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Phil Spencer: We knew about DX12 when We Built Xbox One

It has been reported in the last several days that gamers will need brand new DX12 cards to take full advantage of all the features of DirectX12. Phil Spencer when asked about the need for new hardware replied with, they were fully aware of DX12 when Microsoft built the Xbox One.

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christocolus1054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

"ExploderMouse ‏@ExploderMouse
@XboxP3 Hey Phil huge fan. If DX12 requires new hardware for all tweaks to be present how will the X1 have full DX12? Care to elaborate?

Phil Spencer
‏@XboxP3
@ExploderMouse We knew what DX12 was doing when we built Xbox One.he actuallThey definitely knew what they were doing when they made the xbox one."

Awesome. they definitely knew what they were doing from the start.cant wait to see scalebound, halo5 and gears4. DX12 will improve games on Xbox one period.

@yarbie

just edit the title to better reflect Phils comment.

Foehammer1054d ago ShowReplies(12)
HaveAsandwich1054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

Spencer already said Dx12 wouldnt have any significant effect on xb1, as far cpu/gpu/mem are concerned. Also, he is saying absolutely nothing about dx12 and the xb1, when he says "We knew about DX12 when We Built Xbox One." Well, thanks for that I guess.

Spencer-
“On the DX12 question, I was asked early on by people if DX12 is gonna dramatically change the graphics capabilities of Xbox One and I said it wouldn’t. I’m not trying to rain on anybody’s parade, but the CPU, GPU and memory that are on Xbox One don’t change when you go to DX12. DX12 makes it easier to do some of the things that Xbox One’s good at, which will be nice and you’ll see improvement in games that use DX12, but people ask me if it’s gonna be dramatic and I think I answered no at the time and I’ll say the same thing.”

VVVVVV
They're HIS WORDS. He literally said with his own mouth, it won't. lol

Nekroo911054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

Of course they knew, the xbox already has a low level acess API. Dont waste your time here we know its going to improve the performance of the console but not for 50%.

I see lots of guys here talking and they dont even know what dx does.

It can improve pc performance untill 50% but we wont see a massive change on xbox Phil Spencer said that...b

“It will help developers on XBOX One. It’s not going to be a massive change but will unlock more capability for devs,

shloobmm31054d ago

Perhaps he was being coy.Maybe keeping his cards close to his chest.According to Aaron Greenberg it will have a decent effect.Whether or not it does or not. Why try so hard to let everyone know its not going to be a huge step. Simply sit back and watch it all unfold.

illtownNJONE1054d ago

He said it wont change the "HARDWARE" inside the console, reread it again

CubicalLake71054d ago

Yet he backtracked on this specific statement today, saying certain games would be impacted depending on bottleneck.

RT @XboxP3: @JAGLeMans Yea, really on a game by game basis, difficult to make one statements about impact of DX12, depends on where the bottlenecks are.

Kal0psia1054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

His words in terms of hardware. Of course it won't change anything because consoles are outdated the day it's launched. But it's a huge benefit of developers and art directors specifically especially for Microsoft's first party games. Doubt we'll see major publishers take advatage of the Dx12 features sets, but I wouldn't be surprised or won't care when XOne first party games look and play amazing.

On top of this is the idea that some of "us" have been stating for a while now that probably XOne is lacking it's true API with Dx12 otherwise why would it ride on this gimped Dx11.x? Just look at the patterns the last year near and ever since launch Dx11.x has been getting upgraded versions just to mimmick Dx12 implemenations. So this isn't a surprise.

Azzanation1054d ago

You fanboys try so hard to downplay something you have no idea about? Phil is stating it wont change the hardware of the console, meaning 8gigs of ram wont be 10gigs of ram. There's a giant difference in what your trying to argue.

X1's Hardware is permanent and will not change. DX12 will allow greater access to CPU processing while still using the same hardware. No one is arguing saying the hardware is going to change so get off your high horse and wait and see. Things can improve without changing a single piece. X1 already has a more powerful CPU then its competitors so imagine when they manage to balance the cores out for there games.

DX12 will make a great difference for X1/PC games. The X1 already has a low level API and DX12 isn't about being low level API, its about core balancing and many new features to access the hardware already in the machine. Think of it as extreme optimising.

StrangerX1053d ago (Edited 1053d ago )

LOOKS LIKE YOU FOLLOW HIM OR AT LEAST ARE INTERESTED IN HIS TWEETS. NOW IT SEEMS THAT YOU MENTION ONLY WHAT YOU LIKE BUT, IF YOU KNOW THAT MUCH THEN YOU KNOW that modern GPU's cannot take full advantage of DX12 and that only Next Gen GPU's can take full advantage of DX12 benefits and features, now if you remember not long ago, this same person "Spencer" tweeted that XBOX was using some features of DX12 but that full implementation of it was bound to happen via update. "FULL DX12" what does that tells you? That Xbox is still a modern GPU like the PS4 is and has already been confirm of it, or that the XBOX one has to be a next gen GPU to be able to take advantage of this features? Then what this means is that in the not to distant future we will see what the XBox one is truly capable off with full feature DX12. Dont be fooled, read between the lines, NDA's are placed for a reason until the goal or means are met. But ive said it before and will say it again, time will tell and everything will be remembered and figured out. THE XBOX ONE WAS DESIGN WITH DX12 IN MIND AND THAT IS NOW A FACT THAT PEOPLE LAST YEAR WAS IN DENAIL TO ADMIT BUT SPENCER JUST SAID IT.

GameNameFame1053d ago

He said it multiple times.

it is just hilarious to see some people here trying to warp his words so that it wont break their delusion.

People. he said it MULTIPLE times.

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Bigpappy1054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

I think this was made clear before. Last year when they started mentioning DX12, they said that the X1 was built to support DX12. But it is still good to hear the Boss say it again. I like how he lets people ponder what this will actually do for games on Xbox.
Some
people think it will do nothing (good luck with that). Some people people thing it will do little (low expectations are a safe bet). Some people believe it will be a massive upgrade (be careful with those expectations). I think it will be a big change. Graphics will look better, and everything you got used to in current game will evolve rather quickly from what we now see.

Andofaus1054d ago

So great to hear Microsoft built my Xbox one for the future. This will be a very good year for Xbox gamers I think.

fr0sty1054d ago

one would hope so... i mean, you don't build a new DX version overnight, and the x1 has only been out a year.

ChickeyCantor1053d ago

"DX12 will improve games on Xbox one period. "

Eh, DX12 is meant for PC.

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DragonbornZ1054d ago

I was surprised people thought they didn't.

srd44841054d ago

XB1 owners know this. It's the fanboys who want to deny it even when it's right in front of their face. It's already using some features of DX12 as Phil mentioned. Once XB1 get updated with the full DX12 and developers start using DX12, we will then see the difference.

No_Limit1054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

Cool stuff, looking forward to games written with DX12 on XB1 later on this year. Halo 5 and Forza 6 should be glorious.

hello121054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

I bloody knew it and looks like x box fans were right the x box 1 was build with directx12 in mind. Finally getting some truths out about x box 1

Albert Pannello knew it and Neogaf laughed at him back then and i was one of those people who knew there was more going on with the x box 1 then was been claimed.

From Albert at launch.

Performance: I’m not dismissing raw performance. I’m stating – as I have stated from the beginning – that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe. There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance.

People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony.
I’m not saying they haven’t built a good system – I’m merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years…

Bigpappy1054d ago

That's a great find Mr. KNWS. You win my bubble vote. I rarely give them out.

christocolus1054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

i actually remember those comments from Albert back then. it makes a whole lot of sense now. great find KNWS.

there was an article about MS meeting with game developers after the windows event,i guess we will get more info at the Build Conference.. E3 is definitely going to be awesome this year..

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen1054d ago

The only thing that will matter in the end is which company has the the most accurate, experienced, innovative, and skilled programmers. Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on programming code and machine language, just Windows.

Reality check 101.

MrSec841054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

So true, thanks for your nice and objective comments below.
Although I would add that the performance of hardware will have a pretty big baring on what the difference in game performance ends up being, especially when you have both Sony and Microsoft making the most out of the tech they have with their own talented programmers.

These people acting like XB1 can somehow make a difference because they apparently (and based on no facts) have some coders that can push things outside of the realms of what the platform can do are just deluding themselves.

As I said in my reply to KNWS DX has never been about performance until DX12, even now it's still about functionality across multiple platforms, while XB1 will have more dedicated development for it's specs, it's not like PS4 won't have the same and ICE Team more than proved their worth last generation, they were integral in designing PS4, with Mark Cerny's direction and AMD's hardware/software development support.

Every argument that can be made for MS supposedly having great talent in designing their system can definitely be made for Sony, because they have more experience in building dedicated games machines, whether it's consoles or handhelds.
Windows hasn't always been about gaming, even now gaming is one of a number of elements MS focuses on, but primarily they're about OS, functionality for Office or APPs, gaming is only recently getting a look at on the efficiency side of things, for Sony it's gaming 1st, Apps second.

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stuna11054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

Not only that, but people are cheering for a unknown! How can someone state that they're not giving up a certain percentage of power/performance to the competitor if they have no ideal what the competitor hasn't shown!? In my opinion those are empty words.

@ Raiden

This is only the first year. Believe me you will see it! For a system like the PS3 it was shown just how powerful it really was as time went on, and this generation we will see a repeat performance as time goes on.

MrSec841054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

LOL Albert Pannello doesn't know what the hell he is talking about, trying act like MS have more experience with games consoles is enough to show that this guy loves to reach, rather than actually offer up anything concrete to support his argument.

FYI Sony has the ICE Team, their API devs, that have some of the most talented software programmers in the games industry, ex NASA coders that optimized down the binary level on PS3 and they'll do the same on PS4.

DX has never been known for performance, more flexibility across multiple kinds of hardware, but it's in no way built for efficiency, not until DX12 and even now DX12 isn't aiming to be the efficiency king and has to operate within the parameters of the specs it's running on, so Pannello doesn't really offer anything but hyperbole.

Raw figures tell you the maximum capabilities of the hardware you have at hand.
Hell MS didn't even put a sufficient enough bandwidth from a decent sized memory pool, we can see this just by looking at the raw specs of a 7770 or 7790 GPU from AMD, both of those have over 70GB/s dedicated to the GPU alone, from a pool that is about 1-2GB, yet XBox One only offers up 35GB/s from it's comparable pool of main memory for graphics, because the CPU requires the other 20GB/s from the full 55GB/s of real world bandwidth that DDR3 provides on XB1. Being 40-80X smaller than the RAM in a 7770/7790 eSRAM can't hope to provide the performance needed to match what those GPUs have as standard, so really XB1 is left with a very weak level of performance that won't hope to keep the GPU properly fed.

MS should just face it that they backed the wrong horse on the RAM side of things. Their system is much weaker than PS4 and DX12 isn't going to make up for that, neither will DMAs or the Cloud, it's all smoke and mirrors.

Later this year Sony will be implementing proper use of GPGPU and unified multi-core, collaborative compute support for PS4's APU, along with full HSA, with evolving use of ACEs on PS4 and when that happens the gap is going to look even bigger than what we've already been shown.
This will show PS4 to be about 2X more capable compared to XB1, which is the reality of the situation.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen1054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

Even if you were to simplify what you said and break it down into bits and pieces that even a 10 year old could understand, there will still be people disagreeing with you. WELL SAID!

MrSec841054d ago

@IGiveHugs2NakedWomen: Thanks, it's clear from the disagrees there's a lot of B***Hurt because these people know I'm right.

Xbox Fans lap up the marketing BS people like Pannello spew and then add the stuff from people like MisterXMedia and his split personalities Insider and MisterCTeam to their own brand of circular reasoning.

Logical, scientific people look at the facts and form an opinion on that.

The reality is a GPU needs sufficient sized storage and capacity in one place, you can't just have a tiny cache, with a 40th to an 80th of the storage of what that GPU needs and expect it to perform the same.

The details on paper are just an accurate representation of what is physically and really inside each box, MS has confirmed their specs and so have Sony.
Details being on paper doesn't make them any less real and all of that stuff is fully verifiable by looking at AMD's own impartial specs, along with impartial developers real benchmarks of both consoles.

Ps4andxb11054d ago

Impressive...

That you managed to squeeze so much butthurt in one little post. Lol !

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corroios1054d ago

Very good explanation, but it wont work. Some Xbox gamers want at all cost to think that some magical formula will make the Xbox One more powerfull then the PS4...

We are going to the second year, they had downgrade after downgrade. Not even an exclusive game like Sunset overdrive (cartony game) built only for the xbox One was able to run higher then 900/30 and still think that a machine that was build to be a WII full HD can be more powerfull then the PS4.

The minute that the Kinect was thrown by the window and cut from the machine, something that they told us would never happend, what was left was a machine that is weaker then the PS4.

Torgul1054d ago

2015 is going to shut you fanboy, Mark your words

Raiden1054d ago

I have to comment on this, firstly who the hell are you people to know more about the inner working of what is possible and what is not, how can you comment on knowing more than a developer who has been taken behind closed doors and shown something that is possible. LET ME ASK YOU ALL THIS, what do prefer the tech in the machine or software.

Let the software prove what is more powerful since all you want to do...All I can say is I'm yet to see this massive power SONY PS4 has over the X1.

DoubleM701054d ago

You are a consumer. You can enjoy whatever DX12 has to offer to our community. Mosty these guys on here just want you guys to reconized that the Xbox did have some built in things to make it reach it capabilities. I'm sure ICE team will do the same with the PS4. The problem is people been calling the Xbox Trash for the past year.

People forget the PS3 was the most powerful also and in some games it did prove itself. It didn't mean the 360 was some kind of slouch so game on.

SlapHappyJesus1054d ago

Telling everyone else they are wrong and naming yourself right; all the while describing yourself as "logical" and "scientific" . . .

You're just a special kind of arrogant.

TheCommentator1053d ago

You are correct on paper, but the PS3 was twice as powerful on paper as well, and Xbox kept up just fine with it. I'm sure that in the long run both new systems will look about the same since Microsoft designed XBOX One around DX12, but only time will tell. Thanks for being educated, btw.

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CernaML1054d ago

Too little too late. Its been over a year and the X1 still underperforms. The PS3 had a bad rep over it, now its the X1's turn.

Antifan1054d ago

You seem so obsessed with this. Maybe you need to go outside for once, get a girlfriend

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srd44841054d ago (Edited 1054d ago )

Are we really questioning this? Of course MS had DX12 in mind as they were creating both the XB1 & DX12 at the SAME TIME. Phil confirms it and people still dont believe it.

DoubleM701054d ago

It's called denial. It takes a few days or months before realization sets in that X1 is just as good and someways probably even better.