3 and presented crash bandicoot as a wiiu/xb1 and PC game and requested fans give 2+ million to a kickstarter, at which point they would invest. You would be ok with that?

DanielGearSolid825d ago

Fine. OK you didn't say that. I was completely incorrect.

Yu suzuki said this game cannot happen without KS.

Sony helping funding doesn't mean the game will automatically be created.

The Kickstarter isn't solely to gauge interest. Simply because Sony isn't funding the entire game. (Which is why I kept bringing up that point)

Sony's decision to use it to gauge interest is well within their right tho. It's their money.

The only difference from other Kickstarters that get (or announce) publisher backing later is they promoted it on their e3 stage. Which is bad why?

The money isn't going directly to Sony, they have no ownership of the project.

Outside_ofthe_Box825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

Here are links and quotes that state word for word on Who's responsible for the kickstarter and Where's Sony's money is going toward:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

" Q: Will you collect a development cost by kickstarter alone?
A: No, by aggregate of YS NET's independent fundraising and kickstarter. "
***********( Why did he not mention Sony if Sony is paying for development? Answer that nicksetzer )***********

"It began from my suggestion (to SCE), that is "Are you interested in Shenmue 3 project?" "
***********(Seems like Suzuki approached Sony)***********

"In such a situation, I got a chance to talk with SCE, and they thankfully told me:
'It is important title in gaming history and everyone desire(to revive), so if you develop Shenmue 3, although it's exceptional, we will cooperate you' "
***********( Notice how Suzuki states that Sony told him that if HE develops the game. nicksetzer will ignore this, but picks and dissects other quotes that fits his agenda )***********

"But I had reported that I want to do it with Kickstarter, so we took such style"
***********( Another quote nick will ignore)***********

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAm...
"I will say this: if we reach the $5 mil mark, one of the things I really want to do with Shenmue 3 will become a reality.
At $10 million, it will truly have the features of an open world."
***********( If Sony is providing the rest of the payment for dev costs since the kick starter reached 2 mil why would Suzuki say this? )***********

http://www.escapistmagazine...

"But it's a Sega IP and of course Suzuki Yu-san is the creator. So somehow Suzuki-san was able to work out with Sega to allow them to Kickstart the project. And because we liked the project, our third-party relations team struck a deal to help Kickstart the campaign at the E3 conference"
***********(Suzuki "somehow" got Sega to give him permission, nicksetzer never mentions this I wonder why?)***********

"SONY will not get any money from the KS, they will help to finance the PS4 version and will also help for advertisement."
***********(Finance the PS4 version and help for advertisement is EXPLICITLY stated here. Notice how NOBODY can assume or jump the gun and say that he meant 'fund development' because he literally states what the money is for. No "Marketing and marketing" here nick) ***********

Again, IF nick was truly being "objective" about this he'd slow his role and question whether he knows the whole story or not, but he isn't.

I have provided quotes that contradicts the notion that Sony is funding development for Shenmue. I even have a quote that literally states that Sony is financing the PS4 version and providing advertizement. That alone should stop all arguments. Instead of explaining why Suzuki omits Sony's involvement in development nick chooses to ignore them.

Oh well.

--Onilink--825d ago

Why is it that so many people are acting as if the only way to fund in kickstarter doesnt actually gives you the game?

Those complaining about Sony measuring the response through KS, whats the problem? It can help us get games publishers might be reluctant otherwise. The people who backed it are still getting the game, its not like you are just giving away your money, you will get the game...
And if the KS fails, you get the money back

Simple as that

nicksetzer1825d ago

@outside man this reply is completely unecclessary as nothing youposted contradicts anything I have said, but I want to show you noneof tjose things are ignored. They just don't change anything. First, I request you answer my previous comment, your reply to that is enough to prove my point.

That aside:
"Q: Will you collect a development cost by kickstarter alone?
A: No, by aggregate of YS NET's independent fundraising and kickstarter. "
***********( Why did he not mention Sony if Sony is paying for development? Answer that nicksetzer )***********"
~~~~~~
Easy, look up the word aggregate, it means a collection of elemnts. Which does not disclude somy at all, I'm not sure why you think it does. They didn't mention Sony for the same reason they didn't mention any of the other individual investors. On the other hand, take the 5seconds to scroll up 6 comments and you will see 5 quotes stating Sony is paying for marketing and developement.

"It began from my suggestion (to SCE), that is "Are you interested in Shenmue 3 project?" "
***********(Seems like Suzuki approached Sony)***********"
~~~~~
Yes, this seems pretty clear at this point, not sure what this has to do with anything I have stated though.

""In such a situation, I got a chance to talk with SCE, and they thankfully told me:
'It is important title in gaming history and everyone desire(to revive), so if you develop Shenmue 3, although it's exceptional, we will cooperate you' "
***********( Notice how Suzuki states that Sony told him that if HE develops the game. nicksetzer will ignore this, but picks and dissects other quotes that fits his agenda )***********"
~~~~~
Yes, again, it is pretty clear yu and his team are responsible for developing the game. Nowhere does it say financing the game. You do realize those are different things right?

""But I had reported that I want to do it with Kickstarter, so we took such style"
***********( Another quote nick will ignore)***********"
~~~
I will simply quote myself on this
"As well, yu pushing for this method is just as bad, if not worse."

""I will say this: if we reach the $5 mil mark, one of the things I really want to do with Shenmue 3 will become a reality.
At $10 million, it will truly have the features of an open world."
***********( If Sony is providing the rest of the payment for dev costs since the kick starter reached 2 mil why would Suzuki say this? )***********"
~~~~
I never said they were paying "the rest" I said they are providing money for developement and marketing for a game that they requested their fans money for.

nicksetzer1825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

""SONY will not get any money from the KS, they will help to finance the PS4 version and will also help for advertisement."
***********(Finance the PS4 version and help for advertisement is EXPLICITLY stated here. Notice how NOBODY can assume or jump the gun and say that he meant 'fund development' because he literally states what the money is for. No "Marketing and marketing" here nick) ***********"
~~~~
As I have already said, it is completely obvious the kickstarter money wouldn't go to Sony that is illegal. However the fans who funded the kickstarted get No financial return, Sony WILL have a return on investment for sales of the game on their console. Simple as that.

""But it's a Sega IP and of course Suzuki Yu-san is the creator. So somehow Suzuki-san was able to work out with Sega to allow them to Kickstart the project. And because we liked the project, our third-party relations team struck a deal to help Kickstart the campaign at the E3 conference"
***********(Suzuki "somehow" got Sega to give him permission, nicksetzer never mentions this I wonder why?)***********"
~~~~
Because it would have nothing to do with my comment. Same reason I don't talk about how I like shemnue1 or 2. It isn't relevant to what I am saying. As are most of the things you posted it is OBVIOUS that he got Sega's permission, what does that change?

"Again, IF nick was truly being "objective" about this he'd slow his role and question whether he knows the whole story or not, but he isn't."
~~~~
I have provided multiple links for everything I have stated. Links which are relevant to my statements. You requesting me to include irrelevant links hardly chamges that.

"I have provided quotes that contradicts the notion that Sony is funding development for Shenmue. I even have a quote that literally states that Sony is financing the PS4 version and providing advertizement."
~~~~
it is ironic, you claim your info contradicts what I have said(which it doesn't) then you go on to claim sony isn't funding development, followed by saying sony is funding the PS4 version. You do realize that is developement don't you? Not to mention you didn't post a single thing that stated that to be the case anyway.

I did however post 5 things, 2 of which literally seperate marketing funds and other funds.

Hope you feel better now.

@onilink I see no problem with your logic, you like the kickstarter method and it is not an issue for you. I personally do not like them using kickstarter as a means of measuring interest and balancing their funding on that aspect. We simply disagree on that, and that is fine. At least you aren't trying to deny that sony is giving money toward this project.

rainslacker825d ago

Well said Abriael. Sums up perfectly why people are so annoyed with gaming journalism nowadays. Quite possibly your best comment ever.

Outside_ofthe_Box825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

Okay we are going in circles so this will be my last comment on this subject.

Yes, Sony is paying for the PS4 version, but it is a port. They aren't paying for the game from scratch. The kickstarter is doing that which is for the PC version.

http://www.escapistmagazine...
Towards the end, "they will help to finance the PS4 version and will also help for advertisement"

This is the only instance where funding and marketing is separated AND where we also get a CLEAR statement of what the 'funding' is for.

I'm done.

Cueil825d ago

I got pissed... almost pulled my funding out of principle... I'm not even mad that Sony did this I'm just mad they were not up front with it.

tiffac008825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

@Nick

You are right, if MS helped Yu with the Kickstarter and funded the game. They would get the same flack as Sony is getting right now but you would be on the opposite end of it too. lol!

@3-4-5

We have game journalist? I thought Kotaku already proved that to be a myth. xD

sinspirit825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

@nicksetzer1

This isn't Sony's decision to crowd-fund the game. Get over it. They are providing support for the game but the developers themselves made the decision to stay independent and gain extra funds to make it a bigger production. Sony doesn't call the shots and they aren't going to fully fund this game if it isn't a 100% exclusive property. It's not their property. Get over it. They are just doing what they can to make it a success because it's one of the highest anticipated games of all time and it's coming to their console. The more funding and more publicity the better as it is associated with their brand, even though it's not their own property.

Articuno76825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

Yes. How dare a journalist ask questions based on faulty/unproven assumptions as if they were fact! It's not like checking their facts is part of their job or something...

Don't get me wrong, both Sony and Ys Net need to sit down and break traditional business ettiquette to give us a 100% unflinching idea of what is happening here.

But journalists over the last few days have just ran into one debacle after another. It's like no one checks their facts.

UnHoly_One825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

There is one thing about this whole deal that doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I don't understand how anyone thinks they are going to make money off of this project.

Whether the kickstarter is gauging interest, or whatever, they are basically selling pre-orders for 29 dollars. Less than half the price of a typical retail game release. They are up over a few million already, but from what I understand, the last game took something like 50 million to make.

So I guess my question is, how does "gauging interest" via a kickstarter really help when you are selling the game at half price and only raising a fraction of the development cost?

Not to mention, this isn't exactly an Uncharted, or a Halo, or a Call of Duty. It's not a mainstream title that is going to sell 10 million copies. Almost everyone that has been demanding it for the last 14 years is probably going to jump on the kickstarter for 29 bucks, right?

I just don't see how they plan on coming out ahead.

I'm not in the business, and I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, or how much money Sony plans on putting into it or whatever, but the numbers just don't add up to me at all.

They weren't confident that they would make money doing the game the "normal" way, but by selling pre-orders for 29 to most of the people that would have bought it for 60, now they think it will be profitable?

I just can't figure out the missing piece of this puzzle.

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3-4-5825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

* Journalists/media need to be jailed for their lies.

That would stop that BS pretty darn quick.

( not just video game journalists & media )

Articuno76825d ago

Nah, because then we'd be accused of taking videogames too seriously... as if writing about them for a living somehow doesn't involve that...

SlapHappyJesus825d ago

No.

They are taking advantage of a system, and setting a precedent in doing so.
This is a crowd funding system, mainly used for smaller projects to acquire the funding needed to get their projects off of the ground.
It was a means to create something when all other avenues failed, or at least compromised the integrity of the project.

I am not okay with it being used by big business in gauging just where they should invest their money.

Kleptic825d ago

^that, plain and simple, is what happened...Boyes said it precisely himself...

no idea why people are acting like the controversy was 'made up' by the media...Sony used kickstarter as a marketing gauge...Boyes said 'it would've taken a long time to get the higher ups to approve getting involved with the game' or w/e, and then stated that the kickstarter money, and fan approval, got their attention 'faster'...it doesn't get any more clear cut than that...

I'm not for or against this game in particular (in fact, honestly, i don't even really know anything about the series)...but 'big' game publishing and development is currently as risk free as possible...Sony let the risk fall on consumers before getting involved...period...who cares if this money came after the kickstarter already happened, as if it did...that isn't negative towards Sony, that is towards Sega and the creator...

and, worse, what this creates...whether anyone will admit it or not...is restrictions...a company like Sony doesn't just hand over some 'marketing money' and 'help with the PS4 version'...there is A LOT more to it than that, which is exactly what crowd funding is supposed to prevent...

cheameup825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

all I can say is good luck everyone who paid for a game that might come out in 2 AND A HALF YEARS in Dec 2017 , or might not

I'm a ps4 owner and I don't support this new take on game development for consoles

I really feel if this was MS doing this there would be so much more bad press

SoapShoes825d ago

Please if MS were doing this you'd have articles stating how Xbox is the greatest thing since sliced bread and how Sony's days are over.

Even with three bombshells we still have lots of people in denial saying Sony's conference wasn't good.

calvincrack825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

MS would have taken more heat. Im 100% positive.

My beef with MS regarding shenmue is this: I played #1 on the DC and loved it. But then, due to licensing issues regarding Shenmue 2's release in the NA being cancelled for DC in favor of xbox, i never got to play shenmue 2. For me it was the biggest moneyhatting bullshit stunt MS had pulled and it was the beginning of things to come. I never bought an OG xbox but by the time i had an xbox 360 i got shenmue 2 to play via backwards compatibility, the game had already aged poorly and i couldnt get into it. I MISSED MY CHANCE TO ENJOY SHENMUE 2 IN ITS PRIME DUE TO MICROSHAFT

Kiwi66825d ago

Wrong as you and several others would bash the hell out of MS if they did this sort of thing and there would dozens of articles saying how its wrong and bad for the industry

Aloy-Boyfriend825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

Had MS done this, it would have been the same and xbox boys would be defending it and showing excitement over Shenmue III. Be glad the game is finally being made after 14 years. That's all that matters. What Sony and the devs do is none of anyone's business

Besides, it looks like MS never had interest in this considering all that Phil said was "Don't know. It's Sega's IP. Can't talk about Shenmue III rumors" about coming to Xbox even though the fans on Twitter requested it. What does that tell you? Now Sony made it happen

I don't blame them for fearing this game would flop considering what gamers nowadays focus the most this gen: shooters and fetch quest open world games. Making a survey wouldn't be that reliable. If haters can give 0/10 o exclusives they can't play on user scores, you think thethey wouldn't just select, "Meh, not interested" Or whatever seeing it's only PS4 and PC?

Kickstarter is the best way. Donate to see Shenmue back if you were a fan of the series. Donate enough? Get a free copy or a discount. Not bad! What matters is the game is happening

cheameup825d ago

it's all a choice. No matter the game I wont support this practise and thats my choice .I do hope all the fans get the game they want. but I'm doubtfull. I feel this is going to end badly

Insomnia_84825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

I don't understand why ppl is making a big deal out of this. That's how Project Cars started and they just announced another crowd funded target of $11mil for Project Cars two.

I say, anyone who didn't put a cent into this or any other kickstarter should stfu!

Cueil825d ago

I was angry and I'd be angry is Phil pulled this... the difference is that Phil would have had the nuts to come out and appologize

Ahmay825d ago

I never played 1 and 2, will buy 3.... I did not donate though.... I almost did... I'm excited for all the fans who r happy...

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cbuc1125825d ago

There is no MIGHT. The game is funded. Completely. The more funded it gets from this point, the more content we get. Simple.

Maybay825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

It's being kickstarted, so it should be releasing on multiple gaming platforms besides the ones listed (Xbox one, and Wii U). Sony isn't paying the full funding necessary, so they shouldn't have the rights to a console exclusive.

Bayonetta 2 was fully funded by Nintendo; Wii U exclusive.

Shenmue 2 funded by Microsoft; exclusive.

Shenmue 3: kickstarted, Private 3rd party source funding, Sony. It unethical how the how thing came to be.

Tomb Raider fans pummeled Microsoft with hate speeches and texts for the timed exclusive of the next TR game. Even though Microsoft paid for that privilege, they still received flack for it.

Don't be hypocrites. Either it becomes a multiplatform title, or Sony will always be seen as ''opportunist'' ; in my books.

rainslacker825d ago

MS only funded the US release of the game on the Xbox. It didn't do any of the funding for the actual game that originally released on the DC...that was all Sega.

So basically, Sony's involvement in S3, is the same as MS involvement in S2, except that Sony will be handling the PS4 release worldwide, and giving it some marketing, as well as showing support for the entire project by helping to get it going. The only difference really is who is funding the game's actual production. Will they give more support? Maybe, but as of now that's not the case despite what many people seem to want to present as facts.

But yearh, Sony is pretty unethical for advertising a KS for a game that people have happily said they'd KS...SMH...the leaps of logic of some people are extraordinary. I mean, it's not like Sony would benefit from publishing the game on their own system, which in itself is probably going to be costly enough to not make a KS goal on it's own...and would likely be well above $2 million dollars. SHAME SONY SHAME.../sarcasm(spelled it out because I doubt you'd get it)

Also, it already is a multi-plat title. Technically, it's a PC title on the production level, but Sony is paying for a port. MS is welcome to take the opportunity to port as well, but they need to get in touch with Suzuki who is getting his own investors for the production of the game.

Think of it this way. If Sony didn't put any money into the game, then PS4 fans wouldn't get S3. it'd be PC only for now. Seems the problem is that people misunderstand the details, and assume things wrong. All Sony really did for the actual production of the project in general was to give it some very visible time at a major press conference. Other than that, the money they're putting into it is entirely serving their interest, and will not take away or add directly to the production of the game itself.

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szenkapotamus825d ago

I just don't get why this is such a "big deal" for people getting upset over the kickstarter thing. The original two didn't sell extraordinarily well and cost a lot of money. It's the only way this game is getting made. If you want to wait and see how it turns out do so, but there are plenty of people who have been craving this game for many years. Stop trying to make them feel bad for paying for something they want.

I get the idea that this could turn into a bad practice, and today I think we saw an example of that with Project Cars 2 already being announced and wanting $11 million dollars to fund it.

Evaluate each on their own merits though, Shenmue III is not the same situation as Project Cars. Just my two cents.

DrRobotnik825d ago (Edited 825d ago )

Haters are gonna hate, but its OK because us real shenmue fans are going to experience a 14 year dream come true. That's all that matters. Just smile and nod at the non fans and tell them "everything will be OK, COD 20 and AC 35 will be out in a few months."

rainslacker825d ago

Except the haters are turning the whole KS into a negative thing, which is supposedly turning some people off the KS campaign. There are those that take issue with Sony funding the game, and the devs asking for money at the same time. In their minds, this game is just associated with Sony's PS console now, and not as it's own independent project. To many they think that there is no reason to fund the game because Sony has lots of money to put down on the game.

The fact that these things aren't true doesn't change the perception of what people believe. It's a bad situation for the funding of the game, because the KS had to meet certain goals to get a higher quality game, yet the misinformation is spreading faster than the truth, and it comes down to assumption, shoddy journalism, and outright lies.

Because of the haters, the final product could actually be much less than it could have been, and sadly, the reason it's happening is not because it was a KS campaign that led to some major publisher funding, but because of it's association with a particular platform. It's console war BS, and it's sad like this article states.

Just look at the PC gamers on this topic, not a single one of them seems to gives a rats ass that Sony is involved. They are happy to get the game, and if Sony puts in the effort to make part of it happen, then they are just as happy for that. In fact, most of them get pretty pissed when people try to make it into a console war argument.

REDDURT825d ago

I think it's just the Xbox journalist.

rainslacker825d ago

Wish there was some sort of accountability for websites that report misinformation or lies. I dunno...maybe if there were a way to ban sites that did such a thing.

Journalist that focus on a single platform aren't inherently bad, it's only when they slant their reports to affect another console negatively that they become nothing more than the cesspool of the internet.