Pixel Dynamo looks at a comparison of Shadow of Mordor running on the PS4 and a $350 PC and poses the question: does this mean something for gaming, or just tech-enthusiasts?
woah awesome ill just buy this instead and play bloodbourne on it! oh wait...
Ugh... every platform has good exclusives, whether or not you're interested in them is a different story but that doesn't nullify the ones that exist.
you are right, i miss understood your comment at first, but still, i only commented because i find these type of articles pointless
@jon1234 I don't see them pointless when people still think you need a $1k+ PC to game on, granted this build does not include a OS and is not something I'd personally recommend ($500ish with OS) but it just shows you want you can do on a pretty low budget if you're willing to dig for deals.
The article is pointless because thougg it is a $350 pc, they are second hand parts. I'm not gonna bother Google the price of it all, but the cpu, gpu, and motherboard all brand new come out between 500 to 600 dollars. I get it, it's second hand and all, but that be like saying I got my ps4 for christmas, I paid nothing so a pc can't compete (dumb statement, but it goes along the lines) Anyway, enjoy the platform you want to, no need for people to get all over a flame war about which is better. I have a high end rig, yet I enjoy console gaming more cause it feels at home with me. Does that make it inferior? Of course not, just preferences
I agree with you. However, PC has way more quality exclusives than all consoles combined.
@Nitrowolf2 Yeah, I was looking for the specs in the article and couldn't find them, saw them under the YouTube video, and everything is 2nd hand, the CPU & GPU alone are $300 new and that's searching for a deal. To get a solid, contemporary, NEW gaming PC that's more powerful than the PS4 and XBO, and expect it to last you the next 6 - 7 years than you're going to spend around $500 (half the price of this rumored $1,000 that's been going on for far too long, and only $100 more than the PS4).
this pc is awesome!...said no pc gamer EVER! seriously, why are we still on this topic? who really buy a pc "just" to match the PS4? like SERIOUSLY!
Its about the games. It doesnt really matter which platform costs how much. Pc can cheaper than console or it can be a mid range pc costing 500-800 usd or it can be 5000 usd quad sli monster. Pc is ver flexible in that matter. However when it comes to games. Consoles hardly have any games. Meanwhile even that 350usd pc has about 30 year of bc backing it up. Hence when it comes to the games there is no contest. Pc wins hands down.
Yeah thats cool but I do have an issue with used parts. Can anyone comment on their experience?
@Rodel "Pc has way more quality exclusives" Well thats a first. X'D PC has the most shovelware! LOL
This article is just plain invalid. Why call it $350 when it's not $350 for anybody that will try to duplicate this? Doesn't include OS and they use used parts. This is easier said than done. What about all the time you are spending on scavenging for parts on ebay and bothering your friends for parts? lol! checkout the specs of the potato Masher below. That's definitely not only $350. $220 GTX 760, using the best price on google shop $50 Motherboard, I couldn't even find so if you tried to buy it you couldn't $185 CPU, which is the cheapest i5 desktop version I can find $20 Ram, giving them the benefit out of the doubt I couldn't find cheaper than $25 but for a good deal you can get it for $20 $20 HDD, Didn't see anything for under $30 but if you shop for discounts $20 Case $20 PSU $20 Cooler They didn't even list a PSU. So with my good deal considerations I was only able to get this PC build $555 and then when you put windows 8 on this then that will bring it up to $630(no tax included yet!). So you got a $630 rig competing against a $400 PS4. That's not a fair comparison. And also PS4 will be optimized a lot better through out this generation. This $600 PC will decline faster in the next 2 years. The Potato Masher: i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz Asus H55 LGA 1150 motherboard 4GB DDR3 memory GTX 760 320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD Cooler Master Wavemaster Case Arctic Silver Freezer 7 cpu cooler
Lol @ this article. Buys second hand parts and doesn't have OS. You know what, i bought a PS4 second hand for 175 from a friend in need.
If it was not for games coming out on ps4 n X1 the pc would have junk games,..all the best games on pc are ports from consoles,...it's always been like that!!!! Yeah they a hand full of games comes to pc n not console...pc guys should think consoles guys for buying enough systems for them to see the worth of making a 5 million dollar game
@Utalkin2me Used PS4 for 175 from a friend "in need"? Man...I think you're royally ripping him off. Gamestop would be proud LOL!
Build a $350 PC that will compete with The Order, and I'll perk my ears up. (The benefits of a console include fixed hardware.)
@mikeslemonade Oh right, the PSU! I knew I was forgetting something when I was mocking this incomplete rig. What a joke.
@Vegamyster The os arugument is silly i might buy one OS in 10 years and build like 5 PC's off the one OS i bought. I buy new consols way before i buy new OS for my PC i just reuse the one i have untill windows stop supporting it. Or a really good version of a new direct x comes out.
@awi5951 Where can I buy this copy of Windows that allows "5" legal installs?
@SilentNegotiator I have the disk and the code i paid for it so i will put it on my pc when ever i feel like rebuilding my pc. It's fair use and the fact you have to bring up legal crap is just you pulling at straws. I'm not buying a new copy of windows each time i rebuild my pc you tard lol.
As many have called it, most of the stuff was bought used. Also, no OS was listed. Pro-PC need to accept the fact it is IMPOSSIBLE to build a new comparable PC to the PS4 (or Xbox One) for less than their respective values. Maybe in a couple more years, but by then it will be irrelevant because the consoles will have dropped in price making it all but impossible again (better luck with a $100-$200 build /s) until the next generation. It's a vicious cycle. Processor, Video Card, and Motherboard alone are going to kill near all of your $350-400 budget, this is not including case, power supply (sometimes included with the case), drives, memory, any coolers and fans that may be needed, and lastly the OS (this ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS gets passed over on budget builds because it is always the bit NO ONE thinks about until last minute). Yes, you could reuse an old license of Windows from an older machine, but (1) if this is a persons first attempt or their copy of Windows is too old (eg. XP or Vista) they don't have that option and (2) OEM versions of Windows (system-builder licenses) activate ONCE to the motherboard meaning if the motherboard is changed you are going to be in for a headache of a support phone call with Microsoft to reset the activation key or you are going to end up cracking (read ILLEGAL) your copy of Windows to force OEM activation. Consoles will always have the price and ease of use edge over PCs. Yes you get make a PC that will get much higher end graphics, but you also pay more for that luxury. For console owners, the graphics they are getting for $350-$400 as well as the ease of putting the game in and knowing it will play is more than acceptable.
I can't tell you how disappointed I was to see that the parts were used and it didn't include OS.I was ready to shell out the money and buy it right now, and probably spend an additional $100 letting the pc place up the street put it together for me... I had it all planned out. smh. Well back on the hunt for a good pc in my budget.My current gaming laptop can't handle pCars and GTA v.
This is stupid because a used ps4 doesnt cost 400$ either. This pcs equivalent with a ps4 wont be able to play the top games in 5 years, but consoles tend to look better every year. Most of all, people didn't just choose the ps4 or any console for the price, or they would pick up a 360 or play iphone games. There are a lot of reasons why i like the ps4 over pc and i only keep my pc slightly game ready for civ and total war.
@awi5951 Pulling at straws? You're stealing the OS (Yes, piracy is stealing; you're partaking of a service with a value without paying for it). You don't see articles claiming that Ps4s are "free" because you can steal them.
@SilentNegotiator I paid for the product its not piracy you child. IF i take my engine out of my car and put it in another its totally legal. Software isnt special it doesnt have special protection under the law they will loose that argument in court everytime. It's mine i bought it and i can use it how i see fit and if you live in Europe its legal for you to even resale it.
@awi5951 He is assuming you are also still running the OS on those older machines, which IS ILLEGAL. Each key is licensed for use on only ONE machine at any given point in time. However, as long as the other installations are erased or non-functional, then you can legally reuse your product key on another machine (as long as it is not a system-builder license like I mentioned - there are issues reactivating those since they link to the motherboard on activation). Retail Windows product keys are the best because they have ZERO of the caveats of other licenses (such as System-Builder/OEM, KMS, trials/Dreamspark, etc.). You can reactivate a Retail Key an infinite number of times as long as there is only ONE instance of that key "active" at any given point in time. So if you have two machines using the same product key and they perform a "check-in" in a similar time window, Microsoft will flag the key as non-Genuine until one of the two "active" systems is killed (stops checking in) or another valid (non-conflicting) product key is entered.
Or you can buy a ps4 and play Star Citizen and 30 other exclusives on it today, not to mention mods. to each his own.
Really Star Citizen? Or how about LOL or Heartstone. Most console players could care less about those types of games. Im a avid PC gamer and i cant stand those type of games. But games like Uncharted and such is liked by most gamers and is open to a wider audience.
That super ambitious MMO being developed by an unproven developer, in alpha with fairly clunky controls? That game is getting a LOT of hype considering its current stage of development and brand new development team.
Every platform has their exclusives. Get off it.
This thread isn't even about exclusives, it's about price and power. exclusives were brought into the picture just to deviate.
@DevilOgreFish It's about price and power huh? First of price and power mean nothing if you cant run it with a OS. Secondly i got a PS4 for 175 from second hand from a friend. So the second hand PC still looses out.
Ahh, another "just as strong as consoles for the same or lower price" rig? Let me guess... No OS price included, no input devices (kb/m), a low amount of DDR3 RAM, tiny HDD... Oh boy, I can't wait to play games on my computer that has no input to interact with the non-existant operating system, hoping that my cheap RAM is enough for all of the games I want to play in the next 5 years and that all of my games don't fill up the harddrive. Do yourself a favor if you want to build a PC: Don't listen to elitists trying to tell you BS that you can build a cheaper rig than the consoles. They're fanboys trying to sell a story that simply isn't true. Even the idea that PC gaming is cheaper over a period of time is ignoring the facts that PSN/XBL come with features and a unified online platform which is part of why you pay for the online, console games go on sale also (and can actually be bought/sold used), etc. PC gaming is a little more expensive and that's okay; you're not going to add good will to PC gaming by starting new users off with a completely dishonest rig that costs at LEAST $100 more than you make it out to be.
Exactly, I have yet to hear from single person that built one of these "budget do it yourself as good as a console" PCs that validated the claims and is happy with the experience. It's as if everyone of these types of articles is nothing but theoretical gaming/computing. Nothing is ever proved, it's just e-peen waving and it's always coming up well below average size.
That's because turd rigs like these are shown off by people rich enough to waste $300+ making a rig that they will never use more than once (and only to say "look what I can do!").
PC gaming has higher startup cost. Even higher if you live outside of US and if you don't want to build one, which the majority (see: the mass market) doesn't want to do. PC just has cheaper games. But if you have the money, I see no reason not to get a PC.
You can get powerful parts off ebay for dirt cheap and build a pc easy to destroy consoles. You can buy a 2 year warranty on the parts from ebay so you would be covered. I got dual R9 280x cards off ebay for 260 dollars instead of buying a console and they max any game on ultra. I dont regret it at all.
You can buy used consoles (and also games) and purchase an overpriced warranty for them, too. This article's premise is still BS.
@SilentNegotiator A used console wont give you anywhere near the power. Even 5 year old graphics cards beat consoles now and they can be bought for under 100 dollars now. It happens every generation why dont console people learn. I bought both consoles at launch last gen and my 130 dollar graphics card blew both of them out of the water. You can get cheap graphics cards that make consoles look like crap it happens every generation. My silly little 4870 1gb i bought destroyed both my ps3 and xbox 360 in frame rates and graphics detail by far and it was dirt cheap. Games like bad company 2 ran maxed out and at 90fps @ 1080P. Fallout 3, dragon age, it wasnt even close i played any multiplatform game on pc because it looked so much better and had great draw distances. It's the same now a cheap pc card still destroys consoles even today. And the card that destroys console right now for cheap is the R9 270 and its only $150 dollars. Check the benchmarks consoles cant compete. This happens every generation console just lags behind and pc parts keep dropping in price. http://www.newegg.com/Produ...
If you add in the extras, and a better video card, b/c, why wouldn't you, you are looking at $500-$60₩, which by no means is a bad price for a PC that can run games well, but... Then you will want more. You will want better. Trust me. I bought one, and you just keep spending money. You are not going to be satisfied. And PC gaming is awesome...for sure. But, I didn't buy my PS4 to be a replacement. I bought the PS4 b/c it is what it is. I don't ever add to it or spend more. My friends play there and the exclusives are huge. Now, PC is amazing b/c it has great games and exclusives also. It has mods, steam etc. Pricing is better. But, it's an addition thing, in order to get the most out of gaming. Honestly, I buy for the games...and to try and not go broke. PC gaming g is expensive no matter what anyone tells you...if you are anything like me.
@joab777 Pc gaming is only expensive for you because you dont know what you are doing. Anyone that rebuilds their pc every year or two knows you can make a profit off your parts by reselling them on ebay and then buying new parts. Pc parts go up in price when they get old and they do so very quickly. Last year i sold a old 4870x2 i had just laying around for $ 285. I sold some old DDR 1 or 2 memory from a old dell i had for 100 bucks. Because people have old pc's they need to upgrade and the parts are no longer sold and you can make a killing. My dual 7850's i sold last year got like 200 bucks for those. I sold my old cpu for 130 a brand new one was only 30 dollars more. I sold all my old ram and bought faster better ram and more of it. I even sold my old motherboard and that is something i would never buy used but people do it. To sum it up "I NEVER HAVE TO SPEND MY MONEY ON UPGRADES." Because i'm doing it right. I do upgrade all the time and im never happy but im not blowing my money i get my money back and then some and buy new parts. In the last year ive changed out every part of my pc. But all the money came from hundreds of dollars of ebay sales off old parts. I've sold over $1000 dollars in the last year on ebay from old computer parts. That was plenty of money to trick out my new PC.
@joab777 Oh and i'll let you in on the process lol. When my item sales on ebay and the money is deposited. I have a 2 to 3 day processing time on the order. I buy the new part ship it in during that time period pull the old part when the new one comes in then I ship it out. I don't even have to go one minute without my pc, upgrade complete lol.
How will u play this on ps4? https://m.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watc... You do relizes not everyone wantd bloodbourne right? How will i play the most ambitions game of all time? Star citizen. While your hyped for sonys 10,000 3rd person exclusive that is basically more of what everyone just played called dark souls? Listen man dx12 and multi gpu unified memory is coming.. Time to drop ps4 and jump into next gen. If people were shifting from last gen consoles to pc I can't imagine how fast they will switch from 800p ps4 in few years. https://www.youtube.com/wat... Loool 2010 gpu > ps4 console apu. Can't wait for hellblade, sf5, fable, no mans sky on pc. With free multiplayer on a service that goes down less than psn and free backwards compatibility(pcNow).
I'm a PC guy all the way. But your comment is just full of trollish nonsense.
"How will u play this on ps4? ...You do relizes not everyone wantd bloodbourne right?" You do realize that this article is making the argument that this incomplete rig "competes" with the Ps4, right? Pointing out that it doesn't have the same games is perfectly valid criticism of this bs rig that was clearly built to suggest "you don't need a Ps4 when you can get this!"
God will this comparing ever stop? The thing is - IT DOESN'T MATTER. Everyone has their preferences. If I drive a Ford Mustang Fastback and someone buys and restores a 68' Dodge Charger for the same price it won't make me change my mind, cause I PREFER what I already have invested into.
The Author is either trolling or plain naïve. A $350 build with an GTX760? On ebay the cheapest i could find still had a price tag of $110? Unless he got half of the components gifted to him, the est. $350 cost is complete bullshit. And i have my doubts that an old 2009 quadcore has enough power for 4K. Is he saying that i5 750 has enough CPU juice to run games at 4K? There are newer cpus on the market, newer than the 750 that have troubles to maintain 30fps at 4K....
Linustechtips just did a 300 dollar build and he was able to build 2 computers for that. One with a R9 290 and one with a 7870. And they both performed well on high settings.
Potato masher master race.
For how long will the 350$ PC keep up with the console? Console devs find constantly new and better ways to get more out of the hardware and the same can't be said about PC. Not to mention that while Shadow of Mordor looks nice, it's not exactly a benchmark in graphics. Also a good gaming mouse and keyboard can set you back almost half of the price of the PC and a nice graphics card costs at least as much as the whole PC.
DX 12 promises a more to the metal experience for developers to be able to push more out of the graphics and CPU hardware thus it counters your non optimizations on PC. Not only that but drives are constantly updated for PC to be able to give the best experience out of every game in relation to all the unique hardware. Furthermore, PC isn't just for gaming. You can do a hell of alot more than you can on console but I am not going to list it all.
Actually the same can be said for PC, Mantle, technology like MFAA, DX12 and mods ect improve performance. https://www.youtube.com/wat... Unless it's a high budget exclusive you're not going to have all devs use the most out of each consoles hardware, games look/perform better than other games all the time and typically if one platform has issues the others do as well. Believe it or not you don't need to spend a ton on M&KB to game efficiently. http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/... http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/... GPU wise you can get a 750 Ti for under $150 and it's pretty much compatible with any tower and it's performance has been very close to what the PS4 offers, Digital Foundry & Benchmarks are proof.
The illusion that PCs lose their edge over the generation is because the industry standard slowly rises until a certain PC can no longer max out a game, then you have to lower a setting or two. But the inconvenient truth is usually that the console version was never equivalent to PC max settings to begin with and already had those 'settings' lowered. As a proof of concept, the good old 8800gt GPU came out in 2006 to compete with the PS3 and xbox 360. To this date it will play any game available on both (lastgen)console and PC, with equivilant framerate, resolution and settings, if not better. Evidence to back this claim up can be found on youtube by searching any multiplat game of your choice, Battlefield 4 and farcry 3 good examples.
No the R9 270 runs almost all games on ultra for 150. And it most definitely runs them all on High at 60fps+ @ 1080p and that's beyond what ps4 and xbox 1 can do. With better textures and AA turned on.
What a bargain and you don't have the order to deal with win win.
You also don't have Bloodborne to deal with. Uncharted 4 to deal with. Persona 5 to deal with. Rime to deal with. Infamous to deal with. LittleBIGPlanet to deal with. Tearaway to deal with. Ratchet and Clank to deal with. Until Dawn to deal with. God Of War to deal with. It's such a great time to be a PC only gamer. s/
Steam has a answer for everyone of those games. And that's just steam not counting all the other games that are sold on pc. Pc games just dont spend all their money on marketing like consoles game makers do. My steam library is so large im embarrassed by it lol.
Enjoying yourself? Why are you here? What was the reasoning behind you joining this community? Was there ever a time that you actually wanted to discuss the topic at hand without trolling? Man... OT: I admit that PC gaming intrigues me but I get cold feet just because it seems kind of daunting, though it probably isn't. I do know that if I do take up PC gaming as well, it won't be via this route. I'd like to build something quality that I know will be viable for some time. I'd want all of the benefits that PC gaming provides. Open hardware, Steam, mods, and graphical capabilities greater than what consoles provide, not equal to.
The Console Master Race owns PC face!!!
The PS4 is not tough to beat. It's a good enough console but PCs are geared for things beyond just gaming. I mean how long would it take the ps4 to process some demanding video edits and such, if it could? People sure like to talk about exclusives assuming that everyone on PC wants them. The Xbox exclusives are coming on PC slowly but surely and I will admit that the PS does have some really good ones also but so does the PC such as civilization and we can also play the old games and not have to have two separate consoles. Although I can appreciate the consoles for what they are, I would rather use that money to improve my PC.
"It should be kept in mind that this “$350″ PC contains used parts, required overclocking and needed an operating system (not to mention a mouse and keyboard) above and beyond its budget." Claim voided. C'mon, man.
This, honestly, every "build article" I see tends to skip stuff like this in order to claim something that's simply not true
You are right. Although a considerable group of people do have free access to win and various old pcs that parts can be used from. Those that are not in the mind set to build a pc are correctly buying a console. Pc building can be a hobby such as wood working etc.
Wow I knew the PS4 was weak, but I didn't think a $350 computer could run a game like Shadow of Mordor at double the framerate! What were Sony and Microsoft thinking? And then Sony have the hide to advertise it as 'the world's most powerful console' like that's some big achievement this gen.
well theyre not really lying, a pc isnt a console
Exactly...Speaks volumes about the consoles power and how in less than 2 years PS4 and Xbox One can be matched or exceeded for a mere 350~400 USD PC. Also, the "console optimization" myth is now null and void due to Mantle and DX12. PC gaming will only get better and less expensive relative to what it was last generation. The PS3 and Xbox 360 were behemoths when the launched, this gen of consoles...Not so much. @jon1234 A PC is a gaming platform and consoles use modified PC parts (X86) so what's your point? @jon1234 My point was that consoles use X86 PC PARTS and a PC is a gaming platform...Your argument was that because PC's arent consoles, they aren't meant for gaming right? A calculator is a computer...It COMPUTES data.
whats your point? a console is not a pc even if it uses an x86
nope that wasnt my point, i was simply stating that when sony claimed their ps4 to be the most powerful CONSOLE, that they really werent lying, they didnt say it was the worlds most powerful gaming platform, because thats obviously not true. now im pretty sure someone might want to argue with me that maybe xb1 is more powerful but thats beside my point.
They purchased used parts. So if they knew somebody that was willing to get rid of a good card for nothing it changes everything. A used 660ti or so would have handled it without an issue. I purchase new graphics cards every 2 to 3 years and normally just give my older ones away to friends and family.
You can't convince me they built a $350 pc using off the shelf parts that can play any newer games at what would be an acceptable resolution and detail level. I have been building pc's for almost 20 years now and it's just not feasible unless you work for a major corporation that gets insane discounts. I do know a guy who works at Cisco Systems which does allow him to get parts for dirt cheap but outside of that I just don't see how it's possible. Just reread the article and noticed they bought used parts and what not which makes this whole article pointless as well as the argument itself.