Only a handful of AAA games have achieved that standard on current gen consoles and given that a modern PC can run most games at the highest standard available, it's no doubt frustrating that year old consoles are not able to achieve the same.
Not to discredit or bash, but this game "Roundabout" doesnt seem all that demanding. This conversation is only meaningful when we are dealing with AAA games that employ most or all of the bells and whistles. Also, this web site is exceedingly difficult to navigate given the ads, especially from a tablet.
Most of the time we see an article that claims that there's no difference between Xbox One and PS4 when it comes to development and performance, we find out that the comment was made by developers of smaller games that aren't very demanding.
Why is it only indie devs make statements like this?? I'll tell you why because indie games are not graphical heavy in 99% of cases so they have a lot more room to play with unlike AAA games which need to squeeze every bit of hardware each console has. Thats when devs notice the real differences between consoles. An indie dev will never really see the power differences if there game only uses a 1/4 of the consoles power.
For every developer that says that both consoles are capable of the same things, there are 5 who say that the PS4 is the easiest console to develop games for.
Then there will be 5 N4G posters who will yell "parity" when Xbox One achieves 1080p.
If the devs haven't cut anything from the xbox one version and it's the same resolution then the PS4 is not being used to it's full potential. You should know this by now.
"Routine Devs Explain Why They Prefer PS4 Over Xbox One" http://www.cinemablend.com/... "Developer claims PS4 will always be stronger than the Xbox One" http://www.extremetech.com/... "Developers Claim Differences Between Xbox One and PS4 are *Significant*" http://gamerant.com/differe... "Survey: most developers prefer the PS4 over Xbox One" http://ps4daily.com/2014/07... "PS4 is ‘50% faster’ than Xbox One, report game developers" http://www.extremetech.com/... "Survey Shows European Developers Prefer PS4 Over Xbox One" http://www.craveonline.com/... "Developers prefer PS4 over Xbox One and Wii U, GDC survey claims" http://www.develop-online.n... "The lead designer on Alien: Isolation prefers the PS4 version, but for a very specific reason" http://playstationenthusias... "1080p Easier On PS4 Than Xbox One’ Says Developer" http://www.nowgamer.com/108... "PS4 guaranteed 5G of its 8GB RAM for games: “a lot easier for developers to work with”" http://www.officialplaystat... "Xbox One Vs PS4: Developers Claim PlayStation 4 Code Easier To Handle" http://www.inquisitr.com/12... I could go on with the number of stories discussing why developers prefer making games for the PS4, but I think 11 articles is more than enough to prove my point. "For every developer that says there isn't a difference between the Xbox One and PS4 there will be 5 developers that will say the PS4 is the better performing console."
And they would be right to do so.
@IGivehugs http://n4g.com/news/1622865... http://n4g.com/news/1586830... http://n4g.com/news/1602738... http://n4g.com/news/1570602... Then take a look at these articles and CTRL + F parity and look at how many people yell or bring it up when Xbox One achieves 1080p. And I didn't even include the obvious AC:U article. I could find more but you get the picture. "Then there will be 5 N4G posters who will yell "parity" when Xbox One achieves 1080p."
"Then there will be 5 N4G posters who will yell "parity" when Xbox One achieves 1080p." There should be a lot more than 5 who say something as obvious as that. If both achieve 1080p, the PS4 version should have some added bells and whistles. Lighting, frame rate, etc. The more powerful console will have things like that if the devs truly take advantage of that power.
numbers mean very little at the end of the day because the consumer only cares about the final product. all last generation we were told by sony how much more powerful the ps3 was but did that really matter? a small percentage actually showed that power because it was a pain in the ass to work on. the ps2 was also a pain but everyone learned quick because that was the system to sell your game on and again the consumer cared very little the xbox was a better system going by numbers. moving forward to the ps4 and the product clearly shows the system to be better most of the time. thats because not only is the system better on a technical level overall but also easy to work on. meaning the consumer is already aware through the product that its better. most dont care about numbers, they care about tangible things, the actual games. this game is not pushing the hardware, which is why achieving 1080p and 60 frames was easy. so from his point of view he's correct.
We're going to hear more from the minority now, because Microsoft is back to being the media darling, and part of that is to claim the Xbox One is as powerful as PS4. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing articles claiming every game looks better on Xbox One. People are so predictable.
Yes, people are indeed that predictable.Your comment is sort of ironic however.
Media darling? Dont be mad bro. Ms is back where they deserve to be. They put in the work making things right when they messed up. Just like sony played the course and reaped around 15million consoles sold. Lets fault sony and ms for doing right /s.
Cry me a river Sony fan seriously tell it like is not the way you assume
I cannot believe people really make that big of deal over the resolution, did u know that twitch on ps4 broadcasts at a lower resolution then Xbox one, 540p on ps4 and 720p on Xbox one, but let me guess, that don't matter and ur right it don't matter just like 1080p vs 900p don't matter. PS3 was more powerful then Xbox 360 did that matter last gen. No it didn't but once again u Sony fanboys are more concerned with these silly things. It's like when a 8 yr old says "oh yeah, well my dad can kick ur dads butt". Lol. I guarantee 99% of people cannot tell the difference between 900p or 1080p. While u joksters are trying to get around psn issues at "full 1080p", I'll be playing on Xbox live at "900p".
Well said and so true Great to see the developers succeed; the tools continue to improve. and sadly, it's bitter pill for some to swallow as we can all see from the hate spammers above.
Twitch streams from PS4 have had a 720p option since FW 1.7 (March). And I wouldn't say it "don't matter," but I would definitely say the stream resolution matters a lot less than the live gaming resolution. Also: "lol" @ "psn always broken / xbl flawless!" implication.
As a PS fan I agree with you. The multiplat discrepancies are only a big deal if all you play are multiplats and even then are minor differences. The true differences will be notable when Uncharted 4 releases. Even Uncharted 3 and TLoU graphically exceed 90% of what we've seen this gen. I guess in the scenario you've given Uncharted 4 would be my dad and Halo 5 would be yours. Weird. Calling it now. Halo has better MP and Uncharted has better single player and graphics. I wonder if U4 will have MP actually...
Good to see so many experts on here today. I'm also sure if Sony came out with a fart scented air freshener you'd all be wearing those around your necks.
If they have "Day After Curry" flavour, i'm in.
I'll stick with "Curried Egg" it's a classic. Gets the girls.
At least their air fresheners don't require proprietary scents and don't work on a pay to sniff model!
Well the game your developing is not particularly demanding sooooo...
I have an idea.. YOU go and make a game on PS4 and Xbox One and then YOU give us your expert opinion. Speak the truth? More like speak a load of piss
The developer wasn't looking to cause trouble. He was just stating his experience on his game. Gamingbolt is just looking for hits.
Classic gamingbolt...always aiming to troll.
So much propaganda, smearing, paid off ppl, big trolls, astroturfing, etc..... FOH everyone knows and it is a fact given Xbox Esram and other deficiencies compared to PS4 PS4 has been easier to develop for and can reach better graphical fidelity and higher rez. Im tired of these bs shills coming out and trying to make it seem as if Xbone is on par when even the biggest moron knows this isnt true. Then you have these indie developers or developpers making rudimentary games stating the obvious "well our game is so basic and simple it was easy to reach 1080p and 60fps on both consoles" like duhhhhhhhhhhh smh
You just better be developing a game on either platform ..
After seeing your disagrees for stating facts it's pain to see this annoying graphical debate is going to rage all generation.
How many major games on PS4 are actually 1080p/60?
http://m.ign.com/wikis/xbox... Far from a perfect article, but there are undoubtedly more games at 1080p 60fps on Ps4 than Xbox One. Whether these differences are due to the power difference or the ever so slight development difference likely depends on the dev.
All but two are 1080: BF4 and AC:U. 60fps is overrated - as long it's stable above 30. AC:U is one of the few which dips below 30 even with a lower res.
Because it's hard to look at a huge page of numbers and wonder what it really means, here they are in percentile format: 1080p30fps - 25% of XBO games (13 games) - 30% of PS4 games (17 games) 1080p60fps - 20% of XBO games (10 games) - 56% of PS4 games (32 games) Sub-1080p - 55% of XBO games (28 games) - 14% of PS4 games (8 games) Notes: I gave the MCC the 1080p60fps since all but one game reached it. Otherwise the game had to meet full gameplay requirements throughout. BF4 beta was noted at sub-1080p on XBO, but they are aiming for 1080p60fps at release.
32 games on ps4 1080p 60fps? that got a be a bunch of indies Almost all the games running 1080p on ps4 can't keep 60fps they all over the place and alien isolation is 1080i on ps4
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xxmagicmanx- Why are you including games that are not even released yet? Are the numbers that pathetic? And speaking of pathetic... the fact that neither of these "next-gen" consoles are powerful enough to run ALL games at 1080p resolution is just sad. And it's not as if the 1080p standard was recently adopted since its been around for a decade. The constant fighting between PS4 and Xbone'ers over resolution needs to stop because the lack of 1080p means they BOTH suck. I guess the PS4 sucks a bit less, but still..
@magicman: alien isolation is not 1080i... that number on the back of the box is the output resolution, not the game's resolution. all games, whether they're on xbone or PS4, that aren't native 1080p are output at 1080p (which is why you see 1080p on the back of the BF4 box even though its native resolution is 900p). it's clearly a typo on the back of the A:I box.
***Why are you including games that are not even released yet? Are the numbers that pathetic? *** 1. That's me, not xxmagicmanx. 2. The list is the one from IGN. 3. The list I gave is just those in the calculation from the IGN list which includes unreleased games on the XBO as well as the PS4. I only provide figures based on the list provided, not an opinion of it or a statement of the validity of future game data.
@cgoodno, Job well done. It's probably better if you put the link directly for ign. http://uk.ign.com/wikis/xbo... For the games that haven't come out yet, you'll see that they put "Targeted" or not if the resolution and frame-rate are already attained/or definitive. Corrections can also be followed in the comments down below.
@cgoodno 8 sub-hd PS4 games? I don't see that many.
I say just like last gen they both have their fair share of advantages and disadvantages .. They both are great consoles nonetheless
Lol. Keep thinking that. Thats what microsoft want. The only real advantage microsoft have is the network. Nothing else the diference in the cpu is like 3 or 4 frames and they were forced to overclock.
Can we see a comparison chart? Maybe the techniques they used?
I cannot believe how many people assume the PS4 is easier to develop for because its more powerful... Its cringeworthy. Especially after a gen where the more powerful console, the PS3, was considerably harder to develop for. So much so acclaimed developers struggled to use it because of how bizarre the Cell processor was. For example: Bayonetta, Skyrim and Brutal Legend all had notable problems.
That's not why people assume the PS4 is easier to develop for.
PlayStation 4, Developer inspired, Gaming Focus. "Ps4, by game creators for game creators," Mark Carney, Feb 20, 2013 unveiling.
... are you serious? It's not because the PS4 is more powerful, though that doesn't at all help. Rather, it's because it's easier to develop for. See, Sony actually went to devs for their input, and used that information to create the PS4. The result is pretty predictable: a more powerful than expected, easy to work with console. The ignorance it takes to make such a statement and ignore all other variables is astounding. Especially knowing there's just so much info out there that makes what you're saying nonsense.
Regardless, graphics are not the most important thing in games. It's important but not as much as other things. Look at mine craft, ridiculously successful game and the graphics aren't anything. What matters is gameplay, FRAMERATE, and online. Not to mention more and more games are 1080p. Guess what a viper has more horsepower than a Ferrari, but that don't mean it's faster. There are a lot more things that go on behind the scenes. On paper the ps4 is more powerful we all would agree. But don't make a comparison like its not powerful and that's exactly what ya'll do. My truck has 400 hp, but it isn't faster then a Ford Fusion. Think about it and research these things before u start talking. Just like some pc games run better on amd the nvidia even though nvidia says they have the fastest gpu. Research before u start talking. Anybody and quote someone else. Come up with ur own opinion after u research it
Never before have i seen a console power difference so downplayed.
Never before have I seen such a small power difference so overplayed. lol. That 40-50% difference in "theoretical maximum power" is just that... theoretical. In real-world use, the difference is more like 25% because there is no such thing as perfect code, zero overhead API's, and zero latency hardware with infinite speed. You think 1.31 tflops to 1.84 tflops is a big difference? Modern PC graphics cards are pushing 5.50 tflops at stock speeds. Easily 7.00 tflops overclocked. Now that's power. the ridiculously priced Titan-Z does 8.00 tflops.
What a pointless flamebait article from a site that's proven to be horrible time and again, yet people get pulled in anyway. Of course this lame game can run at 1080p @ 60fps on both consoles. Smh @ "gamers" these days.
Just wait till the cloud kicks in... :-P Anyways... Even if they kept all xb1 games at 900p and ps4 at 1080p.... I'd still prefer my xb1 and in the foreseeable future... Quantum, Halo and Gears is what I'm looking forward to. Maybe in the future ps4 will change my mind with some really breath taking exclusives.
we've seen devs putting ps4 games at 1080p just so they dont get massive backlash for parity what happens is ps4 then suffers from worse framerate issues. there seems to be a misconception among everyone when they hear "ps4 is more powerful" they actually think ps4 is then powerful which is not the case, both consoles suck, doesnt matter if its stronger then the competition, its still weak hardware wise in todays standards.
Optimized CPU on PS4. Optimized GPU on XBOXONE. I wonder if the PS4 has lower MHZ in CPU due to PSU being inside. If not I see no reason why Sony could not increase it.
snap feature on x1 makes up for any missing grass imo.....people keep telling me how much better my ps4 is than my x1 but I keep scratching my head.....
Why are people still thinking Playstation 4 is a super machine next to Xbox One? Clearly isn't as the differences in numbers are small in PC terms. Besides, Playstation is lacking games right now so I guess the Sony fanboys have finally ran out of pixels to count on the TV.
All of the 50% claims were maybe legit at launch when the xb1 was a mess with rushed incomplete sdks and unoptimized hardware but that is no longer the case. Anybody with a brain would know that. The man himself John Carmack who is an uber geek in terms of tech said they are very close in performance. So I guess it will always be 'yeah but he said...' the proof is in the games as always and XB1 has some games that look better than what is on PS4 - end of story. If PS4 was 50% stronger (which its not) the games would look night and day different especially in Sony's exclusives - which look very good but not any better than the likes of Forza, Ryse, Halo etc. Give it a rest and enjoy them for what they are - this whole rez thing is stupid anyway. Last Gen PS3 was more powerful and had many third party games at lower rez due to the more complex coding for the system but the exclusives really showed what it was capable of. They are both great machines and I own and love both of them for what they are.
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