The 10-Cent Tour: Sony's so-called "Halo-killer" didn't exactly kill, or even maim, any Halos. Maybe the second one will. A boy can dream, no?
Or..maybe we can stop calling it a Halo Killer. Halo was good, Halo 2 was slightly better. Halo 3....i won't go there. People labeling anything as a killer of something are retarded. I personally think I might enjoy KZ2 more than I did Halo 3. Does that make it a killer in my eyes? No. Would it be a better game if my predictions about it come true? Yes. Will it be AS hyped and AS marketed as Halo 3? Nope, so it won't be a halo killer in any of those regards. Next thing you know, we'll be having Banjo Kazooie as the Mario Killer. Just. Stop.
besides Halo3 already proved to be a huge success, it broke records and made history, nothing short of a time machine to go back a blow up Bungies studio will change that...if everything goes well all KZ2 can do from this point on is turn out to be a great game and establish its own name as a success. JOY
Didnt the developer of K2 said himself that Killzone is not like Halo so it cant be a killer ? Halo and K2 have different styles
Actually the "Halo Killer" comment came from the press when they (developers) said it would be one of the best first person shooters on the market. At the time Halo 2 was going to come out so in other words they (the press / journalist) put two and two together. It's like me saying I'll make the best persistant online game then all of a suddent my game is labeled as the "World of Warcraft Killer." I've never heard them (developers) actually say they wanted to be a "Halo Killer." So this is just my assumption, if you think about it journalist need a catchy title for articles.
One magazine says its the Halo-killer 5 years ago and they are still stuck with that burden just because 1 idiot said it. Thats ridiculous, so for the last time, its not a killer of anything... except the Helghast. ;) And what is this? I mean, common, it looks like the negative media are pulling out all the stops now. I'm not one for most of these game conspiracies either, but something weird is up here. We haven't seen everything about the game yet so these guys... please shut up. We know that their are weather based weapons we have yet to see so that there is innovative... a 1st person cover system on the scale and depth that Killzone 2 has is innovative. Taking all the greatest advancements in the genre and stitching them all together into one fluid experience is innovative. But whats with this new gamer vocabulary now where innovative needs to be everywhere? There are lots and lots of great games that aren't innovative and simply well presented. What other innovations do you want anyway, and better yet, why do you need them? The game plays differently than others. People say its too much like COD4 for example but COD4 plays completely different. The cover system makes it different... it lets you be a bit slower and more methodical in your approach to a situation. Mean while, even more different, the lack of any type of aim assist makes the player make more precisely placed shots and increases the overall skill required to do exactly what you want. Does this make COD4 a bad game or a game for "noobs"? No, but it does make a DIFFERENT game.
I had high hopes for Killzone 2. Unfortunately it seems almost every hands-on preview has left people unimpressed (except for graphics of course). I think Resistance 2 is going to be a huge critical and commercial success. Killzone 2 will still be enjoyed by many PS3 owners but won't have the impact of MGS4, LBP, or Resistance 2.
I have to somewhat agree. At this point I haven't seen much of the game, let alone played it so I could be completely wrong. But it seems like a bit of a generic shooter. Very nice graphics, but of the gameplay I haven't seen much to 'wow' me. I really want this to be an awesome game since I own a ps3 now, but the gameplay just didn't look fun. I didn't really see anything to make it stand out from other FPSs. Mainly I want to see really really smart A.I. We have much better technology now, so there shouldn't be much excuse to not develope a solid A.I. In any case, here's to wishing KZ2 will be a great game :)
this game is going to get nitpicked far more than any game in existence.
I can see it now. "The grass doesn't have an actual smell to it like real grass does. Killzone II looks "OK" for the most part but certain graphical miss steps hamper it a lot. Like how the refraction & reflection of light on dust particles from explosions don't seem to be rendered quite right and this really spoils the overall presentation. Make no mistake about it, Killzone II tried some things but when you don't have lavender, Purple and gold coloured weaponary it really drags the gameplay alot - 7/10" Want a bet some website like 1up, gamestrailers or gamespot will have a similar layout? @[email protected]
yeah, didn't you know that reviewers have this cool Nitpick Toolset for PS3 exclusives? it comes with all types of cool gadgets from magnifying glasses, to color pallet detectors, to infrared goggles and the godsend of them all the "Too Much Variety analyzer thing-a-ma-bob thingy, etc. it's an official kit exclusively for the PS3 :D
There is no anti-PS3 conspiracy fanboys. The review scores for MGS4 prove it. If killzone receives negative reviews its not "nit-picking" it's because it's sub-par, like the first one. There are plenty of great games coming to PS3 like LBP, FFXIII, and Resistance 2. Killzone 2 may end up being average. Deal with it.
killzone 1 got 7s and 8s.....and that is sub-par? NG2 has gotton 7s and 8s.....that's sub-par too, right? by the way. i liked killzone 1; and that's all that matters to me. NG2 is fun too. people need to give the emphasis on these scores a rest.
wow, like how that one newspaper give mgs4 a 6/10 or the eurogamer dude who's negative reasons for it was because a bottle didn't look realistic enough and the glass didn't shatter realistically right? that's not nitpicking? there's no conspiracy theory that the media and industry has hated on the playstation brand for 3 generations now. it's apparent. i'm not saying all reviewers are non-professionals but there are some in-closet fanboy reviewers out there. saying they don't exist is just as absurd as the conspiracy theorists. this game has been overblown with hype since the first trailer shown and a lot of people are expecting too much from it. it's sony's fault for this predicament they've placed themselves in and KZ2 is going to go through the ringer for this.
I don't think Killzone 1 was a bad game. It just didn't live up to all the hype. All I'm sayin is here we all are again doing the same thing with Killzone 2, which probably won't live up to expectations. Don't disagree with me people I might get mad and get my Chainsaw! P.S. beavis4play: I agree NG2 is sub-par when compared to the original.
i agree with you Tommy i don't think it will live up to what everyone is expecting from it. it's way overhyped and sony is to blame for it. but i don't think it will be a horrible game either. Guerrilla has Sony's support now and finance and a bigger dev team so they can really make it better than KZ1. i'll remain optimistic, but hearing game sites saying it doesn't do anything innovative is just wrong when no other FPS game gets screened like this. almost all FPS games are generic and are all the same.
Apparently someone hasn't been paying attention. The PS3 has been the most criticized console I can remember. By the way several sites ripped MGS4 hard 7/10 and even 6/10 from one. But yes for the most part it was rated highly. But I think KZ2 will be picked apart for every little thing and all the 360 fans will rag on it till the end. I expect the game to be great but the opinions to be highly varied.
I have been paying attention. The PS3 was received very negatively in the beginning because of lack of quality software. Thankfully that has changed and so has most of the criticism. You can't hold up a couple negative scores for MGS4 as proof of any bias. A few idiots so what!? It's too bad your brain isn't as big as the [email protected]@ of the girl in your pic.
the media couldn't hate on MGS4 because they will look stupid if they do. HS, Uncharted and RC TOD are classic examples of reviewers nipticking on PS exclusives.
Killzone has a metacritic of 70 and was released back in 2004, Ninja Gaidem was released in 2008 and has a Metacritic of 82 and is in a completely different genre and a different generation! A 70 Metacritic in 2004 may not seem bad, but to put it into perspective look at it compared to games of the same genre in it's time. The following is a list of AAA FPSs (Metacritic 85+) on both platforms: Halo - 97 (2001) Halo 2 - 95 (2004) Half Life 2 - 90 (2005 Xbox) Timeplitters 2 - 90 (2002 PS2) Brothers in Arms: RtH30 - 88 (2005) Doom 3 - 88 (2005) Timesplitters 2 -88 (2002 Xbox) Red Faction - 88 (2001 PS2) MoH: Frontline - 88 (2002 PS2) Half Life - 87 (2001) SOCOM 2 - 87 (2003) Rainbow Six 3 - 86 (2003) Unreal Championship 2 - 85 (2005) Far Cry Instincts - 85 (2005) Brothers in Arms: EiB - 85 (2005) In total there are almost 50 FPS titles that were released on the Xbox and PS2 that were more highly regard than the decidedly average Killzone with a metacritic of 70. This is why I'll be watching Resistance 2 instead, as it's prequel is not only the finest FPS on the PS3 outside of COD4, but it is a AAA title (Metacritic 86) and is in the top ten shooters of this generation.
The fact that a few reviewers still gave MGS4 a bad score considering it was so highly rated by most others shows that those reviewers (who typically always hate on the PS3) are biased because they can't even give a truly great game a decent score. Secondly pretty much all multi-plats are rated better on 360 despite being the same on both at this point (at least for most multi's). The conspiracy and MS money are both very much alive.
Don't need to read this article, or visit this site.
If it plays like COD4? Then yes, its Halo "humiliater and destroyer" in one. Terribly linear? Wasnt Halo single player linear? Wasnt COD4 single player linear? Funny, I never heard any reviewer say that. Its a single player campaign. Of course its going to have scripted events. Dont be having no double standards now, stinkin bots. If you rated Halo with a 10 and not once mentioned any linearity, then KZ2 should be judged by the same standards. Retarded bots.
I just love the Killzone universe. You can say Killzone floped all you want - and that maybe so with it's reviews - but regardless it sold more copies than every Xbox exclusive title save for the Halos. So if selling over 2 million copies last gen with the lynching it got from NA reviewers is bad then that would mean over 95% of the Xbox exclusives were bad sales too and I'm sure no moron would ever think like that... would they? :/
i also really enjoyed the multiplayer part of the game, while it sucked that only two players (for me) could play along with 6 other bots, i still enjoyed it immensely. Hopefully now with online multiplayer very strong, i will get to enjoy it with real people.
great story; can't wait for the next to continue it. same with resistance, ratchet,uncharted, jak, MGS4 FF13,GOW.....great stories is the hook for me.
Cool.. but you do know you can also play MP online with other gamers with 8v8 matches right?
I thought the game was great fun. It had some glitches but they didn't at all mess up the gameplay for me. Killzone 2 just looks too good to pass up. They have everything going to make a great game from the looks of it. Can't wait to see more of helghan.
Take it from "crispy gamer"...
1.ONLY on PS3 2.Can't be made on the xBox 360 3.Looks 1 Million times better than 'Blurs/Cartoons of War 2' 4.Edge(+most internet sites)will give it 1/10(because it's not on the xBox 360) 5.Pp_p will sell his PS3(again!)because he don't like it(Not Pink enough!!!) ;-D Er... 6.The FIRE effects in 'Killzone 2' will be as realistic as a House Fire in the real world that was caused by a xBox 360!!! ;-D
I've played both, they aren't nearly the same game. No reason to even compare them. Halo's numbers are gonna be superior, but who cares. It's a fun game, and it's not Halo (which is actually a great thing)
e3 will answer alot of questions
Lets hope so because I want to hear more about the multiplayer.
When I walked through the grass its didnt move realistically...when I blow up that tower the rubble didnt land quite right. When I was running and came to a stop behind cover I couldn't hear him breathing faster. C+/A /sarcasm off
All I'm worried about is that it may turn into a linear, infinite-enemy-respawning, run through the game and shoot people-type affair. And I know, it's an FPS, you're going to shoot people the whole way through, but I want something more from an FPS nowadays. And no I don't just mean a vehicle section. Or turning a wheel to open a gate. Saying that, there are destructible environments and a neat cover system that make this game stand out. Hopefully with the delay to next year they can add something really special to this game (besides the graphics).
good point almost all of shooter campaigns are linear cod4 halo Resistance(loved that game) GeOW uncharted and those are all great games (i didnt like COD4) the only one that i can think of that isnt very linear is MGS4
Yes and even MGS4, which is very open-ended as in how you play, which routes you take, is still linear in terms of plot progression and 1/2 the areas in the game. Heck, it still has infinite enemy respawn points which I thought we could have left behind us by now. Just face it, a truly non-linear game would take 5 times the resources to create a game of the same length and quality, not to mention that it would be very difficult to create a plot for such a game. I remember reading in a preview that this game has infinite enemy respawn points too - despite the fact that you're able to kill off hundreds of the Helghast it will only have an impact on the battle in the way the scriptwriters want (MGS4 was different in this respect, when the Militia shout "we won!" occasionally when you help them; one of the best examples I've seen of this in a game). But it's not like they can change the game's design overnight to accomodate this. It will be linear, and critics will unfairly take this as a bad point. It'd be amazing if it wasn't, but I doubt that's going to happen.
but.. MGS4 isn't a shooter :(
umm sir ken if u think graphics make a game great then ur retarded...besides graphics what else is ground breaking about killzone 2 if the first one wasn't a killer app. there is a such thing as gameplay..wha new gameplay features are in this game that we havent seen before...mgs4 will be better then this game
The same total package that shocked journalists and gamers on E3 2007 when they revealed KZ2 trailer. The total package: Extreme sharp graphics, best lighting, extreme amounts of details, superb animation and ragdoll effects, destructible environments, superb physics, great textures, just the whole package. They are borrowing lots of aspects from COD4, meaning this game will rock gameplay wise. Youre just in denial, thats all. KZ2 rivals even CGI level and its a game that shows off the PS3 superior technological power like all its triple A games.
you only need to know that: 1. It will be Haze 2 2. It will suck 3. It will be generic 4. It will get panned by the critics 5. It will bomb Yeah, that's it.
Is this title NG2? Edit- Meh...I don't like that. Unnecessary just like your comment.
I don't understand the logic though. Killzone 1 - didn't bomb Killzone Liberation - didn't bomb So Killznoe II (the best itteration of the franchise) will bomb? I'm confused, please explain.
1 Your a smuk!!!!!! I think everybody would agree.......
apparently big con has discovered how to travel into the future :P
Out of Killzone is good online support. If they have as good or better online support than resistance then Killzone will be xtremely good. I hope they dont do what cod4 did and just make a match making system and call it a day. Edit: BTW the game looks even crazier than I thought looking at those screenshots on that page look at the helghast up close and how detailed everything looks it made me cry.
They must be taking plenty of Tylenol and Bengay rubs.. They showed that the game can come close to that Amazing trailer.. Now they need to show why it's not just another FPS, well that's the hard part. Still too early..
Personally I have no interest in Killzone 2 at all. The first one was s sub standard, generic FPS at best and the gameplay of K2 looks to have the same theme but it's now imitating more recent releases, most prominently COD4. Add Sony's misleading CG behaviour back in 05 which has tainted the game in journalists eyes, the unnecessary hype and fanboys clamouring over it like the a messianic figure and in my opinion the title is being asked a hell of a lot more than it ever could deliver. And now we have silly articles calling it a "Halo-killer" and despite my often "Hazey" memory, we all know how that ends... ;) At the moment I have all my FPS needs covered with COD4, Halo 3, TF2 and Bad Company. The only one I'll be adding to my "essentials" collection is the only FPS to seriously consider this year or early next. Resistance 2 has a proven developer, the highest selling PS3 title to date and is pushing online features on the PS3 to an extent never before seen. I can't wait. :)
What does it mean by Halo killer anyway, Halo is generic as hell, all halo is is just a very nicely tweaked and almost perfect shooter, it doesn't innovate, the singleplayers quite lame, but the control and weapons all have a very good balance to them, so do they mean kill the popularity of halo (which will never happen because the morons have taken the series over) or kill the gameplay (which won't really be that hard) the first killzone was average, so unless these guys somehow give me something original and non gimmicky (like nectar in Haze) then I don't care. And to superfrag, if you like TF2 and Bad Company then I take it you've heard of Battlefield: Heroes? i think, it's a free WWII battlefield game being developed by DICE that has same awesome look of TF2 with the awesome gameplay of BF.
you started by saying "personally, i have no interest in KZ at all". ???????? then why did you come into the thread? i guess the title: "five things you need to know about KZ2" must have made you think this was about COD5? yea, i can see where the title is misleading (end sarcasm) come on, i've seen you try the "intelligent and unbiased arguement" before. it's getting old. and you like bad company? i find it extremely generic. halo 3? cheesy. COD4? if it wasn't so short and extremely linear....and maybe a better story.(like we haven't fought terrorists since the sega genesis) you don't like KZ particular and sony in general. nothing wrong with that.(we all have preferances) but don't try to craft some pseudo-intellectual arguement. it doesn't sound that convincing. and really, if you don't have any interest in a game, maybe you should look for threads on games you like?
som ppl are just ignorant.
Sounds like he's just hating.
@beavis I came in because commenting does not require interest or favoritism of a topic/product but merely an opinion, in this case mine happens to be different to yours. As for the following statement you made: "you don't like KZ particular and sony in general. nothing wrong with that." Well there is something "wrong with that", I have a PS3 and enjoy it very much thanks! But as I've explained, now in further detail above, I don't regard the original Killzone as a triple AAA release and think that Resistance was a far better shooter, and the concensous view of critics agree (Metacritic 70 vs 86). Just like I agreed with their concensus views of Uncharted (88) and MGS4 (95). I'd also add that unlike Guerilla, Insomniac has not only proven itself to be a AAA developer but it's already released two AAA titles on the PS3 with Ratchet & Clank (89) and Resistance (86); the second and fourth highest rated exclusives on the PS3! I just feel that KZ2 has expectations that far exceed even that of Halo 3, COD 4 and Bioshock, and placing such will burden it with potentially insurmountable odds, given its pedigree. And we all know how critics react when a game doesn't meet the hype! ;) In Contrast, Resistance 2 deserves all the hype it gets. And every indication is it will be f*%#ing brilliant! :) PS: @thehitman who said "som ppl are just ignorant." No Kidding! :p
Bots will always find something to b!tch about, it's their nature. They get jealous and complain and start to nit pick. They put the P U in PUTO Bots. Killzone 2 will be no different, looks great, the story is improved from the first game and the single player game play is greatly improved from the first. Guerilla learned from the first game and implemented those changes into this game. I think it's going to rock. But atleast the PUTO Bots have that N64 game to mess with. LOL!!!
I hate the lack of objectivity in game reviews. If someone complains a game is linear then I think thats evidence that they have already decided they don't like the game before playing it and are desperately looking for a poor reason to write negatively about it. And if thats the best complaint anyone can come up with about killzone 2 then I think its safe to assume that its actually really good. F*ckin xbuts wake up! 99% of games are freakin linear!
WHAT?! Where do they find 6-packs of Boone's Farm?!
well, i believe Guerilla games and Sony will be thankful for u saying that, since your're very delusional.
Considering the game looks just as good if not better than the CGI trailer (especially the character models). Even if you didn't think so it's not like any other console has a game that looks that good. Don't even try to throw geow2 out there because while it does look better than the first it does not compare to KZ2 on lighting, character models, explosions/particle effects and so many other factors.
HAHAhahAHAHAHhahaHAHAHAAhA HALO KILLER? THAT FLOP!!??? LOL TURDZONE?
Sold 7 million you know what really broke a record is that Grand Turismo series sold 25 million and MGS series now those are record breakers Microsoft is just exaggerating there crap like there proud of something that never broke a record on there system before oh wait there aren't any besides Halo 3, while the PlayStation brand has been breaking records way before there console like wow I bet Final Fantasy VII broke a record faster then Halo series combined! and oh this article is crap doesn't even know what its talking about you know whats really linear Gears of war with its narrow levels and they make it sound like out of the two series only the 3rd installment of Halo 3 is the only one that broke a record for XBox 360 and its brand and non of the other games for the system broke a record except that game its like the first XBox it never had a game that broke a record
"Professionals" can say it brings no innovation all they want, From the 10 or so minutes of actual gameplay we have seen we all know thats a load of crap. I want a few things from KZ2. 1) Pretty graphics 2) Good level design 3) Lots/good variety of people to kill 4) chunky guns that when you point and shoot, people die in a spasmodic orgy of death 5) Immersion that makes me feel like its a war zone. Of all the fps's available atm, Cod4 is the only one that really offers all these. Just a little memo for the haters, ALL fps' are linear, they ALL have artistic directions to give them moods (bright green for a space marine? wtf?), and NONE actually INNOVATE as much as ive seen KZ2 do, from using the 6 axis to control in game props, to The cover system, to the totally unreal (and by this i mean real) way bodies jerk around as they are hit by bullets. You want to shoot b****es painted in pink, purple and green, go buy a wii/360, you want to shoot helghan infantry in the face and watch their heads snap back like they have actually been shot in the face, buy a ps3. Bring on Feb 09 :D
The fact that it's an FPS that utilizes sixaxis in a remotely meaningful way is new enough for me. I hope it's part of the cover system, instead of some obnoxious button-press snap mechanic. The way they're implementing cover in SOCOM is so awesome...
Things I totally want to see. 1.) Show me some of that intense multiplayer action. 2.) Let's see some more Helghast Baddies. (aka Helghast Hounds) 3.) I want to see another level maybe w/ some secret weapons. 4.) Confirmed release date. 5.) A few more appetizers of the story. I love it. I just want to know more cuz I'm so excited. Killzone 2 is the best next gen game available at this point. It was smart to keep Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 apart. Too amazing games coming out around the same time would make things too competitive against Sony only titles. Can't wait to play Resistance 2 this November and Killzone 2 next February.
"The beachfront/warehouse level, despite its scope, still felt terribly linear to us." - Scott Jones The only games that I can think of on a TV console that isn't linear (one set path) is Far Cry 2. Besides that every first person shooter I've ever played was linear. What's really interesting authors point out such weak points when it comes to PlayStation 3 games in a negative cognition. Can anyone tell me how Gears of War, Halo 3, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, The Darkness, Perfect Dark Zero, Resistance: Fall of Man, Turok, Doom...not linear? The only ones I can think of right now it Far Cry 2 being made for the PC (Personal Computer), XBOX 360, and PlayStation 3. You can go where you want to go anytime you want. This is an non-linear first person shooter and there aren't very many of them on the market.
First of all the target trailer was E305 Second no-one needs to "know" anything about some ill informed fake, "we played it" write up.