When Phil Spencer walked on stage today at the Windows 10 keynote, he had the face of a bomber pilot ready to drop some big ones, and there’s no denying it: he did. Now the ball is on Sony's field.
MS are using remote play on their devices or PC that run on windows and MS Tablets only. Sony is using it on Z3 and PSTV , their devices. They are trying to attract customer to their devices so for Sony to put shareplay on an MS device or Windows, it wont happen just like MS is not putting it on anything but theirs. If they have put shareplay on Android, apple, Mac etc then yes, i would have said Sony should do something similar but they are not.
Ar been round for years sony remote play been round for years also sony has some very impressive ar tech go youtube it Sony Smart AR System Used In The NGP / PSP2: http://youtu.be/2IO8z9BdQd0 Sony Smart AR Demo with PSVita in Japan: http://youtu.be/uugSKyd_kIY
Yeah. There was some site that was gathering feedback on what they thought and if they'd develop for this. Most of them said they'd have to wait and see. What's most important in what was said by them was : "It's just brilliant marketing". They all say it looks good on paper but don't really expect much out of it beyond that. It's just Microsoft painting this beautiful picture when mass manufactured will fall apart. This is what Microsoft does, and shows the brilliance of their marketing, via the mentality of Bill Gates. "Look how innovative we are!" When the truth is, they're not innovative at all. They save money on R&D by letting everyone else do the work and then work on letting everyone forget about it, then come in and say: "Look what we've working on. It's step of innovation by Microsoft." Sony showed this off at CES years ago with the Vita when a Dinosaur was small and then got huge. Nintendo and Vita had been using AR at their launch both coming with a set of AR cards, and on screen AR has been used in a lot of PS Eye games on the PS3 with Eye Pet on PS3 and PSP.
How can you even compare this tech to what MS presented? Hololens and it's software is lightyears infront of competition. As for remove play, I hate that I'd need to buy vita for it. MS solution is much more customer friendly.
I'M NOT TROLLING: I just really want to know if Windows 10 remote play will work on a different internet network…Like can I play Xbox One games at the airport or doctor's office (with good enough wifi of course)??????!!!!!!???????
Ballseye, you don't need to buy a vita... people already figured it out for android devices. http://www.androidauthority...
@ballseye You do know that you dont just have to use a Vita for remote play, PSTV remote plays to any HDMI enabled TV in your house, Sony recently relesed Remote Play to thier Xperia range of mobiles and tablets, some enterprising gentlemen have made a rooted version of Remote Play so it will work on any android 4.4 device.
You're not exactly correct Dark. Microsoft is putting it on Windows devices, which includes a ton of devices not directly produced by Microsoft. They run the operating system, but the reach is much wider.
The reach might be indeed much wider but it requires a LAN internet connection, so if you are at work, you wont be able to use it. Sony has the edge here. They should have made you play from anywhere just like Sony, what is the reason to play on my PC when the Xone is in the next room lol.
Wait, so there are people that don't think Windows is on a lot of devices?
@DarkOcelet: you really think the majority of Remote Play users uses it out of their home network? It requires a rather powerful upstream bandwidth to do so effectively, and not many have that.
@Abriel - I don't know about anyone else but I do all the time on break at work.
i think it's pretty safe to say more people will be using windows 10 than the vita and xperia smartphones. especially given that windows 7 and windows 8.1 users get a free upgrade. this is a very smart move and they are aiming for 1080p and 60 frames per second. right now it's running at 720p and 30 frames per second. sony is in a pickle because they want to sell the vita to go along with your ps4, microsoft just wants people to use windows 10.
@darkocelet - Didn't Phil Spencer say he was controlling his xbox at home during the event? Maybe I missed something but I didn't think it was just LAN only.
@Dark you honestly think this is going to be limited to LAN? VPN says hi! With the abundance of applications on PC and the ability to program, it will allow connections to be made much further and in locations Sony would only dream of reaching. This is why Windows/PC was so great in the first place. The openness to customize and program 3rd party solutions over an OS.
Actually your wrong in this sense as Remote play is on Android. Sure Sony only want it on Xperia but its already been ported to any phone with root access. Which is 99% of android phones. You can play remote play on a Galaxy, a nexus or a moto or whatever you want. Android has 70% of the mobile market MS cannot touch that. Sont could tomorrow release the app officially on the store if they wanted and that would let non rooted users have the app and MS in reality wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to adoption rates at least. I have no doubt Sony will one day release remote play to all android devices but for now its locked down to sell xperia phones.
I use my Vita for remote play out of my home. So do majority of the vita owners I know, the biggest thing vita has going for it is remote play. With a 5Mbps upload at home, I have 0 issues remote playing. The lag is much lower than you'd expect. Then most homes don't have proper networking, so I can see why some people use quality via remote play. I've battle dragons in dragon age and did VOG raid in destiny from my vita while being about 40 miles away from my home.
@DarkOcelet There are 1.5 billion windows devices and upwards of over 11 million Xbox One's and growing. I think you know that the amount of exposure will be unlimited with streaming on windows.
most of those windows devices are desktops and around 70% of windows devices are business users.. I doubt many will be using this feature on a desktop as it makes a lot more sense to stream to a tablet or laptop. Stats can say what you want them to say when put the right way no? Sony won't be worried about this one bit and in fact this is great for the industry that both companies are allowing this tech. The only ones who should be worried is Nintendo as the Wiiu isn't powerful enough to do something like this.
But considering the low OS transition rate between MS OS uogrades, we'll have to see how many actually move from 7 to 10 or 8 to 10.
Why do people give Mickeysoft so much credit for stealing and building off of other peoples ideas? They are not a God send. Windows itself was not soley their idea either. They have bought, destroyed MUCH more than they have implemented, innovated. Also, they are targetting 1080p and 60fps for remote play? Doesn't mean it will happen but how they have the ability to sway, convince and persuade people is truly amazing. Gotta give it to them their. But that's all I give them. Just my 2 cents.
@Printer Your 2 cents sound like my 2 cents lmao! I'm definitely paying attention to see how this works though
Interesting article as always Abriael. Samsung and iphones dominate the smartphone market almost everywhere, as does the iPad. Sony would indeed be smart to go after that market.
They might be working on a deal with Samsung since Samsung TVs are supporting PS Now
Sony already have the android market they have an android app that allows remote play and its been ported by hackers to work on any android device.
Gamer is right you can pretty easily hack it to run on any Android phone. But MS is a game changer /s
You dont understand? We are talking about not having to download an app from the app store. This is built in to every windows 10 device. Pretty easy to market this I would say. The bottom line is this they made a gaming hub and they made streaming from your Xbox to PC a reality and hopefully in the future PC to Xbox. IF this happensd GOOD NIGHT!
If Xbox One's remote play works with any device that's running Win10 that will definitely be a game changer for Microsoft and the Xbox One. Sony already has the tech to stream gameplay to any device connected to the web, perhaps this will give them some incentive to take it up a notch and actually get it up and running on non-Sony devices.
It already runs on non-Sony devices, all Sony has to do is bless this practice
it runs just fine on my lg g2, my nexus 7, my wifes, & my wifes s4?
I can remote play with your wife? Awesome, sign me up! Joke!
Dude 2 things in the world should never be joked about, a man's car and his wife (in that order)
Sony: PS4 remote play confirmed for iOS and Steam.
You still need an Xbox to run it though, it is not like PSNow that goes everywhere without the need of a Playstation or any Sony owned device.
or even like share play where you can get a friend to join your game remotely.
This is about Remote Play, not PS now. They are different services.
The technology is the same, the host machine is pinged remotely by a receiver/input display device. PS4->Vita or PS4 -> PSTV or PS Server to PS Now enabled devices. And the technology powering the remote play/streaming is all being handled by The technology powering the Gaikai cloud servers Sony possesses.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure remote play is just a direct connection from device to device once initial discovery is done. So the only gaikai technology which might be involved is any proprietary compression algorithms Sony acquired... Or they could just be using standard open source compression. There's nothing very special about remote play which is why things like remote desktop or Chromecast exist doing essentially the same thing. It would be interesting to see what the gaikai acquisition actually got Sony apart from a boat load of servers and the ability to get PS now up and running instantly i.e. any good patents or anything?
@BitbyDeath To be fair, remote play needs a PS4 for it to work too, but Sony has the tech to make share play and remote play work with any internet ready device that's able to receive streamed content. All Sony would have to do is create an app to make it work completely independent of PS Now. Give credit where credit is due. Using Win10 as a foundation for Xbox remote play is a brilliant idea.
Yes, this is truly impressive.
It's not really remote play. It's local vlan play. PlayStation now is truely remote play on non console devices. Not just streaming from a local console.
You are confusing remote play with a paid subscription service which streams content from the cloud for a fee. @cfir Did you watch the presentation at all? Did you notice the part where Spencer said he was controlling his xbox which was currently at home?
The competition's made better companies out of everyone this gen. Looking forward to what Microsoft up its sleeve. I'd love to play Xbox One games on my iPad, granted that I have a controller with it, of course.
I'm wondering, if you could use an XB1 pad with it since the pad now use a wifi protocol, instead of BT or the old 360 propriatory wireless protocol. I would love to lay in bed playing the XB1. Oh AirPlay support would be great to, but there would probably be to much latency. All my consoles are in my games room downstairs, so streaming to my bedroom TV would be great.
You can buy PSTv an stream to any other room with a monitor, PSNow on multiple devices without the need for a console at all, an they already have vita to remote play from anywhere. Don't see how MS really out did Sony in anyway with this announcement. Sony already has all these things in place, if anything the balls still in MS's court, if Windows 10 is below $100 for a license/upgrade I could see this being something big. But most PC gamers won't give two hoots, an majority of the Xbox players don't have a PC that can even run Windows 8. An once again fanboys on both sides making gamers look dumb in this comment section, an this is why I'm building a rig an not bothering with consoles anymore. To many children, then even more adults who act like children.
I'll second that, my laptop running win vista can't play any modern games worth a damn, not even portal 2. Game streaming from pc to XB1 sounds like an idea straight from MS board of directors. It has merit but I can't help but wonder why no one bothered to mention whether or not the XB1's controller can be paired to a smart device. Gateway MT6706 2008
It sad to see you fight with no ammo LMAO. It looks like you don't use computers at all.
So long as you get Windows 10 within the first year of its release, its a completely free update for Windows 7 machines and up.
Same with AR , suddenly it's the second coming
@Spid3r6 Of course I have no ammo, my laptop is from 2008. It simply can't handle today's games, It only goes as far as my modded copy of GTA San Andres. However, I do use it for browsing and acquiring my weekly fix of anime & tv shows. My Sony console though, that's what I game on. Gateway MT6706 2008 - Used every other day
So when Sony VAIO PC's had remote play, you conveniently forget that? https://www.youtube.com/wat...
It's called advertising...Sony doesn't do that.... I'd be parading on the streets just to let people know that it does it.
Sony currently officially only supports Vita, PS TV and Xperia devices for remote play.. However, unofficially the remote play app can be used on many non-Sony android devices, and Android emulators on PC and Mac
We are assuming win10 wins.
pc wins here not xbox another reason not to buy an xbox
You need an xbox to do this lol
Now your talking this is real remote play, tablet size screen and a full X1 controller yes please!
All you can do is laugh then cry in a corner. This Epic move from Microsoft no bring us remote play from PC to Xbox One and also remote play via web browser.
Remote play for Xbox requires you to be on the same network. Sonys you can access anywhere.
ok so they caught up to Sony. A man guesses the author means the ball is back in their court to get ahead again? Very much a "me too" conference just like their X1 reveal You had 8gb of RAM? Me too! You have clip recording? Me too! You're coming out this year? Me too! Now it's You've got VR? Me too! You've got remote play? Me too! Like seriously do something original instead of playing catch up all the time.
Jaqen, you forgot one! You sold almost 20mil? Us too!....nah, nevermind...lol
You forgot the most important one Sony lost BILLIONS every year for 7 years MS made BILLIONS EVERY year Sony doesn't have a prayer of a "me too"
Microsoft has never done something original. It's all stealing ideas and reverse engineering with those guys.
It requiring you to be on the same network so what's the point? I guess they're trying but obviously not hard enough. Why would I play xbox through my windows phone or pc or whatever if I have my Xbox at home with me? I've taken my Vita to work and played Don't Starve, Trials, Resogun, and other games perfectly fine away from home. Lets just pretend this didn't happen. Microsoft should get a "Do over" lol.
Opening up Xbox to Windows is a game changer. Windows has a vast user base. MS should reach out to Steam next.
With the amount Microsoft make from games made on their console giving gamers the option to buy from a competitor streamed on their own console (multiplatform games) would be a very odd move, plus I imagine that would be a very bumpy licensing road to go down.
Most people who have Steam also have Windows it seems like a win win. There are a lot of Windows PC's out there, over a billion last time I heard. I honestly don't understand why it's has taken MS this long to try and fuze PC and Xbox.
The headline is a bit over the top, I have no doubts if Sony wanted to they could allow streaming from the PS4 to a PC or Laptop as they do with some of their own laptops If I recall. It also depends what kind of market you're trying to capture. I'm not quite sure which this is aimed at, personally I don't want to stream console games to a smaller non mobile screen in my house especially a PC, another TV? maybe. Streaming to other houses is a good idea but not yet supported and secondly if i'm a dedicated PC gamer who has spent crap loads on a PC i'm not sure i'm going to want to stream my games to a TV via an console as any kind of input lag defeats the point of having a high end PC and 90% of the time the resolution will be downgraded, which lets face it is a no go for many PC enthusiasts. All new tech is great but like most things a lot of it ends up as 'nice to have' rather than essential.
Have to read more on it. If it is true you have to be on the same network I'm not happy.