In a recent interview, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata apologized to the millions of Nintendo fans who were disappointed by their E3 '08 press conference, especially those who were "expecting to see... 'Super Mario' or 'Zelda'."
i was dissapointed especially with Wii music lol did you see that demonstration
Oh well, maybe next time.
on a last gen gaming system with motion control... and not doing anything to get some good first party games out for the game system in the coming year? What gives?
apology not accepted
what did you expect from Nintendo? Didn't they show you who their target market is by now? It's not the crowd that was disappointed with their press conference; it's the crowd that wants Wii music. The crowd that wants Wii fit. You guys bought the Wii expecting the next Nintendo 64 (great console btw) and it's not anywhere near that. It's a console for the casual primarily with a very limited catalog of games for the hardcore. Time to make an investment in a PS3 or 360 or get used to the next casual friendly slew of games from Nintendo. Edit: Go ahead and disagree. That press conference was an absolute insult to the non-casual gamer and I think Nintendo shouldn't even be at events like E3 if that's the sort of conference they're going to give.
IF you already have a Wii and are disappointed by the lack of hard core, then move to a PS3 or 360. There is plenty there, and if Nintendo finally goes back to their roots for a game or two, you will still have the wii to play. But for a videogame enthusiast, a Wii wont do.
What are you guys talking about, Wii Music is teh most pwnage game out there. /sarcasm
Yeah, it was horrible especially Wii Music... and that woman on the events PUPPY ARE CUTE blah blah blah' I was tuning off my speaker each time that woman goes into the stage o.O
well done nintendo
Did you say the 64 was a disaster? Really? It's probably nintendo's best console. Ever. HAd some of the best games. Starfox 64 supermario 64 Zelda games Donkey Kong 64 Umm, can't remember the rest of the games in my posseion =P
Nothing more. Move on folks.
Wii is not for us In our eyes its a failure as a video game console, that has no definitve way of selling software in the consumers eyes its a good toy
not exactly a toy but a good business move. the focus to casual gamers it's what gave legs to their company since the disaster I called N64. now nintendo it's drowning in money. who's giving money to nintendo? casuals. that means they no longer cares about cores.
@3.1 n64 disaster? mario 64,turok 1 and 2,zelda:oot,banjo kazooi,goldeneye007,banjo tooei,jet force jemini,conker:bad fur day,shadow man,perfect dark(best fps ever IMO),donkey kong 64,killer instict gold,paper mario,zelda majora's mask,rayman 2,the world is not enough(ps1 version suck) wwe:no mercy(best wwe game ever)beetle adventure racing,mariokart 64,diddy kong racing all of this+more= disaster???? you sure didn't have one the n64 IMO,the best video game console along with ps2 consoles today suck tbh
Fancy pants, Stop using Drugs....really.
@APE007, The library of games is not the reason the N64 is considered a failure by many. It was the lack of sales. the N64 was the most mature system Nintendo put out as far as games go. The majority of people just didnt care though. They wanted the casual friendly PS1.
@ voice, ironic isn't it...
why i said a failure? first: nintendo was last two gen since the N64 second: what games are you talking Ape? i could mention like 30 games from PS1 and from the genere that i like, Jrpg's only, without counting crash bandicoot, tomb raider, spyro and all the new franchise that were created during that time. and yeah, believe it or not i was a nintendo fanboy until the Wii came. i have every zelda, mario and metroid games on consoles and i have beat every one of them; including zelda II: adventure of link. i don't even think that any of you know more about Jrpg's from the snes than me. heck, i'm even totally sure that i know more about nintendo than the two of you... what happens is that you're fanboys and can't see things clearly, that's all.
How the hell can you not recognize ANY of the games he listed? I even have all those games except a couple. If you think the 64 is a failure then you're either talking out of your ass, never had one, or you're probably too young to even remember it (most likely). BTW i'm not even a Nintendo fanboy, I just think the 64 is the best console Nintendo made (I don't like the Wii that much) nvm about the age comment I didn't really read your comment clearly, but if you had a 64 and still don't recognize any of those games Ape listed than that makes it even sadder "the N64 was the most mature system Nintendo put out as far as games go. The majority of people just didnt care though. They wanted the casual friendly PS1." Thats BS. How the hell are there more "casual" games on the PS1 than the Nintendo 64 which had Mario 64, Banjo-Kazooie, Mario Kart, etc you must be delusional unless I have the wrong definition of what casual games are
For me - the N64 was an excellent machine and I STILL play some of the great titles it brought me. But a company does not exist to satisfy my needs. It needs to make money, and the N64 was a flop in terms of market penetration and making any money and was widely seen as a business disaster and the beginning of the end for Nintendo. Gaming heaven or not, doesn't enter the equation for shareholders and those responsible for running the company, its about cold hard cash. The cube did little to turn this around financially, and many considered that Nintendo were going to go completely out of the running. But the DS showed them the light. A novel feature set and a bunch of software that appealed to people well outside the normal gamer demographic was making them enough bucks to stay in the game and shift a lot of software. They took this concept and brought it to there next console and the Wii was the result. You can't argue with the validity of what they did. They are sitting on a mountain of cash and have completely turned around their fortunes as a company. I personally find it frustrating that they couldn't make this kind of success by catering to my core tastes as I want some of what made ninty so special to me in the past. But the past is the past. For all its success as a gaming platform for me, the N64 and then the cube, showed Nintendo that they were doomed if they continued catering to the core gamer market. You can't blame them for making a success of their company, and much as I can wish they still made their hardware and software targeted at me, I have to accept that Nintendo no longer serve the core demographic and move on. I make do with the odd classic like Galaxy or Metroid and turn to the other two machines for my fix.
the n64 IMO is much,much better gaming system than wii and ds which both kicked the hell out of n64 in sales the n64 is a console for the ages I can't even remember one game that sucked on n64(screw sales and marketing,people are stupid) just look at turok 2 and now look at the new turok look at the original perfect dark and take a look at pdz too see how much it sucks today,even with next gen technology,there are too many games that sucks even more didasterios nintendo's own wii has 95% of its games that totally suck(see guys sales don't matter) but the only n64 flaw was the lack of rpgs,fighting and driving games and the cart space
You should be. You just fvcked the whole gaming industry as soon as you released your Wii Wii.
HA! Are you just saying that to distract yourself from the sales data that shows the Wii beating both the 360 and the ps3? Why would you spend time trashing other consoles when you could just trash people that trash your console?
this E3 did nothing but harm for Nintendo. the new peripheral to add extra motion control seems like an admission that the Wii never worked as described initially.
I agree>i have a wii i bought for my son.he has Mario,Lego star wars,and a couple more.Even he doesn't see any good games he wants for it this year.What games do they even have worth mentioning.He wants a xbox 360 for xmas,and he is 8.hmm I see that word of mouth will sell any crap as long as it is hyped to be good.Yes im a ps3 fanboy.lol
I'm seriously glad that they did not added it within the controller. The size back then would have been Big and power consuming(and expensive as hell). Also they never promised 1:1 gameplay, Wii-mote was doing its job and that was replace "buttons" with movement, or in your case "waggle". Its only better they are at least bringing this on the table, its better than nothing.
hey, nintendo was on a BIG roll lately. something like this was bound to happen. but in fairness to nintendo, its not like they said come to E3 this year everyone. we have some huge announcements for you.
... they have all year to NOT make announcements. That's what E3 and other conventions are for.
I don't know what world you were living in, but Nintendo basically lured in all the hardcore gamers with enticements of future reveals, got us in a dark shack behind the darker alley, and then punched us in the face with a middle finger. I don't give a rats ass about the "Wii is not hardcore" argument, as I love mine, but what does piss me of is Reggie saying "There will be hardcore news", and then expecting us to think Animal Crossing is hardcore...
but for the wrong thing. they apologized for not showing big franchise games, but what they should have apologized for was the quality and people used in the conference which was terribly awkward and weak. However, they could never apologize for something like that because it would be throwing some of their best execs under the bus...well at least they are apologizing for something about that debacle.
Everyone is complaining they didn't get a new Zelda, Mario or Kid Icarus, but those would be 3 titles. What about next E3, will they ask for the same batch again? Maybe DK or Luigi's H. Mansion? Look at PS360 games, there are 40-50+ games for the hardcore this holiday season alone including 3rd parties. The Wii has considerably less, Ummmm... Madworld looks intriguing, Deadly Creatures might be interesting. I'm trying to think of some more that are unique to the Wii. If the Wii was going to satisfy hardcores we would see the games this holiday like we do for the PS360, and not just from Nintendo. I had to laugh when Morgan Webb asked Reggie after the Nintendo interview what about the hardcore and he said, what do you mean we just announced Animal Crossing and GTA for DS. That should satisfy them.
At least they were man enough to admit it. That conference was horrible...I mean what were they thinking?!
they were thinking animal crossing T_T
Nintendo DID have GTA DS and Animal Crossing Wii. It goes like this... Sony------------------------N intendo------------------------ ------------------------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- -----------Microsoft.
=(HAHAHAH)...well u cant blame them, they are now focused to the casual market and every girl and parents loved nintendo e3 and u know the are waiting for wii music and animal crossing.
just as Konami does. The failure of their rock band rip off and a Castlevania fighting game???? I am still debating what is worse. The WiiMusic or the Konami Rock Star (or whatever it's called) presentation. I'm glad I'm a PS360 owner.
tn get shat upon.
but it really wasn't Zelda or even Mario I was expecting, it was just a GOOD game. I know Mad World, but c'mon 1 game??? But good for them for not ignoring us... completely.
ONe sentence you say just one good game is all you wanted then you get mad over just one game. Of course MAd world was hardly the only core game at E3. I guess you missed the next CoD, The Conduit and GTA on DS.
I cant believe that they say they need tons of development time when there games are pretty much last gen looking at best. God of war 2 on the ps3 looks better than any Wii game out in the market, and they at least announced a new one for next spring. I used to be a huge nintendo, Enix, and Squaresoft fan, but times change and so do people. Nintendo is after a casual type of market, and Squeenix is after anybody to make a quick buck. Both companies have changed for the worst,, and Im happy to say that Im lucky to be a ps360 owner.
I don't know about you guys, but I felt Nintendo turned their backs on hardcore gamers a long time ago. I own a Wii, PS3 and a Xbox 360. The console that gets the least love is Wii. I use my PS3 for Blu-Ray, Xbox 360 for games and my Wii for nothing! I can't even play a DVD movie in the Wii! The graphics most of the time are subpar (suprise?) and the controls are very awkward and gimmicky. Personally, I did not like Super Mario Galaxy as I still have not beaten the game. I pledged to beat all games I buy, but I had this game for 7-8 months now and beaten countless 360 games. An apology doesn't cut it, give me back my $250 or get some more third party support for hardcore game developers. I don't care about Petz for Wii or crap like that.
I have long since abandoned Nintendo. They aren't even hiding their abandonement of gamers anymore. The Wii will lead this generation, but I sense a huge falloff for the next one unless they make some drastic changes. The idea that their big wigs don't understand why people are upset is the most compelling evidence of their total lack of understanding what people who want to buy games to play want. Nintendo Wii, meet the Pet Rock.
I know a lot of hardcore Wii owners lost a lot of faith in Nintendo that day... I know I did T_T
For once the "consumers" and "industry" got to see what the New Nintendo is all about, and that making sure their beloved casual gamer gets looked after. The Nintendo conference was embarrasing to say the least, am sure they have games in the works to sweeten the hardcore Nintendo fans, but to let the conference denegrate into a mind bogling display nonsense is simply unforgetable!
thanks nintendo I respect you, now I realize that have all the big guns hiding cause they are in early development work hard guys super mario galaxy is one of the best games if not the best game this generation
...Thats what im trying to say all allong but people call me "fanboy" for that. E3 didn't mean anything, and Nintendo said before that they wont speak of their projects because the believe " it might get uninteresting after a while". This was pretty obvious, its just stupid to think they have nothing else in developement.
I like Mario as well,BUT it is clearly not the best game this generation.Before i get flagged by hate I own a wii and a ps3.As far the best game this Gen,hmm hard to say.Ps1 i clearly loved Final Fantasy.Ps2 gen was ruled by gta3.Now it's hard to pick a clear winner cause i've had a bunch of 360 games before mine broke,and now i'm enjoying ps3 so i guess mgs4,call of duty 4,or uncharted.Question how can you have a system this gen and not let it be hd.Without hd it may as well be last gen
Why should it be HD? With such a success, it seems things like HD look like trivial things to the majority of the consumers. " Without hd it may as well be last gen " Why? So now its not good that the Wii has AT LEAST more power? To your logic they should have left the specs lower than it is now...thats just stupid.
I know e3 was painful butI'll wait for tgs:)
you gave us what is probably one of the most lame and entertaining things ever at your conference. that Wii music thing... I've never laughed so hard lol -edit- "Hardcore" games my a$$ miyamoto playing Wii-sax was the most hardcore thing I've seen in a while
It doesnt matter. The people who are buying Wiis have no idea what E3 is.
why is it when people blame nintendo for them losing faith they bring up games like Petz? Like they have played Petz.Play a real game then judge wii......here ill judge xbox off this limited xbox bundle. http://www.engadget.com/200...
But Ninty still has a lot of good games coming Mad World (Wii) GTA DS (Hmmm, I would have to say DS) Animal Crossing Wii (uhh, Wii?) Call of Duty: World at War (Wii) Mario Sluggers (Wii) A list of DS RPGs too long to add. (Er, DS?)
despite people upset, at least they apologized. you won't be getting a hard core game (hey if you haven't come to terms with that by now you don't deserve to understand), but at least they stepped off their high horse (which to many on n4g isn't enough despite the fact they you don't own a wii and even if you do you don't admittedly play it) and apologized. enough
Not getting a core game? You missed Punch Out, SMG2 and new Zelda announcements? Wii is far from not getting any core games, they are just waiting for TGS to show them off. Oh and COD5, Mad World, Conduit, and GTA were at E3 for Nintendo. Hardly a casual only event with those games.
Nintendo didnt show any 1st party core titles. That hardly means that their E3 showing was nothing but casual games. CoD isnt a casual game. GTA isnt a casual game. Both were at Nintendo's E3. Of course haters dont care about that. They read that it was all casual so it must be true. The same people that cried 6 motnhs ago because of Poor 3rd party support and NIntendo's own first party franchises are the kids that are now crying because no first party franchises for core gamers showed at E3. Pick a side and stick to you. I bet half of that are crying now also complained about VC. Well they fixed that problem but you cant stop hating long enough to see that.
People complains about lack of "real" "traditional" "hardcore" games , and you try spinning a list of two titles ? COD5 and gta ds ? Really that's supposed to not be dissapointing ? The show was poor in both first party , and 3rd party titles . They hardly had major exclusives , and the quality of what they shown seems quite low . Like said earlier , they are apologizing for the wrong thing .. why apologize for not showing zelda ? Who cares , well we do , but this isnt the root of the problem , and we know zelda games always take time .
So, their conference was "disappointing" but you people have to stop pretending that E3 is the Final word of everything that is going to come. There are other Expo's coming to you know lots of information going to be released there too. People are overreacting, its just pathetic. I do think it was a failure, but MP and stuff like GTA on DS was at least a bit interesting.
i want an official Punch Out annoucement before i can believe it.
damage control , not falling for it . I always planned to only buy the nintendo titles released so far and futures zelda , metroid stuff along with 3-4 titles , yet despite that they managed to disappoint me with their utter lack of interest toward traditional gamers .
Be a bit realistic, Nintendo is a company NOT your best friend. You are only going to miss-out and Nintendo wont even notice the difference if you are not getting their games. Hell they could care less since there are others who are willing to spend their money on their games. Getting al emotional about this is just utterly nonsense.
Nintendo has become the joke of the industry, almost more so than Fony.
And you've become the joke of N4G, almost moreso than... well, nobody, really. I could say Power of Green, but even he looks like a regular Einstein when put in comparison with you. I guess maybe Rhezin and you could fight for the title of "biggest N4G clown"? Or how about PP or Nasim? I'm sure those two morons would be happy to play with you!
makes a really good point there, My girlfriend plays my wii more than I do now. and she wouldn't give a monkeys about how well Nintendo did at E3.
Not really much of a Nintendo 'fan' so to speak myself but I thought that the Nintendo press conference wasnt as overly bad as people make it seem apart from that snowboarding game at the start with that women (whatever her name was), she was annoying. I thought however the Wii Music and the GTA on the DS would be a great addition for Nintendo fans. People are way way overeacting, everyone makes mistakes. Some parts of the press conference were quite bad but give Satoru credit he has apologised. If people cant accept his apology then thats just pathetic.
Im kinda lost here. First they had a bad E3. Then they said "F you" to the hard core gamers, and now this? Well i respect what they had given us in the long run of games and ive been with Nintendo for a very long time. Its just that id wish they stop being so hard on themselfs to the hard core gamers. Sure many people did think it was a bad E3 for them. But for me, i dont really care. Im happy with whats already out for the WII. And if i have to wait for some more AAA games then so be it.
The majority of people who are buying the Wii do not read gaming mags or come to gaming websites. They bought the Wii to play bowling and will buy few - if any - other games. A bunch of the teachers at the school I work at bought Wiis - they do not follow the industry, let me tell you. All they know is some blurb on the evening news. Nintendo's hardcore loyal are a very small percentage of their current audience. Therefore, it makes little sense for them to invest in E3.
Just like anything else in this world that is new and tech, people are curious and are going to jump in (no pun intended) and buy, and the Wii is no exception. I knew from the get go what was and what is going to happen with the Wii. The Wii, because of it's somewhat innovative controller (Xavix, anyone?) had people lining up to buy the console, but sooner or later the inevitable was, is, and is going to happen. First off, besides Japan, where the Wii will sell forever despite infinite shovelware, the Wii is going to suffer the same fate of the gamecube and 64, too few great games, and no 3rd party support. I have already started to notice stores starting to stay stocked with Wiis now, and it is only going downhill from here, E3 was a testament. Nintendo found a niche market with nontraditional gamers, giving them games like Wii sports and Wii fit, but understand that besides Mario and Zelda and Metroid, Nintendo no longer caters to hardcore gamers, and really I can see why they are going with this strategy. 360 and PS3 are already spending tons of cash providing highend gaming for hardcore gamers, so what Nintendo did was gamble and target a whole new audience, and it has paid off, so far. But, what Nintendo didnt plan on was its competitors following suit with casual gaming so successfully. Take the 360 and all that is coming to it soon. You will not only be able to play board games (which will bring in a ton of casual gamers) but you will also be able to participate in virtual gameshows! This is huge news! So Microsoft will be catering to both hardcore gamers and casual gamers, and I'm sure the PS3 will have its own brand of casual that will take away from the Wii crowd as well. And really, how many times can we deal with the same few solid first party games that Nintendo always bring to the table??? How about some new Nintendo innovation in the way of games and not something lame like Wii sports? You get the same titles with the Wii and the DS, and with no 3rd party support for the Wii, now that people can actually buy a Wii (which I still believe shortage was strategy by Nintendo to keep Wii surrounded in mystery) sales will fall and by the end of this console war, 360 and PS3 will have the top two spots, with the Wii sales taking the dramatic downturn mid lifecycle...or even before.
It takes a big man to admit fault these days. Very good PR in my opinion.