Metal Gear Solid 4 is just what long-time fans hoped for, but according to Famitsu Metal Gear Solid 4 is nothing but just another game not a system seller.
yeah, just another game. The true weakness of Wii console will be shown soon enough.
Japan is just too stuck up..
to all that Japs that bought Wii Fit. Again, People obviously aren't buying Wii for a high end gaming experience, and that's fine. Remember last gen when all 3 consoles were the same thing with different games? Yeaaah. Now that was lame. lol
Fail. The game is popular in Japan for core gamers and got high scores. That is all that counts.
This is not about the mainstream Media being bribed setting the tone or for all other reviewers. A company would have to be crazy to say anything other than MGS4 being the 2nd coming of Christ. I think this is pretty much about the Japanese not seeing MGS4 as an AAA *not* the score it has.
Stupidity at it's best... PS3 sold around 40-50K for May (whole month). MGS4 was released mid-June and tripled it's PS3's Japan sales for July even with only 15 days on sale. If that's not a system seller then I wonder what is... Wii outsold PS3 at the beginning 12 to 1, then it was 8 to 1, 6 to 1 and for June it was 1.7 to 1. And again if that's not a system seller then I wonder what is...
I may be new to this site, but I have noticed you tend to troll alot of news from the PS3 section. While you are defending a plastic box on an internet gaming website, I will be playing one of the most captivating video games ever. Goodbye.
It was a system seller, maybe the sales increase wasn't in the millions, but it did increase the sales from May to June.
I think its safe to say that Japan arent intersted in Next Gen. I mean first they were waiting for PS3 price cut , then it was Yakuza 3 , then it was DMC4 then MGS4. What are they waiting for now ? FF13 ? Maybe , but the PS3 IS an atractive machine today unlike in 2007 so maybe they just dont care. And 360 ? Well...you know the story. Maybe in Japan they just dont need what Westerners think is important : power , graphics , online etc. So the Wii fits thm perfectly.
You are lying I'v been visiting all the big news for the last 4 days sence I'v been allowed back in the gamerzone lol.
That commetn has no basis beyond blatant fanboyism. Keep believing...
The stupidity of the internet continues to amaze me. The guy's logic (who wrote this article, if you could even call it that) is moronic beyond belief. So according to his logic, MGS4 is not a system seller because it didnt make the PS3 outsell the Wii in Japan. Well did Halo 3 make 360 outsell the Wii in Japan, or how about Gears? Or any other game on either system for that matter? (and dont talk to me about one month here or there either). This guy is a total idiot!
how about this, its just not a good idea to release system selling games in the summer. and take the fact that the PS3 is still selling at a high price. MGS4 did spiked sales for a while.
the game also had a "BUNDLE" which would help move consoles. I think the game sold well but exactly how many units did it really move? Minus the 80 gig bundles? Plus the game is taking a Sharp drop, so some of what you say is right about the summer..etc
yup forgot about those bundles, if these consoles were aboundant out there, we wouldnt be hearing crap like this.
During the holidays, you'll see MGS4 sales rise again.
on a system with only 2 million in japan, in the middle of the summer thats pretty good if you ask me. Look for mgs4 to have long legs in america/europe where the ps3 is bigger since you know it will be the game everyone buys when they buy a ps3
This isn't the case though since it did move a good amount of units. Its just not a system seller with long legs. We saw a spike in the first week of sales with 80k. The week after, 20k. Last week was 18k. It clearly sold systems. The sales spike didn't last though.
MGS4 will still have decent Christmas sales #s. Goulet
MGS4 isnt a system seller period the only reason the PS3 saw a boost in the US is cause people wanted the 80GB system, the game was just a bonus. Its a game for the hardcore only and thoses people got a PS3 at launch
What are you talking about not a system seller a lot of people bought the 40gigs especially with 100 dollar gift cards that were offered when you bought a ps3 just to play MGS4. You could barely find a gamestop or ebgames that had a system on the shelf after the game released" gamestop or ebgames which is same"
MGS4>>>Any wii & 360 game period. Yeah sales dont show how great a game is, its those who played it and witnessed the best game to come out this next gen. Anyone want to prove me wrong. I have over 100 reviews that gave the game a perfect score, to back up not only my claim and million of other mgs fans but also legendary kojima san and his amazing staff. :)
Saying "MGS4MGS4>>>Any wii & 360 game period" is an opinion not a fact.......and to show how bias your opinion is, you would have done better by saying that "MGS4>>>Any wii, 360 game period or other ps3 game". But for the sake of argument lets say that MGS4 is the best game....now is it better to own a console with the best game and hardly no other games...with some being subpar.....or a console that has a lot of games that are average and better?
then Mario galaxy got higher ratings.
well for one thing I dont remember Clintos ever saying that his opinion was a fact. Second thing, by metacritics scores the PS3 has the highest rated games of any console And yeah this is my opinion, but mario galaxy sucked balls.
gears of war 1.mass effect,halo 3,bioshock are all better than mgs4.
Then you must have ate quite a few bean burritos. Mario Galaxy was amazing.
Well I guess it makes it a good thing that nobody said that Clintos said that it was a fact. The point is that it does not move things along when comments are so biased..I am not on Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo's payroll......so I have no need to blindly support them.
And how many reviews did mario galaxy get? MGS4 so far has more then 200+ reviews and 180+ of those reviews agree it is AAA-AAAA. So come to me when mario galaxy is being reviewed by more then 200+ reviewers around the world. That just shows how much an impact mgs4 is even if it doesnt sell as well as mario games. Heck even most of the reviews say it is the best next gen game out right now and is one of the greatest games of all time. Heres a list for u of reviews I have been keeping track of mgs4. 103 Perfect Scores As of Now And Updating. 1.Gamespot (US) Review: 10/10 2.IGN (US) Review: 10/10 3.Gameplayer Review: 10/10 4.Gamespot (UK) Review: 10/10 5.AceGamez Review: 10/10 6.X-Play Review: 5/5 7.ME Gamers Review: 10/10 8.Play Magazine Review: 10/10 9.Calgary Herald Review: 5/5 10.Empire Review: 5/5 11.Famitsu Review: 40/40 12.Console Monster Review: 100/100 13.LEVEL (Sweden): Review: 10/10 14.ReelGamers.com Review: 10/10 15.The Lone Gamer Review: 5/5 16.Sl!ceGaming Review: 10/10 17.Sci Fi Weekly Review: 10/10 18.Fonzation Review: 5/5 19.Giant Bomb Review: 5/5 20.Thunderbolt Games Review: 10/10 21. 360-Entertainment Review: 10/10 22.BG Review: 5/5 23.Dubious Review: 100/100 24.Loot Ninja Review: 10/10 25.Kikizo Review: 10/10 26.Fox News Gamers Weekly Review: 5/5 27.PSU Review: 10/10 28.PSX Extreme Review: 10/10 29.Pocket-Lint Review: 10/10 30.PST Review: 100/100 31.PlayStation Beyond Review: 10/10 32.PTOM (USA) Review: 10/10 33.Meristation Review: 10/10 34.GamePro Review: 5/5 35.PlayStationLifeStyle.net Review: 10/10 36.PSM Italy Review: 10/10 37.UK Official Playstation Magazine Review: 10/10 38.Game Informer Review: 10/10 39.Player TV UK Review: 10/10 40.Kombo Review: 10/10 41.Rise of Games Review: 100/100 42.TheSixthAxis Review: 10/10 43.Lawrence.com Review: 100/100 44.QJ.Net Review: 5/5 45.GamingAge Review: 10/10 46.Hooked Gamers Review: 10/10 47.get2sammyb.co.uk Review: 10/10 48.Digital Chumps Review: 10/10 49.LoadingReality.com Review: 10/10 50.SCRAWL Review: 10/10 51.Geekscribe Review: 5/5 52.Consolenauts Review: 5/5 53.Lazygamer Review: 10/10 54.PELAAJA MAGAZINE Review: 10/10 55.PS MANIA 3.0 Review: 5/5 56.Gamesdog Review: 10/10 57.411 Mania Review: 10/10 58.ZTGD Review: 10/10 59.Vtunnel Review: 10/10 60. 666 Review: 10/10 61.MSN UK Review: 10/10 62.Gamernode Review: 10/10 63.Techtree Review: 5/5 64.GameArena Review: 10/10 65.Spin Cookie Review: 10/10 66.Digital Spy Review: 5/5 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10/10 102.JcOnline Review: 4/4 103.JustPressPlay Review: 10/10 Four 9.9 Reviews As of Now And Updating. 1.XboxOZ360 Review: 9.9/10 2.Wonderwallweb Review: 9.9/10 3.IGN: UK Review: 9.9/10 4,Spong Review: 99/100 Eight 9.8 Reviews As of Now And Updating. 1.VG-Reloaded Review: 98/100 2.Strategy Informer Review: 9.8/10 3.Geeks At Large Review: 9.8/10 4.The Citizen Review: 98/100 5.PS3Blog Review: 9.8/10 6.Gamer 2.0 Review: 9.8/10 7.GamePlasma Review: 9.8/10 8.Game Freaks 365 Review: 9.8/10 Two 9.7 Reviews As of Now And Updating. 1.Gamesmaster Review: 97/100 2.Chief (Belgium) Review: 9.7/10 Seven 9.6 Reviews As of Now And Updating. 1.Dutch OPM Review: 96/100 2.Hobby Consolas Review: 9.6/10 3.Azstarnet Review: 9.6/10 4.SonyPS3News Review: 9.6/10 5.Cheat Code Central Review: 4.8/5 6.Atomic Gamer Review: 9.6/10 7.3D Juegos (Spanish) Review: 9.6/10 Twentytwo 9.5 Reviews As of Now And Updating. 1.TT Gamer Review: 9.5/10 2.Playfrance Review: 9.5/10 3.CVG Review: 9.5/10 4.Maxi Consolas (Portugal) Review: 9.5/10 5.IGN [Australia] Review: 9.5/10 6.GamersReports Review: 9.5/10 7.Destructoid Review: 9.5/10 8.Gameshark Review: 9.5/10 9.Gamezone Review: 9.5/10 10.Gameplanet Review: 9.5/10 11.The Sun Gizmo Review: 9.5/10 12.NJ Review: 9.5/10 13.TotalPlaystation Review: 9.5/10 14.VGC Review: 9.5/10 15.Platform Nation Review: 9.5/10 16.Game Revolution Review: 9.5/10 17.PALGN Review: 9.5/10 18.ToxicShock Review: 9.5/10 19.DailyGame Review: 9.5/10 20.Brantford Expositor Review: 9.5/10 21.TPS TotalPlaystation (formerly PSX2.com) Review: 9.5/10 22.Da Gameboyz Review: 9.5/10 Five 9.4 Reviews As of Now And Updating. 1.Gamers Universe Review: 9.4/10 2.PSM3(Portuguese) Review: 94/100 3.Gamepire Review: 94/100 4.Gamed.nl Review: 9.4/10 5.VicioJeugos (Spain) Review: 9.4/10 Thirtyfour Reviews With The Score of Inbetween 9.0 to 9.3 As of Now And Updating. 1.Gametrailers Review: 9.3/10 2.Casualgamer Review: 9.2/10 3.Associated Content Review: 91/100 4.Gamereactor Review: 9/10 5.PC Advisor Review: 4.5/5 6.Joypad (France) Review: 19/20 7.Gamesradar Review: 9/10 8.HardGame2 Review: 9/10 9.EliteGamer (Spain) Review: 9/10 10.VideoGamer Review: 9/10 11.1up Review: 9/10 12.GameSpy Review: 4.5/5 13.UGO Review: 9/10 14.GWN Review: 9/10 15.TrustedReviews Review: 9/10 16.TGR Review: 9/10 17.Gamersvision Review: 9/10 18.Gameargus Review: 4.5/5 19.Game Target Review: 9/10 20.Gamecell UK Review: 9/10 21.Gamer.tm Review: 9/10 22.Swedish Gamereactor Review: 9/10 23.GameAndPlayer Review: 4.5/5 24.ConsoleCreatures Review: 9/10 25.GameAndPlayer Review: 9/10 26.Gaming Target Review: 9/10 27.Games Weasel Review: 9/10 28.Contra Costa Times Review: 9/10 29.TCpalm Review: 4.5/5 30.USA Today Review: 9/10 31.ContactMusic Review: 9/10 32.Vindy Review: 9/10 33.Console Gameworld Review: 9/10 34.A.V. Club Review: 9/10 Five Reviews With Scores Inbetween 8.1 to 8.9 As of Now And Updating. 1.Los Angelas Times Review: 8.9/10 2.NZgamer Review: 8.5/10 3.JeuxVideo.FR Review: 8.5/10 4.Tomsgames Review: 8.5/10 5.Netjak Review: 8.1/10 Fourteen Reviews With Ratings of 8.0 and Under As of Now and Updating. 1.Eurogamer: 8/10 2.Edge: 8/10 3.TVG Review: 8/10 4.GamesTM: 8/10 5.GameDaily Review: 8/10 6.Boomtown Review: 8/10 7.Only The Games Review: 4/5 8.Play TM Review: 8/10 9.Jolt UK Review: 8/10 10.GameCritics.com Review: 8/10 11.Ferrago Review: 8/10 12.HonestGamer Review: 8/10 13.monstersandcritics.com Review: 79/100 14.Free Paper Review: 6/10 204 Reviews As of Right Now And Updating. And there are still more reviews coming in. Tell me when mario galaxy ever reaches this many reviews, till then ill stick with what most reviews say, that this is a masterpiece and the best next gen game thus far and has set the bar for this next gen, and is one of the greatest games of all time. :)
Not only is posting like that Spam, but its IDIOTIC. I bought Metal Gear solid 4 and Mario Galaxy. You are a FANBOY. Post in the god damn Open Zone. Jesus f'in Christ.
Your the idiot trying to tell me super mario galaxy>>MGS4. Dont kid yourself. Mario is awesome but mario galaxy didnt set no standards or bars and isnt mentioned to be the best next gen game. So go cry nintendo a river. And call me a fanboy all u want but I own all 3 systems u tard head. http://s305.photobucket.com... The wii is an awesome system but it has no games that come close to the level of MGS4 period. Thats the honest truth. Now be gone haterz.
And you sir, are a Fannnnnnbooiiiii. I Didn't say Mario Galaxy > MGS4. I said MGS4 is the not the highest rated game of all time or anything. It ranks #61 out of All games total, and #4 on Playstation 3 in terms of Review scores, according to gamerankings.com I was simply pointing out that review scores did not justify it as the "Greatest game ever", although it's highly enjoyable, and to me, a reason to own a Ps3.
And if we really want to go by reviews why dont we go with the most popular gaming site and most trust worthy gaming site on the internet. IGN US MGS4 Review: 10/10 IGN US Mario Galaxy Review: 9.7/10 There u have it, from the most trust worthy game site on the net. Dont get me wrong, super mario galaxy is a great game, but mgs4 isnt just a great game, its a game that has set the bar for many years to come and is considered the best game this next gen for any system. Just watch the IGN video review, as he quotes. "MGS4 doesnt just set the bar, it obliterates it." Dats all I had to hear and that was his opening comments on the game. Nuff said. Like I said call me a fanboy all u want, and if u are saying an MGS4 fanboy then yes I am but it doesnt take a genius to know what game out of MGS4 and Mario Galaxy brings more to the table. Its a no brainer. MGS4 hands down smacks dat rehashing plummer man to the curve with some real next gen gaming expirience. :)
I don't think it sold half as well as Halo 3 did... of course it isn't a system seller. Sony might as well pack it in, in Japan
360 sales had a big spike in the month of September, and then leveled off again. The term "System Seller" is really one of the most ridiculous terms conjured up by the industry. No game on its own is going to drive millions of people to purchase a console for 6 months straight, contrary to what analysts believe. It's the current and future software library that sells systems. Great example is the PS3, which has seen its sales consistently increase as its library improves and expands. Same thing happened to the 360 in 2006. It's a pretty simple formula.
Microsoft might as well pack it in, in Japan. ZING! see how i made a comment just the same as yours but mine is actually true?
How come you don't say the obvious for Xbox 360? Edit: Kazuma, you beat me to it. +
Well, Japan sucks for the PS3. They're in love with the Wii. Make a Goobi Doobie Nashikobi Part 12 game on the PS3 and it'll sell like a Wii.
...Two words. F*CK YOU. This game was a top seller in Japan. Oh, a disagree? Mind giving me a reason why? This game did sell pretty well in Japan. This article is a bit misleading because the MGS series is very popular in Japan.
geez, are you ok juuken? And you don`t care about the dissagrees, they are useless. MGS is popular in Japan, just not the crazy seller some people may have thought it would be, just a pretty good seller. Bottom line, it is an amazing game. And that`s all that matters.
I think he got the 2.4 syndrome... this is the reason why he is twitching and cursing like there is no tomorrow... Seriously dude take a break... just plug the PS3 HD to the PC and format it... download a previous firmware... and don't forget to take your medication... and once you feel better... just have another look to my avatar... lol. and no... system was not a system seller in japan.. get over it...
Bladestar you fanboys seem to forget the problems the 360 had with updates. http://community.winsupersi... This is just one that I remember. Oh btw, I don't know of any PS3 owner who had problems with 2.4 and I know of at least 37 people with them living near me and all have downloaded it. Edit for Montrealien: Yeah I know there is a problem for a very few people, but its not as wide spread as fanboys make it out to be.
juuken taking stuff personal now eh?
So what you`re saying digger, is that based on your point of view, since you don`t know anybody that has had the problem, 37 for that matter. It does not exist? That`s flawed reasoning if you ask me, I mean Sony has recognisee the problem, the least you can do is acknowledge that fact that there was a problem, no matter how many people you know that have not had it. I have not had a problem either, but I am not so dense as to ignore it, Sony has`nt, you should`nt either.
Montrealien, exactly! Sony recognized that there was a problem with 2.4, which is why they took it down right away to fix it. What pisses ME off is that 360 fanatics are blowing this way out of proportion, as if it's such an epidemic that nothing could be fixed. They need to get the hell over themselves and seriously, if they have so many freakin' games on the 360...THEN WHY AREN'T THEY PLAYING THEM! Give it a bloody rest already. The 360 had it's share of update problems as well! Come off it!
YEah, but fanatics on eitherside will blow anything out of proportion either way, the trick is not to let it effect you. When I flip out in this place it is on the general craziness of the whole fanboy thing, and even i let the spur of the moment get to me, which it should`nt. I love my ps3 and my 360 and what pisses me off is that when one problem come to light on either consoles, people start pissing on the other one, I like both and know they both have good things and bad things and I`m here to remind you all that it is about the games. one love, games... *pulls tissue out* *sniff, sniff* I love you all, even the pricks...
You're absolutely right. Speaking of games, I finally got FFX. I have to get used to the combat system because I haven't played an FF game in a while. Oh, and I restarted Sigma and I want to play MGS4. I'm also getting my 360 very soon for Ninja Gaiden 2 and a few rpg's. But that doesn't mean I won't stop defending Sony and the PS3. They've screwed up a couple of times but it takes mistakes to actually learn lessons. I have no doubt in my mind that Sony will learn from their mistakes and deliver the best experience they can give with the PS3. I'm not giving up on them. They're the reason why I got into gaming in the first place, along with Nintendo. *pats you* Don't cwy. You'll make juukie cwy too. ;~; And 4D, you wanna talk about blind loyalty? You and the rest of the 360 fanatics are just as blind towards Microsoft. You hear about the RROD still being an issue, you claim that Microsoft fixed the issue when even the Falcon Chip systems have problems as well. You hear that Microsoft isn't doing well in Japan. You claim that Sony isn't doing so well either. I could go on and on about it. How about YOU stop being so blind towards Microsoft for a change? And very cute about the Midol comment. I'm actually feeling much better thank you. I love how you assumed I was angry because of the 2.4 update. Actually, the 2.4 update worked fine for me. I just feel bad for people who had the issue first of all. I'm angry because of personal issues. But most of my angry goes towards people like you. And Ken, thanks for your support! :) You are absolutely right as well!
Their Sh*t out of date console(well it's just a P.C)is going NOWHERE!!! ;-D And they get all upset because of 2.40 update!!!(they KNOW when it's complete xBURN 360 is DEAD) The update IS WORKING for me and all the People i know! They truly are VERMIN!!!(+i'm not saying normal xBox 360 people are just the VILE ones who talk cr*p on this!) p.s F**K my Bubbles to! ;-D I KNOW they all message each other and gang up on people on this for a fact!!! @juuken ;) Maybe you should do what i'm starting to do... i.e Next to their 'Avatar' press 'Ignore' and you won't have to read their sh*t ever again!!! BLISS!!! Try it!;) They are NOT worth it
Sir_Ken... Bliss, Crazy, whatever you call it, you nutcase!! lol ;-D
You can have a bubble back because you speak the truth
I thought after what i said i'd have 1 Bubble left!!! ;-D @DavidMacDougall ;) Bubbles for you and all PlayStation fans;) @Montrealien ;) I'm Crazy i think! er erm;)
its a system seller but it did not move as much system they tought it will do, y i dont know but all i know is the wii will contunie to out sell the ps3, i really dont know y the wii has this much sucsess. im still suprised =I
Ok if that's that case then why did the PS3 sell over 80000 units in Japan in the week that MGS4 came out. The week before they only sold about 10000 units.
Everyone was expecting 100,000 easily, it didn't happen.
u have a point, but after that week sales went down alot.u expect a big AAA game to help out sell ur nearest rival for at least a couple of weeks if not months but mgs4 could not help the ps3 do that, after week one of out selling the wii the wii bounced back and out sold it again which is not really a good thing.
How many of those people who bought Halo 3 do you assume already owned a 360? exactly. The same could be said about mgs4. People assume a system seller to be a game that sells 5million consoles. The limited edition bundles were sold, as well as a sh1tload of 80g's. I think thats pretty good. Summer sales are always slow . Its only been 2 1/2 weeks for focks-sake give it some time!
Does it look like I care If it sells systems or not?
i cant tell.... Why? because i cant see your face.
Top seller in Japan for a week.
the PS3 was averaging 8 - 10 thousand a week. when MGS released it sold 80+ thousand which then sank to 20 + thousand and now it's at 18 thousand... that to me suggests that MGS SOLD consoles
not a top seller? +660% PS3 sold in the first 2 days.
That doesnt Make any since
but japanese gamers are a weird bunch. Anyways i think MGs4 did it's job and we'll see proof of that in the next NPD
lol I know your sort of kidding, but hey the japanese are cool. After all the Japanese MADE metal gear. lol.
Funny thing is... according to Media Crate and Famitsu (official data), MGS4 hasnt sold a million in Japan. And when NPD come, you will know that it hasn't sold a million here in USA. And the hardware will not be above 350,000 in June NPD. *I just bookmarked this comment.
made the game. It's just a game that appeals to Americans. Although, what I like about Metal Gear, is that, it's almost like an American styled game with those Crazy addictive Japanese elements.
no it had to sell a million so far. It sold a million in europe and it has a smaller base. I love MGS for its stealth, thinking man's plot, and wacky gameplay and plot twists that only a "wierd" Japanese could make. Go Nippon!
It was a system seller. It sold over 500,000 copies in two days and it made the ps3 out sell the wii two weeks in a row. Thats a system seller something that 360 never did in japan I believe. It pushed some serious hardware sales in a short time. It actually sold more than I thought it would. I knew it would sell well alot of games, but not consoles. Just wait when final fantasy 13 comes out honestly. PSP was all but dead, but not it out sells the DS every week since crisis core and monster hunter. RPG's and wacky party games keep sales up.