GGG analyzes the recent rating of MGSV saying the game contained "mild" amounts of nudity and debates whether Quiet's controversial character model can even be considered "mild nudity".
Uh, she isn't nude at all. And if she was, so what?
Dont work yourself out on such articles. Its not worth it. Kojima himself said there is an explanation on why she is wearing that outfit so i cant wait to the look on the people's face who wrote silly articles like those.
I just find it weird to thin Quiet's outfit is anything more than 'mild nudity', when there isn't any nudity at all, actually. Maybe the rating refers to something else in the game we haven't seen yet.
I don't know. Any reason that Kojima could offer that someone is in the desert in that kind of outfit could only be contrived. But on the other hand, who cares? Is a bikini "mild" nudity? Or nudity at all? Is it really necessary to write an entire article about the severity of an adjective? It would be like arguing over whether something should be described as "light blue" or "pale blue".
lol If Quiet's outfit is classed as mild nudity, then we might need to ban the millions of scantily clad girls from dressing the way they do, unless they're in SJW approved nudist zones.
"Kojima himself said there is an explanation on why she is wearing that outfit" only a teenager would buy into this bullsh1t. the fact is they decided they want this factor in the game then built some story around it, it's not the other way around, not in billion years. it's just another case of "sex sells", period. there's even a toy that allows you to squeeze her breasts, so what is there to defend I don't know.
I would call Quiet's outfit ZERO Nudity. Because it has no nudity, are these people retarded?
Yup, it's clear that Kojima wanted some, quote: "easy cosplays" and had to put dramatic story not to come out of it as a questionable pervert, instead framed us to make us feel bad with questioning his doubtful intentions.
I agree with segamon, there is no plausible reason for her to wear such a stupid outfit other than to pander to 14 year old males.
Story Quality? WTF Like this website? No.
The problem is that they are objectifying women.
Why, just because of the way she looks? Stefanie Joosten, who plays the character, already said there is depth to her. Quiet is an actual character, not an object. Stefanie also said her looks don't bother her.
I guess people were objectifying Raiden when he ran around naked in MGS2?
You don't know anything about the character yet. It's YOU who are judging her solely based on her outer appearances.
And men are not objectified in videogames...?
No, hardly anyone here cares about the objectifying of women in games. The problem is Quiet's outfit looks completely out of place and impractical.
She's modeled after a real person... With her permission.
"The problem here is they are objectifying women." Says the guy with the Fairy Tail avatar. lmao The guy says there's a reason for the outfit, I can't pass judgement one way or the other until I hear it... but to sit there and straight-faced say that this is "problematic" because it "objectifies women" while repping the work of friggin HIRO MASHIMA is hilarious.
No, they aren't. No one sees women as object. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE. In all contexts, in all ways, no one sees women as an object. The term objectification is absolutely divorced from reality. Even the most controlling person in the world does not see women as objects. Absolutely no one sees a woman dressed in provocative or revealing clothing and thinks of that woman as an inanimate object, completely void of agency, for them to use for their own needs and then toss. People may not be empathetic to the person, but they certainly don't view the person the same way they view a car or a remote or a fridge. The term objectification is completely asinine, over and misused, and is at this point a total buzzword people throw out when they want to whine about something and don't have a legitimate reason. As for believing this outfit is "out of place" and "impractical" in what way? What practical outfit is there to have in a scorching hot desert? Army fatigues and an 80lb sac so you can hold in more body heat and become dehydrated faster? Why are people concerned with the practicality of someone's outfit in games with technology that doesn't even exist in the real world? It's like judging a game on it's realistic way of being unrealistic, or vice versa. People put way too much thought into the tiniest, most inconsequential things.
@dragonknight: WTF are you rambling about? There are plenty of sexist, horrible people out there that think woman are nothing but objects. One of the reasons there's something called rape that happens. Not to mention serial killers and other murderers who don't bat a eye over killing little girls, young men, really any demographic. You need to take psychology courses or wake up to the real world man. To say nobody in the world "objectifies" woman is just so naive. Not to bash on you or anything.
@zidane: Rape does not exist because people are viewing someone else as a sexual object. Rape is about exerting power over someone in the most complete way. No one actually thinks of anyone, men or women, as any kind of object.
The person who wrote this article is clueless to what he wrote. You know what else i find very weird. He is complaining about her looks but he is finding that a hidden D**ks in State of Decay background art is hilarious... http://gimmegimmegames.com/... How come he didnt find that a bit disturbing or downright ****ing weird is beyond me.
In the modern world it's now common to f**k logic. Dicks? Lol! Boobs? Sjw, feminist and what not! Wtf?
SJW and "Feminists". - Women are free and so if they want to expose their body or want their body to be exposed, they have all rights to do so. Its THEIR choice. Moreover, why men can run with topless and women can't ? Kojima - This is Quiet a scout. This is her outfit. SJW and "Feminists" - WTF ?! Nudity again. Just to arouse white male gamers. ( -_-)(-_- )( -_-) I didn't even bother clicking on the article. Not to bear again with their nonsense. What a joke. And they want videogames to evolve. How do they want that, if they moan every time they see a nipple... But you'll see the same PRAISING TV shows like Game of Thrones... Pathetic.
Snake can go topless and nobody gives a shniz.
The hypocrisy of SJWs astounds me
lol that's a very silly way of looking at it. "Its THEIR choice" -- You do understand this design came from a man? Quiet is not an ACTUAL woman who made the costume choice. That's really not hard to understand. Of course it's objectification. Any rationale behind why she would dress that way is a retcon. BTW, I'm 100% not a SJW or any other silly acronym you want to throw around... but get your head out of the sand and see the world around you.
"-- You do understand this design came from a man? Quiet is not an ACTUAL woman who made the costume choice. That's really not hard to understand." Precisely why b****ing about her design is stupid. The woman is fictional. She doesn't exist. So either her design is that of a man making a woman that doesn't exist, or if you're going to insist that this is problematic due to objectification (which is stupid) then it raises the question of whether or not we need to consider the agency of a fictional character, in which case said fictional character is wearing what she wants to wear. What's happening is that SJWs will insist, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, that games impact real life and Quiet's design means women everywhere will be viewed as sexual objects (patently absurd), but at the same time complain that a fictional character can't have agency unless designed with specific agency. So a fictional character is real when it supposedly impacts the self-esteem of women, but not real because of its lack of agency. B.S.
Imma become a "game journalist" and write an article on every good looking guy in video games on how guys are objectified.
While I can't say that if I went to the beach I'd see that quality of a beach body, I can at least say that I'd see about that much 'nudity' on a public beach. This is the difference between Japan and America right now. There's a big push for womens' rights and equality here in the US.. Japan not so much. But that's really up to the people of Japan to make their stand for rights and equality. If this offends people, they shouldn't buy it.. but I'm gonna.
Agreed. I wish this kind of articles would stop coming...
Please disregard this space, I'm dumb :/
@segamon You're right, what is there to defend?
I agree, who cares anymore. Directors, Developers should do what they want and ignore the public. Creative freedom. Rather than a world where your creative talents are limited by what offends a certain group of people.
because it's a game and would feel out of place? idk....
Partial nudity means nipples. Those are parts that are covered. Or even an ass. But cleavage in an outfit you absolutely could wear out in public that covers more than a swim suit. NOT NUDITY.
Her outfit is less revealing than a bikini, are bikini's mild nudity too? "just another cheap tactic at forcing female characters through hard times, like with Paz’s multiple rapes in Ground Zeroes tapes" What? They put large screws through Chico's feet, both him and Paz were tortured. How is that "forcing a female character into hard times". So if i write a novel that takes place during a time of racial segregation and include a lynching scene would that be "forcing a black charcter into hard times"?
I dunno, I expect to see skin on a beach. In a warzone? Just sayin'.
And Liquid Snake was walking around with a bare chest in Alaska. It's Metal Gear.
@mrbojingles In Metal Gear Solid 2 you play as a naked man doing cartwheels. I don't expect to see that in an underwater fortress but there is is.
I'm not knocking Quiet's outfit, she looks great! But in a warzone, yes I agree, you'd think one would be a bit more concerned about exposure. However, Kojima eluded to the lack of clothing having to do with her ability to cloak, some sort of invisibility factor. Looking forward to the mystery... My GOTY!
Disgusting. We should censor creativity.
You have to babysit these guys. They don't get the joke unless you put "/s" at the end.
Why is it a big deal when girls dress like this in real life. See girls all the time in short shorts and a sports Bra on just running down the street hell I can walk in Walmart and see some girl I wish I did not see more off. I just don't understand people some times..
Didn't Stephanie and/or Kojima state that there is a reason for her outfit?
Multiple times, but that doesn't matter when people have already made up their minds.
@SaveFerris, for fanservice. That's the reason. Anywayz, MGS was never about over-sexualized females. I can accept nudity-fanservice in games like Neptunia and Bayonetta, but MGS is about war and seriousness, not skin-tight pants and about-to-pop-out-of-the-bra breasts and check-my-thong-it-is-plain-vis ible. And this whole "Raiden was naked in MGS2, so what" needs to stop. It was just a scene and that's that. Also, how many females have we seen half-naked in videogames compared to males? Much more i would say. And a topless man is not as sexually shocking as a woman who shows off the buttocks (Cammy) and most of her body (Poison, Buki). So my point is this: Go with fanservice where you can actually justify it (whacky, out of this world concepts and crazy characters), but NOT in serious franchises like MGS. I know that i'll get downvoted to hell's time, but anyway.
Good enough reason for me. +bubs for you.
Raiden in MGS2 is just one example. Snake has been wearing skin tight suits that show off his ass since MGS1. Remember Raikov? A male character wearing nothing but a thong at one point in the game. Remember Vamp in MGS4? Liquid walking around bare chested. Etc.
no one is going to take away p0rn from the internet so stop worrying.
Metal Gear IS wacky out of this world concepts. Have you not played the Metal Gear series?.. And there has always been an element of sexy. Think about Sniper Wolf, or The Beauties, or the magazines that you can throw to distract guards, the pictures inside the lockers, Olga in her wet tank top. This is nothing new in Metal Gear, and it has always been done with a bit of a tongue in cheek flare. You also see guys. Naked Raiden doing cartwheels through part of a level. Johny's butt is shown in 4. There was a dude in a thong in one of them. Snake putting his hand in the statues penis as he goes camo. It's just a game, and it's no where near those fan service games that sexualize characters that appear to be children. Not by a long shot. I think that is a good thing to complain about.
Yes, i have played and finished MGS 1,2,3 and 4, all of them 5-6 times individually. Still, it's not Neptunia nor Bayonetta, which both of them are based of extreme fantasy concepts, in which you can go overboard, both in character designs. MGS is all about war and how it changes people and situations. And Sniper Wolf only showed off her cleavage, nothing more than that. And as i said before, naked Raiden was what, 2-3 minutes inside MG Arsenal? And Raikov with a thong: A scene that lasted a few seconds? And as you said, some things were sexy, but they FITTED WELL with the universe, not over-sexualized like Quiet. That's the difference.
G3n3raL86 People like you, is exactly the reason why so many can't stand SJWs. How hypocrite can you be? The objectification of Raiden in MGS2 and Raikov in MGS3 is present in those games and nothing will change that. 1 second or 100 hours won't change the fact that those male characters were objectified in those games. Also, how do you know that there isn't a purpose to Quiet's outfit? That there isn't a reason for her to dress like that? You don't know and you're just talking out of your ass. What you should know, if you played previous MGS games, is that Kojima created one of the (imo the most) strongest and impactful female character in videogames: The Boss. By creating a character like her Kojima, imo, showed more respect towards women than any other dev in this industry. I don't know how Quiet will turn out as a character bit if there is someone I trust to create a great female character is Kojima. Here's a great article about The Boss in case you forgot about her. http://nzgamer.com/coddfish...
If Kojima gives me a reason on why Big Boss is wearing a full body armor in the middle of a hot blasting desert and he's not half naked like Quiet, then i'll take his statements more seriously. For now, since you're insulting me, calling me a hypocrite and that i'm talking off my ass, i can't actually sit down and take YOU seriously. And you know me really well, saying that i'm SJW? You saw me whine about these things really often? This was my first time that i expressed my feelings towars Quiet's apperance. So before you judge someone, do some research and then we're talking, And i don't need gaming history lectures, i know well who The Boss is.
"If Kojima gives me a reason" you didn't give him an opportunity to give you a reason by playing the game. Instead you're here jumping to conclusions about the character and Kojima's intentions with it while downplaying the fact that Kojima also over-sexualized male characters. I'll apologize for calling you a SJW though.
"serious franchises like MGS" The tone of Metal Gear games pivots wildly from irreverent to gritty, often within the same scene. Trying to call it a serious franchise discounts the incredibly unrealistic elements that are standard in a Metal Gear game.
Kratos - God Of War Zangief - Street Fighter Dhalsim - Street Fighter EVERYONE - Professional Wrestling Potemkin - Guilty Gear could continue but my point is made
Well... He's right on with the idea that this is not mild nudity, as this us not nudity at all. How can anyone think it is?... Imagine how shocked this guy would be if he went to a nude beach. Quite is essentially wearing a swim suit with stockings, and boots. Nude means, no swim suit. Anything more than jewelery, and you're not nude. Quite is not even partially nude.
Cool but nobody said anything when a white haired guy with glistening abs was literally flipping around butterballz naked
Can't wait to go to the beach and tell women in bikinis to stop objectifying themselves.
Init man.. ffs whats these articles coming to.. a chick in a bikini with extra clothes and theres a problem? Smh i think she looks hot. The real life model certainly is worth giving one.
Hahaha "It's not objectification. I'd bang her."
You are right people! Yes, it's not nudity because she has clohtes on. BUT to me, defending this look as an edgy artistic decision is amusing. A look like this is not new in gaming as we all know, so you are not on the side of innovation either. I know, she supposed to have a 'deep backstory' that explains why she looks like this but we just know her look (and her squeezable figurine) at the moment without context in the next installment of the series that allowed it's players to take erotic photos of emotionally traumatized women (while they pose) after they defeated them. Serious anti-war massages and characters with really bleak stories lose some of their edge when you can crawl around in a cardboard box and use a Playboy as a diversion etc. Inconsistent tone is the meat of MGS. I still love it tho. Mgs1 and 3 is among my favorites. But I can't take it so seriously that I start aggresively defending a character design that was made by merchandising reasons first, as admitted by the man himself.
All I know is that shes a kick-ass sniper and she scares the sh** out of me with her skills. Thank God she looks the way she does. Its a nice juxtaposition. Like Sniper Wolf, remember her?
"GGG analyzes" lol please stop....
Whatever you say headline. Not going to click, but going by the general consensus of this thread I'd like to add my take on the "issue". Some femenists and their SJW are pathetic, if you identify as either; It's Only Sexist When Men Do It - 2 https://www.youtube.com/wat... Not to say all femenist are bad/extremist, but stuff like this is all I see. Also Id agree that quiet isnt well dressed, but so what? Also Kratos dresses like this and no one gives a shit? But I bet that is different because he is a man. http://megahdwall.com/wp-co...
Social Justice Warriors try to ruin gaming again! FTFY
Ever gone to the beach? ^^