There's a very simple way the developers can avoid the backlash of the century. They just have to make sure that Final Fantasy VII REMAINS FFVII. That's it.
People are crazy if they think square isn't gonna change the combat system to something more in line with 15. Just look at who the director is. Nomura doesn't ever direct turn based games. With that being said it isn't the combat system the made 7 great it's so much more
Square is crazy if they think changing 7's battle system to be more in line with 15 won't tank the entire franchise.
All I want them to do is upgrade the graphics to this gen and improve the animations, otherwise they should leave everything else alone and I mean everything, such as the materia system the battle system the story the characters, everything, just make it look like a current gen game.
Are you mental or something? FF15's demo is better than any of the Final Fantasy games that have spawned over the past 10 years, we want FF15 gameplay tweaked for FF7, seriously now, play the old FF7 for turn based combat. Tech has moved on since the 90's dude, know what I mean? Edit: Just to add a little bit more value to my comment, I've spent just under 30 hours on Episode Duscae, finished every quest and enemy the new update has to offer, there is NO way you turn based nostalgia folk can deny the rest of us this ~ https://www.youtube.com/wat...
They should just keep the turn-based system optional.
@Army_of_Darkness Do you know how hard it is to have 2 gameplay ? It would be impossible for FF XV for instance . But maybe they can do an RPG mode like FF Dissidia : https://www.youtube.com/wat... .
@Twiggy: As you say, tech has moved on since the 90's. So, why do we still have action-RPGs? They're SO outdated, having originated in the 1970's. We should have moved on from them by now, right?
No matter what they'll do, they can never please everyone, so instead they should just focus on making it the best game they can, in their own way. Some people want the old combat-system, others will feel that didn't work and is outdated, and others will feel the art-direction should have stuck closer to the original. Personally, I just want the game to have the Japanese voices to be included in the western release.
True true! However the one group they really should try and please are the people who have been waiting for this for 10 years! I don't think Final Fantasy games really pull in many new players now, that is why many of the FF13 games didn't do very well - they were trying to target a new audience, but all they ended up doing was turning off their true fans. FFXV is shaping up to be a very good game, god knows we need a great Final Fantasy game again, but we don't need two games releasing so closely to both follow a very similar formula. We will see though!
If Square do decide to go with an English-only game, I hope they make the characters slightly less stereotypical-sounding this time around. I couldn't stand Cloud and Aerith's voices in Advent Children and Vincent's stilted monotone in Dirge of Cerberus, though Cid and Yuffie's voices eventually grew on me.
@starrman1985 I am a big FF XV fan but i agree , every Final Fantasy should be innovative . They maybe have a new type of gameplay which can please everyone , we never know (^.^) .
* FF7 allowed you to turn off ATB right??? Why wouldn't they include a similar option ? Did you all think of that or no ? Why do people always argue like things can only be one or the other. So arrogant. * This game is going to be awesome, and I don't think they dare mess with anything they could truly peeve the fans. * Expect this: Updated Visuals, Additional combat system similar to FF15, Added side story elements to either the beginning, end, or possible veer off in the middle for an extra side story. * I don't expect them to change the important plot elements but I do expect a few extra hours of gameplay in there and even some extra cut scenes to help flesh out the story.
"I don't think they dare mess with anything they could truly peeve the fans." "Additional combat system similar to FF15" The fans are peeved. If you mean the game will have ATB AND 15's combat, I highly doubt that. It would be ridiculously complex and expensive.
Please keep it turn-based, Please keep it turn-based, Please keep it turn-based, Please keep it turn-based....
I would prefare they keep the battle turn based,but its not a game changer for me.really I'm just glad that this is happening
C'mon now people, I've been arguing with many of you about this for the past few days, I doubt very much they are going to keep turn based gameplay, why? because of how well recieved FF15's gameplay has become, I want a remake, not a HD make over with the same old gameplay. As incredible and heart pounding as it was back in the day, I don't think I'd get much of a sugar rush from playing turn based again, if I want turn based I'll play the old FF7 on my PS1 y'know? fingers crossed for a proper remake. @ Knifefight: Sure, but surely after playing Episode Duscae or hell Crisis Core.. or even Kingdom Hearts, you'd much rather play a Final Fantasy 7 with that gameplay style in hand? turn based FF games are over with dude, thank FF13 for killing that for many of us. Out with the old in with the new.
"Still turn based" doesn't mean "same old." There are many different turn based systems. But sadly, I believe they will remove the turn based system instead of just modifying it. Modification, I'd love. Complete removal seems like making a different game instead of RE making one. To me.
The problem with making it like Kingdom Hearts or FFXV's gameplay is that we would then only be allowed to control Cloud and nobody else. The remake doesn't neccessarily have to be turn based, but not allowing us to control more than one character would be a big mistake IMO. If Square could somehow make it a fast paced battle system where would control all the characters, then that would be great.
I have enjoyed FFXV's battle system. But I can see reasons for both sides of the argument. In an action RPG you don't really have to time to control more than one character. But hopefully they don't change it to an action RPG.
It's cool if you like hack-n-slash gameplay, and it looks like that totally works for FFXV (seriously, that looks awesome), but I'd still prefer turn-based for a FF7 remake. The strategy involved in turn-based games is similar to that of chess. And like chess, it's a proven gameplay mechanic that remains timeless. There's absolutely nothing wrong with or outdated about it. Many of us grew up with it and that's what many of us want.
Turn based isn't really that strategic. It's easy comparing it to chess cause in both games people line up to perform their task, but other than that, turn based is rather easy. The materia system- now that's where you needed thinking and trial and error, but the materia system is not the battle system. It could work with any other battle system as well.
What you're saying has less to do with the mechanic itself and everything to do with the difficulty of the game. I only made the comparison to chess because there's usually several pieces on the board with unique purposes.
You vastly overestimate how well XV is being received. You're looking purely at the fans of the game, and have no idea how many there actually are. You're going to be very surprised at how low the sales will be.
turn based or gtfo
OMG these sites are trying so hard to get much click as possible..
I will laugh my ass off if this game end up like FF13 without open world features and instead focus on ''talk/chat'' ''Fight'' and then ''explore'' and then cut scene again!!
Everyone's worried about story and battle so here's something new to haunt you: SE making a cel-shaded Final Fantasy VII.
Personally I don't care if is turn base or battle system. I'm gonna play it bcs of the story. Ps: I got a feeling it will be battle system.
“Even if we were only making the graphics prettier for a next-generation machine, I don’t think it would exceed the original version. If that were the case, the original International version will be available on PlayStation 4, so you could just play that and be done. " -Nomura (src : http://gematsu.com/2015/06/... ) . Nomura told you guys , most of the old FF XV team moved to the FF VII remake team , this game will be something between FF XV and FF VII AC , SE ALWAYS wanted to make a playble FF VII AC . Follow Nomura advice and buy the ps4 retranslated port of FF VII if you just want the original version .
Yup, it was always a given. He wanted a playable vision of FFVII: Advent Children Complete. I remember him stating that way back on the blu-ray.
As long as it has turn based combat like the original and not one of these stupid new combat systems Square is always trying to ram down people's throats I will be happy. Also skippable summoning animations.
I must know... Are the golden saucer games like snowboarding getting redone :D?!
People are always crying about something. They finally announced a game they didn't want to touch because everyone wants it and now they need to do this right. Let's just be real. They are thinking about the masses not just the people who played the original. They want it to appeal to those who once played it as well as the younger kids that never experienced it for whatever reason. As long as the story captures me as it once did then I will be happy. The Action Role Playing system of FFXV is amazing regardless of how oldies think of it. If they choose to keep it turn based... you will have to accept that it will not be the same old school turn based system. CHANGES WILL BE MADE WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. Stop crying and just allow them to make the best possible game. We are lucky that they are even doing this.
You're half right. They need to appeal to the younger crowd as well as the older crowd. Here's where you, and many others, are wrong: THEY CAN DO THAT WITH A TURN-BASED GAME! Turn-based is unpopular because it's always made as shovelware. Nobody understands what a turn-based game done RIGHT is like. This is Square's chance to literally SAVE THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY from collapse. Add in this variety, make the younger fans finally UNDERSTAND the allure of turn-based, and make the industry BOOM.
Here is where you misunderstand... I didn't say anywhere in this that it can't be done with turn based. I said "If they keep it turn based you will have to accept that it will not be the SAME OLD turn based system". Read before you comment please. I'm a huge fan of this game but I'm not letting any fanboy BS precloud (no pun intended) my judgement. You guys need to stop doing the same and half ass reading comments because it prevents you from making a point that matters.
i read that they confirmed it's a complete remake, not a remaster. So expect a new story, battle system, everything. Yeah i won't buy it.
Remake != change everything. You're thinking of a reimagining.
They need to include subtitles and a voice volume control so I can tune out the voices when they inevitably frag up and pick a 10 year old girl with a drug problem to do the voice acting for Yuffie/Aerith/Tifa. Anyone remember Lymle? https://youtu.be/0zmnUi5NzT...
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