According to a new rumor posted by an insider on Neogaf, we now have sales data for several important pieces of Wii U software that Nintendo has chosen not to update us on.
Creamsugar has the NPD report and gets hunted down by NPD ninjas monthly. The numbers are legit.
Toad sold well, the rest is really disappointing. One more proof that people buy Nintendo home consoles for 1st party games only and i'm one of them. Out of all these games, i only have Captain Toad.
More proof that these games aren't really that good. It's good for a specific group of gamers. Quality eventually becomes viral, so don't give me that BS about sales don't equal quality. Because quality travels and will eventually become mass-market.
@mikeslemonade: you are full of BS. Sales almost never mean quality. You seem to be one of those who follow the fashion. Marketing is nothing but a scam. You can never be sure of what you're getting.
"Quality becomes viral" Like religion you mean? Or pop stars? Or Hollywood movies? Mass appeal means sh*t in this world.
Wrong. Not for 1st party games only, just mostly. You really should own Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101. Some of the finest on Wii U.
@mikeslemonade - sales is not always indicative of quality. How many McDonald's burgers are sold each day? How many albums did Justin Bieber sell? How much box office did Transformers 4 generate? All high numbers indeed, but the quality is definitely debatable. How can Bayonetta 2 not be a great game? It was up for GOTY by every major publication not to mention it garnered 9's basically across the board by most reviews. The fact that Platinum even included the original Bayonetta in the package was an amazing bonus. It gave us Nintendo folk who didn't play the original a chance to experience the first game. Captain Toad is definitely a niche game and I wouldn't expect that to sell extremely well. ZombiU I loved, and sales can't tell me that I didn't enjoy a game.
@mikeslemonade, Uhh, what? Bayonetta 2 was totally one of the best games released last year, bar none. I'm more inclined to say people just don't care about Wii U, which is disappointing. I love that thing and the games are very good quality.
@mike so wii sports series and wii fit series are better than any game you play by that standard. because they sold like heck, must be quality riiiiiight? /sarcasm Thats BS and you know it. thats like saying any singer that doesn't outsell justin beiber lacks talent and deserves low sales
I think all of those games have demos, you should try them out. I just wish nintendo would release solid data. All we have is vgchartz and this guy, and they're both at complete opposites. All we know for sure is: 60k in Japan in its time tracked by media create. 60k in France by January (actually not bad for France) Nintendo funds such niche games. The fatal frame series has sold less than a million lifetime after 6 entries. Devil's Third, Bayonetta, W101 are all hardcore games with limited appeal. In the Gamecube days they had big names like Star Wars, Resident Evil, and Metal Gear. The Gamecube wasn't successful, but at this point it should be a goal with Wii U sales tracking like 3 million behind it despite steady market growth in the past 15 years.
Sad to see Bayonetta 2 selling so poorly. Didn't the original Bayonetta sell well over a million? It's a shame Nintendo were the only company willing to fund a sequel because it probably would have sold really well if it was multiplatform. People clearly want to play the game, they just don't want to own a Nintendo console.
While you are wrong about quality means sales (call of duty being a no brainer for example) the exception to your invalid reasoning lies with the souls games. Demons souls wasnt even going to get oorted over to the west, but its arising popularity among the forums and gamers worldwide talking about it created enough buzz that a publisher was found and thus the eventual release of demons souls in the west. Even then initial sales were not huge but word about the quality of the game continued to spread and sales were constant with that title unlike many other games that have high to mid sales opening week/month and then becoming more staggering after. This is one example about quality of a game creating the sales, but this doesn't coolrrespond witb bayo2 or any of the wiiu games, its just an 3rdly
only first party games sold well on a nintendo home console? SHOCKER!! You wonder why 3rd partys dropped it like a lead balloon.. If they are happy with around 200k worldwide sales 3rd partys will support it.
Please excuse my grammer. Ive been up over 24 hrs and am trying to keep awake so i can sleep tonight. I had a long game session lol
The only one of these games I don't have that is listed is Bayonetta 2, it is a shame that more people have not picked up ZombiU or The Wonderful 101 they are both great games that should be in everyone's collection.
Bayo2 was pretty awesome
Nintendo Fanboys don't buy good games. Even when they're exclusive. They only buy Nintendo IPs. It's f***ing sickening. I hope this isn't true because Bayonetta 2 is one of the best games the Wii U has.
Sales=/=Quality Bayonetta, Wonderful 101 are quality games. its just further proof that Nintendo has a problem with third party companies and attempting to sell these games to their customers.
Umm.. Wonderful101 is a Nintendo IP. Platinum developed it. Anyway, it's best not to believe poorly researched articles. The Internet is infested with tons of lazy people who like to voice their opinion. These sales figures are more than likely BS. The article even says rumor. VGZChartz, which is reliable, reports that Bayonetta 2 has sold 660000 (not including digital sales) with 360000 sold in the US. Including digital sales, it has probably sold over 700000. ZombiU has sold 840000 total. These are not great, but definitely not bad. W101 does have poor numbers, though, with only 320000 sold.
Mikeslemonade, do you honestly believe that libertarian/austrian economics bs? People tend to like things that are familiar to them. This is human psychology. With over exposure, though, these familiar things can just become noise leading something new to go viral... largely by chance. But this isn't solely a function of its quality.
Funnily enough, I have all of those games... except Captain Toad. XD
very impressive numbers!
Indeed. They show Nintendo is marching its way toward the same exit door that Sega went through. That's without a reasonable doubt. The NX needs to deliver a real next-gen experience from the PS4 and Xbox One if they want to stay competitive in the ever changing console gaming climate. The Wii U is a fanservice console but nothing more. Nintendo went completely wrong there.
Yep. CreamSugar is legit. Sale's matter. If you wonder why the Wii U gets no Third Party support, look no further.
ZombiU is at 840K in sales.
Nintendo: no Mario = no profit.
If this is true I need to re buy a few of these games because they will be collectors items when this gen is over. So far I own all of those games as digital only. Another thing is npd doesn't include nintendo numbers. Those are internal. Plus I remember a few of these games reaching a million... something is fishy. How did the wiiu sell 90 million pieces of software and these games did not sell?
Bayonetta.....that style of gameplay is VERY NICHE. Not hating on it, it's just a game almost nobody plays...or a game style. It's still a worth and legit genre, but it just doesn't get played much, therefore 157,000 copies of that particular style or type of game, isn't really that bad. It's actually decent. I'm not into that style or that game and probably won't even play it, but it didn't do bad. * You don't get the extra 50,000-100,000 games sold on the Wii U like you will on the XB1 & PS4 because of the install base. * Hopefully Captain Toad sold well enough to get another in the series.
So you are saying it's OK that it bombed... If it just doesn't get played, why did the first game sell a ton more? Presumably you're also happy that this game killed the franchise.
The problem is most gamers want a male protagonist. Male character facing away from the camera. Hit. Perky looking female that does not look like a rape victim, flop. simple as that... Gamers are the most f-ed up people.
This is why third party devs just aren't bothering with Wii U. Fanboys can pretend like a couple of subpar ports are the reason, but Nintendo home consoles haven't been a place to get major sales on third party games since the days of SNES (the exception being some success for third parties on the Wii for first couple years).
Glad to see Captain Toad sell well
Bayonetta 2 represent.
150k. Wow....... That is a disaster.
Nintendo fans really have to start to support games like this better. Bayonetta 2 deserves better.
Not on an install base half the size of the PS4, it's not. Especially after all the bashing and negative press it's gotten from jerks who hated it because of its exclusivity. If the Wii U had the same global numbers for its install base as the PS4 currently, and it still sold to the same percentage of the install base, Bay 2 would have already been near to, if not above, 2M copies sold globally. Also, keep in mind that these numbers are USA only, and there's no word on whether digital was included. But in any case, no matter what one thinks of the game, selling the the numbers it has, reaching the percentage of the install base it has, despite only having one console with less than 11M install base to sell to, is an impressive feat. And even though it's slow, the sales are still rising. By any fair comparison, Bay 2 isn't doing half as badly as some people think it is. Also, @ cornholio If people outside of Nintendo really do think it deserves better sales, why aren't they getting the system and the game? At this point no one BUT Nintendo fans are supporting it.XD
@Wonderful..- no....no it isn't good. Those are bad numbers. Yet Mario Kart 8 did 4 million units, Smash Bros Wii U did 4 million units...I'm sorry but those numbers are bad and only really show that putting that game on that system was a bad, bad idea. I mean..Sega got their money and so did Nintendo, but its clear the game would have sold more on PS3 and 360 EASILY. Nevermind digital to as those sales are always statistically lower then retail disk base, especially if we are talking about the Wii crowd that doesn't buy online as much as the Sony and MS crowd do. Its clear the next game won't likely be on 1 platform. Bayonetta is a great game and really deserves better of the IP, Sega would be wise to never make a deal with Nintendo on that system.
@wonderfulmonkeyman Selling only 150k to a 11.5 million install base is a disaster. Wii U doesn't have that many games to choose from so a game like B2 would be a no brainer to anyone.....except for the mothers and fathers who bought the Wii U for their 8-12 yo kid just like Wii. B1 sold over 135k on PS3 in the first week alone. Sure the install base was bigger than Wii U, but since Wii U doesn't have that many games to choose from it should've sold much more just like Resistance FOM and the first Motorstorm for example.
There were too few people with WiiU who are into bayonetta to begin with and not everyone were ready to buy WiiU for it..although i did..
Yes, close. However, the list of great games to sell in low numbers on consoles with a far larger install base is long. I mean, the original Bayonetta (for example) sold poorly despite being available for both PS3 AND 360, and the less said about Vanquish's sales the better/ Also, Okami anybody? Like I say, the list is near endless. Besides, the important stat here is Bayonetta 2 was made, it is arguably the finest example of the genre to date, AND...not being designed for PS4/XB1 ment no screen-tearing and jarring performance issues. Sales talk will come and go, the games are here to stay.
All you idiots are failing to take into consideration that this is only sales for America not worldwide. Dumbass Haters Good luck finding any quality games that ain't broken and boring on all your consoles of choices. Talk about sales cause Sony Fanboys can't compete when it comes to games lol pathetic and insecure is the only way to describe them.
You can be belligerant and agressive all you want ... it changes very little . Yeah it's only the US numbers , but what is the likelihood of those numbers being 4X 5X times bigger over EU or japan or in Digital form? It simply doesnt look good wich is sad . Especially for those like myself wich cared more for titles like Bayonetta 2 than Nintendo's own core offering . If true it illustrate yet again the same problem that some fans insist doesnt exist . No things are not fine ... whatever amount of money is pouring into Nintendo and how rich they are ... they havent been for générations . Each time now , relationships with 3rd parties publishers are bad or abysmal , and you're stuck with a console that is a delivery system for Nintendo titles , and two or 3 top selling franchises at best , like Monster hunter and Sonic . Which is a pity and detrimental to everyone . With an healthy 3rd party market , we could have the same Nintendo games , and an healthy alternative ecosystem for those caring less about them . Precisely like on their handhelds . It would actually help titles deserving it like Bayonetta 2 . Not everyone not in love with all main Nintendo franchises , will as if it , be "crazy" enough like myself , to get a Wii U mostly for Bayo 2 , Xenoblade and Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem . Some major props is deserved of course , W101 and Bayo 2 wouldnt happen at all without Nintendo's involvement , but it's still sad
1. Bayonetta 2: Global Sales - 0.66m approx. 660,000 copies 2. Captain Toad: Global Sales - 0.59m approx. 590,000 copies 3. Zombi U: Global Sales - 0.84m approx. 840,000 copies 4. The Wonderful 101: Global sales - 0.32 approx. 320,000 copies
To be fair this is all because of second console syndrome. People get 3rd party games on there xbox and playstation and only get wiiu for mario and co. So when something that breaks the norm comes out like bayonetta they dont buy it purely because thats not why they bought it.
So no one noticed the "Rumor" posted in the title. And I thought "US was not the world"? Wasn't that the mantra around here not too long ago, why are we all speaking doom and gloom when looking at these rumored sales in America only?
It took a long stretch of time and two consoles with well over10m in install base combined for the first Bay to hit that Million mark, let alone the little bit extra it ended with. Bay 2 is approaching that mark worldwide, at over 600k sold, with not only a smaller install base, but also a lot more viral hate due to it's exclusivity. And also,@ insomnium, saying it should have sold better "because there really wasn't anything else on the system" is a blatant lie that only those that either haven't looked into the system's lineup, or don't appreciate what's on offer, tell to others to justify their feelings. The system has had a wealth of quality indies, first parties, and some good exclusives that have made it more than worth picking up. At this point, if you don't own a Wii U to complement the machine you chose for third party multiplats, you ARE missing out on a lot of good games. @ Edmix Your example is so biased that it's hilarious. Smash and MK have had many more entries to gain reputation, and they didn't get slammed with viral anti-buy campaigns just for the system they are on. Bay 2 was the first entry of the series on a Nintendo system, from a company that never really sees big sales anyways, that had a lot of anti-Nintendo jerks lobbying for a boycott of it. Digital also accounts for a much larger percentage of their sales than you think. There was an article about it not too long ago, look it up. Also, it wouldn't have sold on those systems because eveyone is abandoning them for the PS4 and XBone. (aside from a small minority, myself included) They're doing so in response to developers focusing more and more on development for games that are not cross gen. Oh, and no one wanted to fund Bay 2 besides Nintendo. Not even Sega. Because no one bought the first one in the numbers it deserved. Despite being on two consoles with huge combined install base numbers and popularity on their side.
Oh, my god. You guys are still making excuses. Bayonetta did not do well. Install base is not an excuse, given the games that did better with an even smaller base, even on the Wii U. Just freaking face it: THIS is the reason third parties avoid Nintendo hardware. Or are you gonna say Bayonetta was a crappy port, too?
Thinking about buying this game at some point myself now that I have a Wii U in the household. I only ever played the demo of Bayonetta on PS3 but it was pretty fun, and I've heard good things about 2. When I was in town last week I seen the Bayonetta 1 & 2 bundle pack for £29.99. Really good price.
I'd snap that right up. The bundle pack is becoming pretty hard to find and nintendo won't be making more of it. The actual print run on Bayo 2 wasn't much to begin with. Stonking game though.
204,000 for a Wii U title is fair well. We wait to see Zombi U2 in the console....
Are you kidding? All those sales are terrible. Sure one could argue they're ok, for a WiiU game, but taken objectively as a next gen title regardless of userbase or platform ,it spells a very strong message to developers, make exclusives for WiiU and be damned to obscurity and poor sales. It's not a message Nintendo would want I would think.
Agreed. Awful number for EVERYTHING, except maybe Toad..
America only. ZombiU sold over 700,000 globally and that was 2014 numbers. Bayonetta 2 broke 500,000 before the year was even over. Wonderful 101 did the worst at just 320,000 which is a true shame since it's so great a game. But bad sales or not, you still ain't playing any of these games but on Wii U
@jholden3249 Last time we saw Bayonetta 2 in Japan, it was at like 60k. That's a little more than 200k between Japan and the US. Am I supposed to believe that Europe and the rest of the world did 300k when the game's biggest markets did worse? VGChartz is nonsense. Always has been. Always will be.
Bayonetta 2 cost a lot less than the order. The order probably lost more money for Sony than Bayonetta did for Nintendo.
First. The article is entitled "RUMOR" and people go and take it for fact. Second. Fairly accurate sales numbers are available on the Internet. These numbers are incredibly inaccurate and reflective of lazy or malicious reporting.
Really Geo? Ubi-Soft have already said there will be NO 'Zombi U'2.
Ubisoft has already said quite a few times that there absolutely will not be a sequel to ZombiU, that it sold far worse than they expected
ZombiU sold 430K in NA alone. These numbers are incorrect.
@gokuking http://www.vgchartz.com/gam... I'm sorry but you're really ignorant to sit here and deny Bayonetta 2 has even sold 500k when even the UNDER TRACKING VG Chartz says it's almost at wait for it... 700,000 sales WITHOUT digital included What, VG Chartz just picks numbers out of thin air now and has no semblance of accuracy just because you don't want to believe the facts? I'm sorry, even if it is inaccurate it's not gonna be by more than 10-20k. ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT, this game has been at over half a million for well over a year now. Seriously, the ignorance on display here is baffling.
Ouch! Non Nintendo IPs not faring too well, wonder what the worldwide numbers are..?
3/4 of a million for ZombiU not counting digital. 2/3 of a million for Bayonetta 2, not counting digital. Not sure about Toad. 1/3 of a million for Wonderful 101, not counting digital (which is fairly substantial from what I hear, same for Bayonetta 2). So ya, W101 did poorly. We all knew that from day one. But ZombiU and Bayonetta 2 very well might break 1 million sold, same for Toad, and people are criticizing this? All of these games sales have climbed 100k-150k in the last 12 months. That's the thing- Nintendo platform games continue to sell. I would not get against 3 of these 4 games breaking 1 million sold by the end of this generation.
any of those titles reach 1 Million yet?
no,not even bayonetta
Not even with backing from the online community #OperationPlatform did it manage to sell a million. Honestly this SEGA was a bad partnership nintendo should've went with Capcom instead for exclusive deals titles ;)
Not in America if this is right.
As far as we know, none of them have. The only game to sell a million units last year worldwide besides Smash Bros and Mario Kart 8 was Hyrule Warriors. So much for Bayonetta 2's sales. People need to stop thinking VGChartz is a reliable source. If Bayonetta 2 really had sold that well, then Nintendo would have likely revealed its sales data in a previous financial briefing. Bayonetta 2 is just a good example of a game that did not have a big target audience on Wii U to begin with. Devil's Third will be the next mature game to bomb on Wii U. It's a shame since Nintendo did a pretty good job of marketing Bayonetta 2. Captain Toad has done quite well for game that is a small scale spin-off project that used assets from Mario 3D World and had a short development time. If you combine the US sales data with Japan's known sales for the end of 2014 (130k copies), then Captain Toad has sold around 445k copies combined.
Bayonetta barely reach 2m on a TWO platform claimed to be for hardcore gamers with over 165m install base. Sad right.. 2m out of 165m
It did pretty well for a new IP.
Proof that if Nintendo doesn't attach a character from one of their old and dependable franchises, then the game bombs as a result.