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Ready at Dawn responds to concern over The Order: 1886 campaign length

Eurogamer:
Last week I had a chat with Ru Weerasuriya, founder, CEO and creative director of Ready at Dawn, to discuss The Order's length after a previous report indicated it could be completed in just a few hours.

"I know there are numbers out there," he said. "I know why the question comes up. I know numbers have been put out there that are actually not right. It's impossible to finish the game in that time, so we know the numbers are wrong.

"At the end of the day, we're not going to comment on it. We can't stop people from writing the things they do. And we're not going to jump at every single mistake that is made out there. Every time somebody has the wrong impression of something we made, or somebody writes the wrong thing about what we did, it would be a full-time job to be like, oh no, that's not right. We make games. We do what we do for the players. And, ultimately, that's where I want to leave it."

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Ballsack1008d ago

Ive never seen a game get so scrutinized in all my life

I think its fear that the opposition has no exclusives for like the first 9 months of 2015 and the ps4 has exclusives spread throughout the year which will probably boost its sales lead even further

Thats my take on the recent hate ps4 exclusives are receiving

Septic1008d ago

"Ive never seen a game get so scrutinized in all my life"

Really? Seems likea gross dramatisation of what's actually happening.

Yeah its getting scrutinized hard but I saw the same thing happen with Ryse (and rightly so) and then Titanfall with its 6 player limit, which people blew out of proportion, especially on here and then the A.I stuff.

"I think its fear that the opposition has no exclusives for like the first 9 months of 2015 "

I think this is just a thinly disguised fanboy statement.

"the ps4 has exclusives spread throughout the year which will probably boost its sales lead even further "

And there you have it.

I do think its unfair on the devs because its obvious some people are misrepresenting the elements of the game, including campaign length but there are some real concerns regarding QTE's and longevity.

bouzebbal1008d ago

Some fair answers he gave there.
I just hope people don't get lured by these trolls. I finished Streets of Rage in 1-1,5hours but it had an amazing replayability. Arkham City can be finished in 5 hours or even less but has an amazing replayability as well as side quests. Other games are super long and you wish they lasted 2 hours just how painful they are to play (Assassin's Creep)...
In the end of the day it's all about the pleasure you get out of the game.

Septic1008d ago

Yeah if I get even 4 hours of incredible memorable and fun gameplay, I'll be happy. But then again, for all the noise people are making regarding lack of content vs price for other games, I hope they don't show double standards regarding this.

Avernus1008d ago

It almost seems a full time job for you defending MS. I swear, if anyone has something remotely negative to say about MS, there you are telling them why their opinion is wrong...like only your opinion matters.

You call people fanboys but I don't think you realize you come off as one as well.

Anyway, you're probably going to go through my past comments in an attempt to call me a fanboy... i honestly don't care. Your whiteknighting is almost as if MS pays you to do it.

OT: Interesting he said it's impossible to finish the game in the times people posted (5 hours?). I was hoping so, but eitherway it would have took me longer since I'll play on hard, so dying is gonna be plentiful.

Septic1008d ago

"You call people fanboys but I don't think you realize you come off as one as well. "

Oh I am aware that I do but I do it in a bid to maintain some sort of 'balance' on here. Why I bother, well I have no idea.

"Anyway, you're probably going to go through my past comments in an attempt to call me a fanboy"

No I'm not. The rest of your statement made it clear that your comment history will make it clear what side of the fence you sit at.

"i honestly don't care. Your whiteknighting is almost as if MS pays you to do it. "

Yeah MS pay me to go on TV and tell people why the PS4 is the better console. Makes complete sense. And that I do rip into them too.

The issue is Sony fanboys on here really cannot stomach any sort of defence against their points. That is all. You just want me to submit to that BS mob mentality and I won't ever do so. So deal with it.

Avernus1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

Actually I kinda wished you did check my comment history. You would see if I had the extra money I would have both consoles and a WiiU, and I'll be laughing at people like you all day.

Fanboys / whiteknights defend these consoles / companies like it's a real life battle for survival.

By all means continue Sir Septic. Be the brightest and bestest whiteknight you can possibly be. Instead of trying to neutralize the situation, just continue to add to the dump...excuse me, comment section.

I'm done. Just wanted to point out you're a fanboy calling people fanboys.

Septic1008d ago

"You would see if I had the extra money I would have both consoles and a WiiU, and I'll be laughing at people like you all day. "

You'd be laughing at people like me all day, those who own all consoles?

"Instead of trying to neutralize the situation, just continue to add to the dump...excuse me, comment section. "

Instead of trying to neutralize the situation? And how did the first poster 'neutralize' any situation? If anything, me drawing attention to the fact that this kind of hate follows all platforms is a better attempt at neutralising than blaming the MS contingent in an insecure fashion and talking about a supposed deficit of games on that platform.

Of course, you wouldn't bother responding to him because his views align with yours and your extremely one-sided approach to all things 'gaming'.

"I'm done. Just wanted to point out you're a fanboy calling people fanboys."

Yeah you're done. I just want to point out that you failed.

thekhurg1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

The differences with Ryse and Titanfall is Sony/Ready @ Dawn never built this game up to be something it wasn't going to be.

Ryse was supposed to be 1080p/30fps, then got downgraded and still failed to maintain acceptable performance levels. Crytek told everyone that they would reduce the QTE, but all they did was change from icons to colors.

Titanfall was touted as the game only possible on the xbox one. Cloud servers and AI - all that awesome stuff. Six player limits basically confused people since other games have been doing that on peer to peer connections. The AI was viewed as a cop-out for cloud processing. Maps were filled with bots to give the illusion of being busy, *most* gamers didn't want them there since people rarely play competitive multiplayer shooters so they can shoot bots.

On the other hand, Ready at Dawn has been upfront and honest about everything regarding this game. They've been saying from the world "go" that this was a story driven game, single player, no multiplayer, cinematic experience, and was going to have quick time events. Hell, one of their first sneak peeks was a look at their branching quick time system where you could choose how the event proceeded by pressing X or Triangle.

I understand you're trying to maintain some silly "balance" but it's an absurd stance to take on the internet. There's no such thing. This gaming generation of fanboy/system wars is probably some of the worst we've seen. The hatred that a lot of gamers have for one another because they got a xbox one or a PS4 is just how things are now.

From the botched console reveal, to the promise of 1080p/60fps, to the promise of cloud, to no sharing games, to "can't flip a switch", to this game is 1080p until we're proven wrong months after release, etc... This has been a messy generation, you can't clean it up.

Gilettehad_1008d ago

Septics blog section:

1st blog: Uncharted 4 - A Visual Downgrade- Deal With It.

2nd blog: Infamous Second Son- The Ugly Side.

(Only blogs he's released on N4G)

----------------------------- -------------------------------

2 articles on his site, just about the black borders on The Order.

Another video called: "Drive Club is a flop, deal with it!"

----------------------------- -------------------------------

The guy admits he looks like a fanboy, but has the nerve to try and give ppl objective comments about games for the PS4. I actually prefer ridiculous fanboys on here compared to you, at least they aren't pretending.

Sadly for you guys this game is going to sell really well, and all the hypocritical comments on the games problems, while never having directed these problems at the games for your own console, will sink.

Balance? Pfft.. You don't know the meaning of the word.

Genuine-User1008d ago

@ Septic, could you possibly elaborate on some of the "real" concerns regarding QTE's and longevity.

Most "concerns" seem like gross dramatization.

"We need variety in our games. As more and more games become about stats and leveling up endlessly while repeating the same thing over and over (online MP games in general, or something like Destiny) we need games that can rediscover just what it's like to have a tailored experience that takes you on an auteurs journey. Gaming can happily accommodate both, but conversely that doesn't mean that all games must accommodate the tendencies of every single gamer out there. Some games will be for you, some won't, and the less we complain about what other people happen to like, the better." - Neogaf Member

Septic1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

@Gilettehad

Firstly, I DID those two blogs:

1. Infamous- I shared a pic from the game and people accused me of purposely misrepresting the game. So what did I do? I made a whole VIDEO showing the issue. Btw, as a side note, I did this on other consoles too and the same issue cropped up.

2. UC4- yes and I stand by my view. Yes its an alpha but I was disappointed in the difference in visuals.

3. I didn't do The Order articles

4. We also have a Halo: TMCC is a failure video coming up. Will that make you happy?

5. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Me at 2:00. Does this sound like a Xbox fanboy to you?

I've done various vids/articles being critical of MS too but you guys have selective amnesia.

@ Genuine-User

@ Septic, could you possibly elaborate on some of the "real" concerns regarding QTE's and longevity. "

Well I haven't played the game yet but the game apparently suffers from throwing too many QTE sections and you can watch the walkthrough video on the main page for yourself. The first 15 minutes are rife with them apparently. I'm not going to spoil my experience by watching the gameplay. I'm due to get the game tomorrow.

Longevity is an issue simply because I feel this could easily be a co-op game and for all the noise made about the price/content value for a game like Evolve, this game, which can be completed in 8 hours or so, its POSSIBLY an issue. Remember, there is no co-op, mp in the game. Once you've completed it, its done and dusted.

Regarding that NeoGaf quote:

" Gaming can happily accommodate both, but conversely that doesn't mean that all games must accommodate the tendencies of every single gamer out there"

I agree. That's why I laugh at those who say on here that MP-only games should not be made. I see so much hypocrisy in that statement from people on here.

Remember, I'm not the one of the guys writing The Order off. Not at all. I'm excited for it, and I'm paying DOUBLE the retail price just to get my hands on a few days early. But like all games, I have the right to be apprehensive or critical of elements of it.

Oh btw, why didn't you lot link this article that I did:

http://www.gameondaily.com/...

StarLord_Who1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

It's really annoying isn't it?

I am on every Order 1886 article attacking both the articles and the people who gush in the comment sections. This webiste is biased, it is so one seided that my body sometime sways physically to the left when i read the comments section.

As an owner of all three consoles, i feel the need to give this biased userbase a more truthful opinion of games nowadays. The best game i have played in the last 5 years is Super Smash Bros Wii U, i bought my Xbox One first because Dead Rising 3 looked more interesting than Killzone Shadow fall at the time and i bought the PS4 so i could play The Order 1886 (ironically) that is how my console journey has been since nov 2013.

The fact of the matter is, most gamers only care about nice looking games, that's all. Rogue Legacy, the new free + gae only has a small amount of reviews on the PS Store because people don't like "games that their phones could run."

I have had problems with 5 games since the new gen launched and all of them have had the same problem.

Ryse: good graphics, boring gameplay.

Infamous SS: Good graphics, boring, predictable story.

Driveclub: Good graphics, yet the "club" part of that game didn't open until 2 months after launch.

AC: Unity: Good graphics, buggy gameplay with an atrocious framerate.

Evolve: good graphics, next to no longevity.

All gamers care about are graphics, when gamers only care about one thing, the company making the games only works hard on that one thing.

Now we have The Order 1886, the graphics are good CHECK, but will that be all, will that game joing the plethora of "style over substance" titles that have failed to please me?

Another would be The Division, that game doesn't sound good, online only isn't an exciting concept for me, online isn't fun, it can be the sole reason for a game's failure, none of that matters though, because it looks nice.

The worst reply i have ever received on this site was "It doesn't matter if you have all three consoles, you still have to be a fanboy for one of them" Why would i troll when it leads to that type of stupidity on a daily basis? lol

Anti-PS4 articles get the most views so no wonder you would post them. I would too because 1000 angry people click and read without failure.

AdaptAndOvercome1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

@ septic

"Well I haven't played the game yet but the game apparently suffers from throwing too many QTE sections and you can watch the walkthrough video on the main page for yourself. The first 15 minutes are rife with them apparently. I'm not going to spoil my experience by watching the gameplay. I'm due to get the game tomorrow."

Even if it suffers from a wide variety of QTE sections, I fail to see how that is a "real" concern. You don't have to play the game if it doesn't fit your play style.

"Longevity is an issue simply because I feel this could easily be a co-op game"

That's just an assumption. I have yet play a great story driven cinemaic co-op game.

"and for all the noise made about the price/content value for a game like Evolve, this game, which can be completed in 8 hours or so, its POSSIBLY an issue."

Sure, it might be an issue for those that find repetition and levelling up to be fun.

"Remember, there is no co-op, mp in the game. Once you've completed it, its done and dusted"

Unless, you like to replay single player campaigns.

"I agree. That's why I laugh at those who say on here that MP-only games should not be made. I see so much hypocrisy in that statement from people on here."

I don't agree with those people either.

"Remember, I'm not the one of the guys writing The Order off. Not at all. I'm excited for it, and I'm paying DOUBLE the retail price just to get my hands on a few days early. But like all games, I have the right to be apprehensive or critical of elements of it."

That's great.

Genuine-User1008d ago

@ septic,

pretty much what AdaptAndOvercome said.

Primal1008d ago

I've been gaming for 25 years and I have never EVER seen so much hate towards any game. Many people are basically furious that it even exists and should be cast to the depths of Hades. Yeah I remember the Ryse QTE articles but not really that much hate and Titanfall was depicted as the second coming of Christ but it got most of its criticisms after it released.

And Sunset Overdrive was given too much credit after it released, people claiming it buried everything on Ps4 despite its 81 on metacritic.

The Order 1886 is the most hated game of all time to the point that I'm started to feel disgusted by all those fanboys and biased media outlets.

Ballsack1008d ago

Septic... It aint no thinly disguised fanboy statement..its MY opinion on a hobby that can no longer be trusted in the hands of journalists due to their hidden agendas and biasness

gangsta_red1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

This is why this site is so hilarious.

@Avernus
"I swear, if anyone has something remotely negative to say about MS, there you are telling them why their opinion is wrong."

And yet right above and below home we get a numerous amount of people defending this game and all things Sony. And if you say anything remotely bad about Sony or it's game you get called a troll and marked for trolling.

But to defend MS, he makes it sound like a bad thing. Even though all Septic was doing was comparing other games that were scrutinized and crapped on just as much as The Order is now.

Defend Sony and it's games...Awesome, high five.

Defend MS and it's games...Boooo, MS pays you.

Then we have this...

"The differences with Ryse and Titanfall is Sony/Ready @ Dawn never built this game up to be something it wasn't going to be."

And what isn't it going to be...because all I see from Sony and [email protected] is it's going to be a fantastic cinematic experience and all their fans are making it seem like the best game ever. The same way other anticipated games are portrayed to the public and on the net.

There's too much downplaying of this game by it's own fans to make it look like it's being unfairly criticized by the media. Like it is a victim of a cruel world and should be left alone.

It's funny that everyone can be critical of other games that didn't have certain features, graphics were good but lacked game options or a game with too many QTE's, but for this one we have to leave it alone.

Septic is right, let's see how many of you will be this forgiving when another long awaited exclusive game comes down the pipeline for another system.

"...on a hobby that can no longer be trusted in the hands of journalists due to their hidden agendas and biasness"

Then we have this gem that I keep seeing more and more. I would really like to know what is this hidden agenda and how will it benefit them in the long run. And what proof is there of a bias? Is it because they don't share your enthusiasm of the same games?

starchild1008d ago

@Gilettehad_ and Avernus

It's funny how much Septic gets under the skin of some of you. You scream "fanboy", but it's just silly.

I'm sure Septic isn't completely free of bias (nobody is), but I've seen his comments for years and he is vastly more fair and impartial than guys like you. He has good things to say about all the platforms and he generally has well-thought-out comments to add to the conversation.

I can't say the same thing for most people on this site who are in fact nearly completely one sided. These people are so biased that anybody that doesn't share their extreme one-sided bias is automatically labeled a fanboy. Every attempt is made to censor and shut up those who don't follow the herd. It's tiring.

4Sh0w1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

You guys either just recently joined n4g or have a very bad case of selective memory. Ryse and Titanfall were beat to death, what's worst many of the often mentioned criticism's like Ryse's QTE's and Titanfall lack of content due to no SP are the very things The Order is being called out for and NOW many of you say its unfair. Nooooo...I didn't agree with much of the criticism of Ryse and Titanfall but they open themselves up to such questioning because of choices *gameplay, *no SP, *QTE's, *gamelength so I understood it, still I enjoyed those games and its up to the individual to decide if they were worthy.

Avernus calls out Septic as MS PR yet Septic sounds more neutral in his response but Avernus says nothing of Ballsack comments bringing up more fanboyish talk about the competition lacking exclusives. lol, couldn't sound more 1 sided if he tried.

thekhurg is spewing more fanboyish recreation of the facts about Ryse and Titanfall. Crytek were never definitive on Ryse resolution saying it will be 1080p at launch, and as far as fps is concerned, many devs have "targeted" 60fps in dev but went lower, remember KZ shadowfall??? Yet, you won't fault those devs, end result of the choice is a game that is still superb and 1 of the best next gen graphics games even still today, plus it has multiplayer....so what is the problem with Ryse but of course The Order is above questioning? Titanfall was hyped because Respawn's past success with COD and it was mixing up the gameplay with Titan's and vertical gameplay, I've played my fair share of Titanfall and no most folks were not against bots being in the game, speak for yourself, both games did what the dev's stated.

lol, you guys attacking Septic for only the negative sony related comments, yet he also makes plenty of negative Microsoft comments, IRONICALLY he sounds a lot more level headed than all of you. Sure the Order has seen some unfair criticism since of course its not out yet but mostly in reference to the game length and QTE's with a gamer playing normally with a full walkthrough available those criticism seem very fair given that EVERY major exclusive is scrutinized. Stop crying, The Order will either prove the criticism right or wrong on its own merits, just like every other game.

DragonKnight1008d ago

Septic man, you're so transparent. You always comment the same way. You get super defensive about the slightest criticism about the Xbox brand in any way, then at the end you try to close with some neutral statement trying to get people to avoid thinking of you as an Xbox fanboy.

It's a good thing you brought up Ryse because that's still the reigning champion of short QTE games but guess what, who the hell cares?

Ryse and Titanfall have not received 1/10th the criticism that this game has. From the day the resolution was revealed, to "why aren't they talking more about it", to beta and demo impressions, to a guy who claimed he beat the game in 5 hours then it was revealed he didn't. The list goes on and on. In fact the only thing in recent history that was talked about more than this was the Xbox One launch itself.

Even Watch Dogs hasn't received the kind of hate this game is getting. That's not a gross exaggeration, that's verifiable fact. Search it up on the site yourself and while you're at it stop acting phony. Everyone can clearly tell you're an Xbox fanboy, that last ditch attempt at neutrality in your comments isn't fooling anyone.

UKmilitia1007d ago

to be fair and honest here.

Ready at Dawn havent said things like what MS,respawn and crytek said.
they was saying alot of lies.

regarding only possible on xb1,resolution and visual drop,qte events .

Ready at dawn have been honest from day 0.

end oif day titanfall was crap and it couldnt run on xb1 because it had screen tearing constantly and other issues.
rise was a decent game imo and The order will be too.
but i cant remember a game getting so much hate from start in last 2 genrations.

Septic1007d ago (Edited 1007d ago )

Ha DragonKnight. Look at the pot calling the kettle black. Please tell me you don't think you're neutral.

There was nothing wrong in my first post. I said the same standard should be applied everywhere as all titles get that kind of hate. But no, in your paranoid world, you couldn't even stomach that.

Why don't you take issue with the plethora of Sony fanboys on here btw? Like the first comment for instance? Of course you don't. Hardly any of you lot did. Thats because you're not fooling anyone. You're transparent trolls who's mind boggling double standards are hilarious. You guys don't even attempt to be neutral. So of course I'm gonna laugh at most of you lot and your inability to come up with a remotely objective response.

Look in the mirror first before accusing others. Yeah I brought up Ryse. And yeah who cares? EVERYONE did hence all the memes and mick taking for months on end. I even said it was justified in that instance.

You say that this games didn't attract 1/10th of the hatred this got. Can you even quantify that statement??

Youre a prime example of a Sony fanboy on here. One who dishes out loads of criticism but can't stomach any kind of one to Sony's beloved platform especially when compared to Microsoft.

Your long crusade on here speaks for itself.

And please don't even try to compare your 'objectivity' to mine. You don't even come close in either sincerity or the ability to even make an objective assessment at all.

DragonKnight1007d ago

@Septic: Never claimed to be neutral, but let me show you something.

http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos... (special)
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

Those are 8 blogs in which I either focus entirely, or partly, on criticizing stupid things Sony has done and the blog marked special is where I praised Microsoft for coming to their senses regarding the Xbox One.

See, I don't pretend. I very clearly prefer Playstation. I very clearly detest Microsoft. I don't write posts where at the last minute I throw in that final neutral statement so I can go "see, I'm neutral and you Xbone fanboys are the worst".

"There was nothing wrong in my first post..."

Right, because crying that Ballsack said "the competition has no exclusives for 9 months" and calling it a "disguised fanboy statement" is perfectly fine and neutral. How did I miss that?

"Why don't you take issue with the plethora of Sony fanboys on here btw?"

A) This is a Sony game isn't it? Wouldn't you expect to see Sony fanboys in this comment thread? Am I supposed to tell every one of them to be careful not to hurt the feelings of Xbox fanboys like you do in Xbox related articles? Oh wait, you don't do that. Instead you call PS fanboys the worst fanboys in existence.

B) Did I even talk about my expectations as to this game? Nope. So what double standards have I employed Septic? Go ahead, I'll wait for you to quote them.

"Look in the mirror first before accusing others."

Read my reply to the first quoted aspect of your comment. I don't pretend, you do.

"You say that this games didn't attract 1/10th of the hatred this got. Can you even quantify that statement??"

Didn't I also say "look it up on this site yourself if you don't believe me"? I'm pretty sure I did. Is it hard for you to type in, say, Titanfall in the search engine, count the negative or overly critical for no reason articles and compare?

"Youre a prime example of a Sony fanboy on here."

Just showed you 8 whole blogs of my Sony criticisms Skeptic. Kinda completely refutes your "you can't take criticism of Sony" claims.

"Your long crusade on here speaks for itself."

This quote paints you as an overexaggerating drama queen Septic.

"And please don't even try to compare your 'objectivity' to mine. You don't even come close in either sincerity or the ability to even make an objective assessment at all."

You alluded to yourself being objective after your pitiful lists of things you don't like about the PS4/Xbox One? I have but one response to that.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Ballsack1007d ago (Edited 1007d ago )

@septic....'fanboy comments like the first for instance'....this coming from a microsoft troll like yourself?....

I own both consoles (XBL ruggeddabawse)..my preference is still the ps4..AND WHAT?

You really think your fooling anyone? Acting like your neutral and calling everyone a fanboy because they are in a SONY thread defending what Has been non stop hate against a game yet to release...

Its easy to throw around the word fanboy..but your in a glass shed son...so let me throw a stone...your a blatant microsoft fanboy hiding in the shadows,kudos... Youve fooled some,I see through your bullshit.. Now if you dont like us defending a sony game in a sony thread..f**k off...simple

bouzebbal1007d ago (Edited 1007d ago )

Some people have a console or brand they prefer to another, trying to make the big flaws of one look banal to make it look like a tie. Owning all consoles still doesn't prove any neutrality whatsoever.

XBLskull one of the most blind labelled fanboys has a PS4 and at the same time he's the first one talking trash about PS4 games.
To me xbox fanboys are by far the worst species in here. They clearly neglect reality of power differences, games less optimized, numbers of exclusives, MS promising them things they never keep (Natal, cloud computing...) but they are yet still blindly defending their brand by talking shit about the competitor's games.

Cloud is a big deal, direct x12 is a big deal, halo collection best ever... you guys are so naive and you get bainwashed so easily. Facts is what it's all about...

The difference with Order is that it has always been revealed as a SP only game. If we put RPGs aside, SP campaigns turn around 8hours as an average and The Order seems to last longer than that which is a plus.

If people like to label me as a fanboy because i am defending games that have been hated on purpose (Knack, DriveClub...) and now The Order is fine with me.
Pretending being neutral and objective and only talking about worries actually shows the true intention =====> TROLLING

The amount of injust hate The Order is getting is over the roof. It overshadowed everything that got released in the past 5years. Why? just for fun...
Some people clain being neutral but as soon as you "insult" their cherished brand their true personality takes over... funny :D

iluvmaPS31007d ago

Who complained about titanfall 6 vs 6? Ryse was bashed for being to repetitive and not being good

Septic1007d ago

"See, I don't pretend. I very clearly prefer Playstation. I very clearly detest Microsoft"

Lol so why on earth should we take what you say seriously or how can you even come into this to question my objectivity?

"Right, because crying that Ballsack said... is perfectly fine and neutral. "

Yes it is actually. The chap complete side-swiped the issue and placed the blame on the Xbox contingent (and got marked as Well said...surprise surprise) but that's a lot more netural than my post is it?

"A) This is a Sony game isn't it? Wouldn't you expect to see Sony fanboys in this comment thread? "

I don't just mean this thread, I mean the whole site in general.

"Did I even talk about my expectations as to this game? Nope. So what double standards have I employed Septic? Go ahead, I'll wait for you to quote them. "

Eh?? I'm talking about your double standards regarding the way you approach the MS contingent, but then again, you've just admitted you're a fanboy above so it's all good I guess.

"Read my reply to the first quoted aspect of your comment. I don't pretend, you do. "

Hey Dragon. Why didn't you say anything about this article that I wrote?

http://www.gameondaily.com/...

"Just showed you 8 whole blogs of my Sony criticisms Skeptic. Kinda completely refutes your "you can't take criticism of Sony" claims."

Oh really? Well then by your logic, I'm the most objective person here because not only do I routinely defend Sony when it counts:

http://www.gameondaily.com/...

I critique MS SEVERAL times:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And then went on a FRICKIN TV explaining why people should pick the PS4 over the XBOX ONE:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

"Your long crusade on here speaks for itself."

This quote paints you as an overexaggerating drama queen Septic."

Lol no it doesn't mate. You're obsessive to the point of ridicule. At one point I offered you an invitation to write for our site (what MS fanboy would do that huh?) but then I noticed your strange and over-bearing insistent nature where you were so stubborn and completely unwilling to have a proper discussion.

"You alluded to yourself being objective after your pitiful lists of things you don't like about the PS4/Xbox One?"

Ha! Are you using that against me??Let the others see your comments shall we:

http://n4g.com/news/1650625...

Comparatively, you guys don't have an ounce of sincerity. I welcome ANY of you guys to come to our roundtable discussions if you want to pit your so-called objectivity against mine. But beware, you will lose. So much is my confidence in my sincerity and objectivity, at least when compared to yours.

@abzdine

"Some people clain being neutral but as soon as you "insult" their cherished brand their true personality takes over... funny :D"

Ah yeah so very true ;)

DragonKnight1007d ago (Edited 1007d ago )

@Septic: "Lol so why on earth..."

A) I'm sorry, do you think the only way someone can or should talk about Microsoft is if they like them? Well if everyone had that opinion, we'd still have that 24hour check in, Kinect requiring console that nobody liked wouldn't we?

B) Are you suggesting that pretending the way you do is actually the correct course of action?

C) Opinions aren't objective.

"Yes it is actually..."

A) https://www.youtube.com/wat...
B) Did I say his comment was neutral?

"I don't just mean this thread, I mean the whole site in general."

Say what you mean then. And I would return the question to you about you and your fellow Xbox fanboys. Don't pretend like you're saints.

"Eh?? I'm talking about..."

Again, say what you mean. And no, actually, I didn't. I said I have a clear preference. You are reaching wanting to put people on the same level of fanboyism as you.

"Hey Dragon. Why didn't you say anything about this article that I wrote?"

Because I didn't read it. Having now read it, a proper commentary would take more space in this comment that's already reserved to address your other "points" but here's a small "gist" of it. First, you prove my point in going on the defensive about the Xbox brand, even when you're talking about a Sony game. Second, you pretend you have objectivity and say the lack of it is not condoned at your site, but your lists exist with PS4 fanboys officially claimed as the worst fanboys by your site.

"Oh really? Well then by your logic, I'm the most objective person here because not only do I routinely defend Sony when it counts."

Ok, so you linked your Order article again, not sure if that's a mistake or not so I'm not going to comment on that. In the first video the extent of your criticisms against Microsoft were "the Xbox One is weaker and don't get rid of the Kinect." Oh wow, how could Microsoft ever hope to recover? You criticized GTAV more.

Third video. "I think the controller is better." Do I really have to lace into you for that one after the list articles? Do you expect me to believe that at a Playstation Launch event you'd tell everyone to get the Xbox One instead and that that opinion would be allowed on tv? Wow, if you think those are good examples of your "objectivity" and "neutrality" they aren't.

"Lol no it doesn't mate...."

Translation: I didn't accept your offer.

"Ha! Are you using that against me??Let the others see your comments shall we:"

Go ahead and be a comment historian. I'm not running away from what I said. If your answer to your fanboyism is to point out what you consider to be others fanboyism, you must understand that you're proving my point for me. Obviously you completely agree with your own reasons in those lists, and you expect anyone to then think you're neutral? Lol.

"Comparatively, you guys don't have an ounce of sincerity...."

I don't live in the UK. I've seen your "objectivity" in your roundtables. I think you need to look up what objectivity means. Also, try and find a smaller room to do them in, there's too much echo.

4Sh0w1007d ago (Edited 1007d ago )

Septic they are attacking you because you don't join the mob mentality:

On a negative Sony related story you MUST defend and label points raised as media/xbot driven BS with no merit.

On a negative Microsoft related story you MUST believe rumors are fact, Micro is the devil, any words of defence makes you MS PR.

On positive Sony news, you MUST take every word as gospel.

On positive Microsoft news, you MUST question everything, attack source, suspect micro paid them.

There is no middle ground, its black or white. Loyalty clouds objectivity= where most reasonable people would acknowledge this game got undue hate (stuff I try to avoid) for things like downgrades, linearity, gameplay since of course its not out yet but at the same time thats not unusual scrutiny for any big game, especially exclusives. Then there are *perfectly legitimate questions raised about the gameplay length vs value proposition. If an individual does not care at all about a game being very short as long as its fun for $60 then great but it sounds arrogant/silly to act surprised that many gamers do care. Its like going sky diving and saying to someone who isn't willing to jump out of a plane "You must be crazy."

-Not all sony supporters are like this just as not all who prefer X1 like me are not xbots, wish n4g had more rational people on both sides, Id love to have discusions arguing "mine is the best" without hating on the other.

-Why cant we agree that this game has been unfairly bashed like most exclusives but there are also legitimate negative questions about the game....nah who am I kiddin' just continue the fanboyism.

DragonKnight1007d ago

@4Sh0w: Bzzzt. Wrong. The only thing I'm "attacking" Septic on is how disingenuous he is. I don't care if he is hates this game and hates on it in this thread, doesn't matter to me. But don't pretend that you're a neutral person when you're clearly not. Septic has a habit of making posts where most of it is filled with his fanboyism and then at the very end tries to cover it with the most neutral statement he can come up with. That's the problem. Why be phony about what you prefer? I know Septic prefers Xbox, but he tries to pass himself off as something else and attacks others sarcastically without a single shred of self-awareness.

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Crimzon1008d ago

I've seen a lot of games scrutinized like The Order (Evolve, Assassins Creed Unity, Destiny, Call of Duty etc. the list goes on...) but I've never seen a game defended this heavily from scrutiny before.

Plenty of games receive criticism, a lot of it very justified, but people are falling over themselves to defend The Order for some reason. Where were you when other games were being scrutinized? Or did you not care because they weren't PS4 exclusives?

slappy5081008d ago

But what exactly is there to critisize?
There's no content hidden behind a paywall, it's functional, we all *know* its not Open World, we all *know*there are QTEs , games have it it's not like it's a QTE sim and we all know its not 50 hours.
Its not exactly like any of these things are bad for industry, if it's not to your taste or on your platform of choice great move on. Evolve, games that are broken should be getting a lot more critisism and bad publicity than it currently is.

Saijahn1008d ago

The criticism's are valid. I can understand if the game was being nitpicked to death like oh this texture looks too dark or something like that like what happened with Ryse. I mean people were literally photoshopping screens of Ryse just to make dissenting posts lol.

It honestly feels like if The Order isn't getting 10s for reviews some of these diehard PS4 players are going to kill themselves.

Two-Face1008d ago

Evolve may be a huge ripoff. But I would take that game over Order anyday everyday.

I saw some of that playthrough on youtube + the ending. I think I have never cringed so much from a videogame ending. If you like QTE, cutscenes and few gameplay section inbetween. Then go ahead.

I prefer games with no cutscenes or as few as possible. Half-Life 2 managed to tell a good story without using cutscenes, so don't tell me it's not possible.

OrangePowerz1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

I defended Destiny, Watch Dogs and CoD in the past alonger other games. Hell, I even defended ME3 against those entitled games that vehemently demanded a new ending and made petitions for it.

Unity can't be defended it's a buggy and glitchy mess, not as bad as BF4 for tje first 6 months but still buggy and glitchy.

Evolve doesn't intereste me much, but the DLC model they use doesn't seem to be very good.

@Two Face

Standing in a room and waiting for a conversation to finish isn't really that much different to having a cutscene.

MysticStrummer1008d ago

None of those games you listed were scrutinized like The Order.

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hellothere19771008d ago

Actually, the answer is simple. You know this is a hot topic for a huge AAA game coming out soon. Those articles and 6hours play throughs on YouTube and gamesites get money for clicks and views. Of course you're going to get people making these statements to get people to click on them.

I'm guessing we'll have to wait for the bigger websites to give some numbers. Yes, trusting game reviews is a sticking point too, but I'm inclined to believe that the bigger publications will be more inclined to give factual numbers since they have a lot more at risk for doctoring numbers and data... from a legal standpoint.

Lev19031008d ago

Did TLou received hate like this? Did LBP? Did Infamous? Does Bloodborne have dislike this? NO! Driveclub did because the game was not finished. But geus what, so did Halo.

Maybe the game has some flawes and gamesites react on it.

But can you guys stop with the that the PS4 is the victim here. And that the opposition makes these kind of articles. Its really childish.

Re-versed1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

you cant justify hate like that!the hate is coming out of the people who cant play the game cause they dont have PS4...You talk about childish behaviour in ps ownwer who defend the game???Lol!what about an army of trolls who havent even touch the game yet and claim that it is rubbish ??dont make yourself look like fool son...

Lev19031008d ago

What the hell are you talking about? Im not saying you are childish because you defend this game(Which you didnt play btw). Im saying your childish because you act that everyone is conspiring againt the PS4. And that the game is a victim.

You will see in 4 days if this game is great or not.

Crimzon1008d ago

@Lev1903

You make a good point and I agree. I see people complaining that all PS4 games are somehow victimized, yet general consensus for Bloodborne seems to be that the game looks great and hands-on impressions are all positive.

Re-versed1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

yeah...like all the world has the same taste...and we are about to have a result about how good it is...how old are you my friend?

@ crimzon
If this game was multiplatform it would have been labelled as a fresh new start as an ip and a great developer achievement..AND YOU KNOW IT.

Lev19031008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

Seriously, what are you trying to say to me?

You wil have the result about how good the game is. YOU. And then you can make up your own mind if the game is great or not.

seeing your comments i notice that you have a conspiracy theory going on that the best selling console is the victim of hate. Just like TLOU and the hate which Bloodborne and uncharted is getting.

Im 26, how old are you 14?

Re-versed1008d ago

I just cant believe the hate this game got...Thats all!!

Let me tell you one thing...There is a big difference between ps4 success and the media hate...People slowly learn about how us media work and avoid their ''profesionalism'

Just look at the GTA4 reviews among many many examples even in recent memory and you ll understand that the gaming journalism must have a painful death...

I only like the angry joe for being honest in his opinion and fights the commercial gaming side!

So a big [email protected] YOU to IGN GAMESPOT POLYGON and all the other shit professional idiot who decide for us whats cool or not with their completely dishonest reviews like yearly COD, Titanfall ect...

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Septic1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

The Order is the next big PS4 title so yeah, fanboys will jump at the opportunity to hate on it. Expect this for almost all big titles that are platform exclusives; Blodborne, Uncharted,Quantum Break, Halo etc. Its par for the course really.

himdeel1008d ago

Sony exclusives are always scrutinized this way, so this is nothing new. Sony exclusives are expected to cure cancer, make eyes explode with graphics and have game lengths that rival that of the longest jrpg. This just seems to be the case since the PS3.

andibandit1008d ago

"Ive never seen a game get so scrutinized in all my life "

I dont think I've ever seen a game receive so much praise either.

One side of the fence says, how can you hate it so much when you havent played it.

the other side says, how can you love it so much when you havent played it.

It's the neverending story.

Multiplatguy1008d ago

What does Xbox have to do with The Order?

Does that mean that Ryse was only scrutinized by PS fanboys then? This is the only exclusive that seems to be recieving hate and it's because it's said to be 5 hours long. Xbox has nothing to do with and you trying to blame Xbox fanboys just shows you off as a PS fanboy.

jcnba281008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

Sounds like a lot of damage control to me. Have you not seen any early reviews yet online? There are some obvious flaws in the game.

I'm still picking the game up but please stop the damage controlling.

NuggetsOfGod1008d ago

"We know the numbers are wrong and we won't comment on it" - dev

So they don't want to combat the negative perception?

If the numbers are wrong then what are the damn numbers lol

Simple answer they are beating around the bush lol

Maybe the numbers are right...

If this wasn't a sony dev they would seem kinda shady.

But of course sony gamers won't see that.

iceman061008d ago

They already HAVE commented on it. They gave a range of time about 2 weeks ago. Since then, the internet has been abuzz with attempts to prove them wrong. So, they just aren't going to repeat it ad nauseum.

UKmilitia1008d ago

i cant wait for this but i have just noticed for the first time alot of screen tearing which hasnt been in any other videos

Helloween131007d ago

man I so agree with you here, Its a shame that there are so many wankers out there trying there best to make people believe all this crap about what will be one of the games of the year

NeoTribe1007d ago (Edited 1007d ago )

Your exactly right. While shit games like evolve scores a 9 for its evil buisness practices, ready at dawn is getting scrutinized for a misplaced pixel. "Gaming 2015"

bjshepp1007d ago

"Ive never seen a game get so scrutinized in all my life."

I've never seen a game recieve so much damage control in all my life. God.

"I think its fear that the opposition has no exclusives for like the first 9 months of 2015 and the ps4 has exclusives spread throughout the year which will probably boost its sales lead even further."

Yeah. Nevermind the numerous criticisms from Sony fans about the games length, generic gameplay, QTE's etc since E3 last year.

DragonKnight1007d ago (Edited 1007d ago )

double post.

boodi1007d ago

it's just full boat bloat advertising

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DarkOcelet1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

I am pissed on how much flak they are taking with this game. How come no one said anything when the Bioshock Infinite landed with only single played campaign and got 9's and 10's everywhere?? And it was a masterpiece. Infact, i remember people were actually hoping it would be Single Player only. That also happened with Dead Space 2 and Dead Space 3. Nobody asked for multiplayer or co op. And many people were pissed off about it.

Some games dont need MP as long as it had a good replay value and a good story. And i think this game will do.

I swear if this game was multiplatform, no one would give it as much flak. I mean look at $hitty Evolve. Very few talked about its $hitty DLC practices before the game landed and people said that they can experience everything in the damn game in less than two hours! I mean WTF!

I f**king hate this new gen where everything has to have a stupid shoved in half @ssed multiplayer. GOD! That makes me so angry, i just want to play a single player only game, is that a damn crime now?

slappy5081008d ago

agreed on all counts, some games dont need to have multiplayer in it, DA:I is proof of that.I guess the west just like to shit all over PS exclusives, remember Driveclub, just couldnt help themselves, yet Master CHief received praise and the multiplayer was broken too.
This game can be bug free, gorgeous graphics, great story (objectively that ticks most gamers boxes) But they'll go looking for fault in it.

Volkama1008d ago

Erm Dragon Age Inquisition might not be the best citation if you're trying to make a case in favour of The Order...

isa_scout1008d ago

So true slappy. MCC has been and still is a mess several months after launch. At the rate it's being fixed they should've just called it The Master Chief Campaign Collection. Halo is my favorite FPS franchise. I bought a XOne just for Halo and Gears. So you can imagine how pissed I've been. Not very game needs multiplayer, and not every game needs a single player. Battlefield is one example of a game that's single player actually lessens the overall package. I'm pumped for The Order 1886. Sometimes it's nice to just relax and focus on a story instead of competitive MP. I'm sure most of us not in our tween years remember a time when all we played was SP games, and it worked out fine.

Father__Merrin1008d ago

nobody would bother if it was multiplat, Pc and xbox owners would have been looking forward to a title like this. but they cant play it hence they have to spew out nonsence to fill the void that they have nothing new....

xbox owners will have the new games for gold, and pc owners will have to wait for the next indie bundle....

starchild1008d ago

I could name lots of multiplats that got tons of hate before they were ever released. Sometimes the concern was justified and sometimes it was unwarranted or overblown, but it happens all the time to multiplats, so I don't know what you are talking about.

EvilWay1008d ago (Edited 1008d ago )

You listed games with a significant campaign length. This has been beaten in 5-6 hours, that is the problem. People have the right to be upset because it is $60 and even more in other companies. People aren't accepting half assed experiences anymore (atleast I hope).

I have no problem with games having multiplayer but that means the game should have that development time to work on the single player.

I don't know how this game will score and I am eager to play it myself but I expect it to be short I will beat it in 2 days of minor play than never touch it again

Ryse is in the same boat short, linear, and boring gameplay (even though I enjoyed it). It has good graphics but not much substance. The story might be great but the length will hurt it in the long run

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fei-hung1008d ago

I remember a game called Metal Gear Solid 4. Game was 75% cutscenes with very little gameplay and the story wasn't even all that great unless you followed the series. Gameplay itself was around 4-5hrs the rest was down to cutscenes. This game was given 9&10's.

God of war games have had campaigns that are not longer than 8-10hrs and they never had these issues.

With the order it seems to be looking for excuse after excuse to give it negative press. First it was about graphics, then the qte's, then the variety of guns, the linearity, the gameplay and now the length. People forget it wasn't long ago they bought a demo called ground zero for £30-35.

DarkOcelet1008d ago

I have beaten Vanquish in four hours the first time btw with all the cutscenes and whatnot. And it was a pretty damn good game. I replayed it tons of time.

Its not always about the length.