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How Will Next Gen Ports Be Handled?

Before much was known of the Xbox 360, the Wii and the PS3, it was generally assumed that porting across the three platforms would be much easier than on previous consoles because they would most likely be pretty similar in terms of features and performance. How times have changed.

Last generation it was still relatively easy to handle multi platform ports with all three consoles having roughly the same basic capabilities at least in terms of features, with only the Xbox's "Live" online networking system really separating it from the Gamecube and PS2. Developers generally aimed for the lowest common denominator (the PS2) and worked from there, this time things look to be a little different. (PS3, Wii, Xbox 360)

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Monolith  +   3111d ago
Eh
I just cant wait for GTA and PS3
Marriot VP  +   3111d ago
Eh
I just cant wait for GTA and 360
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
me neither
ps3willrule   3111d ago | Spam
ps3willrule  +   3111d ago
i know that but..
it doesn't even seem that way every one of those games is the exact same with features and everything
ps3willrule  +   3111d ago
i mean for ps2 and x-box hopefully that changes
GrimFang4  +   3111d ago
Eh
I just cant wait for SSB and Wii

I have the feeling that companies like EA will do the same "lowest common denominator" approach even though the article says this won't happen. EA is not very heavy on the graphics and effects, so why wouldn't they say "This is good enough" and start with the Wii then port to the others? I mean, if you look at games like Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and such from EA, these are not the best graphics that Xbox, PS2, and GC can do. Why expect everyone to use the full power of the new systems when they haven't tapped out the current systems? This is especially true when they want to make money.
PS3Lord   3111d ago | Spam
ps3willrule  +   3111d ago
tru tru
actually i know ps3 lord sounds like a fan boy but its true MS is already compressing games oblivion got cut short....jus wait till second gen games..can only get worse.
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
um no
ps3 will rule and ps3 lord is the same person. So hey asshole you aint slick. Also doesnt matter if oblivion is being compressed.Procedural synthesis which is a compression technique that microsoft invented is used in Oblivion and not only does it compress games but it makes graphics better which is why oblivions trees look so realistic.
PS360PCROCKS  +   3110d ago
not tru tru, oblivion is a boring game anyways
PS360PCROCKS  +   3110d ago
well atleast to me it is.
GrimFang4  +   3110d ago
Cut short?
Are they really reaching the limit of the disks? Is that what you're saying? I don't think I've seen any evidence to that. The new format seems sorta unnecessary right now.
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
No
It depends on ho much content. Oblivion has alot of content which is why it got compressed with procedural synthesis but procedural synthesis helps the quality of games which again is why oblivions trees look so realistic.
ps3willrule  +   3110d ago
actually it is tru
look it up on google microsoft compressing games u'll see but ur a fanboy so what ever..
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
no ur a fanboy
Oblivion is the only game that got compresed ass.
Lucidmantra  +   3110d ago
I also remember an article that says 50 GB will not be needed until not ps3 but ps4 because of the rate at which game sizes rise. Ill get you a link if you cant google for that article since you like to google.
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
Exactly. Good post
GrimFang4  +   3110d ago
Compression
Well I'll check it out, but I don't see how anything I've said indicates me as being a fanboy. I also don't see why that is such a commonly occuring insult(?) around here.
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
actually
ps3willrule is just an asshole. Pay him no attention.
PS360PCROCKS  +   3110d ago
yeah they compress it, but only to keep it on one disk, it doesn't in anyway harm the game, so wheres the merit? stop trying to get yourself an advantage because u have a BR drive
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
a slow ass blu-ray drive at that and THE ONLY GAME that got compressed was oblivion but 360rocks said it doesnt harm the quality of the game soooooooooo stop sayin bs ps3willrule.
ps3willrule  +   3110d ago
u guyz r idiots!! u don't think that hurts quality...hmmmmm compression in a game wtf do u think that means they cut out story content no....they cut out the AI and Physics and yes maybe they'll b a little more jaggies...y u ask..because the dvd can only hold so much information graphics doesn't take that much information beleive it or not physics and AI do and that is what u call gameply folks i am speaking the truth seriosly. it depends they said they compressed it but in reality its either the AI or physics and it may not seem much cause it turned out good but it could have been alot better if say yes it were on a blu ray because then they could fit all the AI code and information on to it. u'll see in the next year or so... wait till gta lol
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
um no ass
Over the course of its life, the size of the average Xbox title increased by 77%. If the Xbox 360 size increases at the same rate we can expect the average Xbox 360 title in 4 or 5 years to be around 7.40 gigs, and to occupy about 87% of the disc's capacity.

Additionally, you'd find that size is not an indicator of quality, either in graphical quality or storyline. No one would accuse Doom 3 of being worse looking than Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, but it's almost 3 gigabytes smaller (Terminator 3: 5.67 gigs; Doom 3: 2.957 gigs). Half-life 2, for example, is only 2 gigabytes.

Large games may simply be the result of poorly optimized programming, not an indication that they couldn't be smaller if they had to be, and still deliver the same experience.

SO STFU
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Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
part 2 ass
• XNA:

XNA is a development tool that Microsoft introduced in 2004. XNA helps developers build games more quickly and more efficiently. XNA represents a refinement of everything that has been learned developing for the Xbox, which has an architecture that is very similar to the Xbox 360. As a new development tool, it represents a change in the way that game developers might program, and how it impacts on filesize is an unknown factor.
• Procedural Synthesis:

Procedural synthesis is has a great deal of potential to effect the Xbox 360's filesizes. In short, procedural synthesis is a way of producing graphics that Microsoft has pushed heavily with the introduction of the Xbox 360, including specific hardware functions designed to do handle procedural synthesis. It uses algorithms to produce high quality graphics out of extremely small files. For the best example of what procedural synthesis can do, check out .kkrieger, which means Warrior in German. This first person shooter is built almost entirely from procedural graphics, and as a consequence occupies about 96 Kilobytes of space. Yes, the game responsible for this screenshot here, here, and here could fit almost 14 copies on an old-fashioned 1.4 megabyte floppy disk.

You can download a beta version of this game from the developer's website here, but be warned that it's fairly buggy, and meant more as a technology demonstration than anything else.

Procedural synthesis is the reason that Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has such brilliant forests. Oblivion makes use of a technology called SpeedTree, a middleware product for procedurally generating forests and foliage. You can see other examples of their software in screenshots here, here, and here.

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PS3Lord   3110d ago | Spam
GrimFang4  +   3110d ago
Yep
I don't see any reference to Oblivion losing anything from its compression, just as the word "compression" implies. Here's a good article if you can handle anyone saying good things about the 360: http://www.gamesfirst.com/?...

In short, I could write a game that takes up multiple Blue-Ray disks. Professional game devs are supposedly better than me at writing games. They won't waste their space like me, especially if Microsoft is giving them tools that save the space for them.
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
see 15.1 and 15.2
ps3willrule  +   3110d ago
what tools the only tools there given them is a dvd 9 drive and even if they layer the fuk outta that dvd 9 will run slower if layered ur arguments are useless u guyz are all ignornant to facts...like a post which shows ps2 outselling 360... i bet a wall could be white and u people would argue the wall is black.
GrimFang4  +   3110d ago
Tools
XNA and Procedural Synthesis. They're development tools. If you know anything about game dev, you'll know that the DVD drive or any storage medium is not a development tool.
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
see 15.1 and 15.2
Optimus Prime  +   3110d ago
ps3willrule
why are you here, get to your own site. i forgot, there is no info on the delaystation. everyone complains over there that 360 fans are on their site, look at your fools here. you guys are so into the 360, just BUY ONE!
PS3 Owns All  +   3110d ago
LMFAO! 360 fans are sad!
Hey Everyone check this out. LMFAO! Its a funny song for such sad 360 fan's lives> http://www.youtube.com/watc...
The PS3 will RULE
PS3Lord  +   3110d ago
dude that vid. soo awsome... ahhah
I love that Vid.. ahhaha soo cool man... Prop to you for posting it... hahaha ahha SOoo true.. that vid. is soo true.. ahhaha look at the sadd pathetic 360 fans... ahahhahha
TheMART  +   3110d ago
Ah yeah if you liked that video watch this one also it rocks!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
slugg  +   3110d ago
Back to the matter of game ports....
Many developers have already stated that due to the high cost of next-gen game development, they will have to make their games on 360 and PS3 both to get any profit. The cool thing for 360 gamers is that since the 360 is already out, and it is easier to develop for, most devs use the 360 as the lead platform, then port assets over to the PS3. MOST DUAL-PLATFORM GAMES WILL LOOK AND PLAY THE SAME. In the article they mention a couple of differences between the two systems that might come into play: PS3's all having hard-drives, blu-ray vs. DVD 9 capacity, and the (limited) motion-sensing capabilities of the PS3. But all three of these differences will be negated by the fact that most multi-platform games will be developed on th3 360 FIRST. For example, Assassin's Creed = PS3 timed exclusive, on 360 eventually, but being developed on 360 dev-kits RIGHT NOW. That is why it was running on one at E3== all art assets will be the same, etc., so moving it to PS3 after the game is feature-complete on 360 is easier than developing on PS3 from the get go. Most game developers don't even have final ps3 dev kits yet, for CRYING OUT LOUD! One last note-- because of this, if the rumors and speculation about PS3 are true, and it ends up being under-powered, delayed, etc., it would be a bad thing FOR ALL GAMERS because direct ports, from 360 to PS3 or vice versa, would be a lot harder, and the platform receiving a port in that situation would probably get a crappier version.
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
Exactly
PS3 Owns All  +   3110d ago
OMG! It's the invasion of the X Bugs!
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
make sure u read the posts! LMFAO!
PS360PCROCKS  +   3110d ago
wow it must be a boring life without a good gaming console if that's what you watch to entertain yourselves.
ps3willrule  +   3110d ago
it doesn't matter how professional u r in the end u can only max out a dvd so much until you have to cut some AI or physics...honeslty just watch give it a year or so at least..the hardware for 360 is good inside and a dvd was a really wrong move because all the processors and gizmo's can outperform the dvd jus like the ps3 the only reason they stuck a dvd in there is to get it out first befor anyone now they are going to pay the price....MS is coming out with an hd dvd add on though ....way to screw them over bill spendin more money cause u were to cheap in the beginnin....but anyway there are comming out with one but guess what MS has stated its not for games its for movies....YA FUKIN RITE....they r going o b usin that drive for games WATCH
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
um no ass
Games are barely at the halfway mark and jus because a game comes out later in the life cycle doesnt necessarily mesn more space. As a dev become more familiar with the system they get less sloppy with their code therefore less space on the disc. Only thing blu-ray allows is lesss work for devs so they can be sloppy with there code which is the least sony can do with their difficult ass system. Also micrsoft is arguably the best software maker in the world and I'm sure with methods like procedural synthesis which compresses game data but increases quality of graphics(which is why oblivions forests look so realistic) and as software only gets better DVD9will ve sufficient. Also the Bethesda team will be more familiar with the 360 and their code will take up even less space. sry sony fanboy
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
um no again ass
All you do is speculate. HD DVD wont be for games. And microsoft wasnt too cheap to add HD-DVD especially considering microsoft is richest company in the world. Besides MS doesnt force unproven hardware on consumers (HDDVD and Bluray) like sony does. If HD DVD wins you and alot more people like yourself are going to be looking dumb ass hell and I and people like myself will be laughin there asses off.
GrimFang4  +   3110d ago
DVD Performance?
I don't see the relevance of DVD performance. A Blu-Ray drive will function just as fast as a DVD drive (or a CD-ROM drive for that matter) and no faster unless the discs are reinforced (shattering stinks). So these "gismo's" that you talk about have no dependency on the disk drive.

Microsoft didn't make a choice to stick with DVD. Sony made the choice to go forward and risk with a new format. Until the format war is over, I wouldn't buy either an HDDVD or Blu-Ray drive.
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
see 15.1 and 15.2
ps3willrule  +   3110d ago
that how to be the most stupidist comment i've heard in a long time i knew there was people like you somewhere but u've just proved it....LMAO BEST SOFTWARE COMAPNY they know how to compress and there not sloppy WHERE THE FUK IS VISTA THEN SMART ONE....OOOOOOOO thats right it got delayed ya they really know how to work on software tho...rite stfu until u kno what ur talking about.....programmers get sloppy...are u retarded seriously were u dropped as a baby.....more space does not make them sloppy its call compnay standards and expectaions...more content makes a game better not more sloppy....plz jus shoot urself unless u know what ur talkin about...go play ur 360 o wait u have to fell better by coming on here makin he stupidist points i ever heard.
PS3Lord  +   3110d ago
Hey go read this.
http://www.avland.co.uk/pio...

http://www.avland.co.uk/blu...

http://www.avland.co.uk/blu...

http://www.avland.co.uk/blu...

Ok i'm out for today.. ahha I'll be back tomarrow.. hahah
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
see 15.1 and 15.2 dumbass.
ps3willrule  +   3110d ago
hd dvd is losing!!! blu ray has way more support look at any web site!! don't b a retard like most people on this site actually look at information...if u did u'll realize blu ray has all major studios and companys that will build blu rays pretty much all of them....what does hd dvd have there biggest supporter was waner bros. u want to know what ahppened warner bros. is now blu ray and hd dvd....HAHAHA that means all hd dvd companies are going to make blu ray as well....please blu ray is going to win hand down and ps3 is just further proof of y its going to.
slugg  +   3110d ago
HD DVD
is already out. Where is blu-ray? Delayed again, just like the POS3 will be. Betabluray= Sony's demise as a company. HA HA.
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
see 15.1 and 15.2 dumbass
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
Over the course of its life, the size of the average Xbox title increased by 77%. If the Xbox 360 size increases at the same rate we can expect the average Xbox 360 title in 4 or 5 years to be around 7.40 gigs, and to occupy about 87% of the disc's capacity.

Additionally, you'd find that size is not an indicator of quality, either in graphical quality or storyline. No one would accuse Doom 3 of being worse looking than Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, but it's almost 3 gigabytes smaller (Terminator 3: 5.67 gigs; Doom 3: 2.957 gigs). Half-life 2, for example, is only 2 gigabytes.

Large games may simply be the result of poorly optimized programming, not an indication that they couldn't be smaller if they had to be, and still deliver the same experience.

• XNA:

XNA is a development tool that Microsoft introduced in 2004. XNA helps developers build games more quickly and more efficiently. XNA represents a refinement of everything that has been learned developing for the Xbox, which has an architecture that is very similar to the Xbox 360. As a new development tool, it represents a change in the way that game developers might program, and how it impacts on filesize is an unknown factor.
• Procedural Synthesis:

Procedural synthesis is has a great deal of potential to effect the Xbox 360's filesizes. In short, procedural synthesis is a way of producing graphics that Microsoft has pushed heavily with the introduction of the Xbox 360, including specific hardware functions designed to do handle procedural synthesis. It uses algorithms to produce high quality graphics out of extremely small files. For the best example of what procedural synthesis can do, check out .kkrieger, which means Warrior in German. This first person shooter is built almost entirely from procedural graphics, and as a consequence occupies about 96 Kilobytes of space. Yes, the game responsible for this screenshot here, here, and here could fit almost 14 copies on an old-fashioned 1.4 megabyte floppy disk.

You can download a beta version of this game from the developer's website here, but be warned that it's fairly buggy, and meant more as a technology demonstration than anything else.

Procedural synthesis is the reason that Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has such brilliant forests. Oblivion makes use of a technology called SpeedTree, a middleware product for procedurally generating forests and foliage. You can see other examples of their software in screenshots here, here, and here.

PWNED

PS SERECT aahahhahhhahaah
PS360PCROCKS  +   3110d ago
good post
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
Thankyou
ps3willrule  +   3110d ago
thats great and all but ps3 has better technology which makes it better..so have fun with your speed tree tring to compete with PS2 LMFAO while the rest of the 75% gaming market which is sony's goes play the ps3 .
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
So in other words you have nothing to say because your ass was just proven wrong and that you are a dumbass you had no idea what you are talking and i made you look like an ass. o ok i got it
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ps3willrule  +   3110d ago
they can't even beat a last gen console its pethitic even if they can't spell i think its more pethetic for a biggest company in the world coming out with a new console gettin owned by a old one!
GrimFang4  +   3110d ago
Old vs. New
It'd be funny if the PS2 kept outselling the PS3...
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
yea ok we will seee who gets outsold dis holiday.
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Qofthedead  +   3110d ago
All Sony fans!
To clear up everything for you, check sonys stock vs microsofts stock. Sonys stock is and has been slowly falling.With the release of the PS3 it will likely drop more.
Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
Interesting................... .... I wonder how much more can it drop.
Qofthedead  +   3110d ago
spelling
uh hum...so PS3will rule,Microsoft cant spell? Stop for a brief moment and understand that you my friend also cannot spell... ***pathetic
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Jay da 2KBalla  +   3110d ago
also take note of this:

SERECT ahahahhahahahhhahaha
Schmitty07  +   3110d ago
PS3will rule, PS3Lord, and PS3 Owns All
You are ssj04, and we all know it. I hope your IP gets banned from here because all you do is start arguements. YOU SUCK!
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