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Edge - Ninja Gaiden II Wastes Both DMC4 And God Of War

XBK writes: Yesterday, we reported that Ninja Gaiden II scored the highest review score in this months Edge magazine. Now that we've got our hands on the highly respected publication, the review not only claims that the fighting engine in Itagaki-san's game is without equal in the genre, but Edge states that basically, Ninja Gaiden II's gameplay mechanics, completely obliterates both DMC4 and the God Of War series. (PS3, Xbox 360)

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Bad_Karma  +   2706d ago
Such crap
green  +   2706d ago
Such truth.Ninja Gaiden 2 passes every game by a mile in the combat mechanics.God of War has better story, presentation and good combat mechanics which makes it a better game overall but in combat NG2 is king.
Glad to be a gamer  +   2706d ago
completely agree green.
Nothing to add except i love both games for their strong points.

Im hoping that if itagaki does get his own studio we may get to see a game with the fighting mechanics of ng and a great story like GOW.

I can only wish/hope/pray.......
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pharmd  +   2706d ago
i love the whole NG series, but to complete its mechanics to GOW, a last gen title? cmon... DMC? Sure, but leave it at that
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titntin  +   2706d ago
For once I have to agree with Green.

Anyone who's played all these games would agree that the fighting combat mechanics in NG2 are absolutely the best of breed, its difficult to see how anyone could dispute that claim if they had played the game.

This is one of the things that makes it so annoying that they didn't try so hard in other areas - as this could have been a 'definitive game', instead of a 'definitive mechanic'. Better graphics, a proper story, less pointless puzzles and a sorted camera, would have seen this become another nearly perfect title, instead of a flawed gem.

This actual article is weak, as I expected, but if you read the scans of the review, you'll see the usual great Edge analysis, and its not blind to the glaring issues with the game as a whole.
I might not always agree with their evaluations, but they are always well reasoned and written, and they are not swayed by the currents of fashion..
green  +   2706d ago
GOW is simply amazing and my number one pick if Hollywood wanted to make a game into a movie but the truth is that while it passes NG2 in every single aspect (i am sure 3 will eclipse NG2 graphically), but the combat in NG2 is still king.

My problem with NG2 is the production value and the lame story, which is shockingly bad for a 1st party game.It's metacritic score for me is right on the money between an 8.0 and 8.5.

it seems that Itagaki just wanted to rush the game out of the door as quickly as possible in order to rid himself from Tecmo.
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ChampIDC  +   2706d ago
Well, NG for the Xbox was the same way in story. It seems the game is made for the people that just want to kill stuff in beautifully smooth combat. Heck, that alone keeps me coming back. I can live without a good story in NG's case. I would have liked to see a compelling story, though. There's a lot of room for it in both games. With such a vast, relatively unknown world, all kinds of things could unravel.
mistertwoturbo  +   2706d ago
Makes you wonder, they gave MGS4 an 8/10. Edge = Crap
ZeroBlitz  +   2706d ago
They're comparing it to a PS2 game that gets better with every game - with a PS3 version in the making - and DMC4, which most people agree isn't as good as it predecessor.

I'm going to get NG2 eventually and I'm sure I'll enjoy it. It's simply annoying that EDGE, who often downgrade games over the pickiest details, seem to have given it an 8/10 while stating that it's bad aspects shouldn't be paid much attention.
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shotputking  +   2706d ago
yeah, ninja gaiden for regular xbox completely crushed both god of war and dmc in the fighting mechanics area, ng just can't be touched there.

and to those saying, "comparing it to a last gen game"... how much do you think the core fighting mechanics will change for god of war 3? not much, or the fans would be in an uproar.
mistertwoturbo  +   2706d ago
I did enjoy NG2's fighting mechanics though. It was pretty satisfying chopping off limb by limb with the Scythe.

However, they really need to just make the story have more substance.
TresTrendu  +   2706d ago
Dang, Edge gave MGS4 a 8!!! Seem's a little high doesn't it? Well the problem is that NG2 is for hardcore gamer's, it revolve's back in the old day's when it was gameplay not story and i prefer that a little more than story. NG2 is for people that like to play game's not watch them, so ya if you have no skill's you would want to watch most of the game. But if you have some gaming skill's and feel l33t then NG2 is for you.
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RecSpec  +   2706d ago
Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of the NG series, but it definitely does have the best combat out there.
zypher  +   2706d ago
while i agree that Ninja Gaiden's fighting system is the best in 3d action, in my opinion the game offers nothing else to compete with either DMC or God of War. in essence NG feels like a free-roaming fighter. the story in NG is so uninteresting that it may as well be non-existant, and the characterization is abysmal. given all this, why not just play a true fighter which obviously offers a much better fighting system?
Bubble Buddy  +   2706d ago
Funny. MGS4 = 8/10. They praise Ninja Gaiden. Don't piss of Kratos, he'll put two of his blades up your a**.
CrazzyMan  +   2706d ago
EDGE bought by M$ - CONFIRMED
lets analyze that for a sec.

1. PS exclusive

2. Multiplatform

3. 360 exclusive...

hmm, bias?

Now it`s clear, why MGS4 got 8 from them, lol. =)

Yeah, NG2 is masterpiece in terms of fighting mechanics, BUT:
weak graphics
frame rate problems
weak story

these cons overall make NG2 to be just a good game, nothing more.
Time_Is_On_My_Side  +   2706d ago
I know what you mean what's really strange they're bashing a PlayStation 2 game. To me the logic of the decision doesn't make any sense. I can easily say Forza Motor Sport 2 surpasses Gran Turismo 4 (before five) or say Fear Effect series (PlayStation 1) is nothing compared to Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (PlayStation 2). It's easier to bash a last generation game with a current generation game. Their comment doesn't hold because we all know God of War III is being made for the PlayStation 3.
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gaffyh  +   2706d ago
I have played Ninja Gaiden 2 and all the games in the DMC series and all the games in the GOW series and can safely say that ANY DMC/GOW game is better than a Ninja Gaiden game. Not to say that NG is bad, but it's just not as good.

I can't believe how biased Edge is to actually write this. Ninja Gaiden basically copied concepts from DMC and Onimusha, and then adds a very very bad story to the mix.

Oh yeah, and NO way is NG's gameplay mechanics better than God of War.
scoobysnacks  +   2706d ago
Not to take anything away from this game.....
in respect to its fine balance of game play mechanics, and split second timing that’s required to unlock the best this series has always had to offer, but lets remember the website that this has come from, and its crystal clear its a title used to generate website hits.

It could of just been called

“Edge gives NG2 an 8/10”

or if it was to quote a line from the review, for positive effect,

“It is fast, it is vicious, it looks fantastic, and its very rewarding to master”.

But NO, the quote they have to use at “Xbox Kings”, a comment that is three paragraphs into the article, that compares a critically acclaimed Playstation exclusive of the last generation, as “an over bloated spectacle”. Why did they pick that comment out of numerous comments within the article, because they new it would generate website hits, and get all the fanboys fired up. They hit upon this line like a fox picking up the scent within the chicken pen.

If it was a Playstation biased site wanting to generate hits, they would’ve chosen the comment halfway into the review of “a lack of imagination - and an abundance of PS2 style textures”, but that was just describing one level.

For those fanboys on both sides, perhaps this paragraph from the Edge review should also be taken into consideration.

“The best fighting game ever, then? No, because the brilliantly realised combat is let down by poor implementation of basic features. The camera lamented in our last look at the game isn’t improved: it often loses sight of Ryu, gets stuck behind walls, obscures enemies and very occasionally goes into a frenzy of flicking back and forth. There are blind spots in the game, particularly on slopes and around poles, where the combat system seems to be unable to function tightly. There are pointless ‘puzzles’ involving door cards and stone tablets. There’s one boss moment involving an explosion that is unfathomable bad design. And, really, lets not get started on the narrative.”

But then that would sound negative, which would be the last thing Xbox Kings would want. So its a game that is flawed, and hence why Edge gave it an eight. In comparison to last months issue where MGS4 also gets an 8/10, well perhaps it should of got a 9, or this game, NG2, should of received a 7/10, as these two games don’t compare quality wise, so how can they share the same score? Perhaps because their two very different games, and shouldn’t be compared.

At the end of the day, its just a score. The text in the review is just as important as the end score, pointing out the pros and cons of the game. If the score was the only important part, perhaps they shouldn’t write anything and just have a picture of the game, the game title and in big 200 point type a number. But then, if that was the case sites like “xbox kings” wouldn’t have anything sensationalist to use to help gain site hits.
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shine1396  +   2705d ago
@scoobysnacks: comment of the forever!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ri0tSquad  +   2706d ago
Sucks to see it go to waste
When it's obviously lacking in some areas that those two games beat it in and make it the better game overall. I still think it comes down to personal preference. All 3 of these games play very, very different. And all fanboyism aside but you guys know some people will choose NG2 over DMC4 and GoW or DMC4 over NG2 and GoW or GoW over DMC4 and NG2. I was really hoping Ninja Gaiden 2 would do to 360 what Ninja Gaiden 1 did for Xbox 1.
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scissor_runner  +   2706d ago
Wery true.
Very true people like different things. Reminds me how some people like either virtual fighter, tekken or street fighter and the list goes on. I hated the other NGs due to the camera. If I can't see it then it's based on luck. 3d broken this game a little but it's nothing that can't be fixed.
jkhan  +   2706d ago
Did they mention the cheap enemies, and the worst camera in the history of Action/Adventure/Hack-n-Slash Genre?, and forgettable story?

They say "NG2 makes God Of War an over-bloated spectacle". Well just to mention a few, it had the best graphics on the ps2, user friendly combat, that can be as deep as you want or as button masher as you want. One of the best soundtracks in gaming and an epic story. Yeap God of War is an over bloated spectacle.
tordavis  +   2706d ago
Heavenly Sword takes the title for best soundtrack.
Closing  +   2706d ago
Dude, DMC camera is wayyyy worse. At least you can control the NG camera, and after awhile not notice it.
ChampIDC  +   2706d ago
I can't say I agree with the whole article, but they're definitley right about the combat at least. The camera leaves much to be desired, and I think it would probably do wonders if it simply kept a more zoomed out, higher perspective view. The offscreen cheapshots are the only real issue with the camera, but man do they happen a lot. A wider view could easily fix that if you ask me.
Silogon  +   2706d ago
Man this couldn't be further from the truth. Wanna hear an unbiased opinion on 4 games that are very similar?

Ninja Gaiden 2 - A rehash, all though pretty good, of a 5 year old game. It does nothing new and offers up very little in graphic detail over the original. The gameplay isn't as accessible as others in the same genre.

Devil May cry 4 - The worst of the bunch I'm about to talk about. It is without a doubt the most shallow and also the least fun. It doesn't offer up nothing the previous ones couldn't do or haven't done.

God of War 2 - A challenging game with a lot of heart. It's the 2nd most accessible and easily the most fun to play thru. The story is killer here. The gameplay is 90% spot on 90% of the time and the amount of things at your disposal is very comparable to ninja Gaiden, only in a much easier package to wrap your head around.

Conan - Laugh all you want. Conan is easily the most accessible to get into. It's fun, it's easy to learn and it's a no B.S. game. You get it to beat it in one sitting and see what it has to offer. It's not going to satisfy you as much as those other 3 big budget games would but for what it is and what it does Conan is the best secondary game to have if you only were going to get 2 on this list. The moves are all very intuitive and the controls never fail you. You never see yourself saying that was B.S. when playing the game. The graphics are putrid and the animations, save the gore and killing sprees, are minimal but after besting one of the above, Conan is easily the next best choice.

Those are my honest takes on the series.
Scarfy  +   2706d ago
Ninja Gaiden 2 - Haven't played it, but have heard very mixed reports. Mostly that's a flawed masterpiece.

Devil May cry 4 - Agree. I thought after playing it that I had played the worst game I was going to this year. Then I played Half Life 2...

God of War 2 - Agree. It's just fine to play.

Conan - Haven't played it, but I wasn't impressed by the demo.
titntin  +   2706d ago
Welcome to a very small group! The Conan appreciaters group!

Its not utterly brilliant, or technically amazing, but its thouroughly enjoyable with a rewarding mechanic and its seriuosly fun!
Not at all fashionable to like that title though... :)
Bolts  +   2706d ago
Agreed. I actually enjoyed Conan. Yes the voice acting sucks and I can't even remenber what storyline was about but it's a game where you hack people to death. Nothing was great or awesome but overall the game was decent.
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thereapersson  +   2706d ago
That's a well-thought out and honest analysis, methinks...
dachiefsman  +   2706d ago
Nice comment Silogon!

Agree on all your comments especially on Conan. Although the game is a rent, it should be a must rent. Of the next gen games, I had a blast playing that game <probably cause the combat and gore was awesome>.

My list for combat:
2. God of War I/II
3. Conan
4. DMC1
clintos59  +   2706d ago
Yeah I agree that NG2 is still better then DMC4 in gameplay but thats about it,
As for god of war, that is kind of a crappy comparison since god of war 3 aint out yet. How bout wait until it comes out. :P

Besides that this is the same game site that gave MGS4 an 8. So much for there credability.
Lord Cheese  +   2706d ago
thats nonsense. Just because someone doesnt treat mgs4 as the pinnacle of gaming prowess does no harm to their credibility accept in the eyes of delierious fanboys.
tordavis  +   2706d ago
"Besides that this is the same game site that gave MGS4 an 8. So much for there credability. "

I don't like their score of MGS4 so they must lack credibility!!! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Testo  +   2706d ago
Hey Clintos
I agree, to me personally their score of MGS4 was low, IMO.

But I also think that their score of NG2 was high, again IMO.

But then I think what type of game I prefer, (Hack and slash or Stealth action)

I take from this, that from now on, if Edge gives any game I might like a 7 rating. That I will take their review with a douse of salt.

Same goes for a genre that I don't like.
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clintos59  +   2706d ago
Dude anyone with a half a brain would tell u that the review they gave for mgs4 was obviously some fanboy sh!t..
Wake up to reality man. Just because u guys dont enjoy a damn masterpiece isnt our problem u guys dont like great story telling games and rather play shoot em up games like halo and gears which are great games when it comes to gameplay but both lack in the story department. I mean why even have a single player in a game if it doesnt even make sense or has a mediocre story? U mightest well just forget the single player and stick to online.

Also I wanted to point out these reviewers who gave MGS4 a low score say the cut scenes are too long but fail to tell the consumers who listen to reviews that there is more the 15-20+ gameplay in the campaign alone. I bring this up because it didnt seem to bother any reviewers when gears of war came out and the campaign was only 5 to 6 hours long. WTF kind of crap is that but yet alot of these game sites looked passed it and didnt say anything about it being short. I am not looking down on these titles but im using them as examples of why I take the reviews from edge and eurogamer and a few others who gave it a low score and didnt have a strong enough arguement to prove why they did so. Remember the 90 minute cut scenes eurogamer and edge were saying were in MGS4? Well guess what they were full of it and made that up which gamepro debunked that story and shut edge and eurogamer up. All I am saying is atleast be fair when u review a game, dont be such a damn fanboy.

Eurogamer and Edge gave halo 3 a higher score then MGS4 and halo 3 was overrated and didnt even live up to its hype. MGS4 had just as much hype and not only lived up to its hype it smashed its hype. Nuff said.
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wolfehound22  +   2706d ago
Like the previous posters have stated its all personal preference. I prefer GOW over any hack in slash game out there, and it really isn't close IMO. Devil may Cry is fun also. I have not played the NG2 yet but NGSigma was also pretty fun besides the camera. All and all there all great games that have some faults but for the most part do a lot right.
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bootsielon  +   2706d ago
I'd give edge some credibility
If their scores weren't always different, and by different I don't mean lower, since Halo 3 got way above the curve, and same with Ninja Gaiden. How come both games published by Microsoft Studios are exempt of Edge's "Hammer"? Yeah, Edge is pretty much garbage. There is no way Ninja Gaiden and Metal Gear Solid should get the same score, that Halo gets a perfect score and yet resistance gets a 6; 4 points difference between two very similar FPS? 10 points to the most conventional FPS and 8 points to a game that is widely regarded in the top 5 best games ever? Even Bioshock and Mass Effect got an 8, worse than halo and on par with ninja gaiden, what a load of crock. Edge is not "tough" as everybody likes to think, edge is either wrong, stupid, ignorant, moneyhats or biased, take your pick. Just like Gamedaily, Eurogamer and GamesTM. Throw in there Gamespot too, but that one was obvious anyway.
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Bubble and Squeek  +   2706d ago
"and 8 points to a game that is widely regarded in the top 5 best games ever?"


You have to be kidding me. This isn't a quality issue. More of temporal one. It has hardly been out a month. I'm not convinced it can be widely considered one of the best games at this juncture.

Just wait a little while longer then we can see.


Do you have a source for the claim about those TVs?
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tordavis  +   2706d ago
Comparing scores of games of two completely different genres makes no sense. It's the reviewers preference and opinion. Why toil over the reasons they gave games such scores? The one with the higher score was liked better.
Says you  +   2706d ago
God of war owns Ninja Gaiden II
I mean Ninja Gaiden II failed with the reviews I mean I think Devil MayCry 4 got better scores not like I'm going with the scores but considering some people like to go with scores and to see if they should buy the game when it comes to scores.
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Veryangryxbot  +   2706d ago
Do not listen to Edge.
They are proven xbots and will say anything to boost 360s sales.

God of war totally OWNS NG franchise.

Even DMC pisses all over it.

Ninja Gaiden is an inferior hack and slash action game compared to these two.
PSMonster21  +   2706d ago
NG2 sucked... nuff said.
Wakka_  +   2706d ago
Edge are nothing but Al Bheds. There are more reviews that said God of War and DMC is better ya?
Mr Fancy Pants  +   2706d ago
if you think God of War owns NG games then you know sh1t about action games or you simply loves button mashing.

why people prefer DMC4 or GOD over NG? because they are easier, if you were a real gamer you would know that already, but fanboyims blinds you.
ape007  +   2706d ago
I've finished ng2

good fighting system and thats it

no story,no characters,crappy levels,houmor and simple 101 design

god of war(even the psp game)

kicks the HELL out of ng2

ng1 and sigma are much better than 2 BTW


Mike134nl  +   2706d ago
Played ninja gaiden sigma on ps 3 and ninja gaiden 2 and gow all great games.

I don't have a great imagination but blasting ninja gaiden 2, because it is comparable to ninja gaiden 1 (mentioned by several sites as best action game ever) is just lame.
from the beach  +   2706d ago
No humour? Some of the cut scenes in NG2 were downright hilarious! They're dead right about how the game makes you want to keep continuing - if that represents bad design then I dunno.
juuken  +   2706d ago
I've been watching some videos of NG2 and the combat is pretty top-notch. But most of the enemies love playing cheapshot, especially with the camera.

I'm getting NG2, but there is NO WAY in hell it beats Devil May Cry and God of War.


God of War has a kick ass storyline, and it's based on mythological settings.

They cannot be freakin' serious.

And Devil May Cry is awesome as well. I just wasn't too fond of 4 but I still like it.
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LaChance  +   2706d ago
Ninja gaiden
has the best fighting system.It relies heavily on the gameplay.

DMC 4 and GOW are more flashy and rely more on presentation , story etc.

At the end of the day I dont know which one's better.

But NG would really be CRAZY if the could get the story and overall presentation to DMC and GOW levels.

Really hope Itagaki gets his own studio and MSFT give him some heavy cash.

@juuken : btw NG black was as good as GOW 1 and 2

@thereaperson below : why did you leave out NG black ?
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juuken  +   2706d ago
For once you make a small bit of sense LaChance. I do agree with NG's combat system. The combos you can pull off with Ryu are awesome.
Dannagar  +   2706d ago

Let me know what you think after you play it.
thereapersson  +   2706d ago
Wake me up with this pointless nonsense when Ninja Gaiden II manages to get an AAA score, as the God Of War games have managed to achieve...

GoW - (94) http://www.metacritic.com/g...

GoW II - (93) http://www.metacritic.com/g...

NG 1 - (91)


NG: II - (82) http://www.metacritic.com/g...

It looks like Edge, in all its pretentious little journalistic ways, is alone in their opinion. I can see it maybe beating Devil May Cry in terms of raw combat, but God of War? I have played all 4 games (GoW 1, 2; NG: I, II) and I can say that while Ninja Gaiden may be hard beyond all measure (at least on the higher difficulties), God Of War just trumps NG in the overall package, INCLUDING combat. I never felt myself feel more into a battle than when I played the first God Of War, as opposed to the first time I played Ninja Gaiden.

Ninja Gaiden is still an amazing series though, and I think that it should have recieved a higher metacritic score from reviewers. I just don't think it tops God of War, is all.

Edit: Okay LaChance, here you go:

NG: Black - (94) http://www.metacritic.com/g...

After an expansion, it just then manages to match up with God Of War, only to regress back down into the low 80's with Ninja Gaiden II, after all the trash talking and garbage that Itagaki spewed forth against other developers and games.

Edit 2: lol @ disagrees. I guess Metacritic is lying then, eh?
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himdeel  +   2706d ago
Bubbles mate...
...you hit it squarely on the head.
1stKnighT  +   2706d ago
Well of course this is going to trouble a few sony fans but it's the truth. The Ninja Gaiden series was always about GAMEPLAY. God of War can be beaten with the same weapon using the same moves. DMC is also pretty easy. NG is for the skilled. Everybody knows this.

I agree with LaChance... the other games had a better presentation but lacked gameplay. NG2 is all about gameplay and that's why it's the better action game.
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thereapersson  +   2706d ago
First Knight, I know from your ridiculous comment that you've never beaten any of the God Of War games
Or even let alone PLAYED them. You know that's not true in the least.
juuken  +   2706d ago
If it had a solid storyline to go with the gameplay, it would be even better. But it does not beat God of War or Devil May Cry. Those two have very solid storylines.
thereapersson  +   2706d ago
Agreed, Juuken, at least on the behalf of GoW
Those games have some of the most well-integrated story-telling of any game in quite some time. DMC is pretty good too, but I think that neither series matches up to the epic scale and aural "punch" that the God of War games have been able to offer.
1stKnighT  +   2706d ago
But we're talking about the fighting engine here. The article talks about the gameplay. Not the story. And NG is second to none.
juuken  +   2706d ago
Fighting engine, yes but a fighting engine isn't the only thing that makes a game great. Story, and good camera goes along with it. NG2 should have improved with the storyline and camera. Stop making it sound as if it's perfect. It does have some faults.
1stKnighT  +   2706d ago
One more time...
THIS article is about the FIGHTING ENGINE. THIS article is talking about how the FIGHTING ENGINE of NG is much better than both DMC and GOW. If their is an article about the story than by all means you can yap till your heart is content. Until than stick with the topic please!
juuken  +   2706d ago
And one more time, IMO games like NG2 should also have a good storyline to go along with it. I read the article, I saw what it said. 1stKNIGHT, I think you *missed* the fact that I wasn't trying to pass my comment as truth but opinion.
butterfinger  +   2706d ago
It's so funny that Ninja Gaiden 2 and other "next-gen" games are compared to "last-gen" God of War. Just more proof that GOW3 will own everything.
thereapersson  +   2706d ago
Well to be fair, there are those who compare last-gen GoW to NG
But I do get what you are saying. Just had to add a little balance to that.
MisfitSmurf  +   2706d ago
NG is for skilled ? the game is not all that hard i've beaten NG, BG black and sigma on the hardest setting without dying in just a couple of plays through the game :/
snp  +   2706d ago
Perhaps you could follow your own advice. The article mentions the game having a 'better combat system', not carte blanche 'better gameplay' as you've expanded it to (and as the link site took it upon itself to paraphrase the review to read). The 'combat system' is one element of 'gameplay'. Camera system is another pretty obvious one, as is story in terms of immersion etc - it all flows into the feel and effect of the experience.

If you just want to talk about 'combat mechanics' stick to calling combat mechanics, 'combat mechanics'. No good expanding it out to 'gameplay' overall and then getting shirty when people call you on that.

Incidentally, it's amusing that the story says the game received 'highest score of the month'. Guess just saying 8 out of 10, and not using selective quoting doesn't provide as good a dig as giving over the review cherry picked.
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juuken  +   2706d ago
Not sure why someone disagreed with you Misfit. Some people have that gift of beating Ninja Gaiden without breaking a sweat.

Kudos to you.
ThaGeNeCySt  +   2706d ago
wouldn't that make misfit a skilled player? Or his he downing own skills when it comes to hack n slash games
Testo  +   2706d ago
In YOUR opinion. =) 1stKnight
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7h3ultim8p00  +   2705d ago
OK Misfit, you are lying come on dude. I mean, to all the Ninja Gaiden Black players here on N4G. Do you REALLY think this guy beat Ninja Gaiden Black on Master Ninja WITHOUT DYING? Not just a chapter. THE ENTIRE GAME. ON MASTER NINJA. IN A COUPLE OF PLAY THROUGHS. LOL much?

I know some people have done it, but not this guy.
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KingArth  +   2706d ago
hahahaha can't wait for a reply from a furious david jaffe lol
Le-mo  +   2706d ago
Is anybody not paying attention to the hotties in the picture??!!!
devilhunterx  +   2706d ago
NG 2 can easily be finished by just SPAMMING THE FLYING SWALLOW move. Even the bosses can be defeated that way.
juuken  +   2706d ago
Um...enemies can get out of the way when you do that move. But then again it's easier to use that now without worrying about backlash.

edit: Legend, yes you can use it to thin out the crowds, and I agree-you can't spam that move. I learned my lesson with Sigma.
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Legend  +   2706d ago
Its pretty clear you have not played this game. This technique hasn't worked since they released Black and fixed the exploit. You try spamming the flying swallow against the enemies on this game and you are in for some serious pain. Most of them (and all the bosses) have unblockable counters that will end your turn should you throw this move at them repeatedly. For example, Genshin's own flying swallow is much faster than Ryu's and is almost automatic should you even jump while fighing him. The flying swallow is for crowd control and thinning ranks, not beating the game. That move would be the OLC. :-)
7h3ultim8p00  +   2705d ago
Yeah, dude that like is old. That worked on the original Ninja Gaiden XBOX. That's were that line came from. Ever since Ninja Gaiden Black, the FS isn't very effective anymore. In fact, above the normal mode in the series, spamming it is a good way to get killed.
McErono  +   2706d ago
they must have another version than me!? NGII is nowhere near any god of war title in my opinion but I agree on DMC...
PeeJee at Xboxkings  +   2706d ago
I agree...
God of War has a better storyline and gameplay I guess. And actually I prefer DMC4 over NG2, sorry :P The game is oke.. but after a while it gets bored, the same moves and same enemies over and over again.
thereapersson  +   2706d ago
And the puzzles in the God of War games are simply devious.
sonic1989  +   2706d ago
i liked NG over DMC.
Cherchez La Ghost  +   2706d ago
I agree..,
I just beat NG2 last night. Despite the camera pissing me off more than several occasions, it was more of a challenging game between God of War & Devil May Cry. The Karma build-up get's you going to pull off some of the sickest combo's in a game I've ever scene. The enemies on this game will **** you up!! Ninja Gaiden 2 has more combo moves than Devil and God of War combined. So all of you gamers out that wants a challenge, get Ninja Gaiden 2. Don't be a little beoitch to cry about the "CAMERA ANGLEs". If I and others out there completed this game, why can't you?!!
Legend  +   2706d ago
I agree with Edge 100%.
I'm sorry for anyone who is too wrapped in only playing games that are cosidered "AAA" (given the current climate of game journalism in regards to their comprimised integrity, this is a ridiculous notion). I am a fan of both the DMC and GOW series but when it comes to action gaming NG is the best in breed. Its combat is flawless. I play action games for the combat and each of the games seven primary weapons are so deep you can drown days into learning the subtlest nuances. The camera works if you take the time to learn how to use it. It is entirely in the player's control and another facet of the gameplay. And call me old school but I don't care about story in a hack and slash. To me that's like caring about the story in Guitar Hero or SuperStardust. If I want story, I'll run through MGS again. If I want to be forced to get better at a game and actually be rewarded with the feeling of serious accomplishment all while engaging in the most engaging combat out there, I'll play NGII on its unlockable difficulty levels.
thereapersson  +   2706d ago
You know who are too busy wrapped up in worrying about so-called AAA games?
360 fanboys. 360 owners also buy whatever crap that's served out to them with a 360 logo on it (sort of like Wii owners, too). It's why games sell so much more on the 360, even if they aren't very good / deserving of their ratings..

Then again, the opposite could be said about PS3 owners, who, despite having plenty of great games out there to buy, simply fail to bump the attach rate of the system up to par.
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Legend  +   2706d ago
I agree with the sentiment, but don't you find it hypocritical to take this stance after your post # 10, where you base your premise (God of War is superior based upon critical acclaim) on the concept of a so called AAA title?
The Wood  +   2706d ago
great pic Legend
i liked that American psycho and am a huge fan of C Bale

Does anybody have both games here. Edge are starting to act strange.
thereapersson  +   2706d ago
I see what you are saying, Legend
However, it was mainly to prove a point to the fanboys on this site who are constantly obsessed with numbers. I could actually care less about what a game receives just as long as I get the chance to play it and I like it. If not, I don't care if its cumulative average is 100/100; you can't polish a turd and expect the smell to disappear as well.
Legend  +   2706d ago
@thereapersson - I understand. Well said and cheers.

@thewood - thanks man! Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. :-)

Bubbles to both. I'm in a generous mood today. Its Friday, after all. Even though neither of you need them.
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thereapersson  +   2706d ago
Bubble up for you, Legend
You provide a good conversation here
The Wood  +   2706d ago
you aint gunna kill me are ya patrick


@ thereapersson

my sentiments exactly

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Legend  +   2706d ago
That depends on how much better your business card is than mine. :-)
Closing  +   2706d ago
I agree.
NG has always been my favorite out of the bunch, and hopefully next time they'll have better bosses, camera, and story. The mechanics alone make it the best out of those titles because action games rely the most on that. In short ninjas are just cooler. However If GoW3 can pull off what it did last gen for this gen then it will be a force to be reckoned with so I definitely can't wait to see what they have up their sleeves for that title.
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kazuma  +   2706d ago
well, gaiden 2 has a metacritic score of 82 ,dmc4 84, god of war 1 94, god of war 2 93.
iGrenade  +   2706d ago
Yeah, Right.
Because we all care what Edge thinks. Tch. I really think they should hire some professionals instead of 12-year-olds. They really need to get their heads straight and stop their crazy accusations. I enjoy playing Ninja Gaiden II, but I wholely disagree that the gameplay mechanics "completely obliterate" that of Devil May Cry and God of War.
jackie chann  +   2706d ago
Ninja gaiden just targets a different crowd.

It's going after us 1990s arcade junkies, it's a game like metal slug. It's got flawless gameplay packed with non stop action, and an extremely poor plot. However this "breed" of gamer doesn't really care about plot, we've seen it all before. We're a type of "adreneline junkie" moving on to the next big challenge. Kind of like a drug addict needing higher doses to get high, we need higher doses of hard gameplay.

In the end we just want a challenge, it's nice to watch incredible cinematics, but when it suddenly dumbs down and half of the attacks from the cut-scenes aren't in-game. Playing the game through a second time is near pointless because you've already seen that cut-scene.

So yeah story games are great, but after your first play through you'll just skip them (unless you're a massive fan). So we end up turning to gameplay and this is where NG2 delivers.
Legend  +   2706d ago
Well said Chann.
Spot on oberservation. You have just described me perfectly. Bubbles up!
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The Wood  +   2706d ago
decribed me also
back then....
PirateThom  +   2706d ago
God of War blows everything else away, if you don't believe it, I don't really care, since you're free to believe whatever you want.
brothersimon  +   2706d ago
I dont like DMC to Ninja ... Ive always thought ninja was the better game.
Veryangryxbot  +   2706d ago
Keep hyping that shiat bro. Just like what you bots do with all your games.
And then one morning you wake up, surf over to N4g and see this:




Didnt you bots did the same thing with Bioshock, Mass effect and more of that crap? Rofl look at what happened with Bioshock kiddo.

So yea, keep hyping those games cos they happen to be 360 exclusive so far. When Tecmo PWNS Itagaki, then we will see if you are still laughing.
LuHawk  +   2706d ago
Still aint got that ps3 controller out your butt? Damn your gay
highdro  +   2706d ago
i dont know what EDGE has been smoking now adays, first the give MGS4 8 and now they come up with this, i have played bothe this games they are talking about and i still prefer GOD OF WAR , the camera in god of war is so much better than dmc4 and ng2, also the controls in god of war works better, in god of war 2 the opean stage was explosive, u fight a big ass god as soon as u begain and the action is more epic because of the music they play, i still like dmc4 and ng2 but i love GOD OF WAR 1&2 and with sony showing GOD OF WAR 3 at this E3 event its just going to confirm that GOD OF WAR is the true king of hack and slash games.
Swiftfox  +   2706d ago
So it's gameplay of Ninja Gaiden 2 vs God of War vs Devil May Cry 4.

Which is the best? Simple. Which ever you yourself enjoyed more.

No need to try to convert or ridicuel other gamers who just so happened to not agree with you. It's fine to state your opinion, just don't ram it down my throat as fact.
Aquanox  +   2706d ago
Gameplay wise
There's no action game with better fight mechanics than Ninja Gaiden II. DMC4 and God of War might have better storytelling and higher production values, but when it comes to gameplay and combat, Ninja Gaiden II obliterates them all.
heyheyhey  +   2706d ago
true stuff there

still prefer GOW though- i like me some story in games, and.. erm... sex mini-games =)
The Wood  +   2706d ago
NG fight system
is the closest to a vs fighting game you can get but that is not enough to it to warrant such a score and brush its faults under the carpet.

Scores are comparable no matter what genre they are so I ask again

What is the better game? NG or MGS
Swiftfox  +   2706d ago
I'm afraid only you can answer that question...

...And prevent forest fires.
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Legend  +   2706d ago
Well, MGS challenges the concept of what can traditionally be considered a "game." It blurs the line between game and movie like no other game I've played. I have no problem with the cut scenes and enjoy watching them, as they are the highest quality I've seen. In fact, I just finished up Act 3 last night and even my fiancee, who usually is too busy reading wedding magazines to pay much notice, was enthralled to the point of asking me serious questions about what was going on. She said that it was better than most movies she's seen this year. As for actual gameplay, I don't want to give too much away but I'll say that I just finished the greatest vehicle level in any game I've ever played.

NGII is akin to an old school arcade game. High energy, high speed, high difficulty, high adrenaline. It is less concerned with story and more concerned with jumping in and cutting people up like an upturned lawn mower.

This is a difficult comparison to make because of the differences between the two in terms of just about everything they bring to the TV. MGS4 is an experience that will be regarded as a definitive example of generation seven gaming. The fan service is awesome. The story is driving, the characters are engaging, the graphics are fantastic, and the new gameplay faculties are awesome. NGII is platinum in regards to combat, but stays firmly rooted in what was done last gen on its XBOX versions, and in Sigma.

What it comes down to is what type of experience you are looking for at the moment. High speed action with ridiculous difficulty (on the higher levels) or interactive and immersive experience that pushes the concept of gaming forward and stands as an example in the "games as art" argument.
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