Just recently, Wii Live posted up scans of the Wii version of Sonic Unleashed. Now, I understand it is early to judge, and they are scans, and we haven't seen the game in motion. But the one question I have to ask: Are they really trying?
It's not even worth it, as wii owners will buy it anyway. Besides... who bought a Wii for graphics? If you bought it for graphics, you're a dipsh1t (like the writer of this article). I thought "LOL GRAPHICS DONT MATER LOL". Stick with you last gen technology if you are so apologetic about it, just don't come crying later about how bad the games play and look.
just because the Wii doesn't have a higher graphical capability as the other next-gen systems doesn't mean we want our games looking bad. Super Mario Galaxy is a wonderful example of how good games can look on Wii. That's the kind of graphics that we want.
Really, graphics don't matter that much. But shall I can't the amount of times I've heard PS3 owners complaining about how most PS3 games don't look better then 360 games, even though the console is capable of more? Wii owners feel the same way.
F F S! read the article. He is saying he wants developers pushing the max out of the consoles he or anyone else owns. Its not that he wants 360 gfx >_<
Why haven't the Wii owners realized they are getting ripped off from the start anyway. $250 for last gen tech with wireless motion controls is seriously over priced and should have been $150 from the start. I mean the xbox360 is $280 now, why would you get one...
Because most Wii owners are either casual gamers, or dedicated Nintendo fans. Yes, I'm a dedicated Nintendo fan, and technically, it's not last gen tech if it's stronger then all the last gen consoles. If developers can push all this "sophisticated next-gen technology" then don't you think they would have no problem pushing what everyone calls "last-gen technology?"
I don't wanna dis the wii, but it's really no more powerful than an xbox and it has less storage too.
The GPU (graphics processing unit) in the Wii is stronger then the Xbox's. If the Wii has a stronger GPU, then it is stronger then the Xbox and can produce better graphics. Most games look like PS2 games, although Technically, Wii can do games that if pushed right, wouldn't be possible on the original Xbox.
The wii has a slightly more advanced GPU running at 243 mhz vs the xbox's 233 mhz GPU, a slightly more advanced, but comparable CPU and an extra 24 megs of ram. Yippee. It hardly has any storage space and apparently it has issues with pixel shading. So yes, it's a little more powerful than an xbox, but where exactly is your $250 going when you buy one of these things?
The $250 is going towards the controller, the Nintendo games, which are always good. I'm not saying I bought this console for graphics. No one should buy any console for graphics. But whats wrong with wanting the most out of your console?
There's nothing wrong with that at all. I agree that devs could be getting more out of the wii and if they expect to get gamer's hard earned money they need to step up their game. Guess we got off topic here, but what I was getting at was that Nintendo should at least include another wii-mote and nunchuk in the box with these things. $250 gets you a console that would have blown the competition out of the water LAST gen. They were making profit off these things the day they hit the market. That's nice for Nintendo and all, but if they're making so much money one would think that would reflect in the price of their console. Microsoft and Sony dropped the prices of their consoles like 3 times already and Nintendo hasn't once. Just because they don't need to doesn't mean they shouldn't. Failing that, maybe they could put some of those huge profits from their hardware division into securing some good titles that don't star a fat plumber.
I looked at the screens and what is missing the most is the shadow map for the levels. Shadow maps take for ever to bake and then compress for the GC and the Wii. All most no shaders are being used in that screen but surprisingly the polygon count is spot on WOW! Seriously if you do graphics thats one hell of an port for the Wii. Even some of you guys say the secret of the rings looks better well guess what this IS a beta and not a finished game. After sonic and mario sold pretty well on the Wii I doubt that they would just let mario games out since it so much.
Nobody is pushing the envelope on wii graphics is what im kinda po'ed about.There are some games where im like"wow thats nice" but thats maybe 4 games Metroid Prime 3 being one of them. btw dredawgg who is winning the console war and isnt microsoft looking to copy with those "wireless motion controls"? and to bootsielon isnt ps3 in the hole by like 3.3billion because there are selling the ps3 at lower cost then what it takes to make it? yea but you guys are right ....... you xbox ps3 fanboys are always right.
Who is winning? Oh yeah, that would be Sony. Yeah thats right. Sony is winning. PS2 is still selling pretty well across the world. If you wanna throw sales numbers in our face, then why not count PS2/PS3/PSP vs Wii/DS? When you take just Wii vs PS3, yeah Wii is winning. Please don't try and say "Oh yeah, well we have more sales!" Thats not the whole story. When the PS2 retires, which it won't for another year or two, then Nintendo would technically be winning. I don't know why you guys are so happy to have them win, they haven't given you anything to be happy about except proven franchises like Mario and Smash. But whatever floats your boat, you can blindly follow them as they bring down gaming. But Product, I hope you really enjoy casual games, because thats what you are gonna get for the rest of the Wii's lifespan. Hardcore games just don't sell.
this game is not going for graphics although the PS3/360 versions are giving this to us as an added bonus, but its for gameplay, gameplay in the last 3 or 4 sonic games were disastrous since Sega dropped the Dreamcast. Gameplay is a priority. i dont know if wii owners will buy the this game (not talking about you hardcore wii owners you guys will but this game) but they should if its done right. the graphics on this game is similar to PS2/xbox versions of sonic, so its not bad.
I agree that the this game needs to do good in the gameplay aspect. But, it just angers me that any time there is a Wii version, there is a PS2 version. And even though everyone knows how much stronger the Wii is compared to the PS2, no one takes advantage of it.
true about the ps2 ports im getting sick of them if people really want to sell a wii game put the effort into it. and something everyone can agree on effort sells games.
As much as I wish I could agree, it seems I can't. The reason why Wii doesn't have hardcore titles is because they don't sell. Effortless casual titles like Carnival Games sell very well (carnival games sold over a million copies.)
They dont sell because " core " gamers dont support them and when they don sell " core " gamers complain Wii sucks because " core" games dont sell. .....Well who is the blame!
see thats what people think but what sells the most on wii ......you dont see carnival games selling millions ..you see them selling but not what a good mario or resident evil will sell but you get enough crap games that sell ok together and you have a console those beating every other console by a landslide
The thing is, casual games sell well, and Nintendo games sell well. RE4 sold pretty well, but other hardcore third party Nintendo titles didn't sell so well, like No More Heroes, and Medal of Honor: Heroes 2. Even Metroid Prime 3 sold about a million and a half copies, and that was a great game!
ill agree with you there but there has only been 3 games hit one million or over that werent nintendo or harcore games those being carnival games(1.5 mil) rayman raging rabbids(1.2 mil) and redsteel(if you actually count this its at 1 mill)Guitar hero 3 is at 12th place in best sold,Metroid at 17th and Res Evil UC at 21st place in overall best selling(all selling over 1 million). Thats pretty good if you ask me being in the top 25 best sold so far seeing as how there is only around 10-15 games that sold over 1 million on the ps3.No more heroes have sold around 200,000 which doesnt sound like much but in comparison its around the same sales as turok,liar,and fear on the ps3. You see that ps3 stat and things start looking differently imo.
That's your system. That is what the wii can do. Don't ask if they are trying. Ask if Nintendo was "EVEN" trying. The wii isn't Ps3 or xbox 360 even. It's a gamecube with a bit better processor and that's that. It's established and that is what you get, guys.
Your biased opinion is based on the CRAPPY games developers have been sh/tting out. Why not be more open and understand that little thing is capable of doing decent(or even more than decent) stuff? the specs of the Wii's hardware might be simular to "last gen"(number wise), but since tech also advances, he Wii's hardware works faster and better then last gen. If you read the interview with High Voltage, you can read that the engine they are using for the conduit is making different use of the system to process its visuals. Games can be programmed in different ways, one just does it better than the other.
Conduit is all hype. The latest screens show horrible jaggies with decent looking gun/hand models. Please don't use High Voltage as an example. Their game does look better than most Wii games, but still not the quality that the Wii should be able to produce. Developers are trying, its just that there isn't really anything under the hood.
silogon i haven't ever replied to any of your comments despite how annoying they are and how uneducated and biased they are as well. The wii isn't a gamecube with a slightly faster processor. Let me put the wii specs in very simple terms (you can ask me how i got these values if u want , i have done similar posts many times but people still choose to ignore the facts) ~1.3-1.4 ghz cpus in pentium terms has 88mb of RAM, the ps2 did god of war 2 with 4 mb and final fantasy 12 with 4 mb and black with 4 mb. Just putting that into perspective. The Gpus is fater and more effecient. It can do more "things" than the xbox can.(that is a very weird sentence) nintemdo's systems are always far more effecient than their competitors in terms of processing effeciency. ALSO THEY ARE HARDER AND TRICKIER TO PROGRAM FOR.You can't port games well cos the architecture is very different. Few publishers or games this gen or last have been able to exploit the architecture to do the job well. \ It doesn't have problems with pixel shading, it can do it just fine except you actually have to do the wokr to pull it off. Also why do you guys get ripped off on the controls, you are playing with the same controls for the last ten years shouldn't it be dirt cheap to manufacture them now? I am no fanboy to make it clear, i am quite open to buying a competing system and ignore nintendo as they fail. But ignoring the facts is just dumb. Also the wii has a better line up of games that actually hold variety and some appealto me more than the lineup of wither of the other two systems. It my opinion of course.
Xiru you missed the point, i used HV as an example because they used a different way to make use of the GPU. MY point is that developers can find their way to make impressive games by programming their games different.
It looks fine enough to me. Whats more important is the gameplay, I bought SOnic 2006 and it looked alright but it was a mess.
Its not about the bragging rights of having a waggle type controller. Its creating new ways for people to interface with games. The more accessible it is the more mainstream it will be. The Wii is fine in this regard but to me seems more like a cool concept, dumbed down to the general public(mostly the easy influenced Americans) and sold at a huge mark up. The Wii fit is the same way. Seems fishy that 65% of Americans are overweight and instead of doing a skateboard game or snowboarding type device they choose a scale lol. Just sayin :)
It's obvious it'll be a ps2 port.......The sonic looks really bad...the backgrounds look OK if a bit murky and dull. I don't expect much in terms of graphics from the Wii but I expect more than this.
I laugh at this posts... The theme of this story is not how the Wii is less powerful, but how the Wii can do @ 480p almost the same graphics as the hi-def ps3/x360's versions of Sonic. and yes is the developer's fault that the Wii isn't pushing better graphics... just look @ Ubisoft's games..."crap". and look @ Capcom/High Voltage's... "beauty" and for those that doubt The Conduit, look at Gyrostarr which uses the Quantum engine running on a 38Mb wad... same size as a Nintendo64 rom so imagine the posibilities.
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