During the take-two financial conference call for the fourth quarter of 2015, the publisher announced the IDG estimates for combined sales of PS4 and Xbox One.
And they said consoles were doomed. Yeah, right
If they die there will always be PC at least.
I have doubts that the PC market could sustane the industry.
If PCs were so cheap and easy to use/setup for games. Wouldn't consoles be obsolete? There is clear divide in tech savvy and money when comparing consoles and PC. Without consoles the gaming community would be 2 to 3 times smaller and be considered a niche hobby. Plus developer's games are about half the price they released at in a couple weeks or even before. The Witcher has already been significantly decreased in price in some places. Lets do the math. The Witcher 3 becomes $35 in a couple weeks (which I'm pretty sure it will). It will have to sell nearly double the units that consoles do. This is why some of PCs most talented are releasing on console now.
@Lennonxb63 Sony and Microsoft take 70% from the sales, while Steam takes 30%.
@Killua Where did you get that incorrect information from?
Hey Abriael, Some guy on Gaf is claiming this number is sold-through. Is there any evidence that suggest this is a sold-through number and not a sold-in (shipped)? Because I'm not finding any other source claiming this to be sold-to-consumer. I think this guys is just talking out of his ass. I'm finding it hard for this to be sold through since MSFT hasn't revealed the split between XB1/XBOX360
@Orange Why are you saying that his information is incorrect without submitting proof to back up your accusation?
@ OrangePowerz And yet PC market generates more money than all consoles combined.
Nevermind, I found it. It was @ exactly 9:08 into the conference call were he only said 34 million and expected to both XB1/PS4 to sell 50 million. I knew that guys was just claiming shit. This number isn't sold-to-consumer guys. These are most likely shipped numbers. Sony reported 22.M as of March 31, 2015, so this would place XBOX 1 @ 12M. shipped. http://seekingalpha.com/art... Have a listen if you don't believe me. Again, he mentions this @ 9 minutes and 8 seconds into the call.
@Heavy If MS and Sony take 70% and retail stores take their share that would leave nothing. On top of that do you think companies would push to make and promote their games for consoles if PC would be that much more lucrative? Every developer and publisher would be bankrupt if they would give 70% away + the share the retailers take. @Imal Those numbers are skewered by F2P games like LoL, Korean and Chineae F2P, etc. If you look at traditional games only they generate a lot less money. Traditional games like The Witcher wouldn't be sustainable on PC alone in the long run with increasing development costs due to increasing hardware power and complexity.
@Ugotowned LMAO you think AAA devs and publishers are going to give a rats ass about PC when most of their sales come from consoles. BTW, PC isn't a consumer friendly product for casual gamers.
After recent announcements from Konami, Square and Take 2 that they are actively shifting to mobile platforms I wonder what makes people believe that PC could ever hold gaming alive on its own... I mean 1/3 of PC gamers pirate, if not more, and even then as the guy above already mentioned PC's are not considered casual gamer friendly (while consoles are). If by some horrible turn of events console gaming dies and gaming in general is reduced/divided to a small niche hardcore PC and huge mobile scene then that will be a sad sad day for us gamers. OT: 110 million consoles by 2019? Ok if both ps4 and xb1 sell something like 30-35 million (combined) consoles per year then 110 seems like an understatement to me. And lets not forget the two huge boosts both will get with the slim versions and inevitable price drops, not to mention the true heavy hitters aren't out yet. All things considered, I'd say 130-140 is closer to reality.
@ OrangePowerz So? Those are still videogames and part of this industry. PC generates more money on the software side of this industry. Let's not forget that PC market also sustained genres pratically on its own for decades like RTS games. Now let's look at the hardware side of things. http://www.fool.com/investi... As you can see Nvidia is consolidating their lead over AMD despite them having their GPUs and CPUs inside the PS4 and X1. Not only that but without PC gamers supporting these companies Sony and MS would have to spend much more money in R&D and manufactering costs. A brand new PS4 or X1, with the same exact specs as they have today, would cost much more than they cost now making consoles far less appealing and not selling aw well as they've been selling this generation. You can thank PC gamers for that. Between the PC market and console markets, the PC market would without any doubt have a higher chance to sustain this industry on its own. Not even a constest.
yea how many times are we going to get an article about how some analyst thinks the consoles or pc markets will die out to mobile. Were still waiting after all these years. All 3 markets just keep growing and they aint going anywhere for a long, long time.
I wonder where are these people now.
That puts the Xbox One at under 12M, since we know the PS4 is 22M+.
Flippin eck, just give it a rest... Why do you lot care so much? Just enjoy the healthy state of console gaming. Constantly one upmanship over sales is so tired.
@Septic: You really should care. Sales of a console usually determines how much support the said console will get further down the line. Why do you think third parties moved away from the Wii-U? Because of sales. Why do you think certain developers favor prioritizing games for one platform/ console over another? Because of sales. So, all in all Septic, sales do matter.
@ Septic: Quite frankly, based on your needlessly aggressive attitude, YOU appear to be the one that cares so much! I really don't see what he said that was so wrong. OT: Interesting, though a combined total of 110 million by 2019 might be a tad low, given the PS4 should have most of that on its own by then. I'd lean closer to 120 million.
"Flippin eck, just give it a rest... Why do you lot care so much? Just enjoy the healthy state of console gaming. Constantly one upmanship over sales is so tired." Is this a sales don't matter rant? I wonder how long people will run with that, with it constantly being in their face that they do. If you're bitter about the numbers, maybe you should avoid these types of articles altogether. Just a suggestion.
Yep your right
Sales don't really matter as much on the MS side, as long as they keep opening their wallets (which they can) they will never lose support like Nintendo has, especially with the support of nadela and the ease of porting games from PC to Xbox once DX12 hits. Sony fans depend on sales numbers like crazy because the games div is the only thing they have left that brings in money and keeps them afloat. You should know that by now septic
"Sony is sounding a triumphant note today, announcing that worldwide PlayStation 4 sales have exceeded 20.2 million as of March 1st." http://www.theverge.com/201... "Sony Corp. revealed that it sold 22.3 Million PS4 consoles by the end of March 2015, while selling an additional 2.1 million consoles during the month." http://www.technewstoday.co... OK, I was being nice by saying 22M+/12M. It's more likely 23M+ for PS4 to under 11M for Xbox One.
@ Transistor, That is what I'm thinking. You have people suggesting that Xbox One is around 13M shipped as of March 31, 2015.
Transistor, that was the first thing that hit me when i saw the title. @septic, stop being so bitter. lol. last gen sales mattered when 360 was selling well. now suddenly, it doesn't matter? it matters because devs put more resources on the platform that's selling well, which in turn gets the best games. PS4 has been selling very good, surprisingly good, even without "great games". you know what's funny.. turns out even the games don't matter much. seems like people are just buying PS4 just because it's a better system. if this number is by any means true then X1 has sold only 11 million. that's 50% less of what Sony has said they've sold. O:
So if you do the math... 24 million PS4s and 10 million XB1's shipped so far?
Well that gives some idea where the X1 could be sales wise since we know how many units the PS4 sold. Than again it's an estimate by a company.
Yeah but if a reputable publisher like Take2 trusts this company's estimate (during their financial conference call) it can't be too far off
So 22m PS4's and 12m X1's (my guess). Them some nice numbas.
Not too long ago, the PS4 was a little over 21 mill and the xbone was around 12. Not too bad.
also not too long ago... http://www.technewstoday.co...
That sounds about right.
Sweet. By 2019 with their powers combine they will finally beat the Wii... wait what?
What do you mean "finally beat the Wii"? Sony already has two consoles that sold more than the Wii, and another that's still selling relatively well (with the potential to break 100 million sold IMO, with a price drop it could continue to sell well in tier 2 countries). The PS4 is also on pace to sell more than the Wii.
Sony's already stated they'll likely drop the PS3 much sooner than they did the PS2 within it's lifespan. Parts sourcing issues was the reason given, although it's also possible that they would just like to move on as the PS3 is still expensive to make for a rather old console. Eventually the PS3 won't be worth the manufacturing costs, and the PS4 may even be cheaper to produce than the PS3 in a couple of years.
That makes sense. But I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for it to sell 100 million. Time will tell.
I'm sure it'll hit 100m before all is said and done. Last I heard they were at 85 million and it's still selling reasonably well.
So it's basically 22 or 23 million to 11 or 12 million in favor of ps4..that's huge
They are probably going by in home? Maybe they know something we don't. So I'd say probably 19-20 million PS4's in homes and 14-15 million Xbox One's. Nice to see everything so successful.
PS4 has already outsold Gamecube and X1 isnt even remotely close to your posted number.
Sony already announced over 21 million sold through at the beginning of March. Last we heard from Microsoft was approaching 10 million shipped about 8 months ago.
ya we know the xb1 was at 10 million in the fall , and it sold 2 million thru nov and dec , and about 1 million since then , so thats 13 million without the worldwide numbers just the US for the 3 million . worst case lets say they sold half that in the rest of the world since last fall that puts xb1 at about 14.5 million ,that is probably a low estimate
14 million shipped maybe, not sold through. They were "approaching" 10 million shipped in the fall means sell through was probably between 8.5-9.5 million. I'll just say 9.5 plus the 2 over the holidays would put it at roughly 11.5 million sold through. Then you take the combined XB1/360 shipment for first Q of 1.6 million. So sold through is more likely closer to 12.5 million.
@FITgamer not that it matters to them sold thru or shipped they don't own the product anyone once its out their door , even at 9.5 i bet they are closer to 15 than 12.5 . with just NPD numbers we know they are close to 3 since november , they also had a really good holiday in th UK as well .
@Bleedsoe9mm Nope, that is incorrect. MSFT never actually announced that that passed the "10 million" shipped. But they most likely did by the end of the year. Sony already announced 22.3M shipped as of March 31, 2015. This only leaves 11.7M to be shipped by Xbox One. Remember Q1 CY2015 MSFT only shipped 1.6M Xbox One AND Xbox 360 combined. Suggesting 14 Million shipped plus Sony's 22.3M shipped is 36 million. 2 million over IDG's estimate.
Why do you hate math so much? What did math ever do to you? Kudos on the twisting announced numbers though, but hate to tell you that Sony stated clearly sold to customers, while MS still used the dodgy shipped or some derivative. Sony also quite clearly stated PS4's sold, while MS stated Xbox consoles sold, meaning combined sales with the 360.
Sony announced 22.3 million PS4s were sold not too long ago. That would mean this article suggests that 11.7 million Xbox Ones have been sold. That doesn't sound right, Sonys numbers must be referring to shipped.
The number is an estimate. It's odd that Take Two would use it, as they surely have those numbers available to them for producers to use for garnering investment...but whatever. Also consider this number is probably rounded in some way. Rounding up is typical for investor calls, but there could be rounding down if it was say 34.2 million. Sony clearly stated sold through on the 22 million sold. Sold through means sold to customers, not shipped. Someone is either lying, or off on their projections. Since lying to investors is not a good thing, I'd say the projections are off. The only other possibility is that the X1 is selling worse than everyone thought, but without having a solid sold-through number from MS to go off of, it's impossible to really tell.
The number would probably be 34.3 million but rounded down. If that's not the case the Microsoft is doing a lot worse than anyone predicted even with all the price cuts and deals
IDG is a trusted analytic firm who are paid thousands for findings and projections. You don't pay a large sum of money to a firm for an inaccurate report.
It's a shame that the Wii U is selling so poorly, because the Ps4 and X1 are selling better than their previous consoles.
I just realized that PlayStation 3 was also at 12 million at this point in its lifetime, on par with Xbox One right now. This means that Sony's slowest selling console sold just as much as Microsoft's fastest selling console in the same timeframe.
This fact is going to rustle some jimmies around here!
Sony had some serious supply issues the first 4 months of the PS3's life as well. Something with the Blu-Ray diode. I sometimes wonder if they would have done better if not for those issues. Otherwise, nice observation. Kinda hard to spin that around to something negative against Sony.
If you own both ps4 n x1 like any real gamer should, numbers does not matter.. I own both to play all the great games... If the same game release for both I do buy it for x1 cause I like the online n controller tons better over ps4
I feel like they can do a lot more than 110 million within the next 3 years. Hell, combined, they should be well passed 50 million by early spring next year. Both are are tracking above their predecessors while PS4 is still tracking above both the PS3 and 360 combined.
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