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The Morning Gamer – 12/02/2014

Torrence Davis returns with the Morning Gamer. This episode is about how the PlayStation Experience will be a disappointment, how the current-gen console wars are about price and not games, and how Sony isn't really "for the gamers."

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MrKennedy1083d ago

That is quite the featured image.

Romudeth1083d ago

Don't be scared of the black man lol

mikeslemonade1083d ago

A little over a year into the generation, the generation have been more about specs. PS4 still outsells the X1 worldwide even though it's more expensive.

So how you figure the console wars "are about price"? Price is one factor but the main factor is what X1 isn't able to do in comparison to PS4.

tordavis1083d ago

@mikeslemonade I'll give you some examples:

Gen 5: Sony beat out Sega due to price and also Sega's early release and issues with retailers
Gen 6: A multitude of things but gen 6 was a game changer on so many levels. Sega dropped out, MS dropped early and Nintendo got beat. Sony had the best most original and new genres.
Gen 7: Forget the 1yr lead, MS had a lower price. Sony wasn't selling as much as they could because of the high price. MS forced them to drop so they could compete and the lowest price console, the Wii, "won" the generation.
Gen 8: MS came out with forced Kinect and also a forced $500 price point. They couldn't move as many units at that price so they created a new Kinectless sku for $399. X1 started selling better with this move and on BF they sold it for $329 and sold like hotcakes.

The console war is about price! No console has ever "won" a war due to better specs...EVER!

Christopher1083d ago (Edited 1083d ago )

***He also talks about how if Sony doesn’t show The Last Guardian at this event that it will be a waste of everyone’s time.***

That's.... just stupid...

If they show new IPs and new gameplay and info on existing games, how is it a waste of people's time just because no The Last Guardian?

Edit: And in his comments section he gets on someone for saying the same thing and says "When I say, "It's a waste of time" who the [bleep] do you think I'm referring to?" Well, you said "everyone's time" so I think you're referring to everyone.

***He also believes that this generation’s console war is about price and not the games since both systems have most of the same titles.***

Welcome to last generation, Torrence.

***Tor has never understood this since, at the end of the day, both companies are about profit. ***

MS attempts to sell a controlled system with all digital, no second-hand market and forces Kinect on everyone. Sony leaves behind the hard to deal with PS3 system and goes for an easier system with the only major business change being requiring PS+ for non-MMO multiplayer games.

Not sure how people can be confused on the image.

I agree, both are about money. But, you can define your image by how you sell yourself, your product, and your services. Sony's has been, for a while, more open to giving the core gamers what they are comfortable with and like more than MS.

And, sure, there will be responses of "But MS wanted to evolve the industry and we never gave them the chance" which I say "MS wanted to give all control to publishers, and that's never good for the consumer."

tordavis1083d ago

I never said, "waste of everyone's time" I said "waste of time" or "waste of my time". I also stated, "this is just my opinion"

Please stop putting words into my mouth.

It is a price war. X1 sales picked up after Kinectless sku and even more during BF with the $329 sku.

I've always understood that both companies are about profit. Nintendo proves this more than MS and Sony.

Two things were wrong with the first X1. 24hr check and no used game sales. Everything else was fine and is basically still in the system with the exception of the sharing which would have been awesome.

Sony has never been more for the gamer than MS and MS never more than Sony. Featurewise I think MS is still ahead of Sony but that's because they know what their consumers want. Doesn't make them more for the gamer though.

STRYFEE1083d ago

you can call it a price war because yea its the holidays. is ms eating it up the ass with each console sold? yes. thats why they will only carry this sale through the holiday season. they cant keep the sale price after the holidays.

nintendo is not making a profit off the wii u. they are only reporting they are no longer in the red due to the large amount of over head they had at their warehouses but from the retail stores they are still not making a profit off units sold.

after the holidays things will go back to the same with the difference with both ms/ sony will have a large amount of first party exclusives from the beginning of the year till the end.

Christopher1083d ago

1. Then have a person make sure they recite what you say properly in text: http://snag.gy/ej61p.jpg That's part of what people are responding to. But, you said: "If you're not going to show the last guardian, it's pointless." That's still a grand standing statement that makes no sense. It's a poor opinion to have.

2. Wii U has been lower in price for over a year. Fewer sales. XBO didn't get the sales it had now until it went way below market price and gave out free games, and yet still comes out lower worldwide. So, the only people it's a price war for is MS who have to do it to get sales, and even then fewer worldwide.

3. All of that X1 starting stuff was also all digital. You have games on disc and not just digital codes to download games now as well. There's a lot more there than just "24 hour check in and no used games". It was all digital with control of publisher pricing because it was focused on digital delivery.

4. I'll give you your opinion, but what I said is how their image paints them as being more for the gamer. You chose to ignore that image and their decisions and how gamers react to it? Fine. But, don't act like it's totally foreign concept to you. That would be ignorant.

tordavis1083d ago

oh it's definitely a foreign concept to me because I've been playing games since the beginning and have witnessed EVERY generation. Sony isn't doing anything for the gamer that MS and Nintendo aren't. That's my point.

STRYFEE1083d ago

"Sony isn't doing anything for the gamer that MS and Nintendo aren't. That's my point." so by your views then all 3 arent doing anything for the gamer right? ;)

Christopher1083d ago

***Sony isn't doing anything for the gamer that MS and Nintendo aren't. ***

1. Didn't force PS4 camera on gamers
2. Didn't put general non-gaming elements behind paywalls
3. Started PS+, MS followed suit
3. No fees/limitations on MMORPGs on their console (limitations and still pay for XBL on MS, nigh impossible on WiiU)
4. Free experience event to celebrate the PS4 (nothing for XBO or WiiU to match this).
5. Twitch Streaming
6. SharePlay

Can go on with things they do currently that the others don't.

I get what you are trying to say, but I think you are looking at things from way too far back. Every single company has 'done something the other hasn't' and the others have picked up on it. To say Sony isn't doing anything the others aren't doing is kind of disingenuous to the whole concept of competition and evolving. It's essentially just throwing all that they do that others don't into one big pile and saying "it doesn't really matter the differences, they are all trying to earn customers." Well, how you try to earn customers does matter.

tordavis1083d ago

"***Sony isn't doing anything for the gamer that MS and Nintendo aren't. ***

1. Didn't force PS4 camera on gamers
2. Didn't put general non-gaming elements behind paywalls
3. Started PS+, MS followed suit
3. No fees/limitations on MMORPGs on their console (limitations and still pay for XBL on MS, nigh impossible on WiiU)
4. Free experience event to celebrate the PS4 (nothing for XBO or WiiU to match this).
5. Twitch Streaming
6. SharePlay "

_____________________________ ________________________

1. That doesn't mean they are doing more for the gamer. Kinect lovers were happy it was included.
2. The paywalls have been removed. But is netflix, hulu and other video apps gamer stuff?
3. They included online(which was free last gen) into PS+. So even if you didn't like PS+ you are forced to buy it to play games like Call Of Duty.
4. Nintendo has several Nintendo directs during the year. They do way more than Sony in that regard and also allow the public to play their E3 offerings at Best Buy locations across the US. PS Experience is a great thing.
5. Twitch streaming is on X1. Again, is this for the gamer or for horn dogs who want to see couples have sex? :D
6. Shareplay is cool tech but I would never use it and the show was about my opinion.

The rhetoric in June of 2013 was that Sony was for the gamer and MS and Nintendo weren't. I refuted that. They all make games for the gamer and none of the companies are perfect.

Christopher1083d ago (Edited 1083d ago )

You said: " Sony isn't doing anything for the gamer that MS and Nintendo aren't. That's my point."

1. It absolutely does. It gives them the choice rather than forcing it on them. If you didn't want Kinect, you had to buy it or hope they removed it.

2. Yet Sony did it first and they were only removed when they were forced to due to low XBO sales.

3. Does not take away that Sony started the service and MS followed suit.

4. Only because they don't do conferences or the like as often as Sony or MS. And, yet, again, no one is doing an event like Sony's.

5. Derision over one of the fastest growing things with gamers. And, XB1 didn't have it. Sony did. XB1 added it.

6. Who cares if you would or wouldn't play it? It's still for the gamers. I didn't know this was what was "for you". At least not when I read you quote all over again.

***The rhetoric in June of 2013 was that Sony was for the gamer and MS and Nintendo weren't. ***

You mean the fanboy rhetoric? Why are you discussing that? Are all of your thoughts about what fanboys say or about how people feel about gaming.

Regardless, it does nothing to change what you said (see quote above) which is still wrong. Sony has done things for gamers that others haven't or that others have had to adopt.

I think you are letting your bias towards fanboy noise affect the concept of what is being done for the gamers and what isn't.

Again, I believe you are making generalizing statements when everyone has their pros and cons and shouldn't be just factored down to "everyone wants more gaming customers and they focus on that." It's all about how they do it and how the gamers react to it. That's why PS4 is selling so well, because what Sony has done is more acceptable and desiring to gamers. That's why XBO is working so hard to turn things around with removing Kinect, because it was shown that most people didn't care about it. Same with removing certain things from behind paywalls (which definitely is for gamers as it's all in a gaming console, it all matters). Same with all their 180s from the XBO announcement event. It was obvious that what gamers thought mattered. But it was also obvious that Sony had a better idea of what gamers wanted and went with that over MS. Does that mean MS doesn't want gamers and isn't working to get more? No. But it does send a message to gamers about who they might be more comfortable with.

It all matters. It's like me saying that how I've been treated the last 12 years with my car dealership doesn't matter, they sell me the same cars that everyone else does. It does matter. Experiences with one thing or another develop into what we do or don't like. How you create those experiences and mold them to your customer matters. And everyone doesn't do that the same way.

tordavis1083d ago (Edited 1083d ago )

You do realize that MS was charging for Online before Sony and Sony followed suit. This was one of the biggest factors about Xbox that PS gamers hated, paying for online gaming. MS announced Twitch before the X1 launched. They didn't 'follow suit', they(twitch) worked with MS to create an app just for X1. Again, I fail to see how the other manufacturers are not for the gamer. There are things they all do well and things they suck at. Singling out Sony as being 'for the gamer' and MS and Nintendo 'not being for the gamer' is a ridiculous notion. None of them are more for the gamer than the other. I own all platforms and I don't see it.

Is it fanboy rhetoric? You tell me.

Christopher1083d ago (Edited 1083d ago )

*** I fail to see how the other manufacturers are not for the gamer.***

No one said they aren't. But, what you said was "Sony has never been more for the gamer than MS and MS never more than Sony."

You then followed up with: "Sony isn't doing anything for the gamer that MS and Nintendo aren't. That's my point."

You seem more adamant on distilling things to their desire for profit rather than what they do and how that relates to consumer opinion.

At no point have I said Sony does more, I've only provided examples of what they've done that gamers like and even how those have evolved to other utilizing them. Exact same as how PSN came around because of XBL in the first place.

You "fail to understand why people say Sony does more for gamers" is being ignorant of the concept of experience. You experience leads you to believe MS provides better tools. Something others would disagree with. Other peoples' experiences are different. It's fairly obvious why someone would think one is better for them as a gamer than another.

Anyway, I think we're going to go around in circles on this one.

***I own all platforms and I don't see it. ***

And that prevents you from understanding how others would?

***Is it fanboy rhetoric? You tell me.***

In the context of what you talked about as far a 2013 E3 and what people said... yeah. Much of that was fanboy rhetoric. Influenced by gaming sites wanting to keep it up to get clicks. That's pretty much how almost half of the gaming news thrives today, on fanboy rhetoric and bias.

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Paprika1083d ago

Featured image looks like he just farted and let out a wetty! Oh sheeeeeeeeeettt!