Gamestar: "We finally get 3 for PC The Witcher in hands. In our video clarifies hardware editor Nils Raettig how strong the contrast to previous trailers fails."
I expect this sort of thing from Ubisoft, or any of the larger publishers, really. The last company I expected this from was CD Projekt. They have consumer good will, and the way they look at games in today's market is something others should aspire to. That said, it does not excuse them well they pull anti-consumer crap like this themselves. It all makes sense now way PC review code was only made available extremely close to launch.
Read more: http://wccftech.com/witcher...
Thanks weak ass consoles.
It's mobile that you have to blame first.
I wouldn't call it anti-consumer. Things change over time. The gameplay was shown when? 3 years before release? The game would have run on a tiny amount of PCs in the original form. Makibg a game that barely anybody can run properly doesn't make any sense. Everybody behaves like the game looks horrible, it's still a very good looking game. Also Gamestar was always a horrible magazine.
They did absolutely nothing to inform people that the visual fidelity they originally showed for the title had to be drawn back during development. They went so far as to outwardly say that there had been nothing in the way of compromise when it came to the PC version. They are now even hiding the original PC vs PS4 comparisons, knowing that they are deceptive of the final product. They tuned down the game by a fair amount, and did everything in their power to hide it. They deserve just as much negativity as Ubisoft received for Watch Dogs.
I said it once, and I'll say it again. To me, it looks like nothing more than a huge change in color pallet and some lighting. The original footage shown was much darker, where the final game is much more vibrant. This can easily be fixed with mods and or SweetFX. If you don't believe me, look up SweetFX. There's some files that make the game look dramatically different.
They actually released a public statement last month or month before stating "There has absolutely, 100%, been NO downgrade" They lied to consumers to sell their product. I would call that pretty anti-consumer. They also released a statement saying "Just wait until you see what it looks like on a PC with Ultra settings. It's pretty amazing" This has to stop. Exactly how much longer are we going to allow developers & corporations to lie to their customers in order to sell falsified products without any repercussions. We don't complain now because we're called whiners. What happens when they bring the TTIP in & this behaviour is excepted by all corporations in all industries & we are legally bound to accept it because no one gave a damn before so why should they once it's forced on them... Stupidity & ignorance will be our own downfall.
@Slap So they didn't release any gameplay videos afterwards that showed that there was a visual changed? I find it very interesting that now suddenly people complain when there had been plenty of gameplay videos in the past that showed how the game looks now. Just wait till a few days before Batman comes out and people will start with "it's downgraded" and I predict that will be done now for every game and calling the devs deceptive or that they just want to steal your money and lie to you. @Insomniac To my recollection they said the console version was not downgraded. Let me ask you something. How can they sell you a false product when you can see yourself how it looks well ahead of release? You could look at gameplay videos that are representative of the final product since months.
@ xPhearR3dx "I said it once, and I'll say it again. To me, it looks like nothing more than a huge change in color pallet and some lighting" Yeah... no! http://a.disquscdn.com/uplo...
Gamestar actually is one of the most respected magazines I know worldwide. Their staff actually consists of old dogs in gaming journalism not those hipster wannabe's as on many other sites.
At issue here too is the semantics of what is a 'downgrade' in the public's eyes versus that of the corporation. Undoubtedly, the company will call such changes 'optimizations'. Which on the surface is true. But an optimization can also be a downgrade. I feel I need to see objective based comparison of visuals and a chronology of CDPR's statements regarding visuals before I feel I have an fully informed viewpoint. However, I can understand the skepticism of gamers when they feel they are spoon-fed actual visuals and marketing speak leading up to the game and then a company potentially and with forethought may have 'adjusted' (ahem) visuals which seemingly downgrade the experience. The company may balk at the term 'downgrade' but they know exactly what is meant by the consuming public. In this case, an alteration of the game such as textures, lighting, resolution, framerate, etc, which is of lower visual quality than what was previously shown and stated leading up to the game's release. I am still looking forward to playing the game and will give CDPR the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Lastly, as both a PC and PS4 owner, I will be playing on pc . I surely hope that any justification for a 'downgrade' if true, was not done to lessen any quality differential between console and pc. Keeping my fingers crossed that there is nothing to this but I am wary.
Wasn't there an article here recently defending the Witcher 3 downgrade and bashing people's complaints as misleading? http://n4g.com/news/1722896... The Witch Hunt for “Downgrades” Is Often Misleading and Always Obnoxious Looks pretty convincing that the downgrade is real here. Pretty unfortunate as I would love CD project to go all out and deliver a game that has it's initial visual vision.
Read the title and knew it was a dualshockers article even before clicking the link you provided. OT the downgrade is real and is disappointing because CDPR were known for pushing the limits of what could be done in terms of graphical fidelity. Having said that, I'm sure that CDPR will deliver in the story and gameplay departments and I can't wait to finally play TW3 and finish Geralt's story.
They had to downgrade because the consoles couldn't cope, and they didn't have the time or the money to work on a PC and a console version, no doubt due to deals struck with MS and Sony. So yet again, consoles ruin another PC series.
Agreed, very unfortunate as Crysis still remains the standard of what a game made for PC without any compromise will look like.
Fun Fact: Consoles and Ebola are the same thing. This was under a snapple cap. mmmmm apple. My hope for cyberpunk 2077? A futuristic game held back by apus made for elmo toys. This will cheer u up mate. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Do you have any idea about the PC setup the average PC gamer has? The PC master race with their high powered rigs are a small minority, but sure let's make games that only run on those because that will cover the development costs. @Rookie How many years did it take again until normal PC gamers could play the game the way it was intended to be played?
@orangeguythatknowsnothing i guess your new to this but future proofing is a good thing and the witcher always future proof and pushed boundaries i guess this is your first game from the. it not our thats why we are pissed. we are the ones that supported them and the sold out and gimped the pc version.
@Dynasty I just can't see how this issue ruined an entire,and entirely awesome, series. That doesn't compute. Anywhere. Ever.
@some I played the previous 2 games and while they looked good the games could run on PCs that had been decent at that time. And unlike the myriad of "armchair developers" here I actually know stuff about it.
@Orange, So you are saying PC gamers are now a minority and shouldn't have games made that target their systems performance? It sounds like you want to punish those that can afford a better gaming system than you.
I hate to say it, but every developer nowadays want to port their games to consoles or go multiplatform will pull crap like this.
Calm down, they owe you nothing and you obviously don't know a lot about CDProject Red. They have released their previous games on PC, included free dlc with those ggames and then gave users a free copy of the enhanced edition BC they are constantly working to make their games better. They have given more to their customers than any other company I know. Also, we saw the game three years ago. Nowadays we are seeing game earlier and earlier. Days past those builds would have been used to get distribution and funding and never would have reached consumers. We see things so much earlier nowadays and that's our fault. My point, shut the hell up because you sound ridiculous and like a little child.
I don't understand why people freak out when a game changes, albeit slightly, between development and release. The game still looks freaking great on PC and makes me wish I have a rig that could handle it on max. That being said, up to release, everything we see is ALWAYS work-in-progress (WIP) and "subject to change".
Those sneaky dh'oine...
I think its perfectly fine to downgrade PC games because most of them will bootleg the game any damn way.. That's said in sure the game looks hella good on PC.
The ignorance in this post is astounding.
Be prepared for 600usd consoles next gen then. Dont expect PC gamers to fund the next round of tech.
I have 275 games on my steam account. A lot at discounted price but I definitely still buy at full price if I find the game is worth that price tag.
My point is that devs spend all this money on a game and probably 40% out of the 100% that actually buys it. This is why PC only games made its way to console for the money.. Also this is why they keep sayin stay with us guys buy are game, that's to the PC crowd.. I'm not saying all the PC dudes bootleg I was simply saying majority do..
"My point is that devs spend all this money on a game and probably 40% out of the 100% that actually buys it." ????? lmao this guys an idiot. who is the 100%. this is why you cant talk to console fanboys.
I agree....that person is ignorant, but your no more ignorant generalizing them as a "console fanboy". @Classic- Not every PC gamer bootlegs games. And if this publisher seeked to work on many systems due to money, I don't think it was due to PC's "bootleg" issues. Its due to the size and scope of the game, they can't just ignore 2 other systems, they must justify the development cost of such a grand game. Even if PC didn't have a um.."bootleg" issue, this game would still be multiplatform. " 40% out of the 100% " .....I can't stop laughing at this...I don't even know what that actually means, when was 100% of gamers buying this game? Do you mean 100% of the folks that wanted it on PC? I mean...I rarely buy full price PC titles besides Battlefield or Elder Scrolls, most times I just get them later on boxed copies on Amazon or off of Steam or GoGs. Those that would steal...would always steal it regardless of a "downgrade". Mind you...that um.."bootleg" concept doesn't just exclusively exist with PC gamers.
The water and reflections Right now that's the only thing I care about. Holy shit the water has been downgraded xD Look at end of the video. Like everything else, they just ramp up the colour factor to 11 to hide it, make it deep blue and green, and reduce everything else. Also, was unsure about this before, but now we can confirm - no more screenspace reflections. Basically no good looking reflections anymore, especially in swamps. Puddles don't have them either. Main water bodies have some form of reflection that seems sufficient.
if the game is downgraded why support them. CDPR is Crying over pirates pirate their game. OFC they will pirate when you lie to us. Just be honest and say we did downgrade to get stable FPS.. or something dont hide it
they pulled this carp but nonetheless it's still good game. i won't pull preorder.
Graphics not good enough for you? DON'T BUY THE GAME! Seriously... it's all you can really do, short of making a better game yourself! Complaining will NOT improve graphics in any way. I'm sure there are tons of other games that haven't been "COMPLETELY DOWNGRADED AND RUINED BY CONSOLES AND GREED". Or maybe you all can band together and try and sue CDPR and get laughed out of court like that Killzone lawsuit.
you're missing the point. but expected, fanatics can't see beyond their poor preconception about gaming.
“Usually the weakest platform dictates the quality for all platforms, but high-quality visuals are our trademark, so we need to approach each platform as individually as possible,” Badowski says. Read more: http://wccftech.com/witcher...
So you are ok with developers/publishers lying to you, as long as the product itself is still a quality one? Well, I feel as though I was promised more. This is why I don't preorder. That said, I am one of the lucky few to actually receive PC code.
There's a big difference between "publishers lying to you", and you drawing dumb conclusions from alpha footage clearly marked as such. CDPR lifted review embargo a full week before release, and got 92 on metacritic (thats 34/34 positive reviews). I think it's really unfortunate that a growing proportion of gamers are ungrateful brats that will complain just for the sake of complaining. Games with this level of universal critical acclaim and honorable goals like not gouging their customers with abusive microtransactions are becoming exceedingly rare, yet you lot have the nerve of crucifying them for something as trivial as slightly underwhelming reflections in water?
@Live I agree 100%. These days the majority will complain about "being lied to" and twist/manipulate anything the companies try to explain during game development just to have something to complain about. This crying over the fact that the game looks different during development is grasping at straws since that's what about 90% of news articles are involving this game. I haven't seen anything involving missing features, questionable voice acting, game breaking bugs/glitches, however grab your pitchforks because the game between builds looks different. I'd hate to see the same crowd go through the 80s and 90s gaming like I did - when game play, story, fun factor, and multiplayer were factors. It's almost to the point where the line between trolling and unnecessary complaining is getting thin.
I think it's funny that people complained that the recommended specs were to high, yet could you imagine them with the old build? Building a game that scale, with those graphics was to much for most PC's even. And would have made the cost of this game allot more due to high detail for asset creation.
with the final build you don't need recommended specs to play or even lower minimum specs you can still play the game on High setting this new video play on - i3 3220 + GTX 660 on HIGH setting at Avg: 40 fps https://www.youtube.com/wat...
This game still looks amazing everyone should calm down. Maybe The Witcher will get an update down the road the will look more like that. I haven't played anything from them besides a bit of the first one. However they seem like the type of Devs that wouldn't downgrade the pc version just for the consoles.
Here's to hoping for an enhanced dx 12 edition next year this time.
Just two more days and this game will have my Xbox working overtime. Downgrade and all this game still looks damn beautiful.
We still have mods, Skyrim is an ugly game, but with mods you can make it gorgeous.
Maybe it's to save the consoles from embarrassment, that's where most of the revenue comes from.I expect the PC to keep getting gimped because of Ps4 and X1
This is why I don't game on PC anymore. Why bother spending silly amounts of money on building/upgrading a PC when this sort of things happen. This is why I just stick to consoles. Sure they may not be 60FPS all the time but graphically there not that much difference these days to warrant upgrading my PC.
The only reason they downgrade it is to sell us later on an enhance hd version of the game like they did with witcher 2 :The witcher 3 enhanced edition game of the year bullshit. So you get to buy it two times.
The Witcher 2 enhanced edition was free to all owners of the game.
Damn and i built a PC to play this game exclusively on it instead of my PS4...damn we were deceived. Still getting it on PC though.
This is why you don't put all your eggs in one basket. A lot of people did with steam, and look at it now. It's happening with CD Projekt Red. Stop blindly following brands.
CDPR are: 1. Co-owners and operator of a completely DRM free game distribution platform. 2. Creators of 3 (at this point) critically acclaimed, genre defining RPGs. 3. Creators of a game with the biggest open world in modern gaming. 4. Creators of one of the best written, acted and mature games in modern gaming. 5. Have discounted the price of their game (significantly) on all platforms available, before launch, despite them being a relatively small team and creating a 200 plus hour worth of content game. 6. Have showed incredible passion for their game to the point of working directly with the man who created Cyberpunk to help create Cyberpunk 2077 7. Have been complete class acts in congratulating their competitors on their successes while even defending them when accusations are lobbed their way. (Downgrades..for example) 8. Are apparently complete lairs, thieves the biggest sellouts ever because... wait for it... "this game doesn't look as shiny as it did in the before videos" I'll be awaiting the list of HORRIBLE things CDPR have done to try to disprove my point.
Bubble up, friend. Great comment.
Well... bubbs up my friend as this was the most levelheaded and logical comment regarding W3's/CDPR status I've read so far. Keep'em coming! EDIT: Playing devil's advocate here but they did say that there was no downgrade...now its apparent that indeed there was some downgrade even if the game looks great which doesn't make that "100% no downgrade" comment disappear does it? Case in point, nobody is perfect and some words are better not been spoken at all, especially from a dev with a stellar back record like CDPR.
sorry OrangePowerz. i didn't mean to like what you said. too much crap is coming out of you're mouth. i don't think you know any thing about pc.
I love to read all the time when pc gamers get mad when developers don't bleed time and money into making their ports awesome.....the money is in console sales not pc sales...pc gamers need to realize this and stop crying....this game will sell amazing now that's it's on 3 platforms...so much so that it will ensure a witcher 4 and at least 5...so instead of complaining that the game won't take advantage of your over priced rig that you don't need...be thankful of the sales both consoles will bring to the developer and what that means for the future.
Globally PC sales beat console sales. So that is BS. All I know is the game looks and plays great, but people like to bitch. If you don't like how it looks don't f$#@ing buy it. Pretty simple. I have a pretty burly PC setup, would I like better graphics? Sure. Do I think it looks great? Yes. Will I enjoy it? HELL YES. The problem people have is they could have not taken out the higher end settings on the PC version, which I agree with.
Console gamers have been making this claim for a very long time. @Tank can you provide any kind of link supporting your claim?
I gotta say this is disappointing and kinda unexpected maybe mods can help make this game even better but i would take CDPR games over any other even tho im not that into The Witcher games (i just feel like something is missing or maybe its just the atmosphere of the game idk) and i will play or not play the game no matter what anyone say if i like the game ill play it and that is that. I like CDRP simply because they fight for DRM free games, have innovative things in gameplay and story, great way to deal with DLC scam and i see a bright future for them in gaming industry BUT money corrupts most i just hope they are not next and with that said, fool me once shame on you, fools me twice shame on me... there wont be a third time. Remember GAMERS are those that have control and power not publishers or developers and they know it i'm just not sure gamer do.
Another list of comments with bent out of shape pc gamers... never happy, always drama. You can love cd projekt so much one day.. and a news article turns you to hating them. Without even playing the game for yourselves. At least they made an awesome game.. maybe stop complaining and go play one. If the Internet causes so much drama in your life (real or "real") then maybe it's not a good hobby for you.
Consoles are to blame(inferior hardware, mainly gpu), the PC version looks slightly better than consoles, if it would look super ultra on PC it will be to obvious what platform people will choose and console fanboys will rage and say that the game is lame on console and that the dev is lazy.
Brace yourselfs "mods are coming"! Who cares if they downgrade. If the Pc community can make Skyrim look photorealistic and considering its age, then I am sure Witcher will only be rivaled by real life by the time modders are done with it.
how the hell is it downgraded,.. I won't even be playing at 1080p maxed out apparently,..now I am even afraid of medium- low for HD,.. (those are some pretty hefty cards) http://i.imgur.com/kONibAa.... Will probably have to get a PS4 version,.. looks quite amazing
good for CDPR to make a business decision. As long as it's not a crappy port like MKX on PC I am fine with it. Besides, most multiplatform games sell more on consoles and therefore more profitable for developers, why shouldn't they cater to console gamers?
Isn't funny how the money (gross overspending if you ask me) PC people spend nets them nothing close to it in comparison with a console that costs a third. I want to see a dollar comparison video that shows the dollar amount for a ps4 and rig capable of ultra for the witcher 3. Ha
There is NO downgrade. Most of the trailer was part CGI, and a mixture of a high end demo to sell the game. Most likely rendered on a high end 4 gpu setup with every effect on. They Know most people won't be able to run it at those settings and adjust accordingly.
"Ha ha, console peasants, we have mods, we can make this game look even better than ultra settings!" "Oh wow they downgraded the game because of consoles it looks so bad now!" You PC folks love to through around how you can mod the game and make it look better, so why complain about a downgrade if you already know one of you will make it better?