Japanese researchers develop a 42GB super DVD

A research team from the Institute of Multidisciplinary Research for Advanced Materials of prestigious Tohoku University in Northern Japan announced [JP, PDF] it has found a way to multiply the amount of data that can be stored on a DVD or CD by a factor of 9.

[pharmd]

impressive for a DVD

[NO_PUDding]

But possible with current DVD/CD players?: no
Possible with Blu-Ray players?: no

It's like virtually making a new format.

[pharmd]

i do agree with what you are saying.... it is like investing money in outdated material

however, im just simply impressed with what they have done with this (albeit too late) but to see that the limitations we once percieved have been pushed much further is motivating, especially to see what we can do with what we have now!

[znu]

so it's pretty much redundant

well atleast, if developing these DVD is at the same price as current ones (regular DVDS), then dvd's would be of the same price unlike blu ray which is more expensive (about $5-$10) but it might just die because nobody wants to invest in an outdated movie player

Then again, if these DVDs cost the same amount as blu ray to develop, then its pretty much useless

[The Phantom Agree]

As useless as

A new revolution in gaming... Dreamcast Reborn
Utilizing the same technology as last time, we plan to take out the competition head on using new CD technology

Interview with staff
Researcher: Well we took an existing technology, a cd, and made it better, it can now hold as much as 2 gb of data, unfortunatly development costs are high, but our new technology is perfect for Dreamcast Reborn

CEO: We plan to take on our competitors, first of all, we're going to take out the wii, by marketing with a kitten as a logo, then we will take out the xbox 360 by hitting it with some heavy shooters such as Failo 2d. We plan to take out the ps3 by marketing out new product as a Super Ultra Mega VCD player and give rpg's like Final Failure. With ideas like these, we can't fail.
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Don't know why I did that????
whatever, bubbles and agrees for everyone who posted above

EDIT
wow i can't give any of you bubbles, already given you guys recently, lol, oh well, i can still agree with you guys

[ianp622]

Even if the media costs the same, the equipment to make and read these DVD's would be much more expensive.

[NegativeCreep427]

This is basically a Blu-Ray disc with slightly less storage and it doesn't have the Blu-Ray name on it. For the expansion on CD, I see some merit in its conception, but for DVD its basically a slightly less inferior version of Blu-Ray. Is Microsoft behind this or what?

[permutated]

Stop talking sh!t about the Dreamcast and maybe so many people wouldn't take bubbles away from you.

[The Phantom Agree]

Okay, didn't mean to offend anyone, didn't really know why I did it myself

Have a bubble :)

[DARKKNIGHT]

"impressive for a dvd"-1st post

lol.
9x4.7=

4 x 50.0=?????

dvd is on its way out as far as movies, but it is still used in pc as storage. im guessing this will be some sort of new sata3 drive, which is not bad if you look at the storage capabilities.

[boodybandit]

**1.2 - @ no pudding
i do agree with what you are saying.... it is like investing money in outdated material**

It works for Nintendo ;)

[godofthunder10]

i think that it's out dated before it's even released.br is dropping in price to start with.the new cds will probaly be higher then br when it's released ,if ever it is released.

the new cd still hold less then br and it's still not in hd.the truth is that the new cds will probaly never see daylight because who would buy them.first they can't be played in regular dvd or cd players.no one would buy the new dvd players just to play the new dvds when they could probaly buy a br player and br movies cheaper when it's released.

i'm not a big br fan and i don't even care about it but any one could see that br has a big advantage over the new dvds in every way.people would be crazy to invest in a new dvd player just to play the new dvds when they could buy a new br player.

[Bladestar]

It was never a secret that more research can be done with the existing DVDs to increase it's capacity instead of making an entire new format... but it's a lot easier for certain companies to create a new format and force everyone to spend money buying new hardware and pay more money fo the actual movies...

[heyheyhey]

so what are you saying?

Sony shouldn't of included a Blu-Ray drive because they were supposed to know that some Japanese dudes would come up with a new DVD?

are you also aware that Blu-Ray is the reason there isn't any piracy with PS3 games? and it's the reason there won't be for many years to come?

are you aware that BD's are harder to scratch? i don't know about you, but i used to accidentally scratch PS1/PS2/CD ALL the time cos im a clumsy git, BD's.... no prob

BD is the next-gen of technology, don't like it? don't buy a PS3 or BD-player, no-one is forcing you to- stop complaining so much

damn whiners..

[kazuma]

the no-scratches stuff on blu-rays is probably the BEST thing about them

[Gorgon]

"but it's a lot easier for certain companies to create a new format and force everyone to spend money buying new hardware and pay more money fo the actual movies..."

Too bad you didn't read the part about these discs not beying compatible with current CD/DVD players, which means you would HAVE TO BUY NEW HARDWARE. Next time read the whole thing before making dumb comments out of fanboyism.

[OgTheClever]

Sorry to be a party pooper but blu ray discs in their original state are a lot easier to scratch than CD's and DVD's.

The reason that blu rays bought by consumers are so resilient is that there is an advanced hard polymer coating on the surface; I don't know if this is also applicable to other formats.

EDIT
To anyone that disagrees can they please present evidence that states otherwise.

[The Lazy One]

Ur right. the people that disagreed with you are just idiots.

[Lumbo]

The hardcoating is MANDATORY for BluRay, hence the value of your statement is in essence : zero, therefor people can disagree with you. BluRay disks in their ORIGINAL state come with the hardcoating. DVD's on the other hand come in their original state WITHOUT hardcoating.

Its the same pointless failed attempt at argumentation like telling people cars are subject to rusting without the finish, hence cars are bad. But the finish is PART of the system. Hence arguing that anything would be worse without it is pointless, as it is there.

[OgTheClever]

I'm actually a Blu Ray supporter.

I wasn't trying to say that the coating was bad thing, I was really ultimately questioning whether it is applicable to DVD's and other formats.

Maybe I should have added a bit more emphasis to my belief that Blu Ray is still the future in my original comment.

[Kyur4ThePain]

This would require new hardware too, you idiot. It can't be used with existing DVD hardware.
You need to stop shooting your mouth off like that.

But I know...anything that even SEEMS remotely possible to be used against Sony in your little 2 celled brain sets off a chain of twitches that you just can't control. Kinda like a primitive form of life. Fitting, really.

[Rageanitus]

Please leave this site. Or put these sortuv childish comments in the open zone ======>

BTW no one is forcing anyone to buy the new tech... if that were teh case all the companies will be working together to get rid of DVD BLUNTLY

Plus hehe did you know digital distribution is a format in itself... I guess ms is forcing us to use it eh.

[Rageanitus]

@OgTheClever LOL

The hard coating is mandatory on blu-ray discs, I never knew they shipped a final disc without a coating.

Its like saying a police cruiser is as a weak as a normal car.... But guess what they modify the cruiser to meet the standards.

The standard of a dvd is not the same as a blu-ray disc hence your point is pointless.

[The Devil]

.

[OgTheClever]

My comment wasn't perfectly written, I am only human by the way. :(

It was only quickly written and maybe it does make the coating sound like a bad thing.

I probably should have just explained why Blu Ray is so resilient and be done with that. I also never thought to mention that it's standard and I now realise that it's pretty much impossible to change the standards of current DVD's

The main point I was making was to question whether it is possible to use the polymers with other formats (that's why I said "original state" in my first sentence)

[juuken]

Are you serious?
And OG...are YOU serious?!

[Statix]

OG raises a question that's fair. Wouldn't it be possible to apply the same hardcoat polymer to DVDs? Maybe it wouldn't be standard for all shipped DVDs, but some movie studios could get the ball rolling; like Warner Bros or Sony or Paramount could make it mandatory/standard that ALL their movie DVDs from this point forward come with this hard polymer protectant? Likewise, Microsoft could make it compulsory for all future XB360 game DVDs to use this hardcoat as well.

Not that I really care, because I have a PS3.

[Testo]

Since DVD and blu-ray use different laser spectrums to read the data off of the disks. Perhaps standard DVD players can't get past the hard polymer to read the data.

I don't know really, just thinking out loud

[The Lazy One]

Blu-Ray wasn't designed with the polymer taken into account. It was put in after the format was "finished" because they were easier to scratch than DVDs (or that the scratches affected them more, not sure).

[DARKKNIGHT]

Pladestar-(It was never a secret that more research can be done with the existing (windowsxp,xbox,zune,vista)VDs to increase it's capacity instead of making an entire new format... but it's a lot easier for certain companies to create a new (360elite,zune, vista, windows 7, hddvd) format and force everyone to spend money buying new hardware and pay more money fo the actual (everything ms/xbox HW/live related is a ripoff) movies)-Pladestar

pwnrship.

[crank]

bladestar, please fall down a large flight of stairs and silence yourself.

[Condoleezza Rice]

And this ^ ,is exactly why Blu Ray will be the last great Disc Format.

[clintos59]

Also would like to add, even though there is more space to this, it doesnt matter because bluray surpasses this not only in space if needed with a whopping 100 to 200gb bluray disc's but also has better hd quality picture, better surround sound quality, and can hold much more on one disc. I aint no expert and all but I can see just from dvd making this, shows the fear they have in bluray taking over as the new standard format.

[Rageanitus]

Hence its another format..... its just another evolution of the optical disc formats.

[meepmoopmeep]

i wouldn't jump ahead and say it's the last great optical disc unless the future goes to a new medium that's not disc based.

[BlueRevolvuR]

too late I think for a new dvd. I've already been purchasing new releases on bd since May 2007. Plus I like blu-ray's casing better.

[Obama]

What's the use if it is not compatible with current dvd players?
Bladestar got owned.

[TheExodus]

No, actually Bladestar is being rational while you reek of something more suited to the next tab.

The last refresh to the DVD format was the addition of DVD+R/DVD+RW. There isn't a single 1st generation DVD player that can read this format and hardware iterations as recent as the PS2 have trouble with it depending on the brand of disc and how it was recorded.

Fact is the original single layer DVD that was introduced in 1993 has already undergone two extreme evolutionary changes (DVD DL and DVD+R/DVD+RW) yet survives to this day as the dominant media format for video distribution.

Consumers aren't exactly beating a path to Sony's door for Blu-ray now that HD DVD is out of the way, so why are you so quick to discount DVD undergoing a third extreme evolutionary change (Super DVD) to remain the dominant media format for video distribution?

[MikeGdaGod]

bladestar's whole point was to say the bluray isn't really needed and it's bad because you're "forced" to buy new hardware for it. yet he failed to realize that this new dvd would still require you to buy new hardware to be able to use it......same as bluray.

he tried to knock bluray, and in turn, knocked himself. please don't try to defend him. you only make yourself look bad.

[jke82]

the fact remains that it would still be required for you to get new hardware making the whole move to "super dvd" pointless. dvd is not going to remain as the dominant format because its a new format requiring you to get new hardware where as the old mutations that dvd took on didn't....

[TheExodus]

Good Will Hunting was released on DVD in '98 and it was the 1st DVD that my 1st generation player couldn't read, but 1 disc out of hundreds didn't force an upgrade so my 1st generation player wasn't replaced until Christmas of '99.

My 2nd DVD player upgrade came in '02. The original releases of Bedazzled & Planet of the Apes were both Nuon enhanced DVDs. Nuon enchanced DVDs didn't force an upgrade, but I just had to play Tempest 3000.

It's not only hardware that has needed to be upgraded over DVD's decade long run. Last month I repurchased Stargate because my 1st generation disc is double-sided single-layer which means I had to flip the disc half way through, a pain in the a** that DVD's dual-layer evolution resolved. I also repurchased Waterworld because the DVD-ROM in my Mac couldn't read the 1st generation disc for some reason.

Super DVD would require a player upgrade just like previous iterations of DVD, but most of those could again be made via attrition. Blu-ray also requires a player upgrade. IMO the viability of Super DVD would come down to cost & consumer reluctance to let go of DVD. If support for Super DVD can be added to DVD players without increasing the cost of players or discs Blu-ray could quickly be history.

[user858621]

forget it japan the bots wud rather see americans make hardware for them and watch it RROD lmao!!

[n00bzRtehgey]

Nazi'm, better than having dumb japs make your hardware unusable for game developers ;)

[Mr Fancy Pants]

this guy thinks it's better to have a console that RRoD then one that is unusable for game developers.

the thing is man that we got games a lot of them now but you still have a crappy console that RRoD... lol

ok now with the article: "This fascinating technology has two main drawbacks. Firstly, the new super discs cannot be used in existing CD/DVD drives. It is secondly impossible to apply the new technology to Blu-ray discs."

--then what's the point in making them??? so much work for nothing.

[n00bzRtehgey]

yes. I do think it's better that way. why? a RROD is a free repair and back to all the great games and live. u are STUCK with PS3 LOL. u can't REPAIR TEH CELL LOOOLOLL

[Common Sense]

How can you justify RROD? Even Microsoft knows it is a bad time and won't justify their mistake. You take fanboyism to a level that no one can relate to; not even people on Microsoft's payroll will say such a thing.

Your ignorance truly is very sad. why would you repair the cell? There is nothing wrong with it. It's a little tough to program for but guess what, it's new technology. As time goes on, developing for the cell will be a little easier just like the emotion chip.

[iGrenade]

@n00bz. You have shown me a completely new level of incompetence I have never seen in my life. Seriously, I wonder what the hell goes through the brains of bots. "u can't REPAIR TEH CELL LOOOLOLL"? Silly bot, this has been the biggest WTF for me this year. Congrats bro.

[KBDuB]

Actually, I agree with him, only because I haven't had a console RRoD.=)

[TheSilentZero]

"better than having dumb japs make your hardware"
Do You ever think before you talk?

[zapass]

if you ignore obnoxious xbiotches, you potentially miss hilarious quotes like:

"u can't REPAIR TEH CELL LOOOLOLL "

or

"better than having dumb japs make your hardware unusable for game developers"

even better:

"The GPU rasterizers are post-gigaflop based with semi-transister radiates"

LOL!

[dragunrising]

That would be nice...and more news worthy I might add. If M-soft doesn't want to pay for a blu-ray drive in the next Xbox, they might be able to use this tech; this is provided that the technology is cheaper to produce and not just a research product that goes no where. Personally, I think both Xbox "720" and PS4 will have blu-ray and a faster drive to boot.

[dragunrising]

I have to comment on my own comment? Nothing I said was pro this or anti that. I propositioned that the next generation of consoles would use blu-ray tech, provided there wasn't an alternative for Xbox. What is there to disagree about? Too bad no one has the logic or courage to tell me why they disagree.

[Raoh]

is at companies for back ups to writable dvd towers. at my company last year they purchased a blu ray tower just for that. it was costly but the price of server storage has gone up too. some places are at about 10k/15k per terrabyte.

[bootsielon]

However, it doesn't matter if you increase the storage space if you don't increase the read speeds, and by that I don't mean converting your disc reader into an airplane turbine like on Xbox 360 since that would be annoying. The reason why Blu-ray is the next-step is because it's quiet and yet it reads relatively fast even at 2x.

Sony could theoretically make a 1000 layer Blu-ray disc (it is possible) for PS4, but saving costs on R&D means you'll incurr on costs of machines (better machines), quality (huge speeds would mean higher failure rates) and discs (lots of coasters).

Hell, there was even a development in a very thin laser that could increase data storage ten fold, but just because information layers grow thiner it doesn't mean reading it would be as fast. Which is why the next step after Blu-ray is probably a paradigm change, which means no lasers, but rather holographic storage. If not for consumers, for corporations.

[The Lazy One]

There would be WAY too much data loss once you got that many layers. It would just be a novelty with no realistic application.

If they did make a laser that could cut through that without any loss, the heat it put out would probably be enough to burn your ceiling, as the disc and cover of the player would have probably already melted.

[DX F3NIX]

i agree with you MS should look into this and invest in technology like this. just imagine the type of games dev. would be able to make since they say its easy for them to make games. man i just hope MS doesn't let this go to waste.

[Xemnas]

Japan what are you doing nooo stop O_o leave it alone.

[KILLERAPP]

The 360 owners are funny they say that they will not buy blue ray because is too soon but when MS says the next xbox comes put in 2010 they will buy it and is not too soon what is the differences between the two stop been fanboys and move on technology is advancing rapidly as it always you create something today and tomorrow something better comes out welcome to the real world grow up.

[kazuma]

made by sony = evil

(for them)

[The Lazy One]

it's because one is a media format, and one is a console.

the average console's life cycle is 5 years (2010 will be 5 years for 360).

[DX F3NIX]

i have a question if anybody could answer it for me. is it possible for them to use the same way they increased the dvd to 42 gb to use it on Blu Ray and greatly increase its size from say 200gb to i don't know 1 tb. just a question if anybody could answer it. i don't know jack crap about dvd's and blu ray's. can this even be applied? if so can the blu ray stay in its current format but just with more memory and be used to make endless playing game on a ps3 or 360?

[Boldy]

"It is secondly impossible to apply the new technology to Blu-ray discs."

[gnothe1]

N4G
Sony product= Horray!! best ever, I want
Everybody else= noobs, waste of time, sony is better!!

I've come to the conclusion that no matter whats being made, if its not developed by sony the fanboys will dismiss it.

[Kyur4ThePain]

And if it is made by Sony, you will dismiss it.
What's your point?

The problem here is that there is no advantage over BD. What would be the point of this other than to confuse the market (again...HD-DVD did just that). Now, if there was a major advantage for the consumer, great. But as I see it, there's nothing in it for us. We would still have to buy new hardware to use it.

[thehitman]

me that you would support this and buy it so the entire world can see how dumb you are.

[The Lazy One]

It could cost less to produce and distribute. It could cost less to make the new hardware, as it would be more modifications to old hardware than investing in entirely new hardware.

It could cost less for consumers too.

don't be so fast to dismiss it. What happens if they can release players for $100 or less? The discs themselves could be standard DVD rate. That's a lot of money to save.

[gnothe1]

thats where your wrong!! im a little more open minded an level headed when it comes to consumer electronics an sony!! sony makes alot of very good products, but its not always the best. I use alot of sony products, like my 60 in 1080p SXRD HDTV, PS3, sony handycam, PS2,PSP, 1000watt sony Explode car amplifier(still have) an even had a 36 in GRAND WEGA series HDTV even sony VCR's an dvd players. but you guys act as if sony products NEVER breaks or is the best product availble EVER, when in actuality, i went through 4 PS2's,had to replace my camcorder once an the battery twice, my grand wega hdtv died on me in about 2 an a half years, VCR was eating tapes but the DVD player was great. i have been using SONY for years but their not the greatest thing since sliced bread. many of you think they are, but why did they loose so much of the TV market to samsung, sony was the leader in portable music(walkman)thats no longer the case. sony was the leader in alot of home appliences but they no longer are, WHY? because other companies can build just as good or better products for LESS!! you use to get great quality with the name SONY but now all you get is a great name, high price an a decent product!!

[thehitman]

no1 said Sony is the best you putting things into ppl mouths. However it is a fact they have the BEST format out to date and it is a fact that it will become the next standard for at least 6-8 years.

[tweaker]

"but you guys act as if sony products NEVER breaks or is the best product availble EVER"

Actually nobody even said that. lol

[crazyclown]

this could lead to a better blu-ray holding more than 100gigs

[Boldy]

Some people really don't read the article:

"It is secondly impossible to apply the new technology to Blu-ray discs."

[darkshiz]

Why need it when Blu Ray can go up to 200g.

There's an article a month or 2 ago said something about 1 gig.

[Dannagar]

Sounds like that solves Microsoft's Problems.

[jessupj]

Heh, I was just about to say.

I can see how much ms would absolutely haaaate putting bluray in their next xbox, but I think it's unlikely. I wouldn't be surprised though. Ms is more stubborn and arrogant then JT.

[Mc Fadge]

It doesn't work with current DVD players, which means that it's pretty much a new format, with even less chance of succeeding than HD-DVD had :/

[poopface1]

But there really is NO POINT for this, UNLESS it can be used on current DVD players. So this is HD-dvd, again. If this could be used in normal DVD players then there would be no reason for bluray movies.

[poopface1]

there isnt. everyone would need to buy a new dvd player, and really bluray has already filled that need. This would be HD dvd all over again. if this worked on normal dvd players then everyone would but HD dvd that play on the dvd player that they bought for 40$, but it doesnt, so nobody is going to buy the new player, and it will never be used for storage cause bluray already holds much more data.

[TheExodus]

In it's two years on the market Blu-ray has sold 11 million discs to 13 million players, the attach rate for Blu-ray is still less than 1 disc per player. Contrast that to DVD which sold 14 million discs to 1 million players in it's first year on the market. Blu-ray is stillborn.

Yes, you can blame me for Blu-ray's abysmal attach rate! I bought the MSG4 bundle two weeks ago, own 14 PS3 games & 0 Blu-ray movies.

[SpartanGR]

There's already 100gb Blu-Ray discs around, so anything else is FUTILE

[dcbronco]

If this new tech is backward compatible, cost the same or similar to DVD and maintains the same read/write speeds, then Blu-Ray has a problem. Blu-Rays advantage over DVD was space, this makes that much less of an issue. Unless Blu-Ray sold 30 million stand-alones after I went to bed last night, it still hasn't established it self as anything but a niche product. Because people who say no one wants to buy new equipment again has to include Blu-Ray in that. And if I walk into an electronics store tomorrow looking for a video player and I see a $400 Blu-Ray player and a 42 GB DVD playing upscaling DVD player for $119, I'm definitely getting the DVD player. It's updating, but feels more like just buying another DVD player. Considering less than 1%(still less than 2% with the PS3) percent of the American public has bought a Blu-Ray player, I think this could be a very successful disc. Also remember that Microsoft was already working on a version of HDi for DVD, this makes that easy. Again if the cost are the same, you'll see all current DVD players liquidated and these would replace them. And like some else mentioned, there goes any chance of Blu-Ray coming to the next Xbox.

[poopface1]

it says it isnt backwards compatable.

Dc bonco below--- in the future they wont have to install games that are on bluray cause the drives will have a faster read time.

[dcbronco]

But if the cost are the same, why would any DVD player manufacturer leave themselves out of a potentially profitable market. If the cost are in line, manufacturers will start making their players work for these disc as soon as possible. If this is even slightly more expensive and is ready for mass market, expect it to replace regular DVD players this year. As far as the next PlayStation having faster drives, you're right. But, with all the money Sony is losing, the next PS might not hit the market until 2015. Sony is still losing money, some say over a hundred dollars per console sold. That will change with the next die shrink, but it will still be losing money. But the next Xbox will hit the market in 2010 or 11, These disc would be perfect for it.

[coasterfreak1029]

Yes, free repair, but do you know how much it cost Microsft to fix it?
1 BILLION dollars. However, I have to complement on how well they did bringing the failure rate from 33% down to 15%. Congrats. Sony did not have to deal with this problem that much. Failure Rate: 0.1%. Good luck with 8.5 GB games.

[The END]

I care what it costs MSoft because....................... ..not to sure there man.

1. MSoft is not going to go belly up over that much money.
2. MSoft is not paying me anything and I do not own stock in the company...

So again, I ask "I care what it costs MSoft because............???

[OmarJA]

YAAAAAWWWWWN

so ?

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Yep!;) Your right...YAWN...SOOOOOOOOOO What???
Luckily i put the SUPERIOR Blu-ray in the SUPERIOR Console the PS3!!!
;-P

[TruthbeTold]

...that Nintendo's next system will use this disk instead of Blu Ray since it will be cheaper. Bleh...

[dcbronco]

Why should Microsoft except the installs of Blu-Ray or help save Sony on a failed format.

[Mc Fadge]

That 'failed' format is what all HD movies will be published on :/

[Says you]

They would have announced that they took it down %15 its still %33 or higher.

[Strife Lives]

And here it is.Microsoft,here you are.stop wasting time with internet search engines and buy them.buy the people.buy the university.buy the ideas.buy it all.then call Rockstar and tell em to start on GTA5 ! ! And,maybe ,ask Bill,for old times sake,ring up Hideo Kojima lol

[Says you]

All they need to do is give the PS3 an update and we'll be able to play 1Terrabyte Blu Ray games and plus this DVD is only 42GB that's still not enough when it comes to Blu Ray

[RAM MAGNUMS]

they rather give you a song and dance & try to make a deal instead.
get real!
Xbutts can lower the failure rate as much as they want but the facts are that xbutts opinion is fine by them!
to them rrod is ignored like the d-pad on the xbox controller.
it doesn't bother them if no one mentions it.
garbage.
my GOD, xbutt when are you all gonna grow up?!?
At e3 the biggest news is a kids game gears2, a childrens xbox-tv combo & a fairy tale fable 2 & a kids wiimote!!!
these gamers are freaking morons.
Dream big!

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Hmmm seem to have some droids here sh!ting their pants, check your undies.

[Skip_Bayless]

Don't hold your breath. If you put this disc in a 360 it would DRE. In other words it would disc read error.

[user858621]

hey bot y dnt u rely on "more advance compressing methods" HAHAHAHA!!!!
thought u bots daint need more storage and were happy with a 17 disc game

[JBaby343]

More space is not needed remember. Isn't that the typical response from all bots to discredit blu-ray. DVD's are plenty of space as they are. You need to study the bot handbook again if you forgot this major argument point. This doesn't scare anyone but it does make your console even more outdated than before. Last-gen tech anyone?

[Tunerboy8732]

Me want Super DVD.Me tired of regular DVD.

[Enigma_2099]

... then what's the point?

[Wurider]

Now we all know that Microsoft doesn't want to embrace Blu ray and it is quite obvious that DVD-9 will not cut it anymore and Digital downloads may not be fully realized yet. How about the possibility of flash based "cartridges". I think that 16 gb and 32gb are already out there. It will be a matter of time before they get 50 to 100 gb on a stick. The advantages would be or could lead to total elimination of load times. Maybe me if digital distribution becomes a reality maybe they can sell larger ones where you can just go to a Gamestop, Walmart, etc and just download the game to the flash drive. I am no engineer but some type of hardware/software combination would have to be implemented to prevent piracy or the flash drive would only work on the users console only. I am also thinking that the design should not allow it to be connected to a computer under any circumstances. Hell you can even put HD movies on the things. Movies, games and music all in your pocket. This would eliminate packing costs and probably put Gamestop's used games department out of business. Without a media drive in the system resources could be geared toward something else such as more system memory. They would probably have more success at preventing piracy on this format that disc based formats. Technically this is possible now.

[CrazedFiend]

that besides the size, the features that Blu-ray offers (and HD DVD used to offer) goes beyond what is possible on DVD's.

It's nice and inspiring to say that it can be done, but as someone said b4, too little too late.

[dcbronco]

That is what allows for web based features and software PIP. Microsoft is currently working on HDi for DVD. With this much space they could have HD video, higher quality sound and the interactive features also. Blu-Ray's only advantage would be space. And in most cases, all of the space is not needed. For games, these disc would be more than enough.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

They made a new format using old technology while Blu-ray discs can go up to 1TB (Tera Byte) of data.

1TB Blu-Ray Compatible Optical Disc Announced HTML: http://hardware.slashdot.or...

Sony to implement BD-Live on all future Blu-ray releases HTML: http://www.engadgethd.com/2...

[dcbronco]

The 1 TB disc is a completely new format. The players for this format can play Blu-Ray disc, but Blu-Ray players can't play those disc.

http://www.call-recall.com/...

[thehitman]

1TB is unnessary. I dont even think all the ppl on this post together has 1TB of info stored on their PCs HD let alone having a disc that can support it. 1TB be good 8-10 years from now when DD could look more promising.

[TheExodus]

Umm, I actually have 6 1TB drives & 4 500GB drives attached to my network :)

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

The disc would do best with video content especially when higher HD (High Definition) comes out later on. Once that comes out you'll need more space to hold all that data. With the new discs they can just release an update to support them. They're using the same technology in the original blu-ray discs.

Of course this can be used for other things like backing up your computers stored files. Movie companies can definitely release trilogies on a single disc. I see it more as a future proof disc meaning that we most likely won't see a new format until 2 to 3 decades from now.

[ROCCOZILLA]

dvd is garbage,if your not spinning BLU RAY get in your time machine and go back to 2007.PLAY B3YOND waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay B3YOND!!

[IaMs12]

Im sorry say but i think the Xbox 360 multidisk threats just went out the window....

[jams_shop]

I guess you're buying a new xbox 360... read the article please.

[enjoi187]

im going to say soon enough wont matter. digital/instant DL

[Neo604]

360 is reaching its limits. In couple of years, games will get bigger and bigger.

[N4g_null]

After watching the Wii get hacked I bet nintendo will be all over this and so will MS. it's not compatible with normal drives and the could hide their security in the new pits. This is blu rays future competitor and if it has a read speed faster than blu rays and then it's going to be great for consoles. What is funny is this set up may be way cheaper than blu rays. I guess we will see.

Man people on here defending blu ray so hard fail to see the use of the thing. Being fanboys makes peoples IQ drop like a hundred points. I'm also wondering how this will stack up against HD dvd drives. New tech is always good but terabyte optical disk will be out by then. As long as the seek time is not horrible on these disk they may have an edge. The funny thing is blu ray won and the format still isn't doing crazy good numbers. Shaky ground just waiting for some thing better to come out.

[TheExodus]

Typical playground bullies, all talk and no action. Hitman & Resident Evil: Extinction should have easily given Blu-ray a 2:1 attach rate. I don't know how Blu-ray can be two years into it's life cycle & still have an attach rate of less than 1 disc per player, but seems to me it's caught a major case of UMD.

[N4g_null]

So true. Did you know the tool set to even make BD-ray movies is like $30,000 just for the program! WOW!

[EL MAESTRO]

everyone is always missing the point. Is not what they accomplished, is the process they used to get there. all this research is done to get a way to develop something where this process can be applied to something else. this is how they get a lot of medicine in the market.

[ReBurn]

I find it funny that people automatically assume that there is some threat to Blu-Ray and start bashing the technology as useless. The article doesn't say anything about an intended use, so please stop filling that vacuum with useless speculation.

Just because Blu-Ray beat HD-DVD doesn't mean that there's no sense in companies doing research into new technologies. What's important here is that someone is looking for new uses for existing technology that might one day spark new, better technologies.

[RINGOFDEATH]

It wouldnt even sell. Did you all know that TDK made a 500Ghz BLU Ray Disc. I bet everyone forgot about this.

[FKN Unbelievable]

That MS is on the Prowl. Billy Gates left to be a philantroper just to lay low while is schemes play out.His bank account is open anything that will help his team get ahead. Trust me MS will fuk around and Help with funding on this one to make it work.

[dodgecity]

bluray is very expensive to make and this obviously is not. So it can do what bluray can do cheaper and using cheaper readers/writers. That's really awesome.

[SpecialSauce]

blu ray already killled HDDVD and DVD haven't you guys heard they're dead plus blu ray still better.

[ben806]

even if it is less expensive to produce, they would still have to bring it to mass market, advertise it, make people want to buy the new compatible dvd players and get studio support- thats the big point cus pretty much all major studios are with bluray now. as for manufacture of the new players panasonic, samsung and sony would not be interest they have blu-ray. this is a science fair project really it will never see the light on day and anybody can quote me on that.

[TheExodus]

Umm, name one movie that's been released on Blu-ray that hasn't been released on DVD. "Super DVD" is a change to how data is stored on DVD, not a new format. Not to mention the fact that if studios were so enamored with Blu-ray's attach rate that's still struggling to reach one disc per player two years into it's life cycle, why are they all feverishly attempting to upsell DVDs by including digital copies? Hell, at this point I'll even go so far as to say that resentment is likely a major contributing factor in studios dragging their feet on licensing agreements for digital distribution via PSN. Go UMD, I mean Blu-ray!

[Dogswithguns]

.....the standard DVD may last longer life span?

[jspc1989]

but you do know Ghz represents speed not storage dont you? x

[Voiceofreason]

LOL all it takes is one look over these posts to see just how clueless most people are. BLu ray is not the winner, Blu ray is not set in stone to be the next big thing. Blu ray only represents 11% of the movie market with DVD accounting for the other 89%.Do any of you even know what the best selling movie players are now? Upscaling DVD players. Not Blu ray players.Will Blu Ray win or die? I have no clue but its far from over. Hd-DVD may be dead but that wasnt Blu Rays only competition.

[ChickeyCantor]

its a shame that a standart DVD player cant read it, else the 360 could take advantage of it. Wii however....Developers have enough with 9gigs.

A damn shame.

I'snt this Disc real cheap to make?

[fashionfreakj86]

Wow, maybe in a few months....xbox 360 development team will create a patch update to play the disc or the japanese dvd development team will fix the 42gb dvd to play on regular dvd players. When this is accomplished....Xbox 360 gamers will finally be able to play large PS3 BLu-Ray games like MGS4,Killzone 2, or L.A Noire.

"Sigh"...If only this was possible, only a 360 gamer can dream!!!

I Wish I Wish!!!

Check out my myspace:

Myspace.com/hustlerj86

[ChickeyCantor]

...No, screw your myspace....
FS........

[ThatArtGuy]

the maximum bitrate for DVD is severely lower than Blu-Ray as well. DVD's stream much less information. Storage space isn't the only advantage to a Blu-Ray disc.

[pow3r of t3h c3ll]

Why they wasted their time?

Could they not have done this with a bluray disc and made an ultra bluray disc?

As for 360 fans LOL this disc still falls short of blu ray by 8GB and the 360 would just get DRE anyway(well it only gets DRE when its not getting RROD)

LOLOLOLROFLLMAO!

[Pain]

Read a magazine.

[KeiZka]

All I see here are rabid sonyboys with bluehued glasses. Where did you get them again?

[Pain]

the side that Won, thats where.

[Lumpyluf]

Thats a big dvd, its probably the size of a pizza or something =) jk
but that actually is really cool

[DFresh]

I guess it's something for the 360 developers to use to make bigger games but even then that still won't matter because Sony is already in the process of developing the 100GB Blu-ray disc and later on 2 years after that the 200GB Blu-ray disc will be released.

[dcbronco]

Firstly, Blu-Ray has not caught on, it would not take much to get it out of the way. All future DVD players could include the ability to use these disc. Millions of DVD players get sold each year in the US alone. So many that they would almost eclipse worldwide Blu-Ray players sells in the world to date in a single year, excluding computers. If DVDs released from here on would contain an HD copy and a standard copy of the film, you would only have to advertise that all DVDs are now in true Hi-Definition and not up-converted. 42 GBs is more than enough to do this. Actually, I'm not sure that you would even need that, the player could just send out the proper signal for the output used.

@ThatArtGuy DVD can run a far greater speeds than Blu-Ray, it more than makes up for the difference. Right now I believe a 4x Blu was just introduced, the speed on that would be around 144. DVD is over 200 at this point. BD-Live is Blu-Rays only "advantage"(in qoutes because most of the people who own players for movies(stand-alones) can't use it since they need a new machine.

Another thing is that while they say it isn't compatible with Blu-Ray, it should be compatible with HD DVD. DVD and HD DVD are really the same disc, the difference being the Blu-diode used and the smaller pit size on the disc. So a single layer HD would hold 30GBs, a dual-layer 60GBs and a triple-layer 90GBs. If Toshiba still wants to own the video market, and I think they do more than ever, the would license this technology. Microsoft would just need to hurry up with the DVD HDi and Blu-Ray would be gone, except for Sony consoles before it makes it out of the crib.

(Preemptive strike for the disagrees, state why you disagree so we know you're not just a fanboy.)

[IaMs12]

Best thing to do is wait and see, they may find a way to update it where it is playable on current DVD players and so for.... for instance computers and Xbox 360s and PS3 and Wii can have some sort of downloadable update that may fix the problem or were just screwed and need dish out money to buy new players lol.... we will see in the long run who knows what might happen...

[dkgshiz]

Yea,this would obviously be really expensive to make. Much more than a regular bluray disk. So for any xbots that think the 360 will start to use these 42gb dvds. Your dreaming. This would cost way to much just to produce a single disk.