" Are we suffocating the industry, forcing their hand? Perhaps if we were willing to accept higher box prices we’d get less sleezy cash squeezes? Is Evolve’s pricing model our fault?"
Not in Australia lol
Not in Canada either pls. Games already are 'Variably' getting higher prices. It barely makes any sense outside the simple 'The CAD Dollar isn't worth as much' but then it's like, then why the F are Last-gen games priced the same as before the dollar crashed? Why is it only Current-gen games that are new that are being charged $5-$10-$15 more? They gouge it like a marketing tactic of raising the price on only the popular games or the popular console-version that will sell the most while leaving the other ones lower. It's unnatural and pisses me off. For instance: http://www.amazon.ca/Metal-... MGS5 PP. $65 for PS3/360 but $75 for PS4/ONE? There is not god damn DIFFERENCE in game content! -_- Can anyone explain this to me or is it as I'm feeling it?
Seriously I've bought way less new games for my PS4 than the PS3 and back then I had less money to spend. Its so stupid that we don't have the same prices anymore and the dollar shouldn't be an issue it never was in the past.
First off Im from canada. Last gen, I thought games were expensive with 60$ price tags, I could afford some and for the rest of them I had to wait for them to go cheaper like say 40$ or 35$. Now every game is 70$ minimum retail price, some are more expensive, and that doesnt even include DLC, so we can count 90$ minimum if you want all the contents, without the use of micro transcations for unlocking things, which I never use. I play the games, I dont need microtrasactions. So basically the base game is now 70-75$ I cant even afford new games unless im certain this is one of my games of the year, I can only afford 3 like these, for the rest of it I need to go in the used games market and even the used games market saw an increase in pricing so I have to wait longer for the price to drop at what I could afford in terms of the price of 7th gen! So now, Im in a system where I play games 8 to 12months late if I thought it was a good game but not a Goty. I still havent made it to shadow of mordor. but the advantages with this system now is that there are lots of games to play, was boring at first because there was nothing, but now since Im late there are plenty to choose from. But thank god I dont like MP only based games, because I would have a huge problem with that system because a Multiplayer can die after months. Edit: *That doesnt even include taxes, and taxes in quebec are like 15%, thats why Im dealing in the used games market now!
@shodai - Yeah, it's always the taxes that get you the worst, the higher the price - the more tax that's on it too course. Ontario tax I think is 12% thankfully from where it used to have a GST and PST and it combined into HST or whatever. It's still though by our own total cost for a $60 to go to just $67 essentially. But $75 goes to $84 total. $84 for a game in Canada? Screw that. We went from $67 to $84 total in differences. The only games I'm buying in 2015 because of it were Bloodborne and MGS5 which I fully pre-ordered so I don't have to deal with it later.
Maybe if they start making full games again. Take all that dlc you strip from the game put it back in the original game and then maybe.
Not in anywhere we shouldn't be paying high prices for these games that are half-ass and then force you to buy DLC. The only game out there that is worth $60 right now is bloodborne
Who needs video games in Austrailia when you have some of the greatest Japanese cars for cheap
if retail prices went up we would still get charged for DLC lol. The shops in uk have new releases from £35-49 yet digital is £55+ digital was touted as a cheaper way and savings could be passed on,yet its been respun as convienient so we pay a premium. By your reckoning(prices higher we wouldnt get shafted after) then digial games should include all season DLC because there at least 25% more in cost in UK. crazy thing is though that in mexico and many other counties using vpn i can get a brand new digital game for £25-30,yet in UK its at least double that.
Yup, we have always got shafted though thanks to electronics tax. The Mexican VPN thing was great though, I remember being able to preorder Titanfall on PC for £22.
Not in US either! The model is screwed up. Incomplete and glitchy games are becoming the norm. If anything, consumers should be pickier with their money to pressure devs to produce better games that are not broken on release. *Speaking for PC*
Games are way too expensive. Thats why now I'm just enjoying life and gonna buy games after they drop to 20 euros. The only games I'll pay full price for now are games I really cant wait to play like the witcher 3 and UC4
My vote goes to cheaper digital games, without the packaging and distribution costs there's no reason why they shouldn't be cheaper. Retail is already way too pricey in certain stores, Game were charging £55 for Bloodborne and The Order at launch.
I don't think they have the balls to bite the hand that feeds them. As nice as cheaper digital games are the actual consoles still have to be sold. Why would retailers want to stock these expensive pieces of kit when they are being purposefully undermined by the digital releases. Playing devils advocate here.
Won't happen, digital games remain just as pricey as launch and actually remain expensive for months while physical mediums drop in price due to competition from retailers and used game sales. That bogus about reduced distribution coasts only aids the publishers, they are far to greedy to pass the savings along.
i dont know how GAMEUK are even in business still. preowned are 5% cheaper than new and new games are £55 instore. i paid £32 for bloodborne and the order was £30 from online shop using codes(both on release day)
Its not only those costs but retailer profit costs as well to take into consideration. Going from buyig games on online retailers verses store retailers. 70 euros in store to 55 online I'd say retailers get each game at about 40 to 45 euros.
Cliff Blezinski replied to this article and he stands by his stance on the digital ecosystem. I agree with him *hides behind desk*
Shoot I agree with him too now make room in the desk lol 1+ vote for cheaper digital games, I never trade in my games so I'd be alright going all digital ( I do still take pride in my shelf of games though(: )
Ha. This desk isn't made of Admantium. We're going to get killed!
Sony originally did this on vita. Don't know why they stopped on ps4. Digital vita games were generally 10 percent cheaper than the retail versions. As per the question of retail going up the answer is no. If that happens more people will go digital and we'll float ever closer to an all digital future. Big games shouldn't be downloadable anyway. They take up way too much hard drive space. I wouldn't mind the handheld market going all digital but not the console space.
I've gone all digital so far (minus initial launch) and my only complaint is pricing. Knowing I can't trade games in has made me question purchases more, which in turn has saved me money overall, but I'd still like a $10 price drop on the digital titles
As I said I would *ahem* "Shut up Cliffy B. People need to stop asking his opinion on things." All digital has some huge problems that I'd like to see worked out before fully committing to it, but that said there is one benefit to digital I do enjoy and that's not paying $10 in taxes.
i love the fact that we don't pay GST in the PS store (alberta has no provincial sales tax, thankfully!). i've often gone digital because of this reason.
Ontario has HST, the stupid Harmonized Sales Tax that combined GST with PST to make an overall tax of 13% If I buy a $70 physical copy, I end up paying just under $80. That's a no in my book so I've ended up buying many more digital games just to save that $10.
I would gladly welcome more cheaper digital games. Makes sense to do so as well.
It makes zero sense from a publisher stand point...They are the same price because retail stores would have a fit and stop carrying the games, plain and simple...And with the people who still go on about how much they love physical and love having a box and all that crap retail stores get their way It will never change until companies stop caring what retail stores want...Every company except Nintendo has talked about how they think digital prices should be lower but cannot...Nintendo are the only ones who flat out said that they believe they should be the same price because your paying for the content not the box and disc
Backwards compatibility needed for me to go all digital. I don't want to buy a game and ten years later not own it cause it is not on the store anymore or the system in debuted on is no longer being updated.
They are already $70 in Canada, and that's not even the most expensive example there is. So no, never.
In Japan, they arent even standardized from what i see. Bloodborne = $60 Dragon Quest Heroes= $68 FF Type-0 = $87
Yeah, Japan has never had standard prices like most of the world. That has its positives and negatives, but in the end it's Japan.
Hell no I already pay £45-50 for my games. I can hardly afford any as it is. Digital prices should certainly be hell of alot cheaper though.
No, if they raise anymore you will see less sales because who wants to pay more when we are already getting half a game most of the time? Activision, EA, Ubi (is starting)...this is not okay.
Señor Bleszinski was almost alone in standing against the tides of protest.“You cannot have game and marketing budgets this high while also having used and rental games existing. The numbers do NOT work people. <bounce to next tweet> Newsflash. This is why you’re seeing free to play and microtransactions everywhere. The disc based day one $60 model is crumbling”. Was he right again? Gamers were quite correct in identifying the change to consumer rights, and gamers have shown that they will fight tooth and nail to retain ownership of their games. The backlash against Microsoft was uncompromising, and Microsoft very publically buckled under the pressure. Exactly but gamers overreact they think they know it all but they don't. Gamers surprise me all the time on this site you have guys even justifying no exclusives for PS4 heard it all now i live in weird world with nutty people.
This is a hazardous practice to be playing, especially with PC gamers. High prices put gamers in a defensive shell and wont entice us to ever pay full price for a game. We would rather play our backlog until the next Steam Sale comes along. So when new games release on Pc for $70CDN its small wonder why they dont do all that well upon release. Then comes the vicious circle of rhetoric regarding devs blaming gamers blaming devs....
video game prices went up again in Canada http://www.amazon.ca/STAR-W...
That's the deluxe edition, not a standard edition. That's why it's $10 more. The price did not go up another $10 across the board.
What a stupid article. The opposite is the case. If games were cheaper much more people would be willing to buy them. Especially MP focused games, which are destined to flop otherwise (looking at you Evolve/Titanfall).
Not exactly. If games were cheaper, developers and publishers would have to sell more units just to turn in a profit. And the reality is that most games flop regardless of price. Sales may look good on paper, but means nothing if it doesn't generate the revenue to offset the costs.
I paid $130 for the "Complete" PS4 version of Destiny. If you can call it complete! Still like the game, slowed down on playing it lately though. Got both expansions and a neat little motion detecting Ghost. But I hear the argument, don't have to like it: $60 for the incomplete version $80+ for all the DLC complete version If we expect games to get bigger and better, than we should probably expect the price to get bigger too.
Tell you what. When games come out that are even worth the price they are now, then you can talk about raising the price. I haven't played a game yet that was worth more than the asking price as is right now. NOT ONE.
this. most games aren't even worth playing nevermind paying full price. instead of raising prices publishers need to stop blowing all of their budget on marketing. is it any wonder why so many games this gen are mediocre when the marketing costs more than the development.
Also DLC. If anything they should lower the price. Since its now common practice to bombard us with DLC a week after you bought the game.
No thank you very much. 70€ is already enough.
Doesn't make sense. Gamers only have X amount of dollars, they spent X on gaming for Y amount of games. Increase X decrease Y. Increasing cost of entry = less sales down the line for you, more for used games sales. No one wins. People like to pretend publishers aren't making profits on their games, they are... a ton. There is a reason why they keep making more games. They break even on almost all games, and have profit on a good majority. The issue is publishers want to increase their profit margins -- sure, they are a business and that makes sense. But doesn't mean the consumers say "Yes, increase the price of gaming because not all of your games make the same amount of profit as Call of Duty".
its time for digital prices to go down AND for publishers to share the profits more fairly with the developers who make the games.
The market dictates the price of a game. You know, the cost of the product versus how much the customer is willing to spend. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Absolutely not, 60 bucks is a huge amount of money for a single game, game prices should be lower not higher
Only kids, deadbeats, cheapskates and those who cannot manage money for squat think $60 is a huge amount of money.
get off your high horse and come back to the grim economic recession reality, also you are a jerk
Video games arn't food, its not a nessessity of life. It's a privileged luxury, considering PC and Consoles have a astronomical catalogue of games, why not play older cheaper ones until the price on newer ones drop?
A) Can't always get the older games. B) If you can get the older games, it's possible they are rarer and thus more expensive than new games. C) People like new things. D) People like playing multiple things at once.
so don't bitch about the price if you're willing to pay for it
I'll complain about what I whatever I want to. As a consumer, that's my right. Just like it's my right to not buy the game at all. Just like it's my right to tell you to go ahead and turn in any console or PC you have that's at least 5 years old or less and never play a new game again, while videoing yourself doing this to prove your convictions about not playing new games.
Because gamers think they're entitled to something, always seeming to forget that the world doesn't revolve around them and content-producers have rights too.
If there were less DLC, then yes. But, there is so much DLC that it is hard to justify a higher game price.
I always buy my games new, never used. I just usually wait for the price to drop. Used games going the way of the Dodo wouldn't affect me one bit. Plus, it's not like I don't have an outlandish backlog to tend to, anyway. If prices go up, however, I'd be waiting for quite a while.
If they do I will be going 100% digital... if I ever get a PS4 that is.
I've been saying this all along when people bitch about DLC. The option is either it works like it does now ($60 base + more for DLC) or we pay $70 or $80 base price (with no paid DLC). Games have been the same price for a long, long time. Back to N64 (some games cost $70 or more back then). Games are insanely more complex nowadays, dev teams are humongous compared to 15-20 years ago. I'd rather it stay like it is currently, because most DLC is a waste of money.
I can't agree on this . DLC werent born out of financial necessity ... especially when roughly 80% of those are still content already done and cut from games . Raise the price of games , and DLC still wont go away or get better . It will just mean higher prices for all , and still the badly managed studios , or studios with too many failures in sales , dying off . And no i dont believe for a second in people's better judgement , and ability to say enough is enough . The abuses piled up , limits kept being tested , and most people are still ok with it . Aside from the riots and revolts against bad launches , and the original plans for the Xbox One , people as a collective dont rise up to the occasion Finally , it's the reduced pricing on PC games that actually saved its market imo , on top of its existing advantages . people are actually hoping for fair digital pricing to finally happens , instead of the industry currently protecting retail chains
No. Seriously, no. There's some broken logic in here: none of these things -- microtransactions, DLC etc -- were implemented in reaction to not having enough money to make the games. Publishers have and make millions. They just want MORE. Just look at the interview with Ubisoft's Tony Key (the YT vid is not hard to find). They want $200. DLC won't go away, in fact, publishers love the fact that their games get a long tail. But DLC doesn't have to suck. Microtransactions can be brilliant. If anything, games should be cheaper with the option to cherry pick the stuff we want, and more games should look at implementing F2P PROPERLY. Path Of Exile and Planetside 2, for example, shows a better way. EDIT: What Baka-akaB says.
Absolutely not. $60 is enough with them milking us with bad practices. If they raise it that won't go away.
I've never understood why digital games cost the same as physical copies and I've never understood the adoption of the $60 price model. Both huge games and smaller games are $60. I don't mind paying more than $60 for a large game, but I shouldn't have to pay the same amount for Knack or The Order. I also get sick of all the DLC. I don't really care about campaign DLC being sold separately but MP games shouldn't sell MP DLC that does nothing but split up the lobbies making it much harder to find a game. The season pass should just be included with the purchase of the game and the price of the game should increase to $80 or $100.
Sure inflation has happened, but back in the day, you never had AAA titles with millions in budget for 4 hours of gameplay ala 1886. I would probably stop gaming quite a bit if new titles went up to $80
MegaMan X for snes was 79.99 on launch day...i beat it in 2 days and regret nothing
If someone makes a AAA turn-based RPG, I will pay $100 for it. Increased genre-variety is the only way increased prices make sense.