SegmentNext - The war between Sony and Microsoft in the console market is over a decade old. Microsoft’s original Xbox was hammered by the PlayStation 2, but the brand came back strong with the release of Xbox 360
"Sony’s holiday line-up has never looked weaker!" Wait till E3 at least. Also, have people forgotten No Mans Sky? "Sony is short on exclusives, Uncharted 4 is delayed and one of their flagship titles – The Order 1886 – failed to live-up to expectations." Bloodborne still represents a heavy weight AAA title that MS doesn't have. Why not mention that? In short, no, there is plenty Sony can do. It may need to counter MS in the AAA arena but it already has Bloodborne secured in its armory.
Asking to wait till E3 is a bit much don't you think. Bloodborne is a niche title and doesn't count. MLB, EVERYBODY'S GONE TO THE RAPTURE, GOD OF WAR REMASTER, UNTIL DAWN, TEARAWAY UNFOLDED, PERSONA 5, NO MAN'S SKY, HELLBLADE, STREET FIGHTER 5, THE TOMORROW CHILDREN and RIME are not games. /S
Nailed it son!!! no need to say more :)
Whoa don't forget only Christmas months count. The other 10 months of gaming are not important.
Hell I'll join in, why not I guess: deep down, uncharted 4, ratchet and clank, horizon, gran turismo 7, god of war 4, star ocean 5, disgeae 5, dragon quest heroes etc etc etc.
apparently they only count AAA and mainstream genre when it comes to PS4 exclusive.. yet they love to mention every XB1 titles exist, you know, the one they're not actually buying but listed proudly everytime they post.
They seem to have forgotten Persona 5 and Street Fighter V.
Ah yeah and those. Massive games, the latter even more so.
I'd never heard of the Persona series before seeing it mentioned on this site!
Well, apparently Japanese born games don't count.
@immorals ive heard of it here and there and only recently tried playing Persona 4. I cant believe ive missed out on such a great game. currently on my first playthrough and as i understand it there are loads of endings so have a feeling i will be playing it for a while. if you like japanese turn based rpgs i HIGHLY recommend it
Bloodborne isn't a system seller, that game would probably sell 2millon units lifetime. Not ditching the game but if that's all the PS4 has going for it this year then ill be worried as a owner. SF5 looks good but that's also on PC.
Bloodborne will reach 3-4 million sales son.
It's a good thing that's not all the PS4 has going for it this year. Not even close.
you mean just like ryse, dead rising 3, titanfall, ori and soon fable and tomb raider are on pc, right?
@Primal Tell me when it does, ill wait here.
Nice comment Septic
At this moment Microsoft does seem to have a stronger line-up of games for the second half of 2015, but let's wait until E3 to see what Sony has in store. In all honesty I think Sony has a few surprises. ... but, if Sony's main focus is to promote 3rd party games (Star Wars, MGS, etc) with their console for Holiday 2015, without a couple of decent exclusives, I'm going to be severely disappointed.
That's the Point. if they fail to impress at E3, then Microsoft will have Upper hand
Dude it's not even close, that's not even a likely prospect at this point. The sheer number of exclusives in the AAA space on PS4 is much bigger than what XB1. It's 2 games this year, to about 6, maybe more on PS4 and then there's the smaller AA stuff or indies, which basically make up a huge library of content that will only make things go more in PS4's favor later this year. The AAA PS4 exclusive games all seem to target a different audience to what MS are focusing on, so there's not really any way MS can gain the upper hand. Sony has a tonne of AAA exclusive games that they're yet to announce as well, loads of developers that released their last games on PS3 in 2011/12/13 have been quiet for ages, any of those could be announced to pack out the areas that PS4 may be lacking in (like a Racer, FPS or a fighter). Even without that Sony has the bigger library of stuff coming later this year, which adds to an already great 2015.
@MrSec84. There has been only one AAA retail game this year and that was Bloodborne. Sony is ahead 1-0 in the retail space. In the Indie space they are about even this year. Going into the second half, Sony really appears lacking as far as AAA games for the holiday. They are hyping games that probably won't get to AAA status. While MS already has Halo 5, Forza Motorsports 6, and Fable Legends all AAA franchises that sell millions per IP release. What does Sony have for AAA franchises that are used to selling millions this holiday?
^Obviously, you havent played Helldivers. Btw StoneFoxMedia if you read this, poor choice on today's yt video.
@NeoGamer232, what your definition of AAA exclusives? MLB The SHow, is pretty much the undisputed baseball game across all consoles and gaming industry, but are you going to throw a "I dont care for baseball" so that game doesnt count bullshit?
Promoting Star Wars is probably enough. It has more brand recognition than anything MS has to offer, and it's releasing at the same time as a highly anticipated movie. I don't think Sony has to do much this holiday other than promote that, along with the 3rd party exclusives or 3rd party multi-plats they will likely partner with, and the perception won't be that Sony has no games, just that Sony has Star Wars, and some other games. A lot of people around here seem to think that if they say PS4 has no games enough, the non-hardcore gamer will believe it. What they fail to realize is, is that the non-hardcore gamer is probably more likely to buy what their friends have, and will look in the store or on Amazon, and see plenty of titles to choose from. They don't have to be new releases to be new to someone without a PS4. Other than that, up to this point, Sony has outsold MS 2:1 outside of a month in one region last holiday. If they can do that despite not having anything to offer, alledgedly, why do people think they need to start offering more now? It baffles me that just because the holidays are coming that people think Sony is going to drop the ball because they had to delay UC4.
Didn't you get the memo? Even though microsoft has about 4 known exclusives to release at the end of the year and sony will be releasing about 15 exclusives throughout the year "the pS4 has no games". If they close their eyes reeeaaaally tight and believe it with all their hearts it may actually come through.....in their own little delusional world.
While I agree Star Wars is that big Sony has a tonne of big games in development, many are likely prospects for this Fall. Killzone usually gets a release every 2 years, that can be what Cambridge are working on. GT7 has been in development since way before GT6 came out. The likes of TLG, Agent, Eight Days and The Getaway never ended up getting canceled, so if they're still in the works then they'd have to be basically done by now. All of those games have already been announced as well, so Sony can just show them off as PS4 releases, slate one or 2 for the Fall and it was do nothing but amp up PS4's position this Fall, well beyond it's already positive place. Resistance has been absent for about 4 years, Sony can easily have a new game ready for this Fall. Playstation All Stars could easily get a new release, the 1st one came out in 2012, sold reasonably well (well over a million units), the developers that made Puppeteer and Knack would have been busy making something new for 2 years by November this year, they could easily have new games or a new game for PS4. Namco has a new Racer to announce, while it may be an F1 game, it could always be a new, exclusive Ridge Racer for PS4. This is going to be a pretty big E3, considering it's the 20th anniversary of the event. I suspect Sony will have a lot of new games to announce there and at least a few of them will probably get Fall 2015 release dates.
You know I have people come in regularly that think Star Wars is only coming to PS4. All Sony has to do is announce a PS4 Star Wars bundle like the Batman one and they're guaranteed sales. I love how shortsighted the Xbone fans are. 2 months of sales doesn't make up for losing out every month worldwide.
Just from your first sentence I can tell that you are a very SMART man! I've been saying this from the start and all everyone ever told me was that it's "blind optimism" and that all the "dude-bro" games coming out in the holidays will muffle Star Wars Battlefront. There's a documentary called "When Star Wars Ruled The World" that talks about how anything Star Wars flys off the shelf when any one of their movies is released. This Star Wars will be no different and potentially surpass them all...which in turn will help Battlefront muffle every other shooter coming out this winter. I will eat my words if it doesn't happen lol
You people keep using this "Microsoft does seem to have a stronger line-up of games for the second half of 2015" comment consistently, as if it's some sort of badge of honor for microsoft. The only reason they do is because they had NOTHING (besides ori) for the first 10 months of the year.You guys make it sound like sony has just been sitting around pussy footing all year. Sony did what gamers expect any console manufacturer to do, release a steady flow of exclusives throughout the year to compliment the third party releases. THAT'S what both companies should be doing. You guys keep praising microsoft for leaving the xbone barren all year like it's some sort of great strategy or something.
not to mention PS4 actually still has more exclusives pre E3 (Persona 5, Until Dawn, Rime, No Man's Sky, Everybody Gone to Rapture, Tomorrow's Children, Hellblade), but no, if it's not shooter or it's not mainstream they won't even consider it exist. And yet they still wonder why all those diverse gamers choose PS4 over XB1...
What do they have? Halo and Forza? Ill pass.
...You're serious, right? Wake me up when Microsoft actually has new IPs in development.
meh i dont care if they cut the price because the price is going to stay the same at least here where i live retails dont care about official prices they dictate their own prices heck xbone is still 400 euros here
Whoever disagreed with this is a moron,currency exchange wise we pay more as it is.
Out of the two why do does this article writer think Sony needs to do more? They have exclusives releasing throughout the year, VR, better versions of multi platform titles, an expected price drop at E3 and is outselling its closest competition by 2:1, what more do you want from a gaming system? I think it's MS that need to do something. They need to address why the Xbox only sells good numbers in one region. No exclusives until the end of the year and those exclusives apart from Halo aren’t very inspiring. Third Forza game this gen and a remaster ( Fable and Tomb Raider aren’t exclusives). They need to let us know after DX12 and Windows 10 are out why do we need an Xbox? DX12 is bringing down the cost of PC gaming by bringing in console efficiencies, meaning you will be able to buy a PC off the shelf and expect console graphics at console prices, Xbox Live is free on PC and many Xbox exclusives end up on PC. With a PC I will be able to play Xbox games with my friends without paying a subscription to Live. They need to keep Xbox exclusives on the Xbox, because I can get so many Xbox games on my PC I have no need to buy Xbox.
*slow clap*. Bubs up. Very intelligent comment buddy.
No that would be more games, playstation Now and Morpheus... Microsoft has?! Halo and gears... Yawn.
Sony needs nothing to counter MS. They are over 10 million units ahead.
They need good solid AAA games to counter Microsoft and uncharted is that game come next year. But by then xbox will have a ton more exclusives so I guess it will be pretty hard at this stage, xbox has released a good amount of exclusives so far.
Ton more? Wouldn't they have to already have more exclusives to be able to manage that? Let you in on a little secret. Outside us hardcore gamers on sites like these, most people don't really care if something is first party, exclusive, or whatever. The biggest reason people buy systems is to play a specific game, and more often than not that's Madden, COD, AC, GT, or some specific genre that may exist(like JRPG). Unfortunately for MS, outside of AC:U, Sony has the better performing versions of all those, or they have the best place to play JRPG's for the moment, or for GT they have that exclusively. So what is MS going to offer to really entice the non Xbox-fan...you know, the regular gamer, to pick up the system? Halo, TR, and another Forza aren't going to do it alone. In other words, exclusives don't really matter that much except for fanboy bickering. Popular titles cause a surge in sales, but beyond that, they don't do a lot to maintain the interest in the brand. So, unless MS can provide a steady stream of both 1st party games that keeps up interest throughout the year, and 3rd party games which perform better on the system overall, and manage to make up the deficit of systems to get those people who buy what their friends have, it doesn't really matter what you feel they have to do. Last holiday the same arguments were made against Sony, yet here we are...same place as last year with MS behind about 2:1, and Sony showing absolutely no sign of slowing down. How do you explain that? How are a few good exclusives going to change anything at all, when the only people who really show interest in them are the people who probably already have the system, or those that are just holding out for those games in the first place(which for Halo would likely would have been last holiday for the H:MCC). Edit: What I find most humorous about posts like yours is that when Sony finally is pumping out big exclusives every month, like they do historically with the PS, you will be the first one claiming that exclusives don't matter, and you will be the first one calling hypocrisy that Sony fans are saying that exclusives don't matter. When that day comes, I'll simply link this comment back to you.
Now that was an extremely good and intelligent post. Well Said.
I hit all 5 +bubbles just to be on the safe side.
@aussie "But by then xbox will have a ton more exclusives..." Using your own definition, your comment made a TON of sense. 😂😂
[email protected] What and which exclusives you say? Xbox One has only 3 titles that are on Xbox One only, that cant be found on Xbox 360 or PC. PS4 has already 6 of those and Wii U 11 Why I say this because I have the systems in my setup. You are talking gibberish and nonsense, stop making yourself looking like a fool and write more positive posts than you stupid blabbering about X1 is best and best and so much more
"But by then xbox will have a ton more exclusives" Yeah, because after uncharted next year sony will decide to completely stop making exclusives and will abandon the ps4 like microsoft did with the original xbox. Sony is just waiting for this year to end to call it quits on the exclusive front and will just allow microsoft alone to make more games. Based on your "spot on" calculations the ps4 life cycle is only 2 1/2 years.
i agree. last AAA exclusive on xbox one was sunset overdrive in october 2014. next AAA exclusive on xbox one will be Halo 5 in october 2015. - xbox one 12 months without AAA exclusives *runs to shop to buy xbox one
Sony is running a marathon while as usual Microsoft is running a 10 meter dash and will throw Halo, Gears, Forza, and Fable at you all in less than a year (and Forza every year)
Counter what ? PS4 are selling close to more than half of what X1 is and no, lowering price isn't the only thing to counter MS. They have great games coming up and also Project Morpheus which i think will sell cameras and move accesories. Hololens looks cool and all but i think the tech will be limited to how they are used in games.
very true im seriously considering a ps camera for my ps4 to take advantage of the features
I was lucky to get mine for very cheap. Also wished i bought the move when retailers were getting rid of stock and selling them at very low prices, but at that time Morpheus wasn't even announced yet. 3d hand and head tracking looks slick.
Yeah, let's not forget the games they HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED yet....
No, got a lot of unannounched games and stuidoes they havent announched, bends, london, gearliia games hazien, quantic dream etc. shut up writer theres a lot of games etc just waiting. Sony have 1st party games we dont know.
Microsoft have announced games AND unannounced games though not just unannounced games, that's the problem.
Sony also has announced and unannounced games as well. Funny how you think that Sony has absolutely nothing especially with the amount of first party studios that they have and the relationships that they maintain with 3rd parties.
We currently know what 4 of both companies studios are working on(with a couple more rumored). Sony has 13 1st party studios which make console games. MS has 11 1st party studios that make console games, and some of them make smaller titles. Within 4 of Sony's studios they have two teams that make games, effectively meaning that there are 17 studio teams working on PS games. Within SCEJ, there are about 7 teams(it varies based on resource needs) which work on various projects from small titles all the way to AAA titles. Just to throw out a number, we'll say this puts Sony currently working on about 20 A-AAA titles for the PS4, since they've already confirmed all their studios are working on PS4 games, and all those studios and teams are A-AAA developers. Now, I dunno about you, but when I do the math, with 4 known games being announced, and both having a couple rumored, how is MS going to have more 1st party A-AAA titles releasing then Sony does with their roughly double the number of studios. Sony has more unannounced games than MS has studios. Those will obviously be spread out over the next couple years, but most of their studio dev teams are long overdue on announcing something, and have been quiet for way too long. This leads me to believe that next year there is going to be a flood of 1st party titles from Sony, and MS won't possibly be able to match it. It's highly likely that many of those will be announced at E3, and by your reasoning in your comment above, that's going to matter, even though I think it may only be marginally helpful in overall sales potential for this year. It's not really a problem that MS has unannounced games either. It just makes it harder for you to brag about MS line up because you can't make a bigger list. To your benefit though, at least Sony fans can't make a bigger list to counter yours.
@Mastercornholio "Funny how you think that Sony has absolutely nothing especially with the amount of first party studios that they have and the relationships that they maintain with 3rd parties." It's not funny at all, it's called DELUSION and it's a very serious mental state that affects millions of people worldwide. We really shouldn't be making light of his serious medical condition.
"But by then xbox will have a ton more exclusives..." If you mean by a ton more Forza & more Halo then, I'm truly sorry for you! Yawn!
I dont get it ' is a X1 price drop all MS can do to counter Sony ' FIXED
More exclusives, better multiplats, more indies, millions ahead of its nearest rival!!! and Sony need to counter anything or anyone??? What kind of magic thinking is this???
PS3 could use a price drop. I want a second PS4, but I want to wait for slimmed version eventualy...
I'll continue to enjoy any game, and on any console play before I worry about fanboyism and really stupid articles that feed that bait
All they have left? Sales go to Sony Launch went to Sony Most copies of games sold, Sony "usually" Dominance in all regions, minus a whopping 3 or 4 individual months.... Sony. Outselling a cheaper console at a higher price. Sony. Yes, next thing that's left. Sony dropping price to absolutely dominate even from aprice standpoint.
Wow MS wins one NPD by only about 17k units, and suddenly they are unstoppable? Sony has nearly a 2:1 sales lead. They don't need to panic just yet
Remembering tha NPD is only US. The rest of the world Sony is doing really great.
And that 17k (in U.S. only) is less than 1% of the close to 10 million gap between the consoles. I wouldn't say that's really closing any kind of gap.
Momentum has shifted we we saw this yesterday when Microsoft announced the MCC white console bundle, x box one quickly overtook Sony bundles everywhere in the US Sony has a standard batman bundle and special edition console so know excuses. Its going to be a bloodbath if Sony E3 sucks potentially the sale gap could close fast. [email protected] 17K is not official it came from Neogaf the same crowd who lie all the time about sales.
Even if Sony came on stage and talked sales numbers for 90 minutes, there is no way that would cause a surge of approximately 8-9 million consoles in favor of MS(assuming PS4 stops dead in it's tracks). The gap could lessen a bit, but we're probably talking .2-.5 million at most. This is also assuming that it's global, and not just the US, which is where MS had one good month. I'm sorry, but momentum hasn't shifted, there was just a small spurt on MS part. Remember when people made a big deal out of X1 outselling PS4 last November in the US? Did that "momentum" really translate into a shift in MS favor over the long haul? It really didn't, so maybe wait until the outselling becomes a monthly trend before making such claims.
Actually, the numbers from NeoGaf come from a member of NeoGaf who has the privilege to obtain this information from work and he shares them out of good will. So you have no idea what you are talking about. http://abload.de/img/donotb...
"Its going to be a bloodbath if Sony E3 sucks potentially the sale gap could close fast." I pulled this little statistic from a comment a user responded to the author of that article: "They have over a 10 million console lead. XB1 would have to outsell the PS4 every month by at least 167,000 systems for 5 years straight for them to ever catch them" Now, please read that comment (multiple times if needed) for it to actually sink in. Read it over and over again so the reality of the situation can become clear. Now go back and read your comment and ask yourself how much sense your comment makes.