Cinematic games are leading the charge in the industry nowadays, which is a great thing, but there are many games out there that, if given a graphical downgrade, would still be considered fantastic experiences.
Immersion should come first no matter what. Why play a game if it doesn't immerse you into the experience? Of course, this is my opinion
I think devs should at least be honest when they release gameplay videos and stop making the graphics look awesome then at retail release the graphics are downgraded. All I want is real gameplay footage no B.S.
"Why people need to be reminded that visuals are secondary." Very silly. Visuals are very important first and foremost
Reminding PC fanboys that graphics are not the most important thing about a game is like talking to a wall.
Well, in this case, they released the initial gameplay target video 2 years before the release. A lot of things change in that time.
And yet PC gamers support games and dont snob at games that are not gfx intense. Console fanboys are funny when a lot of the best selling games that are fun and don't look so called next gen console gamers wouldn't even give a chance have a look at any dd store and tell me what's the to 20 games and tell me if all they care about gfx, in contrast to a certain fanboys that make excuses about a mediocre game that have great gfx that a hallway shooter and hype up every exclusive with great gfx. Yeah PC gamers are gfx whores, especially since without our support a lot of games would even made it to consoles.
@ShinMaster not just any wall. it's PC Master Wall!
Seriously it what most people want to see is gameplay on the system they want to play it on.
graphics are important and so are many aspects of a game.. I remember the first time I saw Tomb raider on PC it was the first thing that came to mind.. the gameplay is intricately related to graphics IMO
"the gameplay is intricately related to graphics" No it's not. Physics or art direction maybe.
^This. So many people keep saying "Who cares about the graphics" Visuals and audio are the ways in which gameplay is fed back to us. Whatever anyone says, the graphics are a significant part of a game, and DIRECTLY affect how gameplay is perceived. In other words, they directly affect how entertaining the gameplay is. That's just a fact.
"Why Gamers Need to Be Reminded That Graphics are Secondary" Well, apparently this gen, it seems graphics are more important then anything else... all these news and articles about 1080p/900p/720p on games, like it or not, help sell the PS4. Most people are purchasing the PS4, not for quality exclusives, but for better looking multiplatform games.
Or maybe people are buying PS4 because not everyone loves to play "dude-bro" games like Halo every single year... Or maybe because both consoles have almost every game (multi-platform) in common and want the best for what they pay for? If you like paying the same price for a less optimized version of what you buy, then good for you I guess.
And?..... if you have a choice of the same game on 2 platforms and one performs and looks better you choose that one, the gameplay is the same just one looks better. secondly "Most people are purchasing the PS4, not for quality exclusives, but for better looking multiplatform games" please show me the source you have for this data you seem to posses.
What's with all the hyperbole talk out of the Xbox camp around here? There's so much twisting I don't think you guys even know what reality looks like anymore. Graphics counted last generation, when blades of grass or 17p were a massive deal on multiplats. Now that framerates are routinely better, and the resolution is consistently superior on PS4, graphics no longer matter, right? Riiight. You have any evidence at all to back up your claim of why most people buy a PS4? Cuz it's far more likely that it's both of those things, plus a host of others, like Microsoft screwing up, Nintendo being Nintendo- and not having the casuals to bail them out- and playing all the right notes themselves. You can SAY it's one thing, like hype, or better looking multiplats. You can type it til your fingers fall off. Won't make it true, and only makes you look salty.
Please stop with this young generation "immersion" crap. "Why play a game if it doesn't immerse you into the experience?". You're joking right? It's called fun... I realize these new kids have replaced that word with "immersion", but it still exists for most of humanity. Small example, not a single person I've ever met got "immersed" into Mario 64, but almost everyone rates it very highly. Ever wonder why? FUN. Have a good day. And will some of you please quit being so "immersed" that you that you start losing brain cells... It's not "would of" or "should of", it's would HAVE, and should HAVE. Gamers used to be smart, now look at them..
The reason why games are fun for me is because the bring me to something that's literally out of this world. They immerse me into an experience I can't find anywhere else and that's what's fun for me. When the regular world gets boring I go into the virtual world for fun/immersion which to me is kind of the samething in many cases.
@Rimeskeem While i agree immersion is good in video games. but the first thing for me is fun and enjoyment. If those are in the game for me the rest falls in place.
I completely agree, I just find being immersed into something makes it a lot more fun.
Why play a game if it doesn't immerse you? Maybe because it's... Fun? Very rare for me to ever feel "immersed" in a game, and it usually isn't why I play games.
Because if you're not having fun with the game play how can you ever hope to be immersed. "Why play a game if it doesn't immerse you into the experience?" >why play a game >play a game >play You don't play visuals so they should be secondary after polished game play.
Immersion is a war that's waged on many fronts. Sound design, gameplay systems, controls, voice acting, narrative, atmosphere, physics, and graphics all play an intricate role in achieving true immersion. Graphics are a huge part of the equation, and one could argue that they're the largest piece of the puzzle. Problems arise though, when the other pieces are pushed to the back burner in the name of simply accommodating graphical fidelity. A balance needs to be struck in order to achieve true immersion.
Graphics are secondary yeah it used to be that way. Now our eyes are to used to last gen and this gen of games. It's hard to look at older games at times. As long as they're HD remaster it's all good or they aged well. It's usually ps1 games that's hard to look at at times.
I was able to get immersed in Mappy Land for NES no problem. I never once thought it was real and it was just fine. Equating Realism with being better is just ignorant. It CAN be better, if done right, but it doesn't guarantee it at all. I still much prefer a colorful art style that is pleasing to look at over "super realistic graphics" any day, although I DO appreciate a game that does realism in a believable way. * The human eye can see 5,000,000+ colors. I can't stand when people think Realism = black,grey,dark yellow, brown, dark brown, more black, red, black, red, black red, somehow = Realism and awesome graphics.....it's just narrow minded. Awesome graphics are the bonus on top of everything else that is fun and good about a game.
If gameplay is good enough, it can make graphics secondary. But at the same time. graphics catches the eye of gamers and gets them more interested. Even a decent game with great graphics can sell just because of the graphics. Gameplay will always be first though. Regardless of the graphics.
Graphics are an important part of any game. Ofcourse gameplay will come first, but it's never really that simple. They're both closely related, as someone else said here. You can't really separate them completely and compare them.
I definitely believe some people put too much importance in graphics. What incentive do devs have to make an all-around great game if they know all they have to do is show pretty visuals and have many gamers hook,line and sinker?
IDK , for me I love it when the game looks realistic , the details , the shadows , the reflection and the effects are just awesome but when its cartoonish or "special art" it feels old or something , like DMC graphics is special-art but the original is more realistic ...
*cough* 1886 *cough*
What I feel, is that the game is holding itself back by taking design gameplay presentation choices from the worst sp campaign games in history - the Modern Military Shooters. Atleast regarding it's basic combat sections. Instead of taking design cues from stupid games, they need to take design cues from The Last Of Us or something. What a game. More complexity, interactivity and simulation at any one time. Give players something to play around with ie extra gameplay mechanics at any one time, so it doesn't feel artificial. Be it tweaking a weapon, or a Tesla flashlight that we can toggle at any time. That kind of thing adds soooo much. Friendly AI that isn't programmed to miss 9/10 times would also add to immersion, lol. Also, some story parts were messed up are rushed at the end, which sucks. I actually think their next game will resolve many of these issues.
I'm pretty confident the sequel will be stellar too. Not Uncharted 2 leap good, but a more fully realized game. Given how smooth and responsive the shooting was, I can imagine multiplayer holding up very well. Make it Gears style with more destructible environments.
Just like saying "You MUST play this game" it's hard to generalize what appeals to one gamer or another. I personally love the Borderlands games and at least part of that appeal is the art style. One of my brothers agrees with me, but another won't even try Borderlands because of that art style. He thought Killzone 2 was great, partly because of how good it looked, while I thought it was just ok even though I agreed that it looked outstanding. Some people won't try games that have a retro look to them, like Terraria which imo is a great game. Some people on this site scoff at indies that have simpler old school graphics, even though some of those games have outstanding and highly addictive gameplay. Ha I just looked to see what site this opinion piece is on, and it doesn't surprise me that it's hardcoregamer. I often disagree with them.
Reminded? I love The Order, but didn't it bomb because people disliked the gameplay? Good gameplay is obviously the most important thing, but graphics can play a major part in the experience. I love the gameplay of The Order. :(
I enjoyed the gameplay, specifically the gunplay! honestly the only things I disliked was the QTE and forced walking sections, I do admit it is no worth full price though!
Well it bombed because, while the gameplay was there and pretty good, there was apparently not much of it to some people, a lot of cutscenes and a few QTE's that people blew out of proportion. However, graphics did help in my decision to renting it, if it looked like a PS3 game, I probably wouldn't have bothered at first. I thought it was a great game, looking forward to the sequel..
Whats important in a game realistically comes down to individual opinion. Some ant great graphics above all else. Some want great gameplay above all else. Some want competitive multiplayer over campaigns and vice versa. All comes down to opinion. What the issue is for me is if devs are breaking one thing to achieve another just to placate the gamers. Devs should make the game they want to make the best way they can.
I agree. It also depends on the game, too. Some games suit realism, where others might benefit from another art style.
I dont know about the rest of you guys but i live in the year 2015 so I expect awesome graphics as well as gameplay (and sound) so if they devs cant deliver on them then get out of the business and just let Naughty Dog, CD Project and Rockstar make all the games as these companies can do it all
I do not think so, Not every developer is capable so if they can deliver an amazing gameplay experience then I am down! Say what you will about Minecraft but that game did innovate and create a new genre whilst not being the most beautiful game in the world!
Gameplay is always first and foremost. I'm a gamer an if the gameplay isn't good then it doesn't matter how realistic your graphics are it's a terrible game. Sure good graphics are nice but gameplay should always be first which is why we play. You want realism go outside.
If you want game play, read a book!
@RegorL ... Cant tell if you're serious or not
Don't you think it's a little ignorant to tell people to get out of the business just because they don't meet your personal expectations? If you can't appreciate a game that doesn't focus on eye candy then simply don't buy it and let others enjoy their games. The world doesn't revolve around you.
Graphics are only USUALLY secondary.Sometimes I want mind-blowing graphics for games, which is why I look forward to Quantic Dream games. Everything about them is good but the graphics are always the best at release.
Great point! Also graphics can be subjective! I also love games with great art style, Tearaway PS4 looks fantastic and beautiful and has great gameplay! I actually played most of last-gen consoles on a SD TV admittedly and I can say I still enjoyed the experiences that were had, so Graphics are not too much of interest of me, but they do tend to blow me away, but the entire package the game offers is what sells me!
So both are important (gameplay and graphics) but graphics are more important. why? Because I bought a PS4 for its advertised capabilities not for gameplay. If gameplay was more important developers wouldn't shove CGI trailers down our throats and release gameplay trailers months after the preorders started. So Yes, graphics are very important, that's why I turn on my new console every day and not my ancient sega. So it's not our fault, it's industries fault! They should be reminded that gameplay is more important, not us...
Too many good console games have suffered shitty frame rates because the developer pushed the visuals too hard.
Thanks to Minecraft I was reminded of this.
almost every damn TV resolution standard is full hd, why play my damn game lower than that ?, also it shouldn't be a problem by now I means 2015 god dammit, stop putting excuses that is only about only the gameplay is important blah blah BS!! visuals and gameplay are equally important. Every damn people saying that the gameplay is the only thing important is just a complete BS and those are also a bunch hypocrites.
I feel nowadays we shouldn't be questioning graphics, last gen we got a bunch game that still look good to today standards, gameplay should always come first but making pretty graphics shouldn't be a problem either
The visuals are important to a certain extent but gameplay always comes first in my book.
If we needed to be "Reminded That Graphics are Secondary", then retro gaming wouldn't be picking up speed like it is as of late.
I'll admit, I am one of those who will tolerate a game much more when the game is artistically and aesthetically pleasing.
Too much complaining these days. I remember the good ol days from like 2008 when there wasn't crying and getting mad at graphics
Exactly and the demand for 1080p 60fps is only gonna hold games backs tbh. Im happy with 720p 30fps and play fantastic game with great graphics at that frame and res. IMO games (not all) should be built with a target of 720p locked 30fps and if the dev has more power to utilize then am for higher specs. This way we'd get games with better gameplay and even graphics but most importantly gameplay. Not trying to throw shade but did people not learn their lesson from the order? Graphics isn't everything. build the best game you can first then focus on graphics. If you have to sacrifice a small part of gameplay that won't change much so be it but if you have to sacrifice everything great about the gameplay to achieve top notch graphics don't do it. I ask myself how did the people demanding all this live through last gen?
I have a 1080p TV, so no I don't want 720p games. From where I play I can easily spot the difference. 1080p 30fps is where it's at for top notch console graphics. Most of the best looking games will be there this gen (Uncharted 4, Witcher 3, Tomb Raider sequel, etc). Seems like the standard for a lot of PS4 games anyway and I'm good with that.
It's just as important as gameplay imo. It depends on the dev behind the wheel. Look at Naughty Dog and ask if they've been force to sacrifice anything for gameplay. On the flip side, you have someone like Crytek who made one decent shooter and expansion in 2007 and one decent game back in 2004....and crap since. Bottom line is, people don't pay premium prices for new console only to play ugly games. If graphics don't matter, we don't need a new gen of consoles. Let's just dumb down the graphics to have these huge worlds and keep last gen going.
The Gameplay comes 1st, a solid core of gameplay mechanics are the most important components in a game hands down.
Technically, gameplay comes in second or even third, if you can't see a visual or hear a scenario, you can't logically make any gameplay decision. You really need a combination of 2 of the 3 to make a game work.
The Order 1886 is a perfect reason people should understand that gameplay is more important then graphics
Oh lord.... it could be 2020 and you guys will still be saying "visuals don't matter" Let me be clear...THERE IS NO REASON why gameplay + Visuals shouldn't both be top priorities for game companies. While lots of companies get the gameplay part down right they screw up the visuals department. Let me give you a couple of examples of games that had ( for their time) Perfect game play and visuals... 1. Shadow of the Colossus 2. Metal Gear Snake Eater 3. Resident Evil 4 hell I could make this list even longer....... It's not the era people..It's all about MONEY. The better the visuals the higher the development costs again it's all about money.
Graphics are nice in a game but if it has a shitty story, a useless character, and horrible music and game play. Then what's the point of playing that game with the great graphics if it fails in the other departments.
Console only owners should worry more about performance than graphics. Console can only do so much. PC is PC, it will always have the edge in just about everything.
For me its about the story, immersion, re-playability, if you dont find the game enjoyable, then its shit, if you do not feel like wow that was great and wish to replay, then its shit. A game has to captivate and bring you into its universe, for me thats it.. from basic 2D scrollers to massive open world games.Each one needs to captivate me to want to play them, otherwise, it will just gather dust.
yes..but still very important. and companies should not show a product they can't deliver. i remember when alpha gameplay was the worst and it improved from there. but these days, you're lucky if the game looks half as good as it does in alpha.
Graphics always first. Gameplay second. Nba 2k15, Amazing! Driveclub, Awesome! Shadowfall, Pretty good! GTA V, close to perfection. Mlb 15 the show, um looks like the PS3 version. Madden 15, same old crap! Project cars, a 360 could run that game at 30fps! I don't think there will be a Ps5 or another Xbox, I think it will switch over to streaming. Super ultra awesome graphics right on your TV. That's how to future proof your company, buying a console that's obsolete in a few months, is a temporary solution. Consumers need ultra graphics readily available to all.