It's not E3 yet, but Microsoft has taken the wraps off of this "Independent Developers Pack" Xbox One, in Australia of all places.
So they will probably announce the new controller and the new bundle during their E3?
If so kind of lame... Sure release these new decent items, but to dedicate time in a 90 min conference for something so miniscule is just stupid. Announce an awesome Halo 5 console or maybe a larger HDD SKU not this
No You're LAME, this is awesome. Xbox One more skus with different games is not bad. Plus they can always announce more skus at E3. Sorry for the edits..frrikkin this auto correct and for some reason everytime i hit backspace it just gives me like ten words. Like thisthithisthisthi
Hopefully they announce that they're finally updating the Xbone to include dev kit capabilities. That would be a good tie in to this bundle.
So ironic to see on the one hand MS releasing a X1 bundle with indie games, while on the other hand Xbox fanboys accusing (without reasons) Sony gamers for buying the Indiestation 4. Wow, I cannot wait to see how Xbox fan boys will react to this. Most probably, they will praise this decision made by MS and twist in a way their accusation. Irrespectively, it is now OFFICIAL that X1 is the Indie-station.
IndieBOX but yeah, curious to see if the hypocrites from the xbox camp will ever come forward to troll this.
This reminds me of the xbox 360 arcade pack. Sadly I don't see this selling very well.
this is nothing like a arcade pack
How? The Arcade 360 was the bare bones system that had a less premium look and worse extras. This is 7 indies game with a regular Xbone console
Think sure is talking about the arcade pack unplugged 360 bundle which included some XBLA games on a disc.
As great as indies are, don't see anyone going out of their way to buy this bundle when its kept next to a Cod or fifa bundle.
XD I love indies but I find it hilariously Ironic how we have heard "Indiestation" being thrown around by Xbox fanboys.....Then Microsoft literally put out an Indiebox LMFAO. #Idarb is a great game though still this makes me chuckle.
xbox started the whole "indie" phase on consoles. Xbox never ran away from having indies but its sony bending over backwards to get indies on there platform,it's also sony themselves who stated they are cutting back on triple a games and focus on prmoting indies,thus the indiestation 4. xbox has exclusive heavy hitters,indies ps4 is indies and remasters. Big diff
Oh, really? Is that why Sony has far more AAA exclusive titles in development for their console? Don't believe me? ND is making a game Santa Monica is making a game Guerrilla is making a game Guerrilla Cambridge is making a game Sucker Punch is making a game Quantic Dream is making a game Media Molecule is making a game Polyphony is making a game Sony Bend is making a game Insomniac is making a game Sony Japan Studio probably has multiple projects going Level 5 is making a PS4 exclusive Sony just opened a studio to develop project morpheus games From Software is probably going to be starting the initial stages of the BloodBorne sequel soon Ready at Dawn is probably making a sequel to The Order. Atlus is making a Persona 5 Capcom is making Street Fighter 5 The list goes on... You Xbox fans keep talking about all these big heavy hitters M$ is coming out, but what's gonna happen after the holidays this year? You're gonna wait several more months for Quantum Break and ScaleBound, and then what? Another sideline Halo/ Fable/ Forza? Gears 4? M$ starts off every gen with a decent amount of AAA games, but then after the dust settles, they immediately fall back on only what sells the most, leaving you fans getting 2-3 "heavy hitters" per year, and you then you all fall back on "Oh uuhh uuum... Quality over Quantity!", but then you aren't even getting that. Get over your bullshit propaganda.
Lol sony isn't bending over backwards. Thier policies are just more welcoming than microsofts and let's not forget the larger install base. So it makes sense for smaller devs who can't make multiplatform games at the same time to go for the console who has little to no stipulations on allowing the game to be released on the console as well as larger potential sales.
@dialga You basically listed studios and put "making a game." You should have listed what MS is working on right now as well because you compared nothing in your post, so how can anybody really believe you? Either way, I'm sure Sony will show some of these games at E3, which we all look forward to, but MS has some secrets as well, maybe even some exclusives from 3rd party studios. We just don't know enough yet. What really doesn't sit well with me though, as Sony stated, is they are starting to see a gaming drought. MS is going through one that is going to be over soon and got bashed all over this site for it, and now that Sony is everything is still fine because they have games coming out later? I don't appreciate the double standard. If you can't see at this point that Phil is changing how MS does business, maybe E3 will open our eyes to new possibilities.
Sony had their simple series of games back on the PS1. There were a couple hundred games released for it. Each on came on its own disc. It offered an inexpensive developers license to smaller independent studios which wasn't available before on consoles after the NES and developers required publisher support to make a game for consoles themselves, mostly because cartridge production was rather expensive. MS innovated by making XNA to allow the more accessible hobbyist developer, which could also include rather small indie studios, and they did have their accessible indie initiatives for smaller developers that could self-publish through the internet, but this was something born of the internet. All the other comparisons in your statement are just wrong. Anyways, if PS4 has more indies now, doesn't that just go to show that MS kind of gave up on the market, whereas Sony embraced it? Should they be criticized for that? That seems a bit disingenuous given that you applaud MS so heavily for bringing it to consoles. By your reasoning, you would say that MS did a bad thing for bringing indies to console.
@Rainslacker "Anyways, if PS4 has more indies now, doesn't that just go to show that MS kind of gave up on the market, whereas Sony embraced it?" Sony pretty much pushed the whole indie marketing movement complete with the PR tagline of "<3 indies" to compensate for their lack of triple A titles. This was pretty much the motive behind this band wagon movement coming off of the heels of MS's own successful XNA games. I said this in the past and it seems pretty obvious now. MS never gave up on indies they just didn't need to put them on a pedestal and force feed them down their fans throat as Sony did.
I don't think MS gave up on indies, just that ilikepizza's reasonings conflict with one another. I don't see Sony's push for indies as a way to compensate for their perceived lack of AAA 1st party titles, just as Sony recognizing the merits and popularity of indie games that has come about in recent years. Sony was pushing indie games last gen as well when they were releasing a ton of games. They've expanded on that this gen, and made indie game development more accessible on the PS4. Why wouldn't they promote that as a key part of their marketing since it is a key part of their system. They haven't stopped making AAA games in favor of indie games, they've only started investing more in indie development. It's only fan boys who want to make the indie scene a negative now, mostly to try and reinforce this narrative that Sony isn't making or releasing AAA games.
Sony is not cutting back on AAA 1st party games. PS4 has both exclusive heavy hitters and indies/remasters. You are spreading lies and trolling as usual. Sony has far more 1st party support. To be announced shortly: The Last of Us 2, God of War 4, Gran Turismo 7, Horizon, Gravity Rush 2, and AAA games from Sucker Punch, Media Molecule, Japan Studio, Guerilla Cambridge, Sony Bend, Sony London, and Quantic Dream.
Jesus Christ, Gangsta. What garbage are you spewing? Are you trying to prove that you're not a fanboy, or that you are? Sony started their adornment of homebrew indies last gen, and ramped it up during the times in which they were releasing the most first-party content out of any of the console manufacturers. What an obtuse liar you are proving to be. So where's your proof of that which you claim? You're always so eager to ask Sony fans for evidence on claims (not Xbox fans though, they're golden), but not playing by your own rules now are you G? Nope - you are making up things to suit your agenda of discrediting indie devs and their place on the PS4, whilst ignoring that no generation in PlayStation history has had a stellar first or second year in terms of first-party releases. Yes Gangsta, a "bandwagon movement" to do the same as any other generation with their first-party developers. What a useless bandwagon.... LOLZ. ----- "MS never gave up on indies they just didn't need to put them on a pedestal and force feed them down their fans throat as Sony did." The developers don't seem to be saying that en masse now do they? They were sure as heck asking for a program that MS didn't make sure to incentivise or makes appealing to them. Goddamn to your lies. You've shown your colours one too many times.
Xbox gamers don't like indie games, based on the comments that I've seen in the last year and a half. Probably not the best direction to go for Microsoft. lol
It's the best direction for Microsoft appearing open towards indies; however, I doubt this will sell well, because you're right... Xbox gamers don't generally like indies, unless they're AAA quality, such as Ori (this would have had more of a chance if Ori was included). I expect that once Xbox has Universal Apps that allow indies to develop games for Microsoft tablet, PC, phone, and Xbox all at once, we'll see Xbox take the lead in that area, both in terms of indie games supported and overall number of games on the platform. I think what will help make indies more popular on Microsoft's platform will be enabling indies that are CrossPlay\CrossBuy, for buy once and play on all supported Microsoft devices with CrossSave, etc. Edit: I doubt this will happen, though I think Microsoft should release a bundle such as this with all the games being Universal Apps for that people can then play the including games on Xbox PLUS Windows 10 PC, tablet, and phone, with CrossSave and achievements among all those, as a show of what's possible with the "Xbox Platform" they're building. @rainslacker, Actually, I have thought that the abstraction of Universal Apps could be too limiting for advanced games. I hope you're wrong. How do you explain Halo: Spartan Assault being published by Microsoft as a Universal App for showing what's possible? http://www.windowscentral.c... Apply what I've been describing about Sony fans being BACKWARDS to your insults of fanboy colors showing, ignorance, and sheep. Thanks for helping to prove my theory about Sony fans are BACKWARDS. @rainslacker, I actually agree that "indies", such as Ori, may require too much performance for abstraction, and if you just made that kind of point rather than being insulting while trying to paint Universal Apps as only able to run games like Candy Crush (while glorifying your self importance), I might have agreed with you. The points I made still stand about how I think Microsoft should promote what's possible for indies with Universal Apps, and I still don't know what you're implying that I should verify? <- As I said, you're BACKWARDS, and that must mean you need to VERIFY something... How about you VERIFY that I indicated INDIES rather than demanding games as Universal Apps in my comments, because I knew that abstraction was a limitation. I agree that Ori may be going beyond what's possible; however, I didn't directly indicate Ori... obviously I meant that Ms should promote Universal App indies, "as a show of what's possible with the "Xbox Platform" they're building."... if Ori isn't POSSIBLE, then that isn't what I was saying. How about you also VERIFY what I have been writing about in the posts that you ask me not to write... about how Sony fans constantly *SPIN* negatives into positives and positives into negatives, such as you have been doing trying to slight Universal Apps as if they can barely run any indies while the truth is that they should be able to run MOST indies.
I think too many gamers equate indie with mobile level quality, even though that's not even 100% accurate anymore. I'm sure the average xbox gamer likes indies about as much as the average PS gamer, it's the fan boys that want to use it as some sort of attack for their console wars. @DDOS Universal apps isn't really that sufficient for making games. It's equivalent to XNA, which while suitable for some games, won't give you the quality of the more robust indie game. Games like Ori could not be made on XNA, so if you want to praise universal app games, you have to accept those same kind of games from the other side, which you obviously do not. Universal apps is simply a framework(.NET) which removes the hardware, and even the OS from the equation. It's akin to Java, Mono, anything with Visual attached to it from MS, or XNA, and is the highest level of abstraction you can use, making it unsuitable for demanding games. It will not be there for the huge migration of indie devs to easily port their games between platforms, but used more like what most people consider the mobile game tripe that they more often than not criticize. Universal Apps is just the consumer marketing name for .NET, it's not new, it's been around for close to 20 years now. It's widely used already, and it has it's advantages, just not for demanding games. The difference now is that MS is extending it's one platform initiative, which will make it much more appealing to app developers, but again, not so much game developers who have an interest in high quality presentations. Once again you show your fanboy colors and complete ignorance of anything involved in the gaming world so you can praise MS like the sheep you are.
@DDOS based on a PM he sent to me. Do you consider Halo:Spartan Assault much more than your standard phone game? Is it really so advanced that it falls into the category of even mid-tier for a console/PC release, even by mobile game standards? It'll probably be an OK game, but is it really the kind of game that people go on and on about, or is it just another one of those mobile games that people seem to have so many problems with? That's the point Silent was trying to make, and that I followed up on. Universal apps is a framework environment that has it's limitations. The framework has been around for a while, and there is nothing to say that it will expand any further without substantial inreases in hardware efficiency. Universal Apps will bring more games like this to the XBox, and other windows systems, but given how much contention there is for these types of games, is it something good? I say it is a good thing, because choice is good. But it's not going to bring you games like Ori or any highly acclaimed PC/console indie game. It'll bring you the mobile style of game, because that's what it's meant for. It won't even bring you the high end mobile games, as those require game engines that go above the standard API's available for mobile, which renders universal apps moot, as they already can build to multiple devices with little work. As far as your PM to me. If you want me to stop jumping on your ass in multiple threads then stop spreading idiotic statements like you have a clue. I do this kind of stuff for a living. I have years of experience at it. I keep up on this stuff because I have to for both work, and because I want to for my own personal knowledge. If I appear backwards to you, then it's because you don't care to actually verify anything that I say, because you are more concerned with your own viewpoint being right. That's a problem of yours, and if you keep posting the same way you do, people will keep jumping over you for it. If not me, then someone else. That's the way the internet works. If you don't like it, then I suggest you just stop posting. I haven't made myself look like an imbecile except to the people that don't care to verify anything I say.
If he's sending you flaming/insults over personal messages, report him. It's an obvious troll down to 1 bubble, anyway.
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