Wii's unstoppable momentum, the PS3's hidden casual gamer install base, and the X360's last hope, the Newton? An article before E3, because after E3 the console war may change directions.
Sales only judge the console war in one way. If you judge the consoles by superior quality and an ultimate gaming experience you have go with PS3.
Seems like that is NOT so "fanboyish" to say anymore. Because it`s becoming true`r(?) everyday.
you might be able to say that into first quarter of 09 but no reason for that claim other then MGS4 right now....which is great but not enough to downplay other systems
I agree with everything this guy says in article. Except the only thing is there is always an outside chance the Wii not be in 1st place, but it is unlikely. Wii unstoppable PS3 able to tap into the casual market 360 games cater to the hardcore I agree with that.
When it's clearly meant for the open zone.
Please. Price has to be considered. More Focus' sell than BMW M3's. Does that make the M3 inferior? There are more standard def TVs sold than HD tvs. Does that make standard better? Of course not.
Things have gone from..... "The 360 is best thing EVER made, despite RROD" To now, where it`s common knowledge within the industry that "the 360 needs to be saved from death" It`s pretty funny stuff. All I gotta say is simply.....I told you so. BTW, I`m going to go buy another 360 soon, I`ll probaly rarely play it unless KOTOR3 comes out , and I`m NOT getting XBL again. I just wanta play it in 15 years from now, to remember all the good times I`ve had here @ N4G.
No console is near death. Even if the 360 lost its momentum and didn't come out with something amazing the only thing that might happen is the console sales will slow down. Despite that, the user base is still incredible and there are many people buying games. Everyone completely disregards all the people that already have the Xbox 360 and will continue to buy new games preventing the so called "death" of the 360.
Dude you can't even use capital letters. I mean I have bad spelling and all and we all make a mistake now and then, but come on... Anyway, HD is a fanboy, but what sets him apart is that he doesn't care. He's not offended when someone calls him a fanboy because it's nothing new. What would you do if I called you a fanboy? I'll answer for you: You'd get all flustered and start calling me a fanboy and telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. Why do you take some much offense from people who don't agree with you? I'm a Seahawk fan, am I going to get offended when some one roots for the Raiders? No. That they're personal opinion, They can like the Raiders all they want. Likewise, They can say that the Seahawk's suck all they want as well. We'll just see who ends up in the playoffs this year...
is that the best you could manage?? who cares about capital letters on a site where most can't even spell??? but, i suppose, the sony defense force has to look after one another.
"you cant even use capital letters??? a classic is that the best you could manage?? who cares about capital letters on a site where most can't even spell??? but, i suppose, the sony defense force has to look after one another." While I agree that many people may post without using a spell check and that you can ignore capital letters while still getting the basic meaning of your post across, it still doesn't change the fact that using capital letters and the correct spelling of words can increase the likelihood that other people will read and understand what you write. It's definitely pointless/wrong to try to win an argument with grammar, but why not try to communicate well? It's not that hard to press the shift key after all. On topic: Who cares who wins the console war anyway? Do we really want the game industry to be a monopoly? Who would that help?
all the stuff the article saids is pretty much true.
Why is the Wii crushing PS3 then, why are ps3 sales percentages falling and the 360's rising?. PS3 has had AAA's released for the last 3 or 4 months?, how is the 360 haning in there with no games being released? all with out being in the DVD player market. This rubbish article is a tabloid quality take from who? with poor a understanding of what is going on in depth. "Sales only judge the console war in one way. If you judge the consoles by superior quality and an ultimate gaming experience you have go with PS3." ^^^ That logic suggests the 360 is killing the competition as well. I think that is why MSFT wins that battle that counts the most in this day and age. MSFT murders the competition when it comes to revenue and support from the devs etc hence my take on the "If you judge the consoles by superior quality and an ultimate gaming experience" remark proving your understanding/opinion of the "superior quality and an ultimate gaming experience" is wrong based on how all the consoles are performing over all.
I would be if I were you.
Hold on a minute PoG, the worldwide sale of PS3 is outselling the 360 since last november. I don't get what u mean.
Only POG gets what he means, not even 360 fans get what he means anymore.
there's so many games coming out this year. holy crap.
I have a hard time understanding what pog is trying to say. Every time he opens his mouth, he's spewing some gibberish that only his followers can fully understand. It's like reading a bunch of coherent sentences lumped over each, which in turn became incoherent.
Maybe you should be an analysis going in depth of the economy between the console wars since you dont even make sense.
I like your optimism! Keep your head up little guy. Your console will do it! /sarcasm
you never even mention that. Especially in Japan. 360 sales rising? It's the cheaper of the two. I should hope it would sell more. If a gamer can't afford a console do you really think an uninformed parent is going to opt for a console that's 100 plus dollars more (talking the core version). Quality? A system that is prone to hardware malfunction is being touted as quality? Too funny.
Ps3 is out selling the 360 in every territory and soon they will catch up
to HIT PS2 status..... -GOW3 -FF13 to name a few.
...and Killzone 2 don't forget. Edit: and for 1.1 "more true" is how I think you should have put it...lol
But I just try to keep my "name drops" short and to the point.
LOL. I'm willing to bet this is how you know PS3 is winning without question every week/month. http://n4g.com/xbox360/News...
Did you look down?
What POG means is that the ps3 in terms of Sales is hardly setting the world alight and its only just outselling the 360 despite the so called "2008 is the year of the ps3", with the massive lead the xbox 360 has over the ps3 in terms of total harware sales its going to be a long time before the ps3 is supposed to catch up and between now and then the 360 is going to have price drops where as Sony cant afford for the ps3 to have any price drops (not in the near future anyway). No matter how you look at this Gen, Sony has lost this console war, the wii is taking the p1ss out of both (no pun intended) and MS have shown many many people there is another console out there, Sony was banking (arrogantly) that the ps3 would do as well as the ps1 and ps2, but guess what, it hasnt and wont. Now you can disagree all you want, sh1t you can even take all my bubbles away but it wont change the fact that what i am saying is true One last thing, i find it quite amusing how because you have ONE AAA game out, the ps3 has better games than the 360...
I also was making two points 1)VG-Charts as an tracker is often wrong hence the posting the link when it is known I hate VGC.. 2)PS3 winning by only 28 thousnad a week "sometimes" is hardly a sign of Sony magically beating MSFT in 6 to 8 years it would really take depending on the sales spikes here and there. Don't mind HighDefinition he has a personal vendetta against me he knew what I was saying.
Were not talking about the heatlh of Sony. Were talking about the PS3. Next generation I might just buy the next xbox if it is better. PS3 will be 2nd place by the end of 2009. And your denying the fact that MGS4 bundle is sold out. Sony said they won't get the bundles out until early July which is rough July 3rd so we will see in July 10th. THere's also a 360 price cut. Sony/Konami did drop the ball as far as not supplying enough units. Despite being more expensive, not enough 80gb units, and mainly 40gb units the PS3 still managed to outsell the 360. Eventually the premium 360 and the low end PS3 will be the same price in this generation and that is gonna shift more sales to the PS3.
Sales spike comes from the games. PS3 has one must have game and that is MGS4 so far, and sill manages to out sell the 360 in a monthly basis since the beginning 2008. Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy are bigger system sellers than MGS4 so they will spike both Japan and Europe. The Japanese will cave in soon and pretty soon the Japanese install base will the differenc of 10 million units which is enough for the PS3 to overtake he 360 worldwie. Because the 360 still has what 1 million and that is gonna stay that way no matter what.
i though mgs4 was the BIG HIT title that was gonna destroy the 360?..lol next it will be resistance, then killzone2, the god of war and then ff! pretty soon you lot are gonna run out of games that are gonna be the 360's destroyer! HighDefinition: i know it's hard for fanboys like you to swallow, and that you live in denial, but the ps3 will never ever be a ps2! just look at the sales figures! the wii might sell like one, but not the ps3. it must really hurt when you see the figures every month. and especially when the "dead console will still be leading your saviour well into 09, and could even stretch into 10 aswell!) timmyrulz: bubbles for you. the fanboys will ignore what you've said, although it's totally true. sony expected another runaway success! instead, they are languishing in third, getting pulverised at home by nintendo, double penetrated in NA and only europe is giving them something to smile about. it's hard to believe how far sony have fallen. johnmadden: you're rite about the sale spike! but if sony, and it's fanboys want to start having something to brag and truely smile about, they need to start selling wii like figures from now til the ps4. that's what the ps1 and ps2 did...left the starting block, and sold like the wii did from the beginning. i dont know how you think that japan will suddenly "cave in" and put the ps3 at 10mil there?! it averages 9k a week in japan..lol. even nintendo with it's sales figures isn't there yet. sony need a miracle for that to happen.
I never said MGS4 was gonna be the main factor in taking down the 360. And it doesn't need a "sales spike". Last year PS3 outsold 360 despite the 360 having Halo 3, Bioshock, and Mass Effect. This year the PS3 has more games then it did last year and 360 has less quality games compared to last year. Keep in mind there is only a 5 million install base lead by the 360 right now. That really isn't much, so sales spike isn't needed as far PS3 trying to overtake 360. Gradual increase in sales is enough. 10 million unit sales that is my exaggeraion if we are talking about 2009, but just look at PS3 it has no rpgs. The Japanese centric games that they like righ now are DMC4, MGS4(not as much as america likes this), and Hot Shots Golf. RE5, FFXIII, Gran Turismo 5, and White Knight Story are all better selling franchises in Japan historically. Those are no doubt going to increase PS3 sales in Japan.
i never said you was one of those saying that mgs would destroy the 360. anyway. you exaggerated with something else my friend. sony last week came out and said that the ps3 is at 12.5mil units sold. and a couple of months ago the 360 was at 19mil units sold. so going by them figures, the ps3 is roughly 7mil units behind the 360. not that i care, but i know people on here love figures, so it's best to try and give them something accurste me thinks.
Timmyrulz doesn't understand what is a system seller.
First of all i had to bring MGS4 into the discussion cause i am a PS3 fan and I know you will use that as arguement against me sooner or later. Main reason why I talked about MGS4 is because that difference between this year and last year. PS3 didn't have a system seller like MGS4. As far as accuracy there really isn't an "accurate" source since no one can knows the exact number of sales and that would also depend on the source. VG chartz even though they're estimates they're consistent in finding system numbers sold. When Sony and Microsoft come out say they're "sales" you don't know if they say systems sold or shipped. And most importantly you just said 360 sold this months ago and Sony said this weeks ago so the time difference also makes them not comparable. It's 19.54 compared 13.84 according to vg chartz. Not 5 million but let's say 6 million I give you that advantage. PS3 outsold 360 last year. What makes you think PS3 won't shorten the gap this year and combine that with next year. PS3 isn't always gonna stay a 9,000 selling system per week matter fact it jumped to 18,000 units despite the MGS4 bundle shortage. 18,000? I know your laughing at that, but it's a start. A sales spike like the Wii isn't necessary once again since the Wii already outdid Nitendo's expectations. It already a 9 million unit lead despite being a year younger with 28.46 compared to 19.54. I've already listed my reasons why I think the PS3 sales will gradually increase in Japan above.
I love how everyone spins this stuff out of control. I have a PS3. I can't afford to get a 360. I guess you could call me a Sony fan, but I had an xbox last generation too--bought it for NG. Is there some place I can go to get a list of the guidelines for this war? If there isn't, then how can anyone moan about how one or the other console is winning? The real fact is that none of us will know who "wins" the current console war until a few years after the generation of machines after this one comes out. Then we can all look back at all of these stupid arguments and wonder why we were so upset that someone else liked GeOW more than RFoM. I'm glad there's competition between the companies because it means that Sony is working extra hard to improve. I'm sure Microsoft is too. The only real losers are the people who are too concerned with the number of consoles the competition is selling to enjoy the games. It's fine to be interested in the numbers and the console war. But why is it such a personal war for some of you? By the way, if I had to make a prediction I would say that all 3 are going to come out much closer to one another this generation. Yeah! Everyone will get good games, but I guess that doesn't matter...right?
i just hope that reggie guy aint there
o u know he will be lol
is that because of your pic? not cool
o never noticed the gamer pic yea that isnt cool man Howdy is right....get rid of that crap
the 360 boys are so ashamed their wearing sheets over their heads!
I know we're all on the internet, but come on... But I have to agree Reggie gets on my nerves. And change the pic come on...
It is expected that the PS3 will eventually pass the 360....really why wouldnt it?? Its gonna have some great games in the next year and has a blu ray player which....it is the best deal for a blu ray so its not just selln to gamers and it did have a much larger install base... Ah well the wii and the 360 have done what they were suppose to do which is slow down sony and they have and have helped make them lose money and do price cuts really quick which in the long run will hurt sony.... But all in all yes the PS3 will pass the 360....the Wii no...not until a new nintendo is out...but its only a matter of time that the PS3 will take the 360s spot especially with the 360 having a hard time in many countrys especially Japan.....but its good to see that all systems are doing well and will spawn new systems down the road
Talk about poorly written, no factual information at all. Xbox 360 no more appealing then the original xbox? ROFL, ton's of million sellers and a install base that will eclipse xbox's total lifespan a year faster is not more appealing? I don't expect much from little big planet, it'll probably be critically acclaimed but i don't see it getting any bigger then Chu Chu Rocket did for the dreamcast. This is definately a generation not determined by the quality of it's game library or the wii would be last and the 360 would be running away with it. But it's kind of microsoft's fault for having such a broken hardware. At least the games kick ass though and are worth playing no matter what you gotta go through. In terms of engaging gameplay experiences, 360 looks to be the best way to go this generation unless you favor mostly interactive movies like MGS and FF. I definately wouldn't sleep on FF and MGS or God of War but to say the ps3 has the best games is absurb. After playing through MGS4 it is back to collecting dust on my shelf along with the Wii. I've never had this problem with a Playstation system, theirs always been games i could play but this time around SONY has dropped the ball and don't even get me started on the soccer mom sensation Wii.
what game is so good on the 360 that you are still playing over and over again? 360 has great games and so does the THREE, games are games even the best of them get old after you beat them a few times! MGS4 has so much replay value its crazy, trying to get the new facecamos, guns, stealth camo, bandanna,and mgo is way more then just a multiplayer add on its an official game of its own. A good game to boot! gimmie your mgo id and i'll add you to my friends and we can go pop some fools!
yes, that was poorly written amateurish blog. Shouldn't have been approved.
sony dropped the ball? reli? ok well see bout that homeboy.
Nice spin there I can play the same game too. 360 will be 3rd this generation. The xbox 1 was 2nd last generation. So the 360 actually did worst this generation.
We still have the almighty Gears Of War 2 on the way and people are acting like 2008 is the last year for the 360.The 360 still has atleast 5 years to go which has came out MS mouth.I like the PS3 and own one but I just dont find it great as a game system.I mean the XMB (stole from the japanese PS2 aka PSX and from PSP) trophies (stole the idea from the 360.I mean even the logo is stolen from spiderman (lol) and I wont even speak on the design.I think E3 is gonna be a great show cant wait.
"XMB (stole from the japanese PS2 aka PSX and from PSP) " Wow, you can steel from yourself now? That's quite the accomplishment.
"The 360 still has alot left in it" WTF?!. The 360 is just like any other console of this generation when it comes what it has left lol. Sony had just won a format war dropped the price 3 times in one year and just had 3 or 4 AAA's released in the last 3 or 4 months when its competition had non(Sony did in a year and a half what most companies do over 5 years to spark console sales the same thing will happen when the NIN/Wii and MSFT/360 go all out). The 360 has huge games coming and more of them. WTF are you talking about?.
the sad thing is the fact that Sony wont drop the price any lower this year and they are still outselling MS. They should drop it once more so there would be no competition period.
You xbox owners need to understand what a system seller is. Gears of War 2 is not a system seller. And I have a great example why Gears of War 2 is not a system seller. Remember the xbox 1 you owned. There was Halo 1 and 2 one of the fastest selling games in history, but Halo 1 was the game that sold xbox 1s not Halo 2. And xbox 1 was only able to sell around 25 million units worldwide. A system seller is a game that draws a lot sales from an audience that doesn't currently own the system. Gears 2 caters to the Gears 1 crowd. Gears 1 was a system seller not Gears 2. Another example God of War 2, MGS3, FFXII did not sell systems. However God of War 1, MGS2(the first MGS game on PS2), and FFX are all system sellers. Gosh some of you N4G users here have thick skulls.
so anybody thats intrested in MGS4 already has a PS3 which means we shouldn't expect high sales? right?
What are the 3 or 4 AAA titles your talking about? And did you forget about SSB or NG2? MS and Nintendo are are putting up a fight just fine The sad thing is that your halfway right MS and Nintendo don't have that good of a line up this summer. Good thing I got a PS3 too :) MGS4 was the sh*t! Oh, and what were those games you were talking about?
PS3 is outselling the 360 on a small scale. they are both neck in neck with the PS3 outselling the 360 by about 50,000+ units average worldwide. At the end of the year, expect the Gap to widen, and I mean Huge. the PS3 has abilities that the 360 doesnt have, not to mention it has freatures that 360 already has for the online service, but its for FREE. LBP and Resistance 2 has been hyped to become system sellers, not to mention SOCOM as well. Resistance 2 caters to the Hardcore crowd, LBP caters to Both Crowds, not to mention the young crowd as well.
Neither the Wii or PS3 keep me playing it. FREE doesn't mean nothing if SONY doesn't let anyone know. They have done a horrible job of marketing and informing the public about their online service.
Sony really has dropped the ball in marketing in the US but not in EU or Japan. And from what ive learned in life, what more do you need to know or understand from FREE?
[email protected] Socom and Resistance are system sellers but gears isn't? How so?
you still haven't said what's keeping you playing your 360? The wii yeah even my 5 year old son won't touch the thing,but what are these games that are soooo great on the 360 that the ps3 doesn't have. Edit: gears 2 will sell more systems then rfom2 and socom put together for the simple fact you will actually see ads for gears 2! Edit#2:@ below. If microsoft don't know how to do nothing else they know how to market their games! They'll have people so pumped about gears 2 they'll buy another 360 just to play gears 2! Sony has not been marketing their games or products that well. Could be the billions of dollars that they are in debt or in the red so they don't have the resources to market properly. Maybe they think they don't need to advertise I don't know.
socom is a system seller, the franchise is 10.5 million strong, and thats proven so just forget it. resistance2- i dont believe it will be a system seller but it will sell alot of copys now that the install base on the ps3 is alot greater than it was. ps3 has a bunch more system sellers on the way though so stay tuned : P um i dont think that gears2 will be a system seller because it already has its fan base. it came out this generation so umm, yea.
How does watching ads make Gears 2 better than another? That doesnt make sense. "microsoft don't know how to do nothing else they know how to market their games! They'll have people so pumped about gears 2 they'll buy another 360 just to play gears 2!" Yes and Meh. MS owns in marketing but people buying *another* Xbox360 dilludes the true number of owners because they had to shelf another investment into the system (that is for the unfortunate ones who couldnt or were not in the stipulations for repairs). If the 33% RROD is true, i believe an estimate of 10%+ of current Xbox360 owners were rebuyers. Furthermore, thats more expensive than a PS3. Offtopic i know sorry, but Sony is outselling MS by a bit only with a higher price but if the price difference were scaled to 1:1, i believe the numbers would dominate one over another.
I was kidding about buying another 360 to play gears 2 but, watching ads leads to people buying the game regardless if its good or not. If you see all these cool ads your gonna want to play the game. Like movies some of the best dont sell tickets because you dont know about them. I really don't think gears or rfom 2 will sell a lot of hardware, but gears2 will move more. I'd say the people that buy a console for these games already have the other console and, are just waiting for an excuse to become a dual console owner.
is that the sad reality is that the majority of consumers will always be noobs in purchasing an upgraded gamecube, oh sry I mean the "Wii" and calling it "next gen". "Oh look at me...i wave the controller around and the character moves...wow!"...pathetic. Oh and 360 is on its way out...sad to say but its true...expect the xbox 720 (gosh that sounds so lame rofl) within the next 2 years.
can easily be turned round in peoples faces though with the xbox and ps3 just merely updating their graphics with their last gen control schemes. The wii has done alot to open doors for the market to expand, something that sony and microsoft will be looking to capitalise on next generation..... or maybe even sooner.
This is a ridiculous post. To imply that msft is having some sort of hard time is an exteemely biased opinion. Couple that with the statement that implies that ps3's 2.4 update brings it up to par with xbox live is just plain stupid. Many of the features that people are expecting with this update just didn't happen and probably never will. No cross game invites or chat. No unified online gaming has been offered at all. This writer doesn't seem to grasp the sheer power of xbox live and a standardized acheivement feature. Players simply DO NOT leave xbox live easily as it is and it will always be a stronger service. Sony is making the effort to play catch up and I applaude them for their attempt to mimmick xbox live but they simply don't have the technical prowess to do it. With the system only having 256mb of memory to work with in this department any development in this area will be extremely difficult. They are only playing catch-up while microsoft will be and always has been offering the only true innovation in this area. Msft's 512mb of unified memory allows them alot more flexibility for applications. Add in the fact that Microsoft makes developing for the 360 much more financially viable to third party companies ensures that the 360 will always have more titles coming out. In fact if you look at the last 2 years you'll see that metacritic scores for all cross platform games have been higher for 360 and the massive difference in attach rates, it's clear that the people that matter (the gamers) have been voting with their wallets. All of this makes the future of xbox360 very bright indeed. The same games coming out 6-12 months after the 360 version and then still being not as good is probably beginning to wear thin on even the most fanatical sony fanboys. While LBP does look appealing you have to keep in the mind the staying power of such a product. They are basing the game on user created content which means that the market will quickly become flooded with crappy levels and endless amount of people that wil want to play their own maps (seen it lots of times before with games that have proper level editors) as they invested time into them and grew to love their own creations and will be bragging on and on about their self-serving so-called masterpieces. It won't take long before real gamers will tire of it. Did I mention that it is a platformer at heart? If you look at retail figures showing the amount of platform titles being traded in, it's staggering. Now on to the Wii... The Wii's success is based on accessability and therefore can appeal to a broader audience. The problem is that alot of these people will become "gamers". Once that happens, they start to pay attention to games and the market. While alot of them went with the Wii due to affordablitity, the chances of them suddenly making a giant investment in ps3 is unlikely and the 360's affordability will look alot more appealing. The Wii has also not been marketed as a movie player and has done very very well. Why would these same people suddenly care about Bluray? Bluray sales have been sluggish to say the least but yet it is toted as a super-deluxe-mega-feature. It is Sony's strongest argument and nobody cares. It is and always will be about the games.
ps3 will have in-game chat etc. this was a update just to get things started. sure xbl is good but you have to pay for it so ummm there you go, its equal now. the only multi-plat that shows a difference is madden, the others you couldnt even tell the difference side by side. well the 360 is declining in sales <-----thats not having a hard time? it just so happens that the 360 is declining in sales right when they are nearing the 25 million mark, thats how many consoles sold last gen for the xbox 1. the ps3 basically just came out and is selling faster than the ps2 did and its selling faster than the 360 did. like you can boast now cause you wont really have much to say wen the ps3 starts dropping bombs dog, so get it all out now wile you still can. go ahead, cheer for all i care. 512mb? 256mb? you really dont know what your talking about dog, you sound uneducated. theirs just so many things you can say about each console man, just give it a rest. like you cant even play the 360 cause its always breaking so what good is that? and wen you send it away to get it fixed it breaks again. the consoles aren't even really comparable right now, why dont you wait and give the ps3 a chance? it obviously just getting started, its power is still yet to be tapped. you think mgs4 is impressive? wait till the 200GIG blu-ray discs come out. you dont even see games like resistance on the 360 cause its not powerful enough to have all that stuff happening on screen. HS.. look at all the action on screen. warhawk- 40 players on line, resistance2 60 players online. mlb08 the show- best baseball game to date. i can go on and on bro, im sure you can to, but just give it a rest, it leads to nothing at all. peace. @ antvie- theres a diference between fanboys and fans. just to let you know. but good reasonable comment nonetheless. *bubbles*