GGG discusses how Nintendo potentially using Android in their mysterious NX product could be a good thing for gamers.
This doesn't sound good to me. There's a reason every other Android-based console has flopped.
In those situations, the consoles themselves were not very good and it just offered phone games. I'm not too excited with the prospect of a console being connected with phones and tablets, though.
About those phone games. Nintendo said that the NX wasn't designed to replace the Wii U. http://www.gamespot.com/art... It's utilizing Android. If it isn't a replacement for the Wii U or 3DS, and it's utilizing Android isn't that heavily indicative the content will be geared toward mobile style titles, i.e. phone games? People can flip, flop, and fly while defending Nintendo but honestly this is not a good indicator. Its more like, "Nintendo buys Ouya." On the upside perhaps they already have Konami lined up to produce multiple titles...
" There's a reason every other Android-based console has flopped." Completely irrelevant. Android is an operating system which you can dismantle and change as you like ( it's open source ) . It means absolutely nothing in the current context. Beside that, it's Nintendo. They can market the hell out of it unlike the others who have tried.
They can market the hell out of it like they did with the Wii U... oh, wait...
gprime, I guess financial power means nothing to you then? Don't do business please.
You're indirectly implying because they didn't have Nintendo support.
Nintendo Operating systems are based on Unix anyway, not a huge difference from android. Chances are if they do go down this route you might actually see a twitch app etc. Main importance is quality of games and pricing of games, if they get that right it won't matter what OS it's based on.
No, none of Nintendo's OS's are based on Unix/Linux.
* NX is going to be different than the console or handheld. They aren't going to mess with their console or dedicated handheld market. The NX is the 3rd thing which bring in the mobile users.
of course because it probably some stuff someone made up
the only good thing about nintendo using android in NX is that it shows nintendo are still 'with it' in regards to current technology and trends. maybe the NX is basically a nintendo branded 'gaming focused' phone that can interface with other nintendo systems? if it is, then nokia did that with N-gage, and that was horrible knowing nintendo they will make a mobile phone that can take game cartridges
Sony had a Playstation phone. I doubt any of us are going to give up our IPhones or Galaxys for any Nintendo phone. If that is what you meant. I probably am misunderstanding you?
They call it a dedicated games device, so its not a phone. Also they just confirmed no android OS.
Good read. The part where he says Nintendo would include 8GB of HBM memory to really pack a punch is something I see could happen for real. I'd say they're likely to go with at least 6gb hbm instead of 8gb simply because android OS isn't so demanding on processing power like other OS. Also, Nintendo don't normally make their games with heavy deep rich(mature) textures in their games. That said, they won't need the extra memory grunt. They'll have to play to their strength more by focusing on what they do best, which is game play, and not rely on just visuals alone. They'll build the NX based on what they can do talent wise.
I'll be content if it's not 4 gamecubes taped together.
4 gamecubes? I highly doubt it too. with 180nm process will make the nx run very hot. Time that by four and you'll have yourself the best cook out grill ever. Ha, we don't need another george foreman grill. http://www.techpowerup.com/...
Seriously doubt the 8GB of HBM. Nintendo would kill themselves if they launch a $400 - $500 console. For console their core audience is 15m tops, and the rest of their sales come from being a kid friendly and affordable. If they drop affordability they've lost 1/3 of their market Day 1, and more than likely 2/3 of their market since parents are less likely to spend $400 - $500 on what they think of as a purely gaming console for their kids (especially when Xbox and PlayStation are more established brands with 3rd parties, and will cost less by 2016). If Nintendo does anything it be either a mobile device (most likely), a micro console (least likely), or a low power console that rivals PS4/XBO that launches right after the mobile device (highly probable). My guess is the NX is a Wii U replacement in 2016 - 2017. The 2016 handheld will function as a tablet controller for the 2017 console, however, the handheld will play games like all the other handhelds before it (but it will still be able to stream the console games). The console will be on par with the PS4/XBO and be the hub for keeping all your games and content, and allow you to stream and transfer games from it to you handheld on the go. Specs Handheld-2016 Quad 2.0 GHz Cortex A57 (possibly 2x Quad adding A53) Adreno 420+ (200 - 300 GFLOPS) 1GB - 3GB RAM 128 - 512MB VRAM $199 (basically a Galaxy S5 - Galaxy Note 4, but with cheaper materials to get that price down) Console-2017 AMD's Kaveri successor Quad-Core / 6-Core CPU (for much better CPU performance) 1.3T - 2T TFLOPS (Quad Core = XBO+, 6 core = PS4+) 4GB System RAM 4GB HBM Graphics RAM 500GB HDD (finally) $299 - $349 (basically and XBO or PS4 with a much better CPU, which will be needed to stream content to up to 2 or 4 of the handheld devices at the same time, something the Wii U couldn't do). Also comes with an upgraded Tablet controller that doesn't look like a fisher Price toy.
History has shown us time after time Nintendo despise loading time. They have maintained and stricken their approach to lessen the loading time with just about every gaming console they have ever made, from n64 to the wii U. With this in mind, I think on their next machine they will try to tighten that up the loading time a bit more as much as they can and push it way beyond the ps4/x1 hardware capability to ensure the loading time are better than MS/sony's current gen console. I think they will go the way of the neo geo and use hardware competent that can send receive data information in seconds. In my experience, I noticed on particular hardware competent that always seem to get avoided in every single game console that has ever been made to date; the mother board. A 2 ply motherboard were used in the 360/ps3 and I think it has made it ways inside current gen console which sucks because the more ply the motherboard has the faster the send and revive data will be between hardware components. Neo geo had a 4ply MOBO. Ok, lets get down to the Nitty gritty. The only system I see that seem to work for Nintendo well was the n64 simply because I noticed how things chance for them once they use a system that virtually has no loading time. It's one of the reason I think most people loved Mario 64. To cut this short, I'm going to say that with flash memory/Fast ram getting getting cheaper and cheaper, they will take a completely different approach this time around.
32gig flash memory is way better then HDD, its same reason big downloads are faster on the Wii U, so I am confuse on why you want them to take a step back and get HDD instead of a higher flash memory
@Gemmol 32GB can't hold more than 3 retail if that at the level of PS4 / XBO, which is why you're forced to used an external if you want to store more games and content. What's stupid is to expect 32GB to suffice for a device that's suppose to last several years and store all your game content. Flash memory may be better, and faster, but it's illogical to use that small pool. A 500Gb HDD is the same price as 64GB of flash. Their choices are 500GB HDD $30 / 1TB HDD $50, a 120GB SSD $60 (FM), or a smaller flash 64GB $30 / 128GB $70 - $80. That being said once again, Nintendo is hard pressed for a price point that can never extend over $350. SO what's more important, CPU performance, GPU performance, RAM, or Storage Space / Storage speed. The SSD would be the best option. but again is it worth 1/5 of their entire console budget.
@ABizzel1 You see, IGN thinks Nintendo may take a wildly different direction with the NX. I said the same thing. Nintendo will take a completely different approach this time around....with the NX. http://www.ign.com/articles...
At this point I still think NX is a handheld device (practically a Nintendo tablet). It doesn't make sense for it to be anything else but a tablet or some iteration on that. It's suppose to bring mobile and Nintendo together, well Smartphones and tablets are the biggest mobile devices, and I just don't see Nintendo making a phone, or it taking off since Apple and Samsung have so much market share across the world. That being said the tablet market has a little more room to maneuver, and they're bigger than phones which means they can store better hardware (for gaming), better batteries (for gaming on the go), and it's a familiar format and off the shelf parts that both consumers and developers can easily get behind. A micro console is possible, but it doesn't make sense. It has to be a 4DS or a tablet.
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I hope they get this right and it sales and performs really well. It's better for the gaming industry Nintendo is doing well.
maybe it will dual boot android with the NX true os.. if it runs android they already have the wiiu controller to use the android apps with, unless they are planning to make a new version of the gamepad
I think the ideal version of the NX would be a thinner WiiU gamepad w/ higher resolution screen that could stream to a TV. They could probably produce one fairly cheaply that could play any digital VC or 3DS or aDS games, and the android OS would (theoretically) make it much easier for third parties to port games to it. So we could see a future where Hearthstone, Baldur's Gate, Knights of the Old Republic, etc. are all on a Nintendo platform.
If it IS their next console then I'd be dissapointed Can't just do a traditional console anymore can they
Exactly! Everything is a rumor at this point but I hope the Wii U was a wake up call for these guys. From 1st place to last place in sales and nearly all 3rd party support has jumped ship. How about focusing on a console that is a powerhouse out of the box, backed with an impressive list of 1st and 3rd party titles at launch. Make Nintendo the #1 console of choice in the living room once again. It could happen if they followed how Sony won back the market and fired away at launch with the many exclusives gamers have been begging for. Combine all this with actual marketing and adequate processing power in place to run all 3rd party games at 60fps at 1080p. I still have hope for the big N.
Without official word from a Nintendo exec, this should be marked down as a rumor. Heresay from some no-name "official source" is not evidence enough, and even if this turns out to be true, keep in mind two things: #1 They announced the NX early to COUNTER all the "going full mobile" talk. #2 They've already implicitly stated that console games will not show up on phones. Both of these things point to this news being highly suspect, if not flat-out click bait.
Nintendo returning to their glory days i hope. Can u imagine a new nintendo console with a normal controller, a big hard drive, is more powerful than ps4 and xb1, gets all multiplats, full online gaming, voice chat, parties ect.. Would be a good day for nintendo if they went back to being a normal console first, special unique controllers secondary. Android as an OS base could be really smart. Would make it easy to get apps and games on the console.
LOL More click bait romour stuff... damn come on, they have not even confirmed anything yet
This is a rumor just like P.T. going to the XB1 don't be fooled by clickbait.
@Foxtrot Do not be shocked to see even Microsoft, and Sony to go this route soon themselves in say the next generation. Take a look at this. This is mobile Soc that has four groups of quad core CPU' cores right on the same Die. m.androidcentral.com/mediatek -reveals-first-arm-cortex-a72- p rocessor-made-android-tablets This is the entry level one and it while small has very powerful compute performance index. While it is the smaller of the class 4 groups instead of the more powerful with 8 groups of quad core per of 4 Each..it is still 16 CPU cores the larger has for example for 32 separate programmable CPU cores each core clock rate 2.5 GHz. Than you also have a GPU like a MALI or SGX or an Adreno. With multiple cores all on a 19nm scaled Soc chip. Think about this. Since both the ps3 and xbox360 are running GTA V with less that a total of 1GB of system ram, most of the new phones has more than 1GB of system ram and storage in the area over 64 GB SD storage support. Its only a matter of time at this point. Since Bluetooth game pads are pretty much standard supported outright, along with Bluetooth keyboard support. Again its already advanced enough to move games needing such oomph, ironic thing is this is running on a device that was designed as a phone 1st. But when every phone that release has specs like this developers and publishers ask why not. Its like ARM holdings chips for the console biz is designed to be geared like Intel, AMD and Nvidia is for PC market. At smartphones, tablets and top set boxes along with smart TV, setups ARM is gearing along with partners to supply servers with these arm chips in them. The trends in gaming designed hardware is getting powerful low cost box type design with lower cost to invest in by consumers and companies and developers and publishers. This is a real benefit. Just because its a mobile chip does not mean its not viable for dedicated console system market. As a matter of fact its better than the higher cost going with modded Desktop PC parts. These mobile chips are already directX 12 , and Vulkan compliant already!
Android is nothing more than an OS and isn't indicative of what the NX will be for-factor wise nor in terms of performance and content. Presuming they choose Android as the foundation of their OS (remember, Android itself is based on Linux, and can be modified and optimized for certain uses and devices), this could finally lead to a (portable?) gaming device with an half-decent OS; the Vita's bubbles and the sluggish 3DS interface being years behind what is available on the mobile front. As for those pointing out that previous Android "consoles" have failed, they failed because they lacked content and relied heavily on the commonly available Android games and apps as opposed to developing killer apps of their own. The OS doesn't determine the games. If the NX isn't an home console, but a portable device, it would mean it's an ARM powered one (similar to all previous handhelds, including the PSP and the Vita). Using Android would be more cost-efficient than building an OS from scratch and would still likely perform better while also insuring that apps like Youtube and Netflix could very easily be brought to the system with little work. As for performance, once again presuming they are launching a handheld as opposed to a console, with chips like the nVidia Tegra X1 currently on the market, one can imagine the NX could be quite the powerhouse compared to the Vita and the 3DS and would represent a significant leap. I suggest we wait for Nintendo to at least reveal some info before judging whether or not the NX will be a success. All we know at the moment is that Nintendo is working on something called the NX, and that's it.
Android itself is based on Linux? actually it's not entirely based on linux. They've only added some portion of linux to add some extra level of security ,and that's it. Many companies have taken similar approach like MS's Windows for instance. They incorporated linux to the separate boot partition to secure it. Before then, it was almost close to impossible to prevent the main OS and the boot partition from getting infected with virus and malware. Though, By adding partial linux on the boot partition of windows has helped kept the software invader away, and preventing it from gaining access to the system files.
Lol, this is not just a single die having just a single Quad core people... Think about this for a sec..the PSVita has a single Quad Core cortex A9 with a Quad Core SGX543mp4+ GPU with 128 MB of dedicated GPU Ram. This is pretty snazzy hardware for a mobile system..which aside from the Nvidia Shield is the highest performance game handheld out there. This new chip is on a order of far larger compute performance indexing. They are now using compute "clusters" on a single SOC is : pretty much a mobile class very of a PC server! www.arm.com/products/processo rs/cortex-a/cortex-a72-process o r.php Then take note of this Arm Holdings do not make chips! they license the design technology out even Microsoft uses their designs you know the type where windows 10 is going on mobile chipsets right along with living room game consoles and their PC's. That means that the way strongarm processors in smartphones where games were mainly all flag 2D side scrolling, and you end up with poor control input methods. You now have smartphones now in less than 10 years time running games like GTA San Andreas, add in a Bluetooth game pad, and is the experience any diff. From the ps2 or 1st Xbox? No as a matter of fact the resolution was bumped up over the 1st Xbox and ps2 very. Now these new chips would be able to handle games like GTA iv and V. With HDMI out. This is not like mobile hardware of the 2000's. Some and many on here still seem to see it that way, but its not. Its quite a large gap vs old hardware. Again they are DirectX 12 and Vulkan compliant. Run full unity 5 engine and full unreal engine 4 not stripped down versions of the engine.
If there's one thing that we've learned from Nintendo's recent products, its that they consciously avoid designing any kind of even remotely high end hardware. They instead design the cheapest possible base console, severely gimping the specs and outright leaving out commonly expected features, to keep their costs to a bare minimum (and to keep their profits high). They then throw in a gimmick to reel people in. This approach worked (for a while) with the original Wii, but failed miserably for the Wii U. It also resulted in a wholly inadequate 3DS, which had to be redesigned/enhanced just to run an old Wii game. What a scam that they actually released a slightly enhanced 3DS just to play one game! The bottom line? Don't expect Nintendo to actually put any kind of remotely cutting edge hardware into their future gaming products; they just don't want to spend the time and money on the design, but instead prefer to put out the cheapest possible hardware, and throw in a questionable gimmick, to maximize profits and minimize costs. The people who suffer for that are, of course, their diehard fans.
Suffering is sticking Xbox parts on your Vita..
If this news is true Microsoft is going to be really happy. If it sells really well Microsoft will be getting a couple of billion out of Nintendo every year....
@superchiller Hey great post, but also while Nintendo does not go for the highest performance system. The point is now the higher system performance at rock bottom pricing has come to them so to speak. Look at this as an example. www.hardkernel.com/main/produ cts/prdt_info.php?g_code=G14044 8267127&tab_idx=2 Single board low heat and can run with low thermal disruption on system stability and performance. Top it off its running on a single board the size of a deck of cards! This would stomp the PSVita into the ground in performance and its less than $179.00 now With 2GB of ram is it near the ps4 or Xbox one, lol no but its heading to a point now where even these single board systems that cost real cheap to produce could run games like GTA: IV and V. And that is a big point exactly why 3rd party are investing into mobile as a platform. Because Mobile is not just about being only for just phone calling its pretty much now a platform embedded compute platform with enough graphical oomp right on a single board built system with. No moving parts except for a small watt fan if that , which can now run graphic intensive game on a general compute device! Phones are getting GPU's inside of them that frankly 10 years ago were built in performance for game consoles and outdated Legacy PC hardware. Now you most deadly on hand general compute platform is on hand and its inside your phone! Control impute methods are really not much of a problem when wired OTG USB or Bluetooth game pad impute is native supported. The market is just changing with the convergence in the electronics industry that's all, this also happened with the PDA device industry. It was absorbed by smartphones but as a core process function, now your PDA is included into every phone produced.
In their board meetings they continually show a chart that show- Smartphones/Tablets, PC, 3DS, WiiU will be able to connect to the NX. In what way I don't know, But having Android aboard will make all of that easier. They have also recently made a partnership with the Japanese mobile company DeNA- http://www.reuters.com/arti... (NO Mario is not going mobile...exactly) - we have yet to see what that partnership will bring but I bet Android use will help them realize that goal.
It'd be awesome if the next Nintendo console could sync w/ Google Accounts, so we could play awesome Android games on it: like ALL of the Dragon Quests and classic Final Fantasies, stuff like King of Dragon Pass, 80 Days, Hearthstone, Baldur's Gate, etc., etc. But it's Nintendo, so it ain't gonna happen.
I'm gonna throw this out there just for kicks....what if the NX was actually a phone with a slide out keyboard controller, 5/6" touch screen and capable of handling and producing 720/30fps?? I've noticed everyone talking about mobile technology but not seen anyone up to now suggest that!! Coupled with Nintendo venturing into mobile, not producing any games yet...surely it's geared towards that in someway shape or form?! Or am I really that drunk?!
I hope Nintendo does go with a Android OS with the NX cause Wii U OS is too kid like Android will definitely fix that
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