GearNuke: "CDPR comments on the recent rumor about possible downgrade to visual effects of The Witcher 3 and shares more details about the PS4 version of the game."
Well just enjoy the game. I am sure there will be mods for this very soon on the PC that will up the graphics better than what the devs initially showed us. Just like Skyrim. I believe there might have been a downgrade, as can be seen PS4 is already having framerate issues. Imagine if the visuals were not downgraded, you would have more problems on both the consoles. Leave it to the modding community to add more graphics candy to an already great game. Edit: Personally i played Witcher 2 on the PC 2 times. The first run was obviously when the game released with stock graphics. On the second run (which was about 2 years later) i played the game again with texture mod pack which increased the graphics fidelity. I think i would do the same with W3. Play it 2 times. The second time with even more eye candy with graphics mods. I hope we can get the sort of mods we saw with Skyrim. @ape007 Yea i think the game probably has been downgraded. Fortunately we have a great modding community on the PC.
CD Projekt "These are just rumors, and as we’ve said before we don’t comment on such." A publisher not commenting on a leak about a game they are rumoured to be working on I understand. But when CD Projekt are directly asked to say has the game been downgraded and they say no comment then it makes the ears prick up. The Witcher 3 reviews are great, and I can't wait to play it but this 'no comment' from them actually says a lot.
@Mr Pumblechook No doubt its an amazing game and all of us are going to enjoy it. However as a PC gamer i cant help but think this has been downgraded due to weaker console hardware. Its like when PS4 gamers think their version of the game has been held back due to the Xbox limitations. Its much more of an issue for PC gamers since the gap between PC to any console is much wider. I hope we can get some good mods for the game. Playing Skyrim with mods can still be a treat, imagine if this got modded on that level.
"Secondly you have to remember that our game is a big release – a lot of people have been anticipating it and quite a few would like to gain some publicity from it even when it means talking about things which are not true."
i loled then i realized how true it is, and got sad.
You forget if it wasn't for the consoles this game wouldn't of been made or at least at this scale with the Time it's took cd pr about 5 years to make. The profits from the pc Base wouldn't nearly be enough they need the consoles sales to make a game of this stature profitable. So people saying consoles are downgrading our pc games you wouldn't have these type of games if it wasn't for consoles. 260 game developers for 5 to 6 years hard work and promotional costs doesn't come cheap.
@sean Fyi Witcher series as of 2013 had managed to sell about 6 million units on the PC(must have sold more by now). Those number are as good any AAA console exclusive. Even this time around I think Witcher 3 will sell most on PC, not to mention console sales will be dead in few months time. Witcher 3 will carry on sell on PC for years to come, specially it probably will be heavily supported by mods.
Damn, I played Witcher 2 about 8 times after launch, plus one more time in the last month just because of hype. I really like witcher for it's story, graphics is just an extra.
Fram rate issues would occur on pc too, just like AC Unity.
T900 the difference between ps4 and xo cant be compared with the difference between ps4/xo and pc
True, i was just throwing a perspective, so people understand how PC gamers feel when a game gets downgraded. Any decent PC will be multiple times ahead of these consoles.
nowadays I dont see a huge difference like back in the days from arcade to genesis. Quite frankly I dont see any games on P.C. that are mind blowing in terms of graphics. Please feel free to list a P.C. game that is coming out next year that will look just as good as Uncharted 4. I have total faith in naughty to pull that off.
no-one can deny the fact that PCs are way more powerfull than consoles (and way more expensive), but in my case i love gears of war and halo, thats the reason why i chose xbox one
The downgrade statement is: "Damage control walking to the ring"
Lol agreed so do we all still agree that the xbox is inferior no its not,the playstation is overrated.
both are underpowered
So their comment on downgrade rummor is no comment ?...
' quite a few would like to gain some publicity from it even when it means talking about things which are not true' I guess he means gaming sites bread and butter
Man I don't see a massive downgrade, but its perfectly normal to expect some downgrade. The game is massive and the fact that they where able to cram it all in the PS4 is a miracle. These guys worked diligently on this, and there not Ubisoft, releasing games every day. They take time and care on their releases. So, I'm with the dev on this. If its a matter of not seeing another wrinkle on someones face, or a a little difference on tree bark. Then what do I care this game is BURSTING at the seems with personality, care and craftsmanship. Its not like the differences are an ultra settings from PC of 2015 to PS1 game from yesteryear.
Great comment. I do think it is inevitable (and there is already some evidence of this) that certain scenes or visual elements have been pared back. This is a normal part of the development process, whether we notice it in particular case or not. However, I do not agree with those that try to make it sound like there is some kind of significant overall difference between the final game and the older footage. The reason I believe this is because there are too many scenes that we are able to directly compare now and the majority of them show the same graphics. It's true there is one burning village scene that has been changed, but it's difficult to say whether it is a downgrade or a sidegrade...it's certainly different, but I don't think either version looks significantly better than the other. Other scenes, though, clearly show the same level of graphics, even possible improvements in some cases. If there was a game-wide downgrade, such as a fundamental downgrade of the lighting, those scenes wouldn't look almost identical the way they do. Basically what I'm saying is that I don't believe the game overall was downgraded. More like certain aspects were downgraded, while others were improved or simply changed for artistic reasons. The game clearly still looks phenomenal. Reviewers have almost all gone out of their way to talk about how amazing the game looks.
Look, you can say whatever you want. The fact is - it's SIGNIFICANTLY downgraded. Quite a few features are simply removed. I spent the last 1.5 years defending against the downgrade argument. Mainly because 99% of the downgrade arguments were downright retarded. And who cares if a few little things were removed ? Graphics are important, but nothing more. Now, however, it's become rather clear the downgrade is big. Yes, even the ones screaming downgrade will enjoy the game. It would still probably be my GOTY. That's not the point. It is funny how Ubisoft gets shafted, but CDPR gets a free pass, like many have said. They made their game based on the lowest common denominator, and it has undergone a SIGNIFICANT downgrade. The fact is, tons of features are removed. The foliage has undergone a huge downgrade. The grass looks plain bad compared to what it was. The whole forward lit particles thing is gone. No more atmospheric smoke and particles. Yep, you guessed it - no more realtime reflections. There's something resembling it in the water, which seems to work fine for distant terrain. In the swamps, however, no more reflections like the 35 minute demo. No more blood splattered on the water either. In the 35 minute demo, you saw puddles reflecting in real time. Gone, ofcourse. If this article is to be believed, there's more - http://whatifgaming.com/dev... This doesn't mean I hate CDPR (quite the opposite is true) but - For fuck's sake CDPR. Would it really be that fucking hard to leave some of these features on PC ? The PC port for MGS5 has Screen space realtime reflections, for example. you're telling me you can't add it in or the game breaks ? Fuck. You're really going to downgrade the PC version like other devs ? Like fucking Ubisoft. Expected better from CDPR to be honest. They really fucking took the 'console parity' route. Good job. "Game has not been downgraded" "Just wait and see" that's what they say, knowing that so many features have been removed. It's what happened to Crysis as well. It went from amazing simulation with amazing complexity to normal shooter with some options. In Crysis 2, the worst part was it was not just the graphics, but the gameplay that was dumbed down. The simulation was dumbed down. Not even half the interactivity as in Crysis 1. Thankfully , this doesn't seem to be the case with The Witcher 3. *sigh of relief* I'm hoping the retail PC version proves me wrong, but otherwise it's still a dissapointing thing, regardless of how much I actually enjoy the game. If CDPR are doing console parity like Ubisoft, it's sad.
This whole argument goes away, when devs stop showing their games on hardware that simply doesn't exist. BUT they refuse to do so for various reasons. PR, buzz, hype you name it. I also believe they try to future proof their games for future hardware. OK, I get that. But in the meantime, the reality of it is. Dont show something that cannot possibly be done in today's machines, including PC's. I for got the article I read, and in it I remember the dev saying that no PC can run games at ultra high settings the way a game is designed. That PC simply doesn't exist in the market. See, these guys are trying to future proof their games. Its a bad practice in a SEA of bad practices.
"This whole argument goes away, when devs stop showing their games on hardware that simply doesn't exist." You think the hardware for that didn't exist ? It was a high end PC. How much more viable would it be today ? Given it is 2 years down the line ? Sorry, but the hardware absolutely would exist. It existed 2 years back. So it would be nothing more than high end now. The fact is, because of their approach to development, ie 'Parity'. "That PC simply doesn't exist in the market. " That PC existed 2 years ago. They weren't running it on a render farm. Not to mention, they would have definitely optimized it to some degree since that time, without flat out removing everything. I also find it funny that when there is a case of XBONE holding back PS4, people are up in arms. "Parity is shit" "this is a shitty practice" Ofcourse, when its the same for the PC, everyone assumes you're being a whiny PC elitist. Logic, everyone.
Some of the stuff you say has some truth to it, like the fact the grass seems to look worse than the first trailers, but other stuff like the screen space reflections supposedly being missing is just wrong. You can clearly see the screen space reflections in many of the videos. For example, in the following video you can see SSR on all of the bodies of water: https://www.youtube.com/wat... Especially pay attention at the 6:45 minute mark because it is really obvious we are dealing with SSR. Not just because there are reflections, or that they appear to be physically accurate, but because of the way they disappear as the camera tilts downward therefor removing from the frame the objects being reflected (screen space reflections can only reflect things that are within the screen space, thus the name). Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that every tiny puddle has screen space reflections because, frankly, I haven't looked for it. And I also don't remember any puddles from the trailers with clear use of SSR, so if you have a specific example please show me. The forward lit particles might indeed be gone, but it would only be used in very specific kinds of situations and I haven't seen enough of those kinds of scenes to know for sure if they're gone. I wouldn't consider that a huge downgrade even if they were removed. The game still has a lot of really great looking fog, clouds, smoke, dust, and particle effects. When I'm talking about a significant overall downgrade, I'm talking about something fundamental to the graphical design that would affect every scene in the game in a dramatic way. We do not see this. And this is an objective fact that can be proved by comparing similar scenes from the old footage to the new footage. 1st are older version, 2nd newer version: 1. http://i.imgur.com/Q1GyXYy.... 2. http://i.imgur.com/noKtOPQ.... 1. http://i.imgur.com/vhI9fbJ.... 2. http://i.imgur.com/OpAIUgN.... 1. http://i.imgur.com/Jti5f9M.... 2. http://i.imgur.com/LITqjgN.... 1. http://i.imgur.com/zBKOLR7.... 2. http://i.imgur.com/U1FCgdk.... 1. http://s6.postimg.org/4h07l... 2. http://i.imgur.com/yy6hs8n.... 1. http://s6.postimg.org/433gz... 2. http://s6.postimg.org/lrv7r...
Now try to tell me the old one looks way better. There's just no way anybody with working eyes would say that. Sure, sometimes the old version looks better (not necessarily in these screenshots though), but the new version looks better some of the time too and a lot of the other times they are pretty much equal. If it really was "significantly downgraded" the new version should look worse all the time, in every scene, but in fact it looks equally good much of the time and even looks better in some cases. That definitely wouldn't be happening if the game was significantly and fundamentally downgraded.
It is hard to tell from those screen , but quite easy on the footages . 35 min gameplay : https://www.youtube.com/wat... . Current "Ultra" setting : https://www.youtube.com/wat... . The downgrade is clear as a day and even more for those who can see the litle details . Btw not everything is downgraded , in the 1st footage you have a lot of bugs , no shadow on NPCs ,some physics missing here and there but the footage is 2 years old so it is understandable . Franckly seapking i can't understand those who says "there is no downgrade , it is just the color or the mood wich changed" , downgrade is written almost everywhere when i watch those videos . Anyway CDRP still made an incredible amount of effort to get a good quality game but the downgrade is here , you can't do anything about . I wouldn't even say it is the consols , the old footage had better quality assests harder to make adn too pull off , so the world may have been less seamless and smaller (and the game taking more time to make ) if they did not downgrade it .
If the system of my choice can't do it ,It cant do it period. why do they have to lie. nobody had a problem in the olden days about this. Why start now. I hate Liars.
Very true. They care a lot about the gamers, but they also need to take care of their wallet. Releasing for all 3 platforms is the right choice, even if it means a downgrade. Now they have time to maybe work on a (graphical) patch for PC or to work on the enhanced edition for PC to create the game (graphical) they intended all along. Or the modding community will lend a hand...
Just curious, do you ever play games on pc and compared them to console games? I've got a pretty beefy rig myself and I've compared games between their console and pc iteration (mind you I've done this with ps3 and ps4 as I own both). The difference really is night and day. I know it's not something non-pc gamers want to hear, but it really is. I can see the difference myself and well...I'll see when the game launches. I hope there isn't a downgrade after all. but the truth is in the pudding. In so far, I've seen a visual downgrade on the pc side. why? I've no idea. @VickerC It's true they could make a 'enhanced' edition, that edition should be at no cost those for those who own the game on pc, however. As that's just greedy if they charge for an upgrade that should have been there from the start.
Who gives a f**k, You can SEE the graphics now. Look, they are right there. Hours of footage. It looks great! People love the drama! They would rather say "oh, see. they are ripping us off" or "told you it was too good to be true" than actually enjoy something. NO one is getting ripped off. You can not buy it if you thought it was going to look like they initially revealed and you are sore about it or cancel your pre-order. I thought people loved playing videogames but i guess i was wrong. They like arguing with each other over Brick wall textures and smoke effects. Meanwhile, this game offers one of the most rich and engaging worlds in videogames in years, but brick wall textures..tho
This exactly!!! If the graphics are so "downgraded" that you can't put yourself through it to play...well then DON'T. Otherwise, have fun and play games. For me, games are about the TOTAL experience. Sure, graphics are a part of it. But, they are not the be all and end all. The product is there for all to see. Look at it and decide. Meanwhile, I'll be enjoying and judging these "downgraded" games for what they are...NOT what I assumed, thought, or wanted them to be (even if they DID look better the first time that I saw them).
No shit hey? The game looks fantastic and the review scores are through the roof....what's not to like? Drama princesses around these parts need something negative to say about everything.
^^"I thought people loved playing video games... they liek arguing with each other over brick wall textures and smoke effects.." Bubs up man. Too true. Talk about gamers not being able to 'see the woods for the trees'. Soon I'll be so immersed and enjoying this game that I wouldn't be able to care about 'brick textures' or 'smoke effects' - even if I wanted to. The whole game is much greater than the sum of it's parts
Besides the point entirely. Everyone says to PC gamers "Why are you whining about this ? graphics not the most important thing" (Funny, most of the people who say that will get super angry when XBOX ONE has a game at the same resolution as PS4. It's resolution gate and 'parity sucks' everywhere) Don't know when you will realize that what you are saying is meaningless here. Yes, we get it "The whole game is much greater than the sum of it's parts" Everyone knows that. Everyone who shouts downgrade will still enjoy the game a TON ! Does that change the fact that console parity caused a significant downgrade from what we saw earlier ? This article is about a graphics downgrade, not about the whole game. When Ubisoft does it it's shit, but when CDPR does it, all of a sudden it's a crime to talk about downgrade ? Yes, game will still be amazing. Does that make any difference to the point of this article ? Does it make any difference to the fact that 'parity' is annoying ?
"Does that change the fact that console parity caused a significant downgrade from what we saw earlier ? This article is about a graphics downgrade, not about the whole game." The problem is the complaints about the graphics are being made out to be a bigger deal than they are, also alot of people think this is a dealbreaker and not buying the game. "When Ubisoft does it it's shit, but when CDPR does it, all of a sudden it's a crime to talk about downgrade ?" UBI never downgraded they just release Unity with alot of technical issues which i also believe was overblown. Technical issues can be fixed but again, people would rather complain. Witchers graphics are still amazing. Don't see what the big deal is.You would have to be a fool to think the "in-game" videos of gameplay without HUD elements or that you KNOW are not from the final game are what the game is going to look like on release. I learned that s**t by the time the 360 and PS3 were out. CDPR shouldnt be blamed for people being naive.
Gamers on the internet are a cynical bunch. I for one enjoyed AC Unity, I will enjoy Witcher 3, and I will probably enjoy AC Syndicate. I don't play games for conversational topics like most here seem to. I didn't experience those bugs stated for AC Unity, so I cant say Ubi ripped me off. I got minor fps drops, but so did Ghosts on PS4, but nobody b****ed about that.
We don't know if there is a downgrade let alone what caused one. And no, people being upset over X1/PS4 parity is nothing like this: this uproar is several magnitudes larger whereas the X1 example might as well be made up for how understated it is. People call PC gamers using the console excuse whiners for a reason: The excuse reeks of bullshit as the option to opt out of parity is always there for devs. You have a problem? Blame the devs, or heck, blame the fact that you yourself have failed to adequeatly line developer coffers to secure an exclusive (funny, given that the term "peasant" is used to describe console players yet it's the money on the console side that speaks...). Make no mistake. If there has been a downgrade of the PC version it is a fault of the PC version itself. Not the PS4 version humbly zipping by at 1080/30. Not the Xbox One version doing its resolution scaling at 30 either. The PC version and the PC version alone is at fault. It's like when PC gamers use the term "console port" when what they really mean is a PC game, which any sensible person would call a "PC port". All so they can distance the issue from where it really resides: on the PC with the PC SKU. Consider this: We don't call PS4 games converted from the Xbox One "Xbox One" ports, nor do we call PS4 games converted to the Xbox One "PS4 ports". Because that would be bat shit insane... The only issue I see here is how transparent CDPR may or may not be here. If they couldn't meet the initial render they should have just come out and told us that it would have been impossible from a sheer asset creation standard (there's no reason to believe it was a technical issue). And in all liklihood I believe any changes that have happened are likely down to it simply being unfeasible to create an entire game the scope of TW3 at that quality bar. After all, it's not like they had an entire game running and just scrapped it for a less attractive one.
Everyone who is crazy enough to spend +500 dollars to a video card cares about graphics. Its a hobby.
I wish sometime in the future CDPR would remaster the Witcher 2 for ps4, I am sure after the witcher 3 ps4 gamers get their fix they would no doubt pay for a remaster that eluded the console last gen. I know I would.
What could they actually say? Yes - flametime, No - hunt for one particle effect that is different, claim downgrade, Kind of - just as bad as either one. I personally think it would be a tradeoff, some effects will have been lowered with the tradeoff resources being used to improve and increase other aspects with a better return for the investment.
Still looks beautiful.GOTY for me no doubt.
I don't really get the saltiness for some of the comments for downgrading - it's pretty much the norm and everyone should know initial gameplay vids are what the devs are trying to accomplish and just a reference - it looks like they came damn close to accomplishing what they wanted the game to look like. The parity argument is void in my opinion as well - any dev could make a game that looks real to life and pushing the limits of any tech out there - but how many people could actually play the game? Not many, so they have to look at the big picture and make the game playable on a WIDE array of PC Specs and as well two different game consoles and on top of that they need to optimize the game...parity? Not really...more like being realistic and making a game that will be able to be enjoyed by MORE people which makes them MORE money that allows them to create more amazing games.
Remember Killzone 2 . The sharks were out for blood.
@Milkman "Dont show something that cannot possibly be done in today's machines, including PC's." OMG..... are you saying..... they got a computer from the future to demo their game? This..... wow this is incredible.... How much would an xbox, 5 gens from now run me? $4000 with the Halo 12 bundle? Are they STILL trying to flog the Kinect 8? Future guys, just let it go already it's not gonna fly..... Wait.... IT LET'S YOU FLY?!!!!!
" OMG..... are you saying..... they got a computer from the future to demo their game? This..... wow this is incredible.... " No. He's saying they shouldn't show a game that couldn't be run on a PC at the time. PC here meaning a rig available to consumers,as opposed to being rendered on a workstation or with an unworkably expensive 4-way SLI set-up or something like that.
Well way to take the wind out of my sails man..... You really burned my bacon there....
Getting worked up over what ppl say on the internet is as pointless as tits on a boar hog.
You obviously don't care for the feelings or the well-being of the male hogs.
Goes to show how far the "downgrade" bs excuse is for enetitled brats to whine and cry about absolutely NOTHING. W3 is one of the best looking games on the market and people still cry about it. Good for them not commenting on rubbish.
The people crying downgrade, are worthless tools that are protected over the internet so they complain and start sh** for the lulz. I would say over 90% of them have never been laid. I remember the days of there never being anything like this; that and season passes. Just so many entitled individuals nowadays.
I just get on here and laugh at the comments of so called "gamers" who just sound plain miserable, with their constant complaints. At the end of the day, Im going to enjoy any game I purchased, because I purchased it for that reason, to enjoy it.
The Downgrade Brigade was out in full force on this one. ;P
Funny how a developer months ago said, that CDPR had trouble with development of Witcher 3 and the truth was something else. http://whatifgaming.com/dev... This lines up with it, even though the source isn't revealed. It's not like we should believe CDPR's words either.
This is just going to become more and more of an issue over the lifespan of the consoles. As DX12 and faster, more powerful hardware hit the market for PC games will be held back more and more. Ubisoft and Watchdogs were the first blatant example of this as a mod was released day one that upped the graphics and improved the frame rate simply by turning back on the code that was already written in the game! Consoles (and I have had all three this gen and still have my X1 and WiiU) are severely underpowered this generation, and yes that includes the PS4. Consoles are a great value, but lets not hold games back for people that are willing to spend the money to play them the way the developer initially intended.
Make PC exclusives: Problem solved. And if that isn't feasible because devs can't create the kinds of games without the money made from console software sales then you can't say the consoles are holding the game back; they're literally facilitating the software as a financial viable project. People act as if if consoles didn't exist the entire console consumer force (and all their money) would magically be invested in PC gaming, making untold treasures of gaming goodness a reality. Remember, it's not only the hardware that makes making these massive projects viable, but having a customer base to sell them to as well.
Game looks beautiful. What the morons are talking about. Just buy it and you will see, stop complain you not played yet. JESUS!!!
""Are all models and textures the same?" Yes, there’s only one version, without it we wouldn’t be able to deliver the game on time. We would have to strip it down, build and test separately on all 3 platforms which is infeasible. To we do it all on one foundation and then distribute it to all devices. We manage the memory differently on platforms that have less of it. Less complex models are loaded, it all depends on what happens on the screen at given moment. To sum it up there are not many differences between PC, PS4 and Xbox One, they rather fix certain problems than change the configuration"" CDPR have basically confirmed that the downgrade is real, and 100% due to consoles.
Its an obvious downgrade, lets all cancel our orders...
This it what I tell devs when I see an awesome trailer. http://weknowmemes.com/gene...
If you find that graphics are so important to you, why do game on console? I am not talking about those who may comment that something doesn't look as sharp or crisp, I am talking about people who get angry over it and piss on the game. It is a video game people, a video game. Consoles have limitations. When a developer starts a game full of ambition and shows us a great looking picture, but later on that ambition means a minor drop in detail, and i mean minor, should you really get angry? or disgruntled? or not purchase the game? We are not talking Aliens: Colonial Marines here people
pc fanboys crying over pixels haha things never change, really if you are crying that they didnt target some super expensive pc then stop whining geeze, pc elitists are sad, spend all that money on hardware to play video games, why dont you get lives instead go outside
It looks really good , plays even better and thats all I care about.
He still didn't answer the DAMN question... I don't understand why devs can't admit to the fact that the game has been visually degraded since reveal... IT HAS CLEARLY BEEN DOWNGRADED. Why can't he just say: "During the course of development, we had to reduce some of the game's visual fidelity and graphical assets in order to improve performance and make for an overall better gameplay experience..." THAT'S IT. SIMPLE AS THAT.
...and i don't understand why you need them to say it. Why does it matter? It's like you need to "win" or something. They aren't lying to anyone because you can see the final build now before you buy it and they never explicitly said that the earlier footage was final build. Am i the only one that knows that graphics are not final games graphics until they are shown as such. I learned that already before the 360 or PS3 were even out. The earlier footage didn't show HUD or UI elements, no one was playing it etc.. so why would you think it was final? because it said "ingame trailer" for a game that wasn't going to come out for almost years? because it was in a 3rd person camera view? (UBIsoft messed up big time with Watchdogs by actually having someone play with the controller onstage with the fancy graphics that weren't in the final build, that was bad for sure) Seems to me that people are ragging on CDPR for their own misconceptions and not because CDPR did anything wrong.
Dell site giving free $15 gift card with this, i think it ends tonight. Used previous Dell card towards this and got it for $36!
Console players really need to learn. YOU MAY NOT CARE, but someone does. Want to be entitled to your opinion? Well give up on silencing people with different opinions.
Piracy being a crime isnt an opinion, its a fact. Like it or not, most people hate criminal scum. We care more than you PC gamers, thats why in a vast majority of cases we buy more copies, and we pay a fair price. FACT. On PC you pay the price that is just set low enough so you buy it and not pirate it out of convenience... then you have the cheek to say piracy doesnt have an impact on sales. Sales is never the issue, its revenue. They were not getting enough revenue out of PC gamers to continue making great games. More and more PC devs coming to consoles is also a FACT. PC gaming isnt dying, its rotting and unfortunately console gamers have to fund things for the entitled elitists who end up pirating the game.