Cliff Bleszinski, lead game designer of Gears of War 2, cites Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic doesn't want to make. What were his exact words? Read on to find out.
lmao....ok. Whatever you say cliffy. Frankly, guns ablazing big steroid induced burly men are so 1990s. Id rather MGS4 over UT/Gears thx.
This guy's a (______)<--- insert 3 letter derogatory word here.
Hey CliffyNutjob, it’s not Kojimas fault that M$ stuck you with DVD9, and last gen hardware. If you’re so jealous of MGS4 put your money where your mouth is and make a game for the PS3, you BABOON.
There really was no need for that comment... i guess he's so wrapped around action and action (which is not bad) that he couldn't simply appreciate some slower pace game. By that comment only thing that i can detect is jealousy...
I predict this thread will turn the cold war into a blazin hot one.
Those games aren't my cup of tea. I want action Dammit!!! If I want to watch a whole bunch of long cutscene I'll go to the movies. But that's just my own personal preference. To each his own!
With or without the cutscenes, there's still a great game there.
Someone needs to tell him that faux hawk hairdoos are passe and on the way out. Unreal Tournament 3 didn't sell worth a dam because instagib producing mindless shooters are on the way out. Maybe if he smoked less reefer and employed his mind more then he would understand the undertones of MGS. Sorry wanna be surferboy/new wave/giblet, but your comments are on the way out.
I bet Kojima would say the same thing about Geow.
And all you guys woul have agreed with praises.
edit : Kojima would probably would have said "I dont Gears is the kinda game we would want to make , all violence etc".Its just perssonal taste.
You guys seem to be pretty one minded and closed up to any kinda differance in opinion.
edit 2 : @ Morgan Fell below : oh well , thanxs for the link.I admit I didnt know he like Geow.
But sorry man Kojima isnt my father and I dont spend all day long looking at his portrait and checking up everything that comes out of his mouth..Maybe thats why I dont know his each and every word.
Once again to everyone : dont mind my post but Im not deleting it because evry one makes mistakes and the really is no problam at all.You guys should chill out.
@Wildarm, well said, nothing more that can be said that practically sums it all up. What I see happening is, just like the Halo series, no more campaign just simply multiplayer gaming. As well I see their franchise coming to an abrupt end very soon. Can someone also remind me how long the MGS Series has been alive...since the SNES (but I also believe there was a game way back on the very first PC of MGS). QQ more Biffy. @Monchichi025 Did you even play the game? If you'd played the game you'd realize that the only, OMG long......(QQ) cutscenese are after you've beaten the game. Other than that you may also SKIP the cutscenes!!! (say what?????? no way!!!) Yeah, that's right you DON'T HAVE TO WATCH THEM. Now STFU and be on your way. MGS4 -- game of the year hands down. Will it get it? No. Why? Because it's a game for MGS Series FANS not newbies. But even newbies can appreciate this unmatchable game.
Cliff Bleszinski, lead game designer of Gears of War 2, should cite Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic cannot make.
No last lachance, that just shows how little you know about Kojima. http://www.gamepro.com/news... " I'm a fan of Gears of War as well, it's very interesting." Now go crawl under a rock and never come here again. @super below, it doesn't change the meaning at all.
He wasn't dissing MGS4 at all he was merely answering an IGN question regarding the story and used it's storytelling methods as a contrast to what will be seen in Gears 2 - essentially implying more interactive storytelling/scenes rather than the "passive" MGS4 cutscenes for players to watch. You can read the full interview/hands on @ IGN here http://au.xbox360.ign.com/a... I've reprinted the quote in it's proper context. Something which Ripten obviously realised wouldn't have garnered as many hits for such a nothing story! lol IGN: "What lessons did you learn from the first game?" Cliffy B: "We wanted a blockbuster pace, and in doing so, we lost the story a bit. So that's one of the lessons we learned. This time round there's more repetition. Games aren't movies and aren't consumed in a single sitting. So secondary characters will remind you about stuff, which is re-established in plot cues. Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we're not doing. Passive entertainment is on its way out – you need to hook up with this web 2.0 stuff."
that is what i think as well. People should really hold back a bit. I really doubt Cliff would diss Kojima. It dosen't sound like him. I read it as well and its obvious that he is just saying that they doing something different from MGS4 nothing more nothing less. In saying it he should be careful with his words though. Internet nowdays can take two words you say and take it completely out of context.
-1.3 million gamers on MGS4's release didnt think so, even though many had somewhat of an idea how long the cutscenes were
-Over 70 game sites/magazines don't think so
-And the next million gamers who show up on day one to buy the next metal gear won't think so either
-Not passive, STEALTH ACTION with beautiful and captivating cutscenes necessary to the story.
-It is what it is, Metal Gear
I am thankful for: a game that actually has a great story, Naomi Hunter, mustaches, and Hideo Kojima
David Hayter for president
Yes, I did play the game and as CLEARLY stated above, it's personally not my type of game. You tell me to skip the cutscenes??? You do realize that a person would be totally lost and not get the full story if one did. So you are kinda forced to watch them. and your in deniel if you say they ain't long. They are!!! So why don't you STFU!
MGS4 is great. ive only played the first two levels and its really good... but just because Cliffy B is making a great game for the xbox doesnt mean you should Bagg on him. Gears is a great game, to me alot funner than anything else out there. MGS has a good story like always but after you beat it then what? online? lol. gears has a much funner online experience. Just like kojima made a masterpiece, Cliffy B also has one and is making another. DONT HATE ON CLIFFY B!!!
Thats such a bad point. Scratch that, it's a non-existant point.
If you don't like the story, why are you watching the cutscenes? Make your mind up. Just skip them, and what the pretty levels go by, like you do in average games like Gears. The truth is there isn't a valid critisism of the cutscenes.
You are just so ignorant it's untrue. And a dumbwit, but that titles goes to anyone who can't make a game any more depthy than an 11" Chainsaw. Or soemone who buys that game.
Cliffy B is sort of a toolbag. Does anyone remember how this dude looked before he became this "hip and trendy" game designer celebrity figure? Guy was a total weirdo. Now hes the poster child for 360 cuz hes "so cool :p" I mean I love Epic Games, but just because they can't make a good narrative if their life depended on it, doesn't mean they should be talkin crap about games that can.
Cliffy's just jealous. Remind me to write his name on my notebook.
MGS4 had 20 years of story to tie up. i don't even remember Gears story. just shoot the monsters, THEY"LL KILL US ALL!!!...............that's about it. i enjoyed Gears, it was one of the few games on the 360 that i really really liked. but i'd take MGS4 over Gears 100x's. i hope the new Gears is good and i'll play it, but if Cliffy thinks his games are in the same league with MGS4 he's delusional.
Gotta love people who take words out of context and spin them up they way they so shall please to.. This is nothing more than flame bait, but even with that said i would much rather play Gears than Metal gear. But thats because i am a action buff.. MGS4 is much more of a game you have to set some time aside to play. While Gears is a pick up game and ACTION right away in your face. Nothing wrong with either game its all in what you prefer. I am of course a gears of war type player while i know a few people who like metal gear so to each his own..... And to say MGS4 is better then GeOW and vice versa is just ignorant fanboy talk. Oh btw it is a FACT that MGS4 is a SLOW paced STORY DRIVEN gameplay.. While GeOW is in FACT a FAST paced ACTION DRIVEN gameplay.... THIS IS A FACT FANBOYS... Comparing the two gameplays is like comparing a Ferrari to a Rolls-Royce....
Both games are different and a breath of fresh air for whatever gaming taste your craving at the moment.
They aren't long. And the story is MUCH, MUCH longer than just MGS4. Simply playing MGS4 you are CLUELESS to the background information that was built up from the ground in the beginning of the series, so don't give me that crap that "skipping the cutscene leaves you clueless" because quite frankly, unless you've played the whole series prior to MGS4, you are, in fact, quite clueless to begin with. Second, I do believe that my bowl of STFU soup got cold, and if you weren't starving for it, I might have just asked for yours.
haha i completely agree with you... u can skip these cut scenes and if long stories arent ur cup of tee well them skip them.... and if u feel like u missed an important fact about what u need to do.. heres a hint.. call otacon and in less than 15 seconds hes sums up where u need to go... OR look at the map.. the next OBJ is MARKED on your map... then u can proceed to your game... .. but honestly Xhairs summed it up better than i did i think... Cheers and bubbles Xhairs
I actually sort of liked CliffyB before he started talking crap, then he went downhill. Everyone's cool, until they open their mouth, only for an ungodly amount of crap to come out. I hate when they do this. I don't see the point on ripping a game that is not only far, far better than anything Epic could even dream of creating, but is guaranteed to remain that way, Gears of War 2 is obviously not going to change that, let's not kid ourselves here.
I agree with Wildarms.... It's fine for him to say they're making a different game but they clearly took a shot by saying passive games are on their way out. It's not all that passive first off, you do interact at times during cutscenes but I would have been disappointed if they made the scenes short "press the corresponding button" kind of thing just to appease those who are too impatient to enjoy great storytelling. I'm glad Kojima is dedicated enough to his craft cause too many games/movies are cookie cutter archetypes designed for the impatient and full of mindless action. Not to say gears will be the latter, too early to tell.
"Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we’re not doing"
That part is ok. Nothing wrong with saying that.
"Passive entertainment is on its way out – you need to hook up with this web 2.0 stuff."
That part is a dig. No doubt about it. There is nothing taken out of context, he just said the Game, nay the masterpiece Kojima made is on it's way out. Essentially telling everyone (possibly including Kojima himself) they/he needs to hook up with this web 2.0 stuff.
Essentially that his game is web 2.0, Kojimas masterpiece is 1.0. That's out of context? NO!
How are 90 minute cut scenes NOT passive?
Cliff Blahzinsky could learn quite a few things from Kojima. Monoichi or whatever the hell his name is above should consider that. First off the bat is cutscene placement. Yes there are great cutscenes in MGS4 that you can skip. You can also save the game right after cutscenes. Can you do that in Gears. Hell no. Save points are before cutscenes. And why? Because Cliffy decided people need to watch cutscenes when coming back to a game or when dying. Even if the story line was 2nd grade simple. Apparently Cliffy thinks his fans are idiots that need to be refreshed even on simple matters. MGS4 fans fart in your general direction Cliffy. There was nothing worse in Gears than some of the cutscenes that you could not skip. They were always right before a point in the game where you died..a lot. And then the player was forced to go back and repeat that same idiotic unskippable cutscene a bazillion times. Or just as bad, you would have to travel a long distance and then see a short cutscene then die only to repeat it all over again. Remember when you first meet the Theron Guards at the pumping station? Sheer bad design with placing checkpoints.
Personally, I call them action figures, because that's what they look like to me. Action figures in big burly suits of armor. I'm surprised none of them fell over yet with all of that armor. "cites Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic doesn’t want to make." It sounds like he's dissing MGS4 to me. What the hell does he mean by *passive*? And Fallen Angel, if CliffyB (what a stupid name, lol) wasn't saying anything bad about MGS4, then why did he specifically site this game? What the hell did he mean by it being *passive*? It sounds like an insult. This quote here sounds even more of an insult to me. "“Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we’re not doing. Passive entertainment is on its way out.”" You explain to me what he meant by that.
because THAT is FAST entertainment, lol.
p.s. yeah, stealth - passive, sure. =))
Cliffy B is a loser...just like MS. MS= fail just like their products. If MS had HALF a brain and made Halo 1 on X Box 360 with just better graphics and more maps, made it X Box Live compatible and had a MORE relable console, THEN I would buy it. But not crappy Halo 3.
Nice going Fallen_Angel. You have been reported, for that offensive comment. If MGS4 is trash, then Gears of War 1 and Gears of War 2 are the biggest piles of trash I have ever seen. I'm sure trash like MGS4 wouldn't have gotten so many 10's and 5's. I'm sure that trash like MGS4 wouldn't be praised as being one of the best games of all time. Lol, of course you would say that Lee. It seems that 360 owners would even follow MS off a cliff these days. The man clearly insulted the game-no ifs, ands, or BUTS.
I can't believe all these people just attacking Cliffy for this comment. All the MGS4 and PS3 fanboys coming to the rescue. Fact is that all Cliffy is saying is that these are not the kind of games Epic makes as they are focusing more on "action" (or should I say more gameplay).
Let's face it, MGS4 is a great game and cinematics are awesome, but man the cutscenes are long. This game is certainly one of the most passive games I played.
Cliffy's statement is pretty accurate to me.
yeah jukkens right, if mgs4 is a bad game then so is gears1&2, halo1,2&3, uncharted, hevenly sword, mass effect, bioshock, gta1,2,3&4, basically every game ever made is bad according to you. and im sure you heard mgs4's cut scenes are pretty exciting and amazing, so like why make your self look dumb? i dont get people these days, you sound like your under age to buy a T rated game. (T for teen)
He just said that MGS it's the kind of game that Epic doesn't want to make. What is the problem with that? It is just his opinion...
You call that art.
"It seems associating with xbox brand make people DUMB,first that peter moore,then shane kim and greenberg,then Itagaki and now cliffy B.Take this friendly advice seriously and Avoid xbox and anything related to it by all means!"
Wow! We should definetly listen to you with such an intelligent conclusion from your observation.... [/sarcasm]
For those of you complaining about the cutscenes I have some questions for you. First off how would you tell the story? Would you just tell it while you're stealthing around? Probably not, why? Because it's a long series of games that started years (not year or months or days or even within the first hour of MGS4, years) ago. You can't exactly jam pack those first 3 games (and more if you consider them) into the game WHILE you're playing it. Second, if people have trouble understanding the story line now, how will they ever understand it while trying to sneak past a guard without being seen? They wont, plain and simple. Third, what good is the story line if it's not to be told in its entirety? It's not, because then you have a simple FPS game. Lets face it, the story line in an FPS is told to you in the first objective, from there on out you just kill people to reach your destination (with the exception of the sniping stage in CoD4). Would you all like it better if you just ran through the game as they told you briefings? What about the whole story that started over 20 years ago? I mean it makes total sense to me to just complete an objective and move along just like in call of duty 4 right? Wrong. This isn't an FPS game, it's an action - stealth - game. Hence it's supposed to be slow, it's patience that allows you to beat the game not your weapons. Trust me, if you've beaten the game and gone to extreme boss mode you'll find that out within the first act. @Fallen Angel I know you're not cliffyB but you're trying to protect him by saying he didn't say anything (when in fact he didn't state it but he did say it subtly (meaning of subtly -- not clearly known)). That's the problem is you're a hypocrite and that's what I was getting across to you. How can you protect him while stating the game is bad because of cut scenes being so long -- not to mention I told you that you can skip them and call otacon to figure out what to do/where to go. So why watch them? If you don't like them, why did you play it? Obviously you would have had to have some background to pick this game up correct? So you obviously knew based off of the past 3 games he put out that the story is the main part of the game. If you couldn't pick that up, then I say good day sir. You have no point commenting on the game if you cannot figure these things out yourself.
you know, if metal gear 4 wasnt called metal gear 4. and it was just some random game called sneaking boss or something all of you would of agreed. the cutscenes in the game are monumentally long. especially the one at the end of the game and the one at the end of chapter 3. i literally was like OMG end already! on my first playthrough.
in a game that takes 20 hours to beat and 10 of them are cutscenes... i would defenetly consider that passive.
You not even played MGS right...? Are you trying to get some attention for your game? What if Kojima says: GeoW is "dumb entertaiment (kill everything blocking the path)"
Gears of War gameplay > Metal Gear Solid 1-4 gameplay
Clif has a point...I have never played an MGS game more than once. I havent played MGS4 so I cant say anything about it but its safe to assume its like the others. Both are and will be great games. Just enjoy them and stop sucking corporate diq you waste of a brain fanboys.
@lachance, I don't either. His comments were carried by plenty of publications. And from what I have seen you spend all day attacking Kojima and anyone else that happens to like the PS3 and any thing even remotely pro PS3. And if you did something besides complain and attack the PS3 you would see that N4G carried the article I referenced. http://www.n4g.com/News-203... Game, set, match. Metal Gear fans > vickers500. Snake > Marcus Fenix who never saw Snake coming.
I love MGS, but 90 minute cut scenes ARE passive, you watch them you don't interact. It's still art, and it's still an amazing game, but a huge chunk of it is PASSIVE. Cliffy is right.
why are there so many stupid people in the world?
Fanboy colors sure show when somebody doesn't want to make the same type of game that you absolutely adore and would die for. All he said is his opinion, that cutscenes are less welcomed these days. He's saying that most people want to see stuff in-game, which is true for a lot of gamers. I can't see how you people think he's dissing MGS4. All he said is he doesn't want to make a cutscene-driven game. You Playstation fanboys are far too sensitive about your precious MGS4 to look at what he actually said. Chill out, please. Just because the idiot that did this article put it way out of context, you just have to go and flip out without looking further into the real interview.
i like epic's games but to be honest, unreal tournament had the WORST (by far) story and single player mode ive ever seen. not to tsay the action wasnt good. but it was just a bunch of instant action with bots tied together with a lousy generic plot
Hideo > Cliffy, no contest. MGS > Gears no contest. The story told through cut scenes in MGS4 was better then most "Blockbuster movies" and it did not take away from any gameplay. MGO also is great and takes up many hrs of my time currently.
everyone knows you couldn't pull off anything close to MGS if you have 1 billion dollars and 10 years to spend on it.
Metal Gear Solid has an Amazing Story;A Story that has captivated Millions of gamers and tugged at each ones Emotions for years and years. Gears of War?After I finished it,I literally wondered out loud if they had even hired Writers.
Tell me about it; I just love those one liners in GeoW... The game was fun, but the story was anything but engaging or interesting...
Reality: this is the kind of game you dont even know how to make. Cliffy, you talk a lot of shiat. Is that jealousy I sense? Metacritic MGS4 = 9.6 Magazines called it GAME OF THE CENTURY. This boy needs to sing a tone lower. You havent really accomplished anything here cliffy. Youre a noob compared to Kojima. The fame is clearly getting to your head.
They just ain't got tha skillz to make this type of game. Just stick with dumbed down PC shooters on xbox, boys.
They are just different developers. Its not that he doesn't want to make a game like MGS4, because I'm pretty sure every single game developer on the planet wishes they could develop a game as polished as MGS4, Epic just does not have the capability to make a game design that well. Look at all their games, none of them have the polish that comes close to some of the greatest games ever. Sure they have good graphics, big whoop, that doesn't mean its polished or have an excellent presentation. Their specialty is mindless shooters, and they will never be able to make anything else. They make games with fun gameplay, but nothing that breaks grounds or drops jaws. Cliffs just very arrogant and has a biiiig mouth, mostly because the American journalists gas his ego up even more than it needs to. I swear, G4 especially always has Cliffy B nuts shoved down their throats. This guy is clearly letting his 15 minutes get to his head, he should show respect to the legends who built the ground for young clowns like him to tread on. Oh yea Cliff, how were UT3 sales again?? Yea exactly, Passive entertainment is on its way out I guess huh? Lawl, Gears of War will be the last successful franchise for these guys, that is after they milk it completely dry.
if you consider passive gaming to be anything where the writers spent more than an hour on the story and dialgouge.
Metal Gear is a story that took over 20 years to tell and 4 generations of hardware.
Show some respect you little twerp.
In a recent interview with IGN, CliffyB was quoted in saying the following: “Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we’re not doing. Passive entertainment is on its way out.” ROUGHLY TRANSLATED :- " Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we`re not able to do. It`s just beyond us"
'Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic doesn't want to make' or maybe they just can't make.
I'm not a hater of the GOW franchise but I would much prefer a stealth logic game over a mindless killing game any day.
If GOW2 could compare to MGO with online diffinantly with SOP I would be impressed to play or keep a impressive storyline then yes.
thats your opinion.
I like both games.
Anyway I give you rendez vous at the end of the year to see which game the planet prefers: Geow 2 or MGS4.
MGS4 at 1 million already in one week , good performance.
Lets see which game the gamers choose.
BTW , wow pretty surprised cliffy said THAT !
To me that was a tiny bit disrespectful but hey thats his opinion.It wasnt really rude or anything.
edit : hmmmm werent you the same guys hyped up for Geow 3 on PS3 ?
Wow , funny how in 10 minutes Geow is all of a sudden a crappy game.
btw , gears aint never coming to PS3.
That 1 million is strictly Europe. There's more countries in the world than just Europe so expect more. 2nd, MGS4 was created as a game for MGS Fans. Not for people new to the franchise (as stated by Kojima himself). Therefor newer people may not be as interested as MGS devoted fans are and will probably want to play a game such as GeoW. If anyone has ever played the first 3, who would be saying any different than, MGS4 IS Game of the Year. 3rd, it is disrespectful because like IGN stated -- It came from nowhere (meaning they weren't even talking about MGS4). Also because he made an incredibly stupid claim, "Passive gaming is on its way out". Incorrect, what is the Wii, and why does it lead all consoles to date by a very very large margin for $500 please Alex.
Can ANYONE make a non-favorable comment about a Sony related game, or console, or periphal without you guys attacking them. You dudes are like voltures. You will praise a person one day and attack the next. I remember when UT3 first came out, because it wasn't out on the 360 yet you PS3 fans praised it, and talked about how great it was.
Now CB makes an unclear comment about MSG4 and suddenly he sucks, UT3 sucks, etc. Where does it end. I'm not even sure if what he said was even a negative comment, making this type of game is not his style, okay that's not a bad thing, that's his preference. The game is passive, well to be honest, shouldn't a "tactical espionage" game be passive. Is splinter cell passive?
So, what';s all the fuss about? You folks are so difficult to understand. And you're so frickin spoiled. Totally frustrating.
@Bill Gates (Below)
Please take the time to read your comments, then imagine someone that is a 360 fan making a similar comment about MSG4. (Take your comment and reverse the names, put gears where you put MSG4 and vice versa, put cliffy B where you put Hideo Kojima.) Now, would you take that person seriously. Thank you, so why should anyone take you seriously, you are WAY too blinded by your love for the Sony Kool-Aid.
All you're doing is speaking from anger and frustration which is kinda of strange all in itself considering you mean nothing to any of the parties that you are defending.
Honestly, I'm not entirely sure how to take this. It could have just been an off-the-cuff comment that he didn't really think about, or maybe he totally meant it as a jab at MGS. It's interesting either way.
I wouldn't want gears to be like MGS4 anyways, I couldn't imagine 20 minute cutscenes for gears unless the cut scenes were very interesting.
Hideo Kojima is a genius. Cliffy B is just an idiot that thinks his games are actually good. MGS4 outscored Gears of War and it will outscore Gears of War 2 as well. Epic will never have the talent to make a game like MGS anyway lol. It's not that they don't "want to" make a game like that, it's that they can't. They've got zero creativity.
They're equal Gears = 94 http://www.metacritic.com/g... MGS4 = 94 http://www.metacritic.com/g... MGS 4 WOULD be higher but there were several 80's that brought the score down.
When they add THESE reviews... http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News... http://www.n4g.com/industry... http://www.n4g.com/industry... ...It will be at 95 or higher, and higher than Gears of War. And the only idiots that reviewed MGS4 with an 8 are the morons that never played the previous games in the series and found the story to be confusing. Not to mention Microsoft paid for most of those 8's, just like they pay for good reviews.
Does everyone think that MS pays for good reviews/bad review