Grip Games' Jakub Mikyska on indie policies of Sony and Microsoft.
It should be surprising, some details would be nice. There are numerous indie developers who frequent Neogaf who pretty much say the exact opposite. Sony has been great and it's why they all want to work with them. Microsoft not so much. Read this thread for a better idea, here is a bunch of them talking about their expierences with both. Not filtered through Gamingbolt for clicks. http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...
Feel bad about those developers, but... neogaf? Seriously? That forum is a infested cesspool. EDIT: @BabyTownFrolics, Transistor Take a look at some of the comments from the link above and tell me if that is downright classy and calm.
Neogaf looks downright classy and calm as opposed to n4g. It's the stupid bubble policy, also I miss have two zones.
They say they same about N4G. The reality is there are terrible people on every site regardless of which console they like better. I will say this though, Neogaf is much more educated about the workings of the industry then most people here. Developers, people who work for NPD and all companies employees frequent there. Here not so much. Understandable though, here you give people real info and they reply with numbers from VGchartz. Lol.
Sony's parity policies are already known and likely the same for indies as they are for established studios. If you have to have your game release on multiple platforms and Playstation isn't the first, then Sony demands extra features be added to compensate the users having to wait for the game. I thought this was common knowledge.
of course they'd say that on neogaf if you say anything bad about sony your gone
@AstroCyborg well said bub @DragonKnight thats why super time force got the yoshida character , they thought it was funny . thats because neogaf only welcomes people who say good things about sony or bad things about ms , either will do but preferably both .
"has policies" =/= "same as Microsoft's policies"
Agree or not the way I see it The most popular console probably WOULD have some of the worst people commenting which in this case is PS4 just like back when the most popular consoles get the most shovelware Bottom line there are 20 people and 3 houses, out of those 20 people 8 of them are serial killers what ever house out of the three can house the most people runs the biggest chance and likelyhood of having the most killers in their midst. This is just my theory and since their are more than 20 mill PS4s out their so many players so we have the Sh*t that goes with it. Aside the fact that ALL sides have horrible people hiding behind the anonymity of the internet with no real consequences and sheer ignorance no website is safe that has a comment section period. But we all know all of this.
NEOGAF!! You SERIOUS!!! NEOGAF Seriously!! NEOGAF LMAO Edit: NEOGAF!? Are you seriously pulling qoutes from Neogaf!?!? Edit X2: Are we talkin bout the same NEOGAF?!?
I guess it's a matter of gamers noticing those...with No Man's Sky releasing soon, probably the biggest INDIE title in the coming years, it's hard to care about this article
Forcing devs to add content to a timed exclusive on another platform is a far cry from requiring devs to release on both platforms at once.
***Sony's parity policies are already known and likely the same for indies as they are for established studios. If you have to have your game release on multiple platforms and Playstation isn't the first, then Sony demands extra features *** I've never heard them "demand" it. Only ask. Any proof that they "demand" it?
why would you believe ANYTHING that is said on Neogaf when it is so cleary a biased site towards PS? I mean really
@babytownfrolics very well said. I miss the segregation and hate the bubble system. Honestly is a very flawed system. Where even if you say something that's well said and Intelligent. Console Biased N4Gers can take your bubbles away and especially when this site has more readers that of a particular console. The System is Broke, fight the power!
No surprises...from this site. and here run the fanboy wars
Gamebolt am out see ya
love how i get disagrees for THAT! are you surprised sony has a parity policy? then youre a .... well... pick an insult or maybe youre surprised by the obvious... ms works with developers and no policy is set in stone.. we already have proof of it in multiple titles that break the so-called parity clause..
I swear I knew this was gaming bolt before I even clicked
if sony has parity policies then state them dont just bullshit prove it or get lost.
a little surprising since its the only negative thing I've heard about sonys indie policies yet.
What parity policy? This is the first time that I'm hearing that Sony has a policy like Microsoft does
It probably just means it has to have the same quality on PS4 as any other platform. Doubt it's like MS where games have to release simultaneously on their platform as everyone else's.
MS DOES NOT require games to be released at the same time ie Guacamelee. MS handles them on a case by case basis if they do not have a simultaneous release. MS would prefer to have them add exclusive content like Shovel Night is doing (battletoads) to make it special. Their policies are nearly the same as Sony. People just love to hate on MS and rightfully so they have done some really dumb stuff recently. but in th past so has SONY, SEGA, NINTENDO...
Last gen Sony had a policy that if a game was released later on the PS3, it had to have extra content. Don't know if that is still used with the PS4.
I'm guessing it's that policy. And if you look at games that came late to the PS4 you can see it in effect. Like how in Shovel Knight Kratos is a boss or how in Super Time Squad you can play as Shuhei for example.
I'd prefer Sony's policy over Microsoft tbh rather have the game release late with more content than not at all ;)
Sony has had similar policies it's just that a last gen a Sony exec took it upon himself to call out MS and the media and the internet ran with it.
I honestly dont see requiring extra content for a game that comes late to be the same thing as completely blocking the game from releasing on the system. But that's just my opinion. P.S I know there's a way around Microsoft's parity clause through a loophole.
@master That's the same as the xbox policy. The head of the program came out and confirmed it if I'm not mistaken (that a game could release later on xbox, it just needs additional content). Yet it's a huge problem on here when MS does it. If the dev doesn't add content, then it's essentially blocked from playstation, same goes for xbox.
MS's loophole is pretty much what what Sony's policy is as well isn't it? Add content, and it can release on the system. I really don't know if these policies are set in stone so steadfast that the console maker wouldn't just allow a game on another system if the developer asked. To me, there is ultimately no harm for a game releasing later on another system. It may be harmful if a game releases first on another system though...which is why these policies exist in the first place.
on the ps3 sony had a policy that required games to have some form of additional content that was exclusive if the game was already released on the xbox 360. not sure if they do on the ps4 but what would be nice is this developer giving details as to what they are for indie games. we all well aware about microsoft's policies so why wouldn't sony's also be known? the thing is these companies know most sales are front loaded and if a game comes out later it risks selling a lot less copies. that is why they want at least simultaneous releases or new content exclusive to gain more interest.
But Microsoft doesn't block them entirely, they just require extra content... And in some cases allow the game to be released without extra content.