"The goal is to someday build the Titanic for games. For that you need characters that are not assassins."
Wow. Bold statement from a company making very lackluster broken games. Stop bashing on games made by others when you can't make a great game yourself. Prove us that you make great games with Syndicate. Then say this. Else you're just jealous.
You are a fool, one that has shown the inabibilty to read titles and articles. For starters Patrice hasn't been at Ubisoft since 2013 or worked on Assassin's creed since 2010. Secondly, he was saying games have a way to go before they are as big as movies. He didn't bash GTA and praise Assassin's creed, he said games have a long way to go before they can compete in terms in certain areas.
But why should video games compete with movies ? Both are two different mediums with different purposes and it should stay this way. I don't see the point in constantly comparing the two of them. It's like comparing Music and Painting. I want my video games to remain video games and my movies to remain movies. Neither should compete against the other. Let them keep their integrity.
@Shuga - Titanic was a film that captured the movie going public's interest in a huge way. People felt compelled to see it, even guys who wouldn't normally go see a movie with such heavy emphasis on a romantic story. GTA, as big a seller as it is, still only gets a relatively small portion of gamers to actually buy and play it. The article isn't about trying to make games more like movies, it's just talking about mass appeal. Games and movies have much more in common than music and painting do, no matter how you look at it, but all forms of entertainment compete with each other for the consumer's cash.
@MystricStrummer "The article isn't about trying to make games more like movies, it's just talking about mass appeal" I disagree with you. He clearly talks about the nature of video games itself and how it should change/evolve to match movies' appeal. But what I am saying is that videos games should not try to do what movies do. They may be similar in many ways, but they still are two different categories of entertainment with their respective ways of reaching their audience.
Games industry is already bigger than books, movies and music industries combined in monetary terms. GTA and Wii sports are phenomena, not just games. These are already in a sense bigger than Titanic. The problem with the medium lies in its infancy stages presentation and accessibility. If you can look past those, we already have our Titanic and more.
The Last Of Us or The Witcher 3 showed us games can do things far beyond movies already. Movies are not the target of competition to begin with.
Basically Movies are meant to be passively watched while games are meant to be interacted with by the player or players. @ShugaCane Totally agree, well said. @MysticStrummer Yes the Movie Titanic did capture the movie going public however it actually was a remake a of the 1958 movie which was the film adaptation of Walter Lord's book A Night to Remember (1955). Basically the popularity of the 1997 movie was IMHO mainly due to the popularity of the two stars at the time. Like I have previously mentioned before all movies are passive entertainment and nothing will change no matter how often you watch it. Games on the other hand depend on the player(s) skill and/or choices to get to a finial resolution or end and some games can have different endings. IMHO most people prefer passive entertainment over interactive entertainment. Making a game based on the Titanic is IMHO rather stupid since we know historically the ship sinks with a considerable loos of life.
Did you even read the article. He created the franchise but left Ubisoft and he even said that the titanic of games should NOT include assassin's.
Just to note that he is not with Ubisoft anymore. He was fired back in 2013, so I doubt has anything to do with Syndicate.
It's just for publicity!
Patrice Desilets basically left as Assassin's Creed was becoming the annualized mess that it is today. He was a risk-taker, while current Ubi runs from risks like they're on fire and infected with Ebola. Current Ubi is why Desilets left the company, and hopefully his work on a new ambitious game will pay off.
Does Unity work yet? I'm waiting for it to be playable before considering to purchase it or not.
Yes it does. I personally haven't ever had any actual problems with it, but I have noticed a marked improvement in it regardless.
I bought it cheap on PS4 with the soul purpose of trading it in to get Witcher 3. One store had a small list of trade 2 particular games, get one of these new ones free. I actually already owned both games on PC but for unforeseen circumstances I'm no longer able to access my desktop computer so I bought a PS4 in the mean time until I can move out and get another desktop.
The Titanic sunk, both as a ship and a movie.
Isnt the Titanic one of the highest grossing movies ever?
@BiggerBoss, Not if you're a male.
I'm sure I saw a game about the Titanic on Kickstarter recently?
Because the Titanic sunk and GTA seems to stay afloat?
So.. He means they have to make a city that sinks... Patrice Atlantis game confirmed! /s
Interesting read but why should gajes be trying to compete with movies? G
Well, in my opinion they have a bigger opportunity than movies. In a game you can immerse yourself so fully, especially now with VR, something movies will never do without subsequently becoming a video game. You are the character, your actions affect everything. If writers for games take that approach, and make it engaging in terms of gameplay, I think video games could one day overshadow movies as not only the popular form of entertainment but the undisputed best.
I agree ganes are just the best way to experience everything. Especially ganes where your choices matter like witcher 3,fallout etc, Games are not trying to be movies atleast majority of them but movies seem adopt on games
It's not a competition, it's an analogue within the medium. Quite like how people were looking for the "Citizen Kane of Games" a couple of years ago, which was a bit of a fool's chore that led to nothing but jokes about it. Titanic makes more sense, though - it was, in the end, a consumer product with a gigantic budget, unlike Kane, which was more like a risky indie work with a small budget and, due to its time, low tech.
the salt is real lol that ac sucks and gtas the best
If GTA is nothing compared to the titanic of games, then it i'd hate to know how assassin's creed, watch dogs or far cry compares to this "titanic of games". Pretty ironic coming from a developer that has produced easily some of the weakest characters in gaming over the past few years.
you didn't read the article, and if you did you didn't comprehend it, which is sad.
I just agreed with him because what he says about the quality of Ubisoft's games and characters is spot on. Of course article buddy isn't even in Ubi and this isn't some kind of bragging but a broad statement made on gaming's potential. I kind of agree with him that the perfect game is still on the way but I think many games have already matched and exceeded the best movies. That and most of the movies releasing nowadays are formulaic garbage. Even James Cameron's contribution to the industry has been derivative or non-existent lately.
So is Assassin's Creed. In fact, if GTA is a small mass compared to Titanic, Assassin's Creed is microscopic entity that would require a telescope to be seen, so here you go.
It might be now, but the scale of the original game (while it had its issues) was pretty huge for its time. Desilets is only involved with old-school AC, and you'd better believe that if Ubi actually listened to him or anyone else with a brain, AC wouldn't have been an annual property and AC3 would have been immense.
Your point being ? why do you think he picked GTA ? he compared the biggest game to the biggest movie... he's not trying to say AC is better.
My point is it's a bad comparison, no matter what game you put there. Gaming might be the biggest entertainment industry on earth right now, but Titanic is an exceptional movie that passed the two billion box office mark, it's like putting Mike Tyson against Muhammad Ali. Both names are big, but we already know who would survive the ring. And yeah, I also implied that Assassin's Creed games are inferior to GTA games and I'm not ashamed for that. I've been a huge fan of the AC series since the fist game with Raymond up until Revelations, my favorite was in fact Brotherhood, and since then the game went downhill, deteriorated way faster than any other IP that I used to love. Pardon me if I seem a bit salty after that horrendous AC: Syndicate reveal.
Well, what you think of AC is not my concern. And his point still stands, we don't have a Titanic.
Name some real "stinkers" of games and while we are at it movies or even TV shows and you have got Titanic ;-) Of course what some people call bad may be the "second coming" to some it's all in the eyes of the beholder.
How could we, though? Anybody's grandma would watch Titanic over and over with great enjoyment, but they wouldn't think of laying their hands on a video game controller. Different types of demographics and target audiences. Games are entertainment products marketed mostly towards young people with specific interests, and movies are simply a form of art. Apples and oranges, thus my point- bad comparison.
Age isn't an issue anymore though. A lot of people play video games, even in their 50s or 60s. We just don't make games that would appeal to a broader audience, no matter what the age is. It has more to do with the themes offered in current video games than anything else. imo anyway.
I am going to agree and disagree with you on this. Basically the people who watched the 1997 movie Titanic more than once were mainly young people not grandparents. Personally I don't mind watching a movie two or even three times providing I allow a decent (very subjective) time between each viewing but going back in the same day and watching another 3 hours and 30 minutes is IMHO ridiculous. Personally I would rather play a game than watch a movie since I prefer active entertainment (ie. games) to passive entertainment (ie. movies and shows) @Aloren Well said. I don't think it is possible to make games that actually appeal to the broader audience since most people prefer passive or should I say "couch potato" entertainment. :-)
This guys are behind in movie culture, Avatar made like $700 million more then Titanic, and guess what? It had aliens, air battles, shooting, was less about romantic feels, and more lets destroy this place... but not anymore cus I got some Na'vi tail. Talk about shitty developers, can't admit their game was broken, even after 4 months of release. Remember when the watch_dogs lead director threw sh*t at GTA too, saying how the watch_dogs city had more density and life (which weren't true at all, game was pure repetitive disappointment). They have way too much salt at Ubisoft.
But one could argue James Cameron's Titanic was a metaphorical springboard to his success with avatar. I don't think any movie could be as big without having a success line Titanic proceed it. Also there was so much in terms of themes, subtle nudges to our own way of life and existence, that made avatar deeper than just just destruction. Also, you didn't read the article. Assassins Creed creator hasn't been at ubisoft since 2013.
So by that logic Titanic was destined to success because of Alien, Terminator, True Lies, Strange Days, etc etc. I did read the article, and it doesn't matter if he was there until 2013 or not. That's actually the mentality Ubi Montreal has, his was a display of how that entire studio thinks. They think they are better then everyone else, in the end their products flop like half cooked pancakes. The only actual good game they have managed to put out in a decade has been Far Cry 3, and it was still only decent and not great that to it's weak storyline. Ubisoft = Turd
Nah avatar was pretty inept and as far as story telling goes. It was more about offering one gigantic visual setpiece that seemed original and artistic. It kind of succeeded in this department but nothing else about the movie really etched it in stone other than the fact that it came after Titanic. And it made lots of money. You know what else made lots of money...Call of Duty...every year.
You're aware he had nothing to do with Unity and has nothing to do with Ubisoft anymore, right ?
Think they should focus on their own game's than talking about other games.
and I agree with him, gaming can definitely scale new heights and I'm hopeful I'll be around to see the next massive step taken in the gaming industry
Now if they could only make the game less repetitive and as enjoyable as GTA
Titanic was most likely her sister ship and that's the reason it was sunk because of damage. Yes I know conspiracies. AC games have no soul to them, just feel like I'm doing it for no reason.
Sorry Ubisoft, but if one company is sure to not be able to pull this off, it's you. CDPR and Rockstar are already miles upon miles ahead of you guys.
why would you direct your comment at Ubisoft when they have nothing directly to do with the article? did you not read the part where it says the creator hasn't been there for years?
We all know how the Titanic ended... ... Still no Oscar for Leo.
comparing the closest thing we have now to something we dont have at all yet. yea keep wasting your breath and go back to making cookie cutter AC games chump
it's astonishing how you were able to miss the fact that he doesn't work for Ubisoft in that incredibly short article. you should quit wasting your breath and go back to reading and comprehension, chump.
ooo burn aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my feeels you broke my feels you must be new here, people on N4G dont read articles
I guess they are on about the cheese fest film then as the ship didn't even sail its maiden Voyage and people died, yet GTA is a massive success?! Hmm.
the article is something like 500 words. can you really not take the 2 minutes to look through it? and are you saying that gtav WASN'T a massive success?
Times I have watched Titanic: 2 or 3. Times I have played GTA: Each game about 4 or 5 times, so like total of 28, 29 once I finish GTA V By my calculations, GTA wins!
No but Unity sure sunk. ;)
shhhhhhhhh... you dumb fools have a hard enough time NOT RELEASING A BROKEN GAME
He's right, you know, in comparison to Titanic, GTA doesn't seem to be sinking in near future. Assassin's Creed, on the other hand...
titanic sank so....
"GTA is nothing compared to Titanic" Boy, if I had a dime for every time I've said that this week...
The audience you need to make a game analogous to Titanic (the movie) far exceeds the pull of any individual platform, and no one has grasped how to nail the kind of mass appeal you'd need to get that audience. If you're talking the sales and money side, anyway. In terms of quality, well, see the Plinkett video.
But, didn't the Titanic sink?
*comment not reading past the headline and bashing Ubisoft when they have nothing to do with this*
I know this is an unpopular opinion but Titanic is an amazing movie.
The guy hasn't worked for Ubi in 2 years and he is not disparaging gtav nor is he talking about the subject matter of the Titanic, read and understand things before you jump on Keywords and enter attack mode. Gta was used as an example for being the most successful in it's industry just like the Titanic was in it's industry. He just wants videogames to reach the type of notoriety and acceptence that films have. He wants to create a game that sells 150 million copies (threw the # out there) he just wants the industry to grow. This has nothing to do with how much u hate AC Unity and how admittedly idiotic and LAZY Ubi was for claiming parody was a good thing. This is about creating that 100 million seller that breaks through to the other side and places the gaming industry in every living room in the world.
This sounds like pillow talk after lighting a bone or something. "Just like, make a game, you know? Like what movies do, but like not a movie. I just want everyone in the world to buy it, you know?
Leonardo DiCaprio just needs to do an Assassin's Creed game to make it all official.
Rose was hot.
Titanic wasn't even that good. Maybe too some gta5 was there titanic