After stellar conferences from Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo's disappointing Digital Event could leave them a big hill to climb over the next 12-18 months.
I think Nintendo left it' on self behind! Simply because the company as a whole refuses to evolve. I understand Nintendo is a kids friendly company, and it can remain one while allowing the older gamers access to more mature gaming material. If their consoles are viewed in a more mature setting, more developers will be apt to put more content on the platform, which would draw a more diverse variety of gamers to the platform.
no matter how powerful they make there console they could still produce the good old same Nintendo games no matter what. but by juicing it up they would have allowed to be part of the multiplatform games increasing their library drastically. they missed a big selling point in terms of gamers getting older and having little gamers of there own (kids) and having a console that would of catered to both their kids with the nintendo games and them with the mature multiplatform games. i dont have kids and currently own both ps4 and xbox one and honestly would love to own a nintendo console but can't make that jump for whats on offer.
If you want an example of company that can be kid friendly and continue to evolve in both IP an technology. The Walt Disney company is a perfect example! They evolve their existing IPs, tech for film and parks, and most importantly create new ones like Frozen or Pirates of the Caribbean.
Thing is though Nintendo dosen't have to be a kids friendly company. It can do both. They just stick to the kid audience because they want more money. I mean the way Amiibos have gotten out of hand is a huge sign. I swear to god if they next console centres on Amiibos then that's the final nail in the coffin for me. I can imagine the console having a circle on the top of it where you can put them. Iwata needs to go. I can't believe they haven't got rid of him yet
Except its not Iwata who has the final say in Nintendo decisions believe it or not.
Nintendo is like that kid out in left field digging a hole with a stick. Everyone else knows what they are supposed to be doing and the role they play in the game but not nintendo.
i think nintendo doesnt even want to compete anymore, its almost as if they have admitted defeat and are happy to take their 3rd place in the market. everything nintendo is doing is scaled back- neither the hardware or software is trying to be on par with the competition, nintendo are just doing their own thing... and while that would be fine if they were doing something exciting, instead they are creating their own lane for horrible mini game collections, party games and sub-par additions to established franchises. its only going to get worse with the announcement of their move into mobile gaming
I agree it does seem like they are trying to in my opinion "Silently kill the WII U", to perhaps move to their next console. But if that is the case, I think they first and foremost should be informing their fanbase and not just stringing them along. If that is what is actually happening, let's just say it's not going to turn out good for Nintendo!
Nintendo has flat out said that they don't really want to compete with MS or Sony... Granted they're more than likely massively full of crap with that statement, but they have been claiming that they want to be the alternative not the competition
Sounds about right. I've supported Nintendo for years, and they just lost my business this time around. I don't feel they have hardly anything at all that I need. Xenoblade Chronicles and Zelda? Not worth buying their console for.
@stuna1 I don't know that admitting that they are giving up on the Wii U would be any help. No matter what they do people are going to be wary about buying the next console from them unless it is something truly remarkable. If it's just a newer, shinier more powerful Wii U with a silly gimmick to make it stand out then it wouldn't surprise me if it sells even worse than the Wii U. Hopefully next time they would at least be smart enough to give it a new name so people actually realize it's a new console.
I think the fact they would rather showcase a cross dressing Zelda game over the likes of Devil's Third and Fatal Frame in their presentation speaks louder than any words about where their priorities lay. Most third party games in the west focus on more mature themes because that is where the money is at, if this is how Nintendo treats those sort of games, why would the developers want to release them on their console? Nintendo have so much money though that they're not going anywhere but ultimately, they've become almost irrelevant to many Western gamers and they seem almost content with that.
In home console market Nintendo might become totally irrelevant rly soon if not already. Its all PS2 era again and I see PS4 getting 55-60% home console market share very soon.
It's already over 50% isn't it? Even Vgchartz shows the PS4 selling more than the Wii U and XB1 combined.
My biggest problem is how their refusal to evolve has effected the longevity of their consoles. Hell, things are so bad, it maybe impossible to get back third party support. By the time their new console is released, the Xbox 1 and Ps4 will still be going strong with a healthy amount of support. How long will the Nintendo faithful stay faithful? I sure as hell not confident in their next home console.
* Nintendo has the talent to match anyone in the industry in most ways, they just don't have the visionary leadership to guide them there. * They make the highest of high quality in terms of how good a game can get, with no bugs or glitches and EVERY gamer appreciates that. The thing is, they are being held back a bit by the people in charge. It also isn't within their culture to call somebody like Iwata out..... If they would hire somebody who will tell them 100% and not tiptoe around their culture and worry about disrespecting them, they would get to the bottom of things faster. * They keep allowing those at the top to "save face", as that is within their culture to no embarrass but to allow a person to "redeem" their dignity of sorts. This is getting taken advantage of and we as gamers can no longer " Please Understand " * I could personally give Nintendo some awesome ideas for games they've never made that would still be " Nintendo" and have that feel. Many of us could, and I suspect so could many dev's already working there. * There is a last crab in the barrel within Nintendo and that person or people are holding the rest of Nintendo back from how great they could be. They need leadership change because the Base building blocks are there. The talent and teams are there, they are just being guided in the wrong directions. When Nintendo gets something "right", nobody gets it more right than them. When they get it wrong, not many people get it as wrong as they do either. I love their experimenting, it's actually honorable and respectable that they are sacrificing their time and Name to risk working on things that they don't know will work. Not many companies risk that. The problem is, they have somebody in charge, having them take too many of those when they just need to get back to what we want.
Your comment could not have been better! Like all businesses there is a hierarchy that has to have a head and all information or orders trickle down from there. If you don't have a competent head in place everything from that point could be potentially disastrous in the business world.
Nintendo has been a joke to me since the original Wii. I mean what was wrong with what they were doing with Gamecube? They catered to both audiences and it was a success.
Ya, I loved the Gamecube. The Wii was weird for me. Sure there were a lot of good games on it, but the graphics on a bunch of them looked worse than Gamecube games. It was awful. Made it difficult for me to enjoy.
I loved Nintendo when i was a kid and i wish they could go back to how they use to be, people just see them as a joke now.
The issue is they are the same as they used to be, your just not a kid anymore.
No the issue is they use to make great consoles now they don't.
This exactly. I've said it many times. I, and many of us grew up, Nintendo didn't grow with us.
You are one of the few that seems to onderstand whats going on. For better or worse they are still the same company that dances to their own tune it seems that people dont understand that as a company you cant grow with your audience you have to try and reach younger people cause whats gonna happen if they grow with their fanbase those people die of old age who are they left with? I know this is not a popular opinion especially on n4g but i'm glad they stay the way they are that way i keep getting my high quality Zelda and Mario kart games and i buy all my final fantasy on ps4 so i don't miss anything i like Also i will never buy a Sony or Microsoft console for my kids when they are 16 they can save up and buy their own console but there is no way in hell that i'm gonna buy those consoles for my kids knowing what kind of games are released on those consoles not saying it's not for younger kids but as a parent i can't say that a console with 90% mature audience games is something i want my kid playing on And @ toiletsteak The reason their consoles where more powerfull in the past is because back in those days PC was in it's child shoes hardware just wasn't that powerfull those days even if we go back a few years x360 and ps3 were more powerfull than the midrange PC's that were available around that time If you look this gen the hardware is on par with low end machines if it had to compete with PC we'd be paying €2000-3000 right now
Sadly, yes.. Never underestimate Ninetendo though. These guys are phenomenon creators.
They still have a strong library for the WiiU that makes it well worth owning just like a Ps4.
The Wii U has been out over 2 years. They have put out a few gems, but I wouldnt say the library is chalk full of hits. If people were going to buy a Wii U, they would have done it already. Not too many people are going to buy the console just for Star Fox. Zelda....maybe. Gamers are left feeling that Nintendo jumped the shark: Mariokart and Super Mario 3D world were incredible, yet didnt make the sales mark they were hoping. So now, its getting harder and harder to justify buying the Wii U.
Pikmin 3 Wonderful 101, Bayonetta Bayonetta 2 Smash Bros Mario Kart Mario 3D world Toad Treasure Tracker NSMBU Zelda WWHD Hyrule Warriors ZombiU Donkey Kong Monster Hunter Mario Party 10 Kirby Splatoon Nintendoland All these are amazing games for anyone's library. Not to mention Star Fox Mario Maker Fatal Frame Devil's Third Xenoblade Zelda WiiU Are all still to come. To say they have a weak library is moronic. My WiiU sits perfectly with PS4's Bloodborne, ESO, Witcher 3, Theif, The Order and Xbones....halo. I'm a gamer, I love all the systems and get great experiences but this gen so far Nintendo has owned the shelving for the library so far Ps4 has a lot more to come and xbone is finally getting a gears game so that's 2. All and all, everyone is doing good.
Summons75 The problem with that Wii U list is that it is not desirable for most. Nintendoland? Wonderful 101? Pikmin 3? Toad Treasure Tracker? Zombie U? Mario Party 10? Kirby? Nobody gives a damn about those games and nobody id going to run out to get a Wii U for them. Nobody cares about those kind of games except Nintendo fans and children. Hence the poor sales for the Wii U. Nintendo needs modern, adult-oriented and desirable games that millions of gamers want. That is the only way to successfully sell the home console. It is basic rule of business; you make and sell what people want and not the other way around
@Summons- Its a nice list....for Nintendo fans. They don't really know how to get new fans and they seem to be scared to take risk and whats strange is years ago this company right along with Sony was very much known for that. Now they are playing it as safe as ever. I feel Rare being gone is likely due to that, they pushed the boundaries for that company and it seems without them, Nintendo was just stuck doing the same thing over and over and over. What is Mario Kart to me? What is Smash to me? Consider I may not like any of those games, how do you get me as a gamer? Oh by making Mario 3D world? OH by making Nintendo land? Whats sad, is I never thought I would see the day where MS was doing BETTER then Nintendo at bringing in new gamers. XB wasn't like that and 360 changed that concept. Since then, MS has been adding in new IPs to get in new gamers, Alan Wake, Gears, Crackdown, ReCon etc. Sony doesn't even need to be mentioned as they are pros at the console new IP cycle of series since its arrival to console gaming. But MS is very much showing they are learning and are adopting to what gamers want, not everyone likes Halo, Forza, Fable, well..they have something for you, its called ReCon, Sea Of Thieves, Quantum Break etc I'm just so sorry that Nintendo just doesn't get that. Mind you...this is the same company that passed up LBP, yet that game went on to do 5 million units, went on to become an extremely successful series and now Nintendo is making a create, share game.... At this point, who is looking at Nintendo for new, innovative IPs? I'm sorry but I've seen more new concepts that excited me as a gamer from PS4 and XONE and clearly PC then I have anything on Wii U. They legit played it safe. Folks are going nuts for ReCon, Horizon, Sea Of Thieves, Dream etc based on they are new concepts, some stranger then others, some more traditional but new none the less. I'm sorry but Nintendo might be playing it way, way too safe. and edit- Bayonetta is not a Nintendo IP...
@Griever You do realize that Nintendo makes another piece of gaming hardware called the 3DS right? Similar to Wii U, it too pretty much only consist of "Kiddie" games and it is still selling very well and is only currently being outsold by the PS4, so the whole "Nintendo need to grow up and focus on adult orientated games in order to be successful" is kinda invalid. The lack of 3rd party is what's killing the Wii U and that's from Nintendo not going with stronger hardware and from them sticking with the PowerPC architecture that it's older consoles had, while MS and Sony ended up going with x86, making it more difficult for developers to port their games over to the Wii U. It's not the games, it's the lack of games that killed the Wii U.
@Summons - Rarely have I seen a longer list of games I'm not interested in. That's a very subjective statement, obviously, but it's also obvious that most console gamers who have gotten into the current gen agree with it.
@Monster_Tard The 3DS is a $200 handheld; the 2DS is even cheaper. They are basically cheap gaming alternatives that parents can buy for their children. That is why kiddy games sell on it. A home console is a completely different beast. The kind of games that work on a handheld cannot hold their own on a home console. There is just no parallel between a handheld and a home console. Remember how all the Nintendo fans were claiming that the Wii U will pickup similar to the 3DS once the games arrive. Did that happen? Nope. Handheld trends and logic do not apply to home consoles.
Most of their core games are out and its still not enough to compete with Sony and MS.
I have felt Nintendo has been behind for years now. There is only so far Zelda can carry you. Nintendo needs to do 1 of 2 things. 1) stop catering to kids and have more adult themed games stop with these little kid games all the time and get with the times. 2) If you are not willing to make adult games then get out of the console business and just sell software. I have been a huge fan of Nintendo when I had a snes and N64 I even had a gamecube but after that they went down hill.
Nintendo's strategy of milking the same old franchises to death and not getting the popular multiplats on their system is only going to keep getting diminishing returns. They need a new direction, and they need to show they are serious about it. They have lots of cash- that's the only silver lining here. They need to invest it.
Spot on, in order to make money, they have to spend money. Time to stop making excuses, get with the times and compete with Sony and MS for REAL. Come on Nintendo, we want to support you but you need to be bold and go all out every single generation.
It wasn't long ago in these forums, about a year ago, I believe, when Nintendo fanboys were loud and boisterous about having great games, and Sony and Microsoft having none. We told them the Wii U had been out longer, and that having more games for it was only natural, but they didn't want to hear it. Now, after Sony and Microsoft have produced quality AAA titles, with a plethora more on the way, and by comparison the Wii U has little by way of comparison, especially in size and scope of future projects....they are nowhere to be found. They have up and disappeared like farts in the wind. Typical.
I was one of those fanboys. I promptly sold my Wii U and bought a PS4 in December. Wii U is done.
Nintendo has gone from trailing in the race, to the pity-clap at the finish. Sony and Microsoft are innovating their respective consoles with VR/AR and a solid gaming library. Nintendo is still left behind in the multiplayer scene and this gaming drought they left us with isn't helping keep the dust off my Wii U. If they could only muster the same charm with 3DS as they do with the Wii U. Nintendo needs change, and they need it quick. They havent evolved since the 90's and its starting to show. Not only do they need big games but they need to do some damn marketing! Nintendo directs are cute, but not generating exposure to the masses. Ninty doesnt need the most powerful console ever, but if they expect Multiplats to come back, they need something they can work with. I love Nintendo, even if Nintendo doesnt love me back at times. But I fear the new console will be do or die for Nintendo. See if they learn from the mistakes of their past.
multiplayer scene sure maybe Online. But local nope. Runbow 9 Player Local Smash Bros. 8 Player Local Is something PS4 and Xbox One havent achieved yet @Immorals Compared to games I mentioned especially Smash who would play that.
IDARB Is 8 players locally
Nintendo's biggest feature for Wii U was streaming content from the console to the screen on the Gamepad. Sony and Microsoft have taken the streaming concept and built upon it in the hugest way possible. Things like this show Nintendo can only makes gimmicks to sell, and their competitors can implement them to a greater effect while also catering to core audiences.
Lack of third party games is what is really pushing them out of the console race. Fact that famous games like cod, gta etc... are not coming to WiiU has to hurt them financially.
Nintendo has always alienated third parties. The end result is that the first party needs to float the entire console (usually Nintendo does well enough to pull this off - they did with the N64 and GameCube anyway). Nintendo got lucky with the impulse buyers of the Wii and they sold more than enough that the software offerings (1st or 3rd party) didn't really matter towards the console's success. The problem is Nintendo didn't get the same luck with the WiiU and now they need those software offerings as incentive to get people buying. It's not all doom and gloom for Nintendo since they salvaged the 3DS from failure after they initially launched it with too high of a price. The 3DS has gone on to be pretty successful. That success will help pay for the WiiU being less than successful, but it only buys Nintendo so much time before they need to get with the competition and catch up or risk over-reaching themselves like Sega did.
At this point Sony and Microsoft don't need to do anything to impede Nintendo's progress. Nintendo makes it's own grown up decisions and deals with the consequences. If and when they get their act together, we can have the three way battle once more. Because right now, while they have some amazing IP's, and a good handheld, they've got nothing else really going for them. I say this with love.
I think Nintendo is preparing for a big shift. The 3DS is doing well. So, financially, they're fine. But they have to make a big seller console. I think that's what they're doing.
nintendo is sadly dying, i really dont want it to die i like all there games
They just tried to make the Nintendo Wii U the Dreamcast 2..and were very successful.
They make so much money that they don't even care anymore.
Have Pc left Microsoft and Sony behind?? Stupid question? Yes like this article.
That's the thing i hate about modern day gamers THERE IS NO "BEHIND" IN THIS GAME INDUSTRY. Retro style games taking on again just prove that, if anything, the other consoles are spending too much time TRYING to go backwards with remasters and retro games etc. Nintendo are Nintendo and they should remain Nintendo or they will get sucked into a crowd of generic copycats. That's what the console war is - just two companies trying desperately to outdo eachother, it's sad when each one resorts to copying the NES for nostalgic reasons. People take pit on Nintendo because it doesn't do what they want, wouldn't any normal person admire them for not conforming and becoming an Xbox clone? Nintendo's game library, though mascot filled is mountains above either next gen console and some of them even look better to me visually. The fact that the WII U (a console that is dead) has more AAA exlusives coming out this year than the PS4 is just a big cherry on the cake.
Why would a parent buy a Nintendo game when kids are just as happy with a new mobile game that probably free. When they get bored with that, just download another. Nintendo needs to win back the core.
they missed a amazing opportunity they had all that money from the wii? and couldnt just match specs from xboxone or ps4... if the same people are still in charge expect a strong attachment to the wii/wiiu for the next system.... Motion controls yet again, bare bones online connectivity, no dvd/bluray support, no ethernet port, maybe the same power as ps5 but with their rules of business with online third partys will stay gone..
I doubt that they use the Wii name again after seeing that a lot of ppl didn't know that it was a new system. I know a few ppl that have just recently found out that the Wii U was a new system.
simply put...for consoles...yes
(I ignore you) As I close my eyes, I feel it all slipping away (I come toward you) We all got left behind, we let it all slip away
i think there is 10 years between nintendo and other consoles or more because nintendo still didnt show nothing impresive than killzone 2 e3 2005
Are you talking about graphics? Killzone 2 E3 2005 was prerended. I do think the Wii U has some pretty games (Bayonetta 2 and Super Mario 3d world), they still don't look as good as the best looking PS3 and 360 games. But the games I mentioned due run at high framerates. Nintendo has restricted the graphical potential of their games due to dated hardware. But to be fair, most of Nintendos games are cartoon games and thus aren't as demanding as many of the AAA you see on Sony and MS consoles.
They may well be behind but i still like the Wii U. It offers something different.
I grew up with Nintendo in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. I've owned pretty much every Nintendo console minus the virtual boy. I think they haven't evolved to where they're not the only show in town. It was easy during the NES and SNES days because they were the dominant console. They could make things more difficult for 3rd party and they would comply because they have no other choice. They decided to continue marketing to kids only instead of including those that were kids in the 80s and 90s. Right now I'm pretty much done with Nintendo. They'll have to really impress me with NX and even then I'll probably give it a year or two before I get it.
Nintendo needs to go all out for their next console. No cheap underpowered console. They need to get 3rd party support. Gamers want bigger and better games. I hope they can get it together because if not get ready to play Mario on Playstation.
No, is the honest answer. Nintendo has always walked its own path, what Sony and Microsoft do will NEVER please a Nintendo gamer. The Last Guardian and Shemue 3 (for example) - the games which have garnered the most hype will fail miserably under expectations, mark my words. As for the Final Fantasy 'remake', this will no doubt please many, but for me, nothing, never enjoyed that genre of game. Come early 2016 and Sony fans are still waiting on these said games, I'll be playing Zelda U, after no doubt enjoying X, Mario Maker, Star Fox, Fatal Frame, Wooly World, etc, etc, all this year.
how peculiar. You just so happen to only enjoy nintendo games. How strange! It's almost like you deliberately only want to be interested in nintendo games. They aren't even all the same genre, so your abnormally specific tastes become even more strange! What are the odds?
erm, WHAT? No, I dont "only enjoy" Nintendo games. Ive enjoyed many games on the numerous other non-Nintendo systems I have owned over the years, be it Spectrum, Amiga, Genesis, 3D0, Dreamcast, etc, etc. I just so happen to have enjoyed many more games on Nintendo consoles than any other developer - so sue me.
No Nintendo left Nintendo further behind
Potentially yes... But the thing is, there is a lot of smoke behind the NX rumors. If they really are trying to launch a console fall 2016, it would make sense of why we didn't see much new stuff at this year's E3. At some point any of the console makers bite the bullet for a year or two while preparing to launch a new console. This might explain Nintendo's showing. If not... then they botched it hard. They have to make a powerful console, no more Green Kyoto Console crap. Must be hard though, they are inundated with green fascism propaganda in Kyoto like crazy. They probably felt it was their duty to create low power consoles. Now they are seeing what happens when you ride the idiot train to ruin. Will they continue to follow the idiocy, or will they actually make a console people want? People want to play Nintendo games, they just don't want to pay good money for the same level of stuff they were playing 10 years ago with little to no option for anything more modern. As a gamer since Atari 2600/Apple II who has owned most Nintendo consoles, including a Wii U, they need to get their act together. The people have spoken, they don't want low power crap. Fewer and fewer people will buy Nintendo consoles, especially after being burned by the Wii U. If the NX happens to be another low power console, it's sales will make the Wii U sales look good. Nintendo can't survive off their hardest of hardcore gamers. There is not enough money to survive. They need to reach the average gamer, or they will go bankrupt. That is simply a fact. Another Wii U and they will be on the ropes, if not outright toast. I've seen many console manufacturers go under in my time as a gamer, and outside of the hardest of hardcore (and I mean like the 10% hardest hardcore that own a Wii U, not the other 90 percent), the Nintendo name is TOXIC. It's a joke to most gamers. Nintendo does offer something different, but it's also the same thing they've been offering for decades. So it's different, but the same. Different from others, the same thing they've been doing. Nintendo isn't walking it's own path, it's walking the path to ruin. There is absolutely no reason they can't make a powerful console, and still make 2D Mario on it. Create a machine with power, to allow all devs the ability to make games on it in the way they want, and Nintendo can keep making their unique games on it. The fact some people can't wrap their heads around is that Nintendo cannot be a successful business if they think they can carry their console alone. They can't. Even in their hey day, their better consoles, had great 3rd party support. Now they aren't in their hey day, and don't have sufficient 3rd party support. They made a weak console with what amounts to $30 in graphics on board and charged $349 for it. To make matters worse, their more popular competitors switched to X86, meaning PS4/XB1/PC games can all be made in a similar fashion, the one in which is very different, and thus more costly for devs to build on, is the Wii U.
They need a powerful, X86, non-gimmicky system. Did the gamepad have some promise