Why is Microsoft seemingly determined to avoid addressing Xbox One's energy-wasteful default mode, which is costing consumers millions of dollars a year in electricity bills?
The Windows 10 Update will likely address this. It's no biggie.
What is to be addressed? So in standby mode you use .45kw/hours a day. $0.12 per killowatt hour and you have $1.60 a month.... To put this in perspective an average light bulb is 60 watts almost 4 times the power used by your xbox in standby. And how many light bulbs are in your house? How often are they on? How often do you forget to turn on Off? Not to mention all your tvs, monitor, PCs, and even the ps4 consume 10+ watts when off or in standby as well. Pretty much you have to be completely delusional to believe this is so outrageous unheard of thing and even more ignorant to not realize there is an option to turn off the xbox fully, rather than standby. Sad what some people will come to whine about over a freaking console war.... or actually just oit of being purely ignorant.
In fact, there is an option presented upon first boot after all. I knew I remembered it asking. https://m.youtube.com/watch...
Yes, the massive spike in my electricity bill after plugging in my X1 made me lose my house. My neighborhood HOA got together to complain about the massive loss of available power in my neighborhood since the launch of X1. The power company had to upgrade the power plant here and is causing global warming to speed up, caused a nuclear reactor to overload, and a volcano erupted. Way to go Microsoft! They are so evil, I think this was there plan all along to take over the world, 12 watts at a time!
To be fair nicksetzer1, that's a European Xbox One initial boot screen. The article says that's not an option upon first boot of an Xbox in the US.
XBONE standby = 12watts PS4 rest mode = 10watts Their whole argument is that it's the default option and that people are to stupid/ignorant to know any better. I put the blame on ignorant consumers not the manufacturer. Stay classy polygon.
yup, thats a huge TDP difference s/...
Well, Polygon is really misinterpreting the data here. The 12.5 Watt number isn't the problem here. Its not so much that the Xbox One doesn't have a lower power state (and yes 12.5 is still more than 10 watts) but the real thing the NRDC wants Microsoft to do is make it default or easier for people to find because by default, the Standby mode is using 18 Watts which is 2x more than the PS4 in Rest mode. The extra power is used for the instant "Xbox On" features that most probably don't care about.
Standby uses 12.5 watts, compared to 18 when it first launched. Full shutdown uses only 1/2 a watt. It's been a long time since I bought XB1, but I seem to recall that upon initial setup the system takes you through all of those setup options anyways so you don't have to find it(not that Settings is hard to find anyways).
@TheCommentator I wouldn't know if the setting is part of the initial setup, but to me it would make sense for the 18 Watt mode to be default when the console first released due to the Kinect. Also, one easy fix would be to add different shutdown modes to the quick menu.
I read someone tested the PS4 with a kill-a-watt meter and found the rest mode to be less than 4 watts. I think I'll repeat the test as well since I have a kill-a-watt at home. I don't have an Xbox One, or I'd test that too, I'm curious if it's really 12 watts
PS4 uses less than 4 watts in standby mode if you disable USB charging. @uth11 yes
if nothing is plugged into the USB ports, does it still draw extra power?
Why does it matter they get there info from over millions of x1 at one time...not just one..people that loves there x1 really don't care bout the power!!! I dont I never then mine off Never!!!! Stop with this crap already..... Keep flaming MS over every little thing n it will only be Sony then you will see what happens,..think EA is bad..Sony would be 10 times worse
"That results in a lot of unnecessary energy use," ...Thats funny because I actually love standby mode and find an immense value out of turning on my xbox quickly. I think the assumption of "unnecessary energy use" is just that an assumption toward consumers. Just proving the notion of what happens when you assume things.
If you're that lazy that you cannot disable a feature on a game console you shouldn't be allowed to own one. What's happened to this world?
1. You have to know it exists. 2. Most people buy consoles just to play games, not fiddle with power save modes.
People too stupid to check out the features of an expensive piece of electronics to see what it can and can't do deserve to have their money wasted. I'd rather have options than the awful alternative of dumbing everything down because there are people out there too lazy or stupid to check an options menu for 2 minutes.
@Chris So when you buy something you don't do any research and just think it will do what you want automatically.
@dennett316: Has nothing to do with intelligence. Has to do with what people want out of the device and what they consider to be needed. Most people don't care about power save features and will use it as default unless they can improve their experience in some manner through power save features. @DERKADER: Who would search for power saving features when they are happy with what it does out of the box? In fact, who would think to use power save features when they probably don't care about that at all unless it's a method of improving how long their controller lasts in a day?
"Who would search for power saving features when they are happy with what it does out of the box?" Someone who wants to know what their product is capable of. But I guess ignorance is bliss.
***Someone who wants to know what their product is capable of. But I guess ignorance is bliss.*** That's most people today. I'm a power user. I want to know everything my device does. Most people, though, only look for something when they find that they want to use it, but not until then.
So you agree that this is only a problem for people who choose to not learn about their consoles features. I don't make excuses for these people.
Sure, if it's a problem at all. I think for most people, this is a non-issue. Note, I was replying to the sentiment of "If you're that lazy that you cannot disable a feature on a game console you shouldn't be allowed to own one." That seemed extremely hyperbolic to me.
You also need to know how to turn lightswitches off .... should we be outraged that they don't just turn off by default? Not to mention you are whining about $1.60 per month ... you clearly just don't understand how power consumption wirks or you wouldn't be so upset .... tv, monitors, even the ps4 use power when they are off (10w +) yet i haven't seen anyone, icluding yourself whine about it like this.
@nicksetzer1: Think you responded to the wrong person?
Most people buy consoles just to play games, not fiddle with network settings, video settings, sound settings, system updates, themes, user accounts, multimedia, browse the web, etc. etc.
Dumb people that think the world runs on fresh air, I bet the people that write these dumb articles blaze through a ton more energy than the average person.
Well I like my console updating while its in standby, my money and I'll spend it how I like. If you found it a problem then you'd look for the setting and switch it into saver mode, its all about choice.
No matter how efficient they make them you will always end up having to pay the same as the energy companies would just hike up the price again to ensure they continue to make a year on year profit just like they have done now we all use led bulbs and the such. Your energy bill never goes down, only up, regardless of what Ms or Sony do gamers will still end up paying that amount or more going forward.
I Don't have an issue with stand by mode ,kind like it .
I love it but I tend to keep it off. I'd never use it if I didn't have a data cap.
Give me a break. In all honesty both the Xbox one and ps4 suck way more energy than needed, especially when using apps like Netflix. Both consumer over 50 watts while other devices like roku and fire tv use under 5 watts. If you are going to bitch about power consumption, actually complain about something that makes sense.
This was a known issue back when the console came out. Stand by mode is completely optional. If you lost money because you didn't read up on the console you were buying, then you have no one to blame but your self. There is no defending ignorance.
I use voice commands all the time. Also, my Xbox is on for about 18 hours a day being used by someone in my household. Energy consumption is required for the experience. I knew that going in.
cause gamers don't care
I've been getting irritated the last few months because the thing wouldn't come on when I commanded it. Now I remember, I turned that option off.
people don't care thats why. i never liked to leave things on stand by or sleep mode not pcs not anything. i have a kinect but i never use the standby mode its on when i wanna play off when I'm done.
You should try the instant on. The updates to UI and games happen middle of the night and you rarely get stuck having to wait for ANYTHING to update. You also can buy games at work or away from home and they instantly start installing, ready for you when you get home. It's really BETTER for the system to come on from a sleep mode rather then powering it down completely. Will it really make a big difference which one you chose, nah, but it's not bad AT ALL for the console.
I've tried it i always update manually since I'm in the preview program they always send a message letting you know new update is avaliable. also i don't know if its better most of my friends use the instant on but they have to reboot their consoles every few days because of small issues that a simple reboot can solve
Yeah, the reboot thing is annoying. I have noticed I need to do it less and less as more updates come. How cool is the preview program? I am in it as well and love. The new voice messages are pretty cool!
I turn my xbox completely off so i don't have to worry about that. I only use standby if im downloading something.
If you really are worried about a few watts then perhaps you should find a less expensive hobby.
You can just hold the power switch for a few seconds until the console turns completely off, or simply change the settings. I don't see what the problem is.
Wait a second The whole argument here is invalid. They say it's "default" yet when you set up the Xbox One the first time it ASKS you which you prefer and EXPLAINS what it does. People can choose. I think the instant on is worth the whole 10 bucks difference in my electric bill per year. Man, slow news day?
Wasn't there an article about the same thing last week? This is getting ridiculous now
True, the default is to use the most energy, but during X1 setup you are given a clear description of the options and you get to choose. If you blindly push ok, that is your stupidity.
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