NDTV says: "While the Xbox One might be King in its own backyard, the consoles sales in emerging markets like India tell a different story."
its pretty much the same everywhere tbh sony has always had clear majority in countries outside US. its because of that they can recover from bad launches like the ps3 had. that being said, ps4 seems like a whole different juggernaut . in a country like india which isnt exactly gaming savvy 20:1 in sales is pretty much showing MS the way out also its hilarious how far that ridiculous report has made
20:1 in sales in a country like India is but a speck in the grand scheme of things. I would hardly call India a gaming powerhouse.
After all the price drops, cash back offers,multiple free games ms should dominate one month... Kinda embarrasing the lengths they had to go to to do it but they should win november in the us
@Ballsack - yep, we shall see if it was worth it moving forward.
@Ballsack, There are two ways to look at it. As a gamer, is getting a couple free games and an Xbox One for $349 really a bad thing? Sony offered a GTA bundle with the Last of Us for $399 and a Lego Batman 3/LBP3 bundle for $399 on Black Friday. http://blog.us.playstation.... The $50 savings Xbox gamers received over the PS4 bundle makes it "embarrassing"? It's an interesting mindset to have when you think gamers saving $50 over another console is embarrassing.
@death read below double post,damn you n4g
@death Your looking at it from a consumer point of view Im looking at it from a BUSINESS point of view I have seen the xbox one for 269pounds,as a consumer i got four games including sunset and forza,a white console and FIFTY pounds cash back voucher for 329,once i claim the cashback i basically paid 280 for all of that for a system..ONE YEAR OLD, thats great for a consumer like me,but it took all of that for me to purchase one..which for a company as big as microsoft is embarrasing, the lengths they have had to go to to sell the system is embarrasing. And all to claim bragging rights for the holidays... What about the rest of the year?What about the first 6 months of 2015 when sony have some big hitters coming out? Theres more than two months in a year,and you have to question microsofts motives when bragging rights of nov/dec is what matters most to them.
@Ballsack - I guess their mentality is there are now a bunch more Xbox One users out there, so their games may start to sell more... I'd still say it's a win for us gamers because there were some incredible Black Friday deals and I was happy to see how many consoles moved.
I missed the press release where Microsoft said they wanted to sell consoles for bragging rights. It's no secret that the bulk of annual console sales are made in the 4th quarter. Microsoft has always had Holiday bundles, this isn't unique to the Xbox One. As for the price reduction, it's $50. The trade in deal is fantastic if you have a Microsoft store in your area. I don't know how much of the $100 trade Microsoft is absorbing, but the trade is actually made to a third party. Is it bad business? I honestly don't know the answer to that and neither do you. We will know in a few months when Microsoft posts their 4th quarter results. My guess is revenue is through the roof and cost of revenue is much higher too. I will be surprised if they post a loss though. They should still make a profit, but it won't be as high as it would have without the incentives obviously.
@death... Na it wasnt for bragging rights,microsoft did this out of the goodness of their hearts!!! Your telling me a console just turning a year with TWO official price drops,plus atleast two to three games included at no extra cost (and in certain cases cashback on top of that) isnt a unique situation? Guess we have been gaming on different planets,im from earth nice to meet ya... all jokes aside im not talking about whether or not its BAD business..not sure why your mentioning profit margins,im saying its an EMBARRASSMENT Noone can not tell me from a business point of view its not embarrassing, to have to literally give away a console with cashback,whilst still being cheaper than your competitor because of ANOTHER price drop and multiple free games just to outsell your competitor for one month whilst your competitor is still selling despite all those perks,yeh thats nothing unique in the first year of a consoles life s/
[email protected] Its only a problem for people like you who spend all their time on N4G. Most people outside this site had know problem with Microsoft reducing prices for the xb1. Microsoft has been killing it for months now with games and features people like you are just blind to those facts
Lol @knws the one bubble ms cheerleader... A quick look at our history shows who spends all their time on n4g ...once again your typing crap in the face of facts. As for microsoft killing it with games for months... Err what exclusives were released between titanfall and horizon?Thats a big ol gap of months you claim microsoft were killing it in.. Name me a feature better than share play? Truth hurts people attached to their silicone an plastic so i hereby officially apologise to you for hurting your fragile feelings in highlighting the embarrassing attempts microsoft have had to go to sell their console... Oooo add me gamertag ruggeddabawse...lol
Come on Ballsack, where are two official price drops? Xbox One with Kinect still has a MSRP of $499. They released a second SKU without Kinect for $399. Both SKU's have a "temporary" price reduction of $50 for the Holidays. I think we can all agree the temporary reduction is going to permanent, but that is still one price reduction. It's starting to look like you are just upset the new SKU and $50 reduction is actually increasing sales. There is no reason you should be upset the console got a $50 price reduction after a year. As for the free games, the link I posted show Sony offering two free games also. I don't see you upset or even acknowledging this. Cashback for the purchase of a console by certain retailers? You mean like this? http://www.gamespot.com/art... Sony is also offering cash back at the Sony store. It ends today though so if you are interested, you need to act fast. Let's stop pretending holiday bundles and cash back are only happening for the Xbox One. Great deals can be found for both consoles.
Haven't used Share Play and doubt I ever will... Remote Play on the other hand, is a god send.
@death Only people upset are the people who hate hearing the truth,im stating facts so i must be upset? The mind of some gamers truly astounds me..again im looking at it as a BUSINESS POINT OF VIEW, im self employed so maybe i think beyond oh its good for the consumer and look at the whys and hows microsoft have had to do this.. Your saying removal of kinect wasnt a official price drop..ok why remove it?Didnt phil say kinect would not be unbundled like a month before they removed it...didnt we hear xbox one is built around kinect?That in itself is embarrasing... We know it was removed to drop the price,whichever way you look it it it was to sell a cheaper console because of flagging sales If you can show me the deal i got with my xbox one on a ps4 of corse im all for it,four games special edition console,50 pound cash back for 329..cheers mate id buy another Im not here to lick anyone's arse i say it how it is simple and in MY view microsoft have embarrassed themselves...as a consumer i jumped in an used their attempts to save face as my gain ..gamertag ruggeddabawse...yep im soo upset at their sales death sooo upset that i added to it s/ Go figure
Ballsack whether you now own a X1 or you are looking at it from a business point of view or not, you do indeed sound upset that micro sales are up. Micros deals were a bit more aggressive than sonys because #1 they were selling less units and #2 they have deep pockets to afford such discounts, nothing unusual or "embarrassing" about that. As Death stated I saw plenty of great deals for ps4 as well but I don't see you raging about those deals, I also bet you weren't using words like embarrassing when sony OFFICIALLY cut the price of the ps3 by -$100 in July less than a year after its prior US November launch... http://arstechnica.com/gami... because of slow sales. The new 80 skus and so on also removed the emotion chip to reduce costs after sony prior to ps3 launch preaching about how important backwards compatibility was to their console. You see all company's re-prioritize and reorganize themselves to adapt to the market, failure to do so means heavy losses or in some cases complete failure, as someone who is self employed you should know this is a measured reaction to improve sales by balancing discounts/upfront profits vs higher game software sales, micro does it, sony does it, nintendo does it, most smart business's do it when it makes sense for them to do so, they've been in business a long time so Im sure they will do just fine financially. I mean seriously we have so many great choices. I look at it like this; because of sony micro had to diversify and get back to offering core games we love, because of micro sony couldn't sell us a $600 similar console, wii u provides that lower price kid friendly middle ground= consumers are winning because of the great competition between all 3 companies. While sony is ahead none of the company's can rest on their laurel. Sony imo has succeeded thus far in part on their brand being stronger of course their lineup is going to have to crank out a few killer exclusives worthy of that legacy and of course eventually offer a official discount as well, micro needs to keep doing what their doing and constantly improve their brand to stay on their tail....in the end who cares which sold the most what's really important is that each will have a fairly large user base with lots of gamers enjoying their hobby.
I wouldn't be so sure about that, isn't India's pop. like FAR higher than the US? It's a market waiting to boom.
@Kenshin - when they are using numbers like 4500 consoles vs 1500 consoles, then no, there is no room for comparison. While the population of India is indeed greater by a significant margin, the demographic of actual gamers in India is quite small in comparison. Lots of people in India have a tough enough time affording food and water, let alone a video game console.
Actually the UK also seems to have positive numbers for the xbox brand back with the 360 and Xbox One seems to be coming around.
It's retaliation from all the Microsoft call center workers there, making peanuts for income while MS continues to stack cash. They are "getting back at the man" so to speak.
America (Country and continents) is by far the most important market for gaming. As nice as it is to win countries like Japan or India or regions like Europe the defacto standard is the Americas. A company can be profitable from just sales in the United States. Also it must be taken into consideration that the leader in America generally ends up selling well in most regions anyways. Both consoles are doing amazing regardless.
I doubt that. Market is shifting. US is still a the largest market, but EMEA (Europe) actually has caught up and exceeds it in some aspects. Also, the Euro is still 20% worth more than the US$ which means the margin is significantly higher in Europe compared to the US. All in all, US might work for MS because they run their books in US$, but for a company like Sony which runs it's budget in Yen, Europe (and even Japan) is a significantly larger market. PS4: EMEA 6M, US 5M, SW: 24M vs. 19M XO: EMEA 2M, US 4.4M, SW: 18M vs. 9M US is the only market the XO sells - but it's still behind. It's rather disappointing that MS can't sell their product in the larger market (EU = 500M, USA = ~300M, btw).
The only sanctioned way to purchase the xbox console in India is through Amazon? Who the hell agreed to that deal? It's like they didn't want to succeed there. Seriously, what retailer is going to advertise something that it's customers will have to purchase elsewhere. DOA.
Well, its not like one of the countries with the highest poverty rate in the world has that much of a importance. Not even 10% of the Indian population can afford a $400 console.
That's completely besides the point. India has a growing middle class, which was estimated to be 250 million people in 2007. The smart thing to do would be to grab brand recognition BEFORE they graduate from an emerging economy. If you are trying to gain footholds outside of the US and Uk. You don't sell your console exclusively through an online retailer. It's just plain dumb.
20% of Mumbai's population alone would be able to buy both the X1 and PS4 and still have room to spare to buy their own home outright. The difference is not many people here take gaming seriously like you or me; its still considered something for kids. Don't go by everything you see on TV or read on the internet. BTW mumbai's population is around 12 Million.
The population of India is 1,251 million (as in 2013 - a quick search will verify this) so for fun why make it 2% of the population who can afford a US$400 console over the lifetime of the console (say 10 years) that translates to 25 million consoles or approx 2.5 million consoles per year which is quite allot of consoles. It must be noted that this number could get higher with increasing population, bundles and price cuts over the life-time of the console. Of course my statistics are spot-on as my crystal ball has never let me down yet. Ah! what's that I see "A flying car!" :)
250 million people in 2007? And what are your sources exactly? By 2010, around 50 million people belonged to the middle class thats less than 5% of the current Indian population, and its estimated to reach around 200 million in 2020. Are you really trying to fool someone with fake numbers in 2014? Like seriously? I agree that Sony played a better card, but again its not like Microsoft is losing anything in such decadent market. Sources: http://www.ey.com/GL/en/Iss... http://genesis.iitm.ac.in/d... http://www.dbresearch.de/PR...
http://www.mckinsey.com/Ins... http://www.dbresearch.de/PR... Not trying to fool anyone. Simply extrapolating to now and didn't correct a typo when I decided to use one fact over another... Also not trying to suggest that there are a massive amount of Indians in a financial position to buy a gaming console. Their middle class != American middle class. Just highlighting the FACT that the spending power of Indians is growing, and that it's better to be on the front end of emerging markets. By many accounts, India Is the next China, and MS shouldn't be content to position themselves in 'catch up' territory there. Right now, the wealthy Indians are buying PS4s... What brand do you think the new middle class is going to support when they are financially able?
Did you actually read the sources that you posted? Where does it says that 250 million people belong to the middle class? Actually they agree with my argument. I'll quote: ->Source #1: "The middle class currently numbers some 50 million people" ->Source #2: "While there is no official definition of the middle class, estimates range from 30 million to approximately 300 million people. Even using the most generous estimates of the group‟s size, the middle class comprises less than 30 percent of the population." --- Sources that I posted before --- ->Source #1: "India’s global middle class, meanwhile, at around 50 million people, or 5% of the population, is much smaller. We expect this to grow steadily over the next decade, reaching 200 million by 2020." ->Source #2: Along with the shift from rural to urban consumption, India will witness the rapid growth of its middle class—households with disposable incomes from 200,000 to 1,000,000 rupees a year. That class now comprises about 50 million people, roughly 5 percent of the population. ----------------------------- -- You're wrong, get over it and the worst part is that you post a source and it doesn't say anything of what you claim but reinforces my argument. India isn't a relevant market for video games right know, in 25 years it will be but we don't even know if Microsoft or Sony will still make consoles in 25 years. It doesn't matter how hard you try to argue, the truth is that Nintendo and Microsoft aren't losing anything there, there are countries with way bigger relevance in which they're focused. -*****- BELOW -*****- Extrapolate to today? Are you seriously telling me that every single report is wrong by predicting a growth of 200 million in 20 years and that India got that grown in 4 years? A country that lacks in precious minerals and only have a few natural resources? Are you telling me that a country with a weak currency that imports natural resources like Gas and its been suffering because of the fall of the price of the oil could grow its middle class population to 200 millions in 5 years? Wow dude, you must really think i'm mentally disabled or something if you think i'm eating all that nonsense.
Did you read what I said? I used those to sources and extrapolated to today. Since I'm posting from mobile, I accidentally left that explanation out of my first post. And clarified it in my second.
Let me guess this is based on that InfoScout thingy again? (Reads article) Yep. I thought so.
Theory? A marketing company pays for receipts.. They got 180,000 receipts.. That's solid polling... Its exactly what NPD does.. Don't try and discredit it because you don't like what it says
Their track record has quite a lot of errors if you've actually looked at their previous analysis from the last holiday season.
@n4rc let's make it very simple http://nintendoeverything.c... But what really happened http://www.gamespot.com/for... there is a reason for the skepticism
Yeah but no where in their findings do they say how many of the 180,000 are console receipts. Last year only about 1,500 of their receipts were consoles and their findings ended up inaccurate. It's likely a similar sample size this year but they're misleading people by omitting that important fact. They're making it look like all 180,000 are console receipts when they're almost certainly not.
I never assumed it was 180k console sales.. That's not how polling works.. They got 180k receipts.. Of those 180k that bought a game console, 53% were Xbox ones.. That's it... If you choose to believe anything else, that's not the fault of the polling.. Its exactly how NPD operates only on a smaller scale.. If you want to discredit their method, then say goodbye to ANY sales forcasting.. That's my point Its not accurate as it can't be, either is NPD.. They are estimates based on sample data.
I don't understand the skepticism... The polling method is statistically sound, and has a much larger data sample (and thusly I'd more likely to be accurate) than most other respected polls.
http://stattrek.com/survey-... STAT 101 for you. The sample size is fine, but the sampling method is like an elementary school level.
@kws1065 None of this is new to me. How do you feel this sampling method introduces bias? It can be considered a random sample, because there's no reason to believe that buyers of one console are more likely to participate that others... this is similar to how most consumer research groups operate, inclusion Nielsen and NDP
Participating for a reward? It likely attracts the people who are cost-sensitive, in other word, cheaper-is-better type, which implies the participants are more likely xbox buyers, which costs cheaper (not necessarily more valuable though).
Wow. Completely newsworthy.
They decided this through Target and Walmart? They wrote this like it was fact.
Positive title with article dedicated to negative outlook..why am I not suprised.
Pathetic headline... Dominates usa. Dominated in India. How often have we headlined India sales? Ps4 is dominating Europe... losing November.... keyword... November, in the USA. Don't mock sales when even NA is close its not domination... Europe is dominated. Almost disrespectful to Indian gamers to use this as almost a sarcastic joke of a headline...
apparently being dominated is based on people who send in theyre reciepts to you four days ago, right? XD
Sony (Playstation) will always come out on top. It's the way it was and always will be. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Xbox gamers think because the 360 launched well, and took over for a few years that somehow it always will be. Sony destroyed with ps1,2 and the latter stages of ps3 gen. Now, ps4 is selling itself pushing 18m before Xbox comes close to 10m.... yeah, PlayStation needs to up its game.... the past 20 years has been 80% dominance!
Xbox One did good at that bargain price, but 'Dominate' is fanboy rhetoric. It did better than PS4 **Allegedly. I'd wait for the official numbers than rely on another Analyst #Pachter
Exactly. And I hope X1 did better. Man some of those deals were crazy. Like the one from Target where you get a $50 gift card on top of the $329 Assassin Creed bundle. If it didn't do better than something is wrong because all people see during that day is "price". PS4 has a million lead in the US so that means for it to catch up it would have to outsell the PS4 by that much. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that didn't happen. The X1 probably did put a dent into that lead(maybe) but we have to wait for official numbers to find out. One thing is for sure though. MS WILL definitely not miss the opportunity to let us all know the numbers like they have for the past year. Back to the 360 ways. Well at least for November that is :-). My prediction is that they both did well with X1 selling more. How much more remains to be seen but if that pic we saw from Major N is too believed then it was A LOT MORE...HA...HA...HA...HA...HA *In classic bad guy voice*. I mean the X1 pallet was empty....Hellooooo? Haha. Don't take this crap too seriously people... Enjoy games and life. This is all one big game to get our money....
I can see the Xbox One overtaking the PS4 in North America and possibly the UK before the end of the generation. There is no historical data to suggest the Xbox One will overtake the PS4 worldwide though. The PS3 sold approx. 10% more annually than the 360. If Microsoft does everything right, we should see a difference of about 10 million consoles between the two at the end of this generation.
@death What else do you see ?!
I don't care about sales in India. I wanna play with English speaking people.
Wow. It took 3 years to sell 50,000 PS3's in India? In contrast the PS4 is projected to sell 50,000 before the end of the fiscal year. It's a huge improvement. It's also a pretty clear indication India is far from being a significant market for new console sales. While I am sure Microsoft would like to have more of a presence in India, I doubt anyone is losing much sleep over it which is why Amazon is the only retailer to carry the console. If I had to choose winning Black Friday or India, I'm pretty sure I'd pick Black Friday where you can sell more consoles in a day than India through the entire console generation.
They wish. Lol. Dominate something...
This must be the new favourite Sony fanboy article... DRM gone, Kinect bundling gone, resolution gate going and gone, and almost all PS first party published games are rating lower than XB first party published games, now they are back to their more reliable, longer term trolling/click bait news articles... XB doesn't sell well outside of UK and the US... There should be a vote on articles for the actual article being trolling.
Is this an exclusive U.S., U.K. site no news outside those 2 territories should be authorized?
I have no problem with news outside of the US as long as: 1) It is actually some news (Talking about X1 great sales in the US and then comparing them to India isn't even a comparison... US sold over a million consoles in the week, and india probably had a total sell through of maybe 10,000 consoles). 2) It isn't trying to make a fanboy point. Maybe a news article talking about the adoption of gaming as a whole in countries like India, China, and developing countries would be interesting. Or maybe the life of a games developer India? Or maybe I have a radical idea! Let's talk about actual games on a games site rather than sales...
While I agree we should talk games you specifically referenced sony fans as if this type of article is specific to that group it's not
@Magnes So, you honestly think an xb fanboy is going to write an article about how x1 sold well on black friday then write in the same article how pathetic they are doing in a country that doesn't even sell 1/100th the consoles that are sold on black Friday? That is so f---ing stupid.
Umm I was referring to you not the person writing the article, but your just trolling so
They sure have been throwing around the word dominating rather loosely. Dominating is what ps4 has been doing for the last year. Xbone if anything has scraped out a small temporary victory but that's not even confirmed yet. Give the domination talk a rest until we can get some numbers that aren't from this one survey.
If we could eliminate the word "dominate" on n4g all together it probably wouldn't be a bad thing. Both consoles are selling very well with neither "dominating" the other. The PS4 has sold better for the first year, but that doesn't mean the Xbox One sold poorly. Both are outselling their predecessors by a pretty fair margin.
Tell me what word would you use to describe ""7 million gap and growing worldwide"" ?!
Unconfirmed? If Sony shipped 13.5 million consoles and Microsoft shipped 10 million consoles, how is it there are 4 million Xbox's in the retail channel and -1 million PS4's? The retail channel typical holds approx. 1 million consoles from each manufacturer. There's about a 30% difference in sales between the two consoles if you look at shipped vs what the retail channel can hold unless you are a firm believer the retail channel buys and stores consoles for Microsoft as a courtesy. There is a gap and it is growing, but at a much lesser rate currently and is about half of what you want it to be.
Sony shipped 13.5 million by the end of Sep and before that they announce they *SOLD* 10 million units in Aug we are now in Novamber they are pretty much over 15 millions now at this rate on the other hand, MS never shipped 10 million xboxs they said they *WILL* ship 10 million in the future "Shortly, We will ship 10 million" that can mean month to months they still haven't even said they passed WiiU or not ...which is 7 million
From launch in November 2013 to August 2014 is 10 months. Sony announced they had sold 10 million consoles at the end of 10 months. That is an average of 1 million consoles per month sold thru. In November Sony announced they had shipped 13.5 million consoles. At an average of 1 million per month, 2 months after the 10 million announcement would be 12 million with 1.5 million in the retail channel. That works pretty well. We don't know the November sales yet, but we do know November and December have sales well above the average. The absolute minimum if sales followed the average would be 14 million sold at the end of the year. Holiday sales are typically much higher. I'm guessing sales going into January will be closer to 17 million sold thru with 18 million shipped. Microsoft hasn't released their numbers as consistently. If they said shipped will hit 10 million "soon", they were probably closer to 9.5 million shipped. With the same percentage in the retail channel Microsoft is somewhere in the neighborhood of 8.5 million sold, possibly closer to 8 million. That brings monthly sales closer to 700,000 per month if we are being a little generous. 700,000 times 12 months would be 8.4 million sold thru to Sony's 12 million in the same time frame. Following the same average for November and December would bring sales close to 10 million sold thru. We know sales for these months are much higher though so it will be closer to 12 million depending on how accurate the early indicators have been. The way these numbers work still show a 30% difference between the two which is probably very close to accurate.
Your constant agitated defense of M$ making up fake numbers, stories and lies will still be the death of you! Shame how sad!