Ubisoft seems to be quite confident on the ability of DLC to generate continued interests in its games, as revealed by President Yves Guillemot during the financial conference call for the latest fiscal year.
Do 16 free DLCs like Cd projekt red does with the witcher 3, oh wait its ubisoft... nevermind.
The usual DLC-milking announcement by Ubisoft, followed by my usual reply: I’ll wait for a cheap complete edition to be released, IF I’m even still interested by then.... (probably not).
I have the same attitude towards any game with an eRly announcement of dlc. It's either a no buy or I wait for a cheaper GOTY edition in the bargain bin. Such nonesense will not be tolerated.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Down in front. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Get off my lawn.
It's OK UbiSoft, they're saying Booooo-urns, Booooo-urns...
Once upon a time devs used to just stick it all on the disk instead of delaying levels to charge all of their customers twice.
...not really. PC titles has expansions, console titles had many versions, ie Street Fighter, super, alpha, hyper etc. Where were you? "delaying levels to charge" ??? Thats really a baseless assumption. So Skyrim delayed content? yet bigger then the last game and longer? BF4 delayed content for years? Sooooo what BF has launched with 40 maps? Smash Bros delay characters and levels? Despite launching with the most in history? Mario Kart 8 delay content too? I mean...bud ALL DLC CAN'T JUST BE "delaying levels", I agree that clearly to some degree it happens, but not for the bulk of what DLC actually is, its just too much content many times to really just assume the base game could come with it, Skyrim to 100% with all the side quest is like 200 hours! Before DLC.... I'm sorry but games generally getting larger and with more content each release very much shows that games progressively get larger and longer each installment and not smaller to delay content to be sold after the fact. No evidence actually supports this. ie the next AC is 30% larger then Unity.... content getting "Delayed" was even all the DLC, it wouldn't really make much sense to even waste the time making the next AC longer or larger then the last...don't you think? and no one is getting charged "twice" dlc is merely an extra and a choice. Witcher 1 is 45 hours or so, so is Witcher 2 (I beat it around the same time as 1), 3 is about 200 hours..... Oh so that content was stripped too? Because we got the last ones at 200 hours worth of content? Again...what example or evidence actually shows this? MORE evidence suggest DLC is made solely to be sold and isn't content that was ever going to release if it wasn't made for DLC. ie Teams are made JUST for DLC, content post launch continues for many times years after launch and no example of a games standard release even suggest any game would even launch with such a vast amount of content based on its genre or based on its past releases. Again...what evidence really supports this? Or is this just assumptions?
Witcher 3 is only 200 hours if you want to spend that time doing everything. Main quest is like 25-30 hours. Not everyone will do every quest and spend that much time doing side quest, so play time will vary.
So you agree with planed additional content being work on month's/years before a games release, rather than using the extra man power to polish the game or add that content to the game any way.
"MORE evidence suggest DLC is made solely to be sold and isn't content that was ever going to release if it wasn't made for DLC." Really? I seem to recall almost every game worth it's salt having extra characters, costumes, cheat codes, hidden levels and more. Since last gen that kind of content has been on the sharp decline... unless you're buying all the DLC of course. Fluffing up your game with meaningless samey side quests and a bunch of trophies does not make up for the lack of real content that continues to be stripped away from a games, the kind of content that used to be common place is now being sold to you for a premium.
Expansions was almost the size of another game not a map or two. And devs use to give maps for free. And most games in the pass had unlockables you get through playing the game. Where were you?
Do you work for Ubisoft? You sound awfully defensive.
CDPR's handling of Witcher 3 DLC was a breath of fresh air but this just hits you back to reality as publishers still want to nickle and dime us for all we have :(
....you don't need to buy DLC. I don't really think I can call that "nickle and dime". Just because it comes out, doesn't mean you need it... I buy games all the time and never buy the DLC, even with putting hundreds of hours in the base game. I did it with Skyrim, BF3 and BF4, Fallout 3 etc. I don't generally buy post launch content unless I'm around 500 or so hours in and really maxed out what I could do with the game... That is 100% up to you. Witcher 3 is giving free DLC.....well many publishers actually do this, Ubisoft does this, EA does this... etc. Witcher 3 has over 200 hours worth of content and has DLC both payed and free. One really can't just expect this team to give out free, free, free! I mean...even the free content they are making is not deserving...its merely a gesture of good faith to fans, but the paid content clearly must exist, they need to get paid for their work. The last Witchers were just not these epic 200 hour games, 45 to 50 hours at best (could be a bit longer if some may take longer to beat rpgs). So its clear that the game is clearly already content packed. Most publishers handle DLC the right way, I can't really even name many times this last year or so when a publisher didn't. Many times its fans assumptions of what they feel they are owed or deserved with DLC. At the end of the day, the ip, studio etc are not owned by fans, they are not buying into the company, they are agreeing to by a piece of content. The idea of if its "complete" is subjective. Your not buying the team work at their studio or their souls....your buying the content they are providing. Too many times gamers have this strange idea that they are owed content because it was being worked on.... The Spider Man sequel is being worked on while your watching Spider Man 1....is that your's too? Are you owned deleted scenes at the theater because they later made that part of the DVD features? Why is it in gaming not really understood that your agreeing to buy a piece of content and not the teams soul? lol Too many times I hear this idea that, "oh...its worked on thus, its owed" or "it exist, thus must be in the final game" or "stripped" or "cut from" etc...even if it was....that THEIR IP to due so with, you agree to buy what they make for sale, not everything they created EVER at that studio. I agree with you too that CDP is doing a fine job with The Witcher 3's DLC, but like I said....most publishers do a fine job with DLC, I really can't name too many that release titles with little to no content in favor of selling you the game piece by piece...I can't even name you a game thats done that other then free to plays where its clearly an understood model. and thats not to say you believe that either, don't want you to misunderstand me.
This industry has changed a lot over the years. The real question is at what point do gamers actually put a real stop to it, rather than talk about how much they dislike it.
The closest I get to buying dlc is waiting for a GOTY edition.
Same here. I'll never buy any of these games for full price, and I'll wait for a cheap GOTY instead.
Or a Steam sale or even some of the blow-out sales we're seeing on the Xbox 360 and the PS3.
We may have already passed the point of no return, the best time for gamers to have done anything about it was last gen, but now the AAA industry and even the consoles themselves are geared and built with all this stuff in mind. That and people still buy it, at least enough it to make it worthwhile for Ubi and the like.
Let's thank M$ for introducing and pushing such abomination last gen.
DLC is usually worthless crap or advantage crap. Either way I never buy it no matter how good it is said to be. There is no value in it for me. Alot will though.
Just hope that online coop will return with terrorist hunt! Love the Rainbow games!
Me too! Thats the only way I'll buy this is if it has Terrorist Hunt, that mode was so much damn fun.
See DLC is something I could get behind, IF you ever released a full and complete game that is a satisfying experience in its own right and wasn't broken to all hell. Until then I'd keep it shut on DLC if I were you Ubisoft. Gamers have no faith in you anymore, I'd try keep on their good side rather than releasing season pass and dlc info before you've even shown us a trailer of your game.
I'm not too fond of DLC either, but I just choose not to purchase it. I have no problem with them releasing DLC, or the amount of them. It doesn't necessarily mean a game isn't finished, it's just that sometimes they can't always release everything they wanted on the main game. I'm okay with that.
me to. ppl complain way to much.. if you dont like it dont buy it or wait. no one cares what you think about DLC.
I think it's pretty shocking that people still don't realise what they are doing here. They are taking bits out of the game and then releasing it to us bit by bit. It's not as simple as saying "if you don't like it, don't buy". It's not that we don't like the DLC, it's just that we shouldn't have to pay for something that should already be in the game. I don't buy the excuse about not having enough time to fit it into the game at launch either. If they can announce it months before the game is even launched then they have enough time to put it in the game. Even if it was to do with time, then the least they can do is release the DLC free and not charge us for it. Charging us for something that should have been in the game from the start is just greedy and is ruining games in my opinion. I'm tired of buying incomplete games these days. I just want to buy the game in full and not worry that i'm not getting a complete game. This should be best time for gaming, but it's turned into the greediest time in gaming.
Yea, it's not like there has ever been important content, like an ending, locked behind a DLC pay wall. Never happened.....
Gaming could've been better for the consumer without the greed-inspired practices of DLC, microtransactions, and season passes. No doubt about that. The whole "don't like it don't buy it" business is irrelevant to me. I don't buy into these schemes, but many other people are, and I am affected by it as a result...
ourselves to blame, ourselves to blame...
Not me mate. Proud to say I've NEVER purchased any dlc before and I never will.
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