"Do you have a theory on why the game needs a crowd funding campaign?" Asa from Gameondaily wonders about why such a seminal title would even require Kickstarter funding and wonders about the dangerous trend it might possibly set.
I think the reaction from the live audience would have been enough to tell how much Shenmue were popular among hardcore players...
Whatever it takes to make it finally happen.
Exactly. I don't give a Shit so long as the game is being made.
I'm starting to think these sites are getting funded by Microsoft to put out such ridiculously stupid articles. They've explained several times on PS Blog why they chose Kickstarter. SMH
@Nirvana not sure about MS paying random games sites, but I do have a sneaking suspicion that the playstation blog is loosely affiliated with Sony.
For only $30 I am guaranteed the arrival of a AAAA title and a copy and when it's done, what's there to complain about? Beats pre-ordering normal titles that'll DLC you to death and then come out w/ a GOTY edition later. This game is worth supporting even if you've never played the original. Just look at the love for this game it's guaranteed to be good.
EDIT: Actually nevermind. I don't know much about kickstarter. Since E3 I've been talking and talking on N4G.
In an interview with Yoshida, it was revealed that Sony has a director whose working on "Compiling a List" of games to crowdfund like this. And this is how the slippery slope begins. Pay for the hardware. Pay for online. Pay for the games. And now pay to make the games. http://gyazo.com/2b4c99154a... And for the guy below me who said it was just to gauge interest. You gauge interest by putting out polls or surveys. This was not to gauge interest. Yoshida himself said that the size of the game depends on how much money they raise. This is to build the game. Here's a link to that too cause I know people just like to hit disagree even when facts seem to get in the way http://www.polygon.com/2015...
Indeed, this is a slippery trend to get going, considering we're now talking about larger companies using kickstarter to their advantage. It's a genious way to save money, because the people are gullible enough. If it's not obvious enough, then no i'm not supporting this. PS: I definitely agree that it's a poor excuse that it's to gauge interest.
But the thing is no one is forcing you to pay for anything if you don't want to. If it upsets you so much, don't buy it. Sony is helping develop the game that's why its coming only to ps4 and pc. kickstarter was a test to see if there is enough interest in the game and well, the response shows it does.
So in your future dystopia, we pay developers to make the games we WANT made. That way, we won't end up with nightmares like the new "Metroid" game. Doesn't sound so horrible to me.
I know you'll take any chance to pour doom and gloom on playstation as you are a complete troll, but the list you are talking about is clearly through Sony's Third party productions. They are there to help third parties bring games to playstation. Not fund them. Sony fund there own games through their first party studios of which there are many. They are trying to help third parties bring games that would never again see the light of day back to life.
Good point. I wonder if Nintendo had laid out the new metroid design if very many would have paid money in advance.
So you guys would rather not have the game at all? The fans have begged Yu and Sega to kickstart this game for years. If this is the only way to revive beloved and great old franchises so be it. This is not your yearly sequel afterall.
You get the game. This is like a better version of pre-ordering. What's the problem?
if true this is a new low. sony did this when they had SOE. they did steam early access for a game when the program are more meant to indies and small companies. aint no way you can spin a large corp taking your money to fund games besides taking the risk. if not they shouldnt be in the business. its to help small business that having trouble acquiring funding. last time i checked sony doesnt need help with funding. its not the problem with Yu kickstarting the game the problem is we are starting to see sony is going to abuse this. and i doubt people on this website would care. if it was ms or ninty they would get stone thrown at them for months.
* What a bad article. " Are We ok with that ? " ...really ? * I think the fans OBVIOUSLY said yes when they gave $3,000,000 of their money to support the game making it the fasted game to do so on Kickstarter ever. * Did this person completely not pay attention to E3 ? How does this get approved ?
Maybe learn to read? Clearly you've not even bothered and had your feelings hurt at the title.
My feelings aren't hurt at all. Clearly you've made up a lie. If I can't read, how did I read the title ? If I can't read, how am I responding to your posts ?
You do realize the audience were like the most hardcore of the niche.
Sony said it themselves: It was to test to see how much people wanted it; to see if it was in any demand. You can't blame them seeing as how the first 2 games costed $40-50 million to make each, which in today's standards would be about $70 million. They sold fairly well but didn't sell enough to cover production costs, and Sony knew that. They wanted to know that they weren't wasting time and resources getting it made and now they know it won't go to waste. Pretty genius if you ask me.
Surveys conducted have already conformed the interest. Maybe they did use it to gauge interest but its odd that they needed it spelt out with our cash. Either way, I'm not too fussed. The game is happening. I'm just grateful for that!
Saying you want something and actually spending the money on it are two different things. this kickstarter proves that people not only want the game they are willing to go out and buy it when it is released.
Whether the game needed Kickstarter or not is debatable but i do think it was a genius move by Sony & Yu Suzuki. With record breaking turnout they knew right away people wanted it. Also as a backer it makes me believe i had a hand in making the game happen. That is what Kickstarter is all about to give you the gamer some sort of entitlement when a game is successfully funded. It feels good to know that you had a hand at its success & development.
Doesn't Sega still own the rights to Shenmue? How does this even work, is Sega also involved? Yea, it is strange that a game that is suppose to be the most wanted just isn't outright funded by Sony, they did it with SFV why not Shenmue?
Put your money where your mouth is ... that's basically what they asked for.
@Red From what I understand, Sega only agreed to let Yu make the game if he kickstarts it. My guess is no one wanted to take a direct risk in paying for the IP and Sega as we know does not want to revive most of their franchise for whatever reason. So Yu took the challenge and is probably now swimming with investors money. Maybe Sega is one of them.
Sony also said that Shenmue 3 has been at or near the top of every "most wanted" list and survey for years. The $2000000 target was set to succeed and doesn't really prove anything does it? Being kickstarter, I wonder if Sony still end up getting any revenue from the pledges that get made? It's all a bit odd! I hope we don't get into a situation where gamers have to buy games before they are made just to mitigate the risks for a publisher. I don't think there are many examples where they would get away with it though, so Shenmue will likely be an exception to the rule.
why would they need sony to test anything. of all the kickstarters suddenly devs need sony to approve. if they really want to make this game they dont need a massive budget like that. im guessing its because of mocap and of time going into the gfx depatment. if people really wanted this game and it stand up to the standard of the previous games, they should be happy even without high tech mocap, even though it would be greatly appreciated. and its a lot of games that gfx stunning that doesnt have a budget that high so im confused where yall keep getting these number when they usually have marketing budgets in them.
Shenmue is being independently developed with backing and support from Sony. Yes i'm okay with that.
Yeah the existence of the PC version supports that. I wonder if Yu Suzuki would be receptive to a big pledge from Microsoft in order to add the Xbox to the list of platforms?
that's would be interesting and a gain-gain business to all especially us, gamers.
Never played shenmune but I'm excited to try it out, Reminds me of yakuza series
Yakuza is the spiritual successor to Shenmue.
Yep. Sony did that to see if the public truly do care in the form of.. well, money. It worked and it's happening.
You want Shenmue 3 or not?
I am. Sony needed to see how many people are actually interested in the game. The two previous games didn't sell amazingly so obviously it would be a risk to fund it themselves.
So the supposed petitions, fan out cries, forums and other media outlets weren't enough to let Sony know that this game had a following?
Voting with your wallet has a much larger impact than doing any of those things. Sony wanted to know that people really wanted the game badly. Don't worry it's coming to the PS4 and PC.
@Master So the many funded indie titles that Sony provides through their own Pub fund get the go ahead and support even without public knowledge of them even being made.....but this game (that has been requested since forever) Sony needed to gauge people's interest in? Is this what you guys are going with?
I'm pretty sure Sega would have made the game already or MS backed it like they did with Shenmue 2 on the Original Xbox but with the high production cost nowadays. Its hard to gauge anything with petitions because you do not know if its the same person voting over and over and its not like Shenmue has a fanbase to rival the big names out there too but with kickstarter you put your money where your mouth is and Sony is not the only investor for the game. @Volkama I think there is an issue with IP rights as well since Sega does not want to get involved you have to buy the rights + development and Yu does not have a big company either but with this kickstarter Y Net made a name for themselves in the industry.
But Sony fund loads of games that have less of an established following. Including every new IP they release. Maybe Shenmue has a sky high budget or something, but that's not the impression I get from the kickstarter details about the people involved...
While true, Shenmue is already an established IP. If they funded without knowing how many people actually want it then it could backfire easily. There are many people who haven't played the other Shenmue games so why would they buy the third installment?
$29 donation for a potentially $60 game, I'm more than okay with that.
ummmmmmmm. yeah. They are doing this to work directly with the fans, so they can give what the fans want. I'm totally down for this.
The people have already paid for it so yeah. I could not be happier it's being made.
Now do this for a Legend of Dragoon. This is the perfect way to test the market. Niche games should be tested like this. And to those saying they survey ppl for stuff like this, I have not seen but maybe 2 surveys about gaming given that are about one specific game in my 28 years on this planet. Surveys are usually too broad. This gives all the ppl shouting about these games an opportunity to be handed a megaphone.
Kickstarting Shenmue 3 isn't a problem on the surface. What felt kinda gross was Sony pulling this during their E3 event and acting like Shenmue 3 needed the "publics" help to make it when they pretty much knew they were backing it. I just think this opens a scary door.
The funny kind of scary door? Futurama?
Its great that it got kickstarted...but scary as hell to think future E3's could see (and yes this is extreme...sort of) Sony, Nintendo or MS coming on stage saying "hey look, if you want the next: Last of US, Mario Galaxy or Gears game... well you need to fund this kickstarter to make that happen".
You mean to say this door wasn't already opened? It's not a Kickstarter, but it was definitely early access when you look at EQ Landmark and H1Z1.
my uncle is a die hard dreamcast fan and was wishing this to be made its great its being made but all gamers on all platforms need this , hope in time it comes to all! brings back some good memorys :)
This makes sense for a title like this because it is being created by the original director. It just proves gamers are willing to pay to continue a great franchise. A good example is xbox owners who were willing to pay online all those years when their were other services doing it for free. Now sony is following that trend with ps4 & im sure nintendo will do the same when they release their next console. All im saying is if gamers are willing to pay for these services, I dont see why its a bad thing to raise money for a game series u love so much. Id donate $100 right now for a FF8 remake or a Mario RPG2 or a New Legend Of Dragoons in a heartbeat. Its my money, why u complaining? Just because its a game u dont like or isnt on your console of choice? Sony listened to gamers and its why many gamers are going out & buying a ps4. Dont get me wrong but as good as BC is that cant beat FF7 Remake & Shenmue 3 announcement. Those are 2 megaton announcements.
If this was the only way the game could have come to existence then so be it. I have been waiting too long for this and I want it done by any means necessary.
Because thats sort of how it works in the entertainment industry in general. If a particular game/movie has inherent risks involved (as we have learned Shenmue does/did,thus the looong delay) the person pitching the intelectual property needs to find financing in order to get the project going, once that happens, the producer/studios invest in the property once they feel that the creator is on to something good. This is normal practice. In the case of Shenmue, mr suzuki did not have the funding to get the project started as Sega does not want to touch the ip. So he needed kickstarter help. Long story short, just be happy its happening. Shenmue FTW. Thank you Sony.
The more money that Shenmue III gets the better.
Its a glorified pre-order. People do it all the time but this way it could reflect what goes into the game. With Sony backing it up I fairly sure to say that its not going to fail.
If Sony is going to fund it, they should refund ppl their money. The fact you ppl cried about drm, but are ok with this is outrageuous lmao
It makes no sense how much people are crying because the fact is if you back the project you get the game. It's the best pre-ordering system ever. The money goes to the devs not a retail store. You'll pre-order for a lame gun skin but have a problem with this? You get the game upon completion. Nothing to whine about IMO.
You don't get it, if the game is crap, the devs/publisher don't lose anything. They take no risks but will receive all the gains.. Its simple logic brah, not hard to understand the bad in this.
You don't get that 4 million will not make this game. Sony is still taking a risk. I think people are just trying to find something to be upset about. Don't back it of you have a problem.
Shut the fuck up and enjoy it! This is the time for celebration not whining and second-guessing. IT'S HAPPENING.
It is marketing and it worked because it wasn't lost among announcements - it made headlines by breaking kickstarter records and all the youngsters are asking wtf is Shenmue?
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