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The Dark Below makes Destiny's mistakes all over again

Martin Robinson thinks Bungie's expansion is more of the same - for better and for worse.

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Mikelarry1017d ago

I was really hoping the dark below would improve my experience with destiny but alas it hasn't. Bungie talks big about this game but I fear that's all this game will ever be big ideas that never fully materialize

caseh1017d ago

After being disappointed in the game itself then realising the DLC was £20 a pop I shelved the game and haven't gone back since.

Judging by the general opinion of the DLC, i'm glad I abandoned it.

Jubez1871017d ago

It's like the new Day-Z. All pipe dreams and no substance.

Feralkitsune1017d ago

Except Day-Z is still in active development. So even it has a chance to be a great game while Destiny is total shit.

N4g_null1017d ago

Wow this is getting bad. I sort of feel bad for bungie now.

Hold up destiny actually plays like halo alittle... this is a multiplatform halo and it is being crucified because of its story or lack of one. This story stuff is getting out of hand. I thought gaming was about game play?

Maybe the industry should split. Story gamers on one side and gamers on the other. Story gamers need a better marketing tag so people can stop being disappointed.

Thanks to the comments below I may have to give this game a try.

What is fun is destiny on the wiiu might have been accepted a little more. Who knows.

objdadon1017d ago

I'm really enjoying destiny so I guess opinions differ. My go to Fps thus gen.

DARK WITNESS1017d ago

it's a great fps for it's visuals and gameplay mechanics....

it's just rubbish at everything else.

people keep saying stuff like well I enjoy it so whatever.

It's not just a matter of do I enjoy it, it's could I have enjoyed it a lot more?

Ya, I enjoyed it while I was playing it, but I could have enjoyed it even more and still been enjoying it if they had delivered on their original concept.

It's not the worst fps on the plannet, but looking hype and what bungie talked about in it's Vidoc... Destiny is by far the biggest letdown of the year.

it's good, it has it's fun moments... it could have had a lot more of them though.

People bring this up because they see the potential the game has and we want to see it fulfilled.

orakle441017d ago

I respectfully disagree.

Your first sentence hit the nail on the head, it is a great fps for its visuals and gameplay mechanics, that's basically how shooters are judged. Especially ones with a strong online multiplayer existence, which that is what Destiny is.

I dont agree with the whole "could you have enjoyed it a lot more" angle. If you're going to use that mentality with games, well then, you can lump every game in with that. No game is perfect, and no matter what it is, you "could" have enjoyed it more if they did something different with it.

There really isn't a "let down" with Destiny, it is what they said it was, from the get go. If you played the Alpha, or Beta, you knew exactly what the game was, there was no surprises.

DARK WITNESS1017d ago (Edited 1017d ago )

Well I respectfully disagree with what you disagree with.

Most others could be improved in some way and off the back of that you would enjoy them a little more.

I can't speak for everyone but I have played games that didn't leave me thinking, Oh I would have improved this and that and it would have been so much more fun.

In the case of destiny I find it lacking in so many areas that yes I it left me feeling that there was so much more that could have been done.

No game is perfect I can accept that and in most cases I can forgive those little short comings whatever they are. In the case of Destiny there is sooooo much wrong with soo many areas that they are not just little things I can over look.

While most people judge shooters on gameplay and visuals, I certainly don't.. all the little things like story etc are just as important to me. Once upon a time they didn't matter as much, then I played a game called Halo and all of a sudden things like story and AI etc all became import for enjoying a complete experience. Maybe nobody else cares about these things in an FPS, but I do.

Looking at what was created in halo and what we got in Destiny... Halo left me feeling nothing but satisfied with my experience. The only problem I had with it was having to stop playing it to go work for a living. Destiny, well..... Ok maybe I would have settled for just the MP side of it, but even then for the game types that are fun, it's just the same 3 or 4 maps over and over.

Anyway, I respect your opinion and of course we all enjoy different things and look for different when we judge a game.

let me put it this way...

Where most other games could be improved and would be a little more fun or more fun... Destiny with improvement could be a LOT more fun... A LOT

:)

I did play the alpha and beta and thinking that well this is just the beginning of the game, I thought what I experienced would be expanded upon. except it didn't really do that, it just repeated the same thing over and over. After the dev's said it was just the tip of the iceberg and all that, yes I expected a lot more and yes for me personally it fell short on a lot.

n4rc1017d ago

Every game could be better..

But haven't we all learned that we are the problem? We overhype everything and every single game is a letdown..

Bungie didn't sell us all these promises.. We sold ourselves on the hype we created..

Somebody saw content in a Dev video that isn't in the game? Ya.. Its called dlc.. They develop that too.. Don't recall bungie ever stating anything you see prelaunch will be in the vanilla game

Do I wish there was more? Of course! I always do.. But I also understand the business side of it and they have a 10 year plan for the franchise, they obviously can't throw every idea into the first installment

Tex1171017d ago

I agree with you in that the shooting mechanics, guns, builds and play styles are absolutely dead on. Its well designed.

The issue becomes they don't give us enough cool encounters to really play around with these guns and builds in encouters that matter.

Story is non-existant (though at least the DLC story is cohereant). That can be forgiven if they just gave us more instances to utilize different builds, guns, etc.

Bungie is on to something here with this formula if they can just figure out how to execute it. Im cautiously optimistic with Destiny 2.

DARK WITNESS1017d ago

"But haven't we all learned that we are the problem? We overhype everything and every single game is a letdown.. "

in most cases I would agree with you that it is us gamers who overhype, but in the case of destiny...na,the dev's/pub most definately played a very very big part in hyping the game way past what it ended up being.

"Somebody saw content in a Dev video that isn't in the game? Ya.. Its called dlc.."

but that is exactly the issue, it's not in the DLC !!

ok, maybe we are at fault for actually believing the stuff they talked was actually going to be in the retail game...when they never actually said it was. Well a lot of complaining was done and they said wait for the dlc.

everyone defending them said wait for the dlc..

well here is the dlc and it still ads nothing or addresses any of the issues that people complained about...

wait, I know.. sorry it's not going to be in THIS dlc... it's going to be in the NEXT dlc right?

MysticStrummer1017d ago

"People bring this up because they see the potential the game has and we want to see it fulfilled."

There's a ten year plan for this game world and story. Anyone agonizing about unfulfilled potential a few months in is jumping the gun a bit imo.

"Destiny is by far the biggest letdown of the year."

I'm very puzzled about what people were expecting and why. I actually saw a comment the other day from a person who said the game was supposed to be more like No Man's Sky… which blew my mind. The game I'm playing is exactly what I expected after watching and reading over a year's worth of previews. The only reason I didn't buy it day one was concern about whether I could enjoy the game solo if necessary, but the recent free trial had me hooked for two days so I bought the game and now the DLC. Great fun in my opinion, solo and multiplayer.

As for the story, the way I see it is this… they want you to BE this character for 10 years. Life is a series of events that eventually add up to a person's story. This game is being presented in the same way, and as an old school role player I like it. I'm one of many defenders of the last city on Earth, not Master Chief. We're just getting pieces of the big puzzle at this point, and I have no problem with that.

"here is the dlc and it still ads nothing or addresses any of the issues that people complained about."

Maybe those people are mistaken in thinking they are a very clear majority. Comments on a website don't tell much, otherwise PS4 would be outselling XB1 by much more than it is, judging by N4G. Bungie has a general vision of where this game will go and how it will develop from here. If relatively few people are complaining loudly, Bungie won't be very tempted to deviate much from that vision.

Having said ALL of that… is it perfect? No, but there is no such thing as a perfect game. You say you don't often play games and think about what you would have done differently if you made it, but I do it all the time with games/books/movies, and Destiny is no exception.

DARK WITNESS1016d ago (Edited 1016d ago )

"I'm very puzzled about what people were expecting and why. I actually saw a comment the other day from a person who said the game was supposed to be more like No Man's Sky… which blew my mind. The game I'm playing is exactly what I expected after watching and reading over a year's worth of previews."

Well ok, ya someone thinking that Destiny would be more like No Man's sky, even I have to put my hand up and ask what the F"^^k gave them that idea?????

I don't buy this whole 10 year plan bullcrap being an excuse for this almost none existent story and lack of content

Let's be honest, a lot of games/franchises these days are developed with sequels in mind. In fact they don't even hide it now when they know it's going to be a trilogy and considering most games take 3 years give or take a year, well that's almost a 10 year project...

Still that does not mean the first game in the series has barely any story/content, or starts of with an opening story that an 8 year old could write.

If you honestly think the story and content in Destiny was of an acceptable quality to you, well I don't really think there is much for us to discus. Clearly your standards and mine are different. I don't mean that in a bad way, hey you are happy with it and that's all that should matter to you anyway.

Was I expecting No mans sky.. NO, but when bungie use words like "Rich, cinematic and Story telling" to describe the game, they didn't say this is what the game was GOING to become 10 years down the line, they said this is what we are getting in the game we buy NOW, IN 2014!!.. and it's far from rich and cinematic, then yes it most definitely fell short of what I expected.

"Maybe those people are mistaken in thinking they are a very clear majority. Comments on a website don't tell much, otherwise PS4 would be outselling XB1 by much more than it is, judging by N4G."

Except the PS4 has been outselling the XB1 by a mile (apart from in NOV) and that's not just an N4G thing, you will get the same story from any other website.

Maybe we are mistaken in thinking we are a clear majority, maybe we are not.. if we are then maybe Bungie should just be honest and say nothing is wrong with the game so no need to listen to us, instead of saying stuff like they are listening and making changes etc. I mean we are not a majority so it wouldn't hurt them to say that right?

Most people don't care enough to be as vocal as me or you about these things. Does not mean they don't feel the same. Most of my friends felt disappointed by the game, but unlike me they are not the type to complain or talk about it on a website.. they simply just stopped playing the game. If you asked them why though they will raise the same issues I have had with it.

You are right when you say if few people complain loudly Bungie won't do anything, which is why I don't mind being loud about what I think are it's issues. Still many just don't care but that does not mean they aren't disappointed.

When I said I don't often play games that make me think I would do this different etc, I am talking about when I play those games I consider to be right at the top of the very best list. Games that are as close to 10/10 as it can get. There are a lot of games that fall into the average bracket that I do think about.

What I expected from Bungie is a game that would fall closer to that top bracket, at least it had the potential to be.

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MMOBytes1017d ago

2.5 missions, zero new areas. A raid, and a strike. = huge disappointment.. All that talk about listening to the community was complete bs.

CorndogBurglar1017d ago

Missions 2 and 3 are almost entirely new areas.

You couldn't get to those places before without glitching into them, and even then they were completely empty with nothing to do or find.

The story did explain things from the game and answered two very big questions: what is Crota and what is this Rasputin thing they kept mentioning?

Add that on top of a all the new gear and items, and I think people are being too harsh. It added more that people are giving it credit for.

dumahim1017d ago

Mission 3 was almost all the same stuff on the moon. the only difference is I think a connecting hallway was opened up. Enter the temple, work your way down to the hive seeder, go down a long straight section that wasn't open before and wind up in the same boss battle room as the Traveler shard from one of the other missions.

n4rc1017d ago

You got exactly what they advertised . what were you expecting?

Seems you shouldn't have bought it since you weren't going to like it before even playing it

Jubez1871017d ago (Edited 1017d ago )

This DLC was on disk. Of course there wasn't going to be any big overhauls. That's why I backed off. If you want a MMO experience on your console just go with FFXIV. Hell even warframe might do you better than this.

Also, no new planet or areas? No new skills for classes. Just no. No Bungie. Bad.

DJStotty1017d ago

the only thing that is stopping me buying the DLC is the price. Relative to the amount of content received for the price it is overpriced.

One of my friends who got the DLC on launch had finished the story missions the strike and was doing the raid in 2 hours.

Reduce the price and i will buy as i like the game.

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