AUTOMATON asks: Is the constant connection for the players' benefit, or just another twist in the industry's best interests? Peter Martin answers.
Its a decent piece that shine light always online and acceptance. @Madmonkey01 Honestly there is no difference. In Destiny you have the choice of buying and accepting the always online requirement that comes with it or avoiding the title altogether. The same applied to the XB1 pre E3 a year ago. Seeing as no one was forcing you buy the console to begin with. The only true difference is one was a console and one is a game. Regardless, despite gamers moaning and groaning about always-online a vast majority of them will still go buy the games that have them as a requirement. It's only a matter of time before always-online requirement become a standard in this industry. Truthfully it already has.
As it stand, when PSN goes down for maintenaince, there is already a bunch of content you bought that you cannot access. So a lot of people already bought it on the PS4. At least with the original Xbox One policy you could share your game with 10 people, gift or trade it away, and the buck stopped at 24-hour check-in, which is better than what is going on now with PSN/PS4. It is quite ironic really!
There's a big difference between a game and console though. I'm fine with buying "always on" games, because if something happens to my internet connection, I can still play something else. With the entire console being "always on", if something happens to the internet connection, you can't play ANYTHING. Like tonight. PS4 is scheduled for maintenance. If I can't play Destiny, I'll just pop in Diablo 3. No harm no foul. I wouldn't be able to do that with a console thats always on. So there is a BIG difference between "always on" games and "always on" consoles.
Thats how I looked at it at the reveal last year. My 360 and PS3 have been 'always online' since the very first day I purchased them. MS was upfront with the restrictions and requirements and nobody was forced to buy their product. I personally feel like the XB1 would have been able to grow even more over the last year if they could habe executed their original vision
i chose not to play destiny. so yes its different.
well this kind of sucks!!! i have my day one ps4, and i plan to fill it with games in its hard drive (like GTA5) and take it to my house in mexico. and buy a new one to keep @ my house. my problem is, I'm really limited to internet access down there....
I'm a bit surprised by that read. It actually was good! The author is right about all those games, they're mainly from Ubisoft and that does say something about the company. People know this. I'm not buying any of those games. I was thinking about Far Cry, but I'll just wait for the Witcher 3. As for those games being always online, I've got a good feeling that the sales are not going to be what the companies are hoping for. All this "always on" talk does nothing but benefit the company. They get to tell us when we can play our games by being online. They don't want to continue support? They'll just drop the game in favor of the new one, forcing you to upgrade or be left behind. When it gets that bad, gaming is dead IMO
how fast we change our minds.
This is why i don't trust the cloud, sooner or later you won't even own these products anymore, remember when system link existed? They removed that and now they're trying to get rid of offline all together. Also, disconnect your PS4 and try looking at your trophies (Sony may have updated it to where you can now but at the time i couldn't), we sure do have dark times ahead of us because of ignorant gamers, just remember that you're (or your mother) paying for Internet and PSN monthly fees only to get nothing in return (PSN "Free" games are not yours).
difference is, we have a choice.
What about for games that don't give you a choice? Games that require you to be always online, where's the choice then? Edit: Aaaah ok, so you can always chose not to buy something if you don't like it and that's that. Got it, sounds reasonable and easy enough...sort of like having a choice to not buy a console if it had always online.
You can choose not to buy the game.
The choice is to not buy the game if it bothers you that much. Plus, it's up to the developer to make "always on" games or not, not the console manufactures.
That is hilarious! The undertone is strong with this one! :D
A lot of people weren't buying the console. Protip, thats why they changed it :)
do not buy it ,vote with your wallet.I dint buy Destiny and never will.
exactly, its your choice to play a game that's always online, just as it would be to buy console that's always online
because someone was forcing you to buy an XB1 when they announced these policies last year?
I wonder if both ps4 and xbone launchr with always online drm what would yall choose? Not to buy both and buy q wiiU yeah right. People woul act like its a good thing while still trying to find ways to downplay the other console. I doubt fanboys would go to the only console the seem to be more for the gamers. And yall do notice NOW when don't pay for ps+ and live you own half of your game that you already paid $60 for. Keep acting like console gamers are smart buyers and the have principles
The don't just want you to be online so that they can datamine your activities. They want you online because then they can potentially sell you things. Having players connect is the internet age equivalent of having someone wandering around your shop. AND they can datamine.
This also prevents people from going back and simply playing old games. Once servers are shut off for a game it's done if it's an always online title. I can go back and play anything on PS2 or SNES but with these games once the servers are shut off there is no game, no going back, buy the new stuff or GTFU.
And yet people gobble up these online only games and also digital download games which will all suffer the same fate. Deleted a game due to the HDD being full? Now if you want to go back and play a few years later you can't because they discontinued it on their servers. Basically with online/digital you own nothing, because they can and will discontinue it at any time making "your" whole game library useless. Every digital and online only game is basically an extended rental. Even if you think you are going to beat the system by buying physical, they got you there too. Basically ALL games today ship incomplete, buggy and broken on disk (this is on purpose too) requiring you to go to the internet to get patches for the working version. When the patches are gone you are stuck with a downgraded version on disc forever. DriveFlub ships with no weather, The Evil Within, a single player game, is a low-res stuttery mess until you get the patch that upgrades the framerate and resolution, on and on. These consoles are internet required systems no matter what they say. No one minds so they will keep up their practices. It is easy to stop this by voting with your wallet.
When my Net was out for 6 days I found out the hard way the games you get with PS Plus for PS4 have DRM and can't be played at all without it.My PS3 Plus games work fine without it though.MS told everyone they were going to do DRM and people including myself though a fit so they changed it.Sneaky Sony and their DRM,their just adding it without saying anything about it and getting away with it.If my plus is paid up my PS4 shouldn't have to be online to play those games just like my PS3,end of story!
Weird, mines work even without internet. Always online is going to happen whether we want it or not. Soon everything will be connected, even your toilet. That's part of the future, a future where we must give up our basic freedom. The Question is, are you ok with making your privacy public?
@gamingsincethe80s i'm pretty sure you're lying.
He/She might not have his/her PS4 activated as a primary system for his/her PSN account. You can only play PS+ games offline if they are downloaded to your primary system. The sad thing is, sometimes people will intentionally decline to designate their PS4 as their primary one, download games, disconnect from the internet, then take pictures of the error message that comes up when they try to play their PS+ games while offline, in a trolling attempt to "prove" the PS4 has secret DRM. I don't know if GamingSinceThe80s is one of these trolls or just does not understand how to designate a PS4 as a primary system.
@GamingSinceThe80s Did you just make that up for your own benefit. I'm sitting here, my PS4 not connected to the internet and guess what? A PS+ game is running fine. Do you want to get your coat on the way out?
Yeah double dose of weird because all my PS+ PS4 games work offline as well.
Only way that would happen is if your PS+ subscription ran out during your internet outage. Go to any PS+ game and you will see when it expires. That date is always the day that PS+ expires on your console. I've been without the internet for a week before, and played my PS+ games just fine. More often than not, my Vita never connects to the internet, yet I can play PS+ games fine on there. My conclusion from my personal experience...your just lying about your own. Little known fact...did you know you can play your PS4 without ever once connecting to the internet? If that's the case, then where is all this covert DRM you speak of?
Sony left it up to the developers if they wanted to do drm or not. PS+ games work fine offline and truly makes me wonder if you even have a PS4. You want sneaky, look at Take Two..2K ruined NBA2K15 with bs drm. You pay $64 for half a game because you need internet for everything.
I was without internet for a week and all non online games worked for me without issues.
I imagine it would be hard to play PS+ games on an imaginary PS4 that isn't hooked up to the internet.
I am including a link explaining how you can designate your PS4 as your primary system. In the off chance that you are actually having this issue and not just trolling, this should help: https://support.us.playstat...
Online games require an online comnection to play obviously. That's not really comparable to the X1 situation.
What about Evil Within? Its a singleplayer game but if you don't download the day one patch you are stuck with a game with lower resolution and about 18fps throughout. Apparently its bad enough that it effects your aiming. Single offline game that absolutely required the internet
Call me crazy, but needing an internet connection to download a patch, is not even remotely close to always on
Destiny was always advertised as an online social multiplayer kind of experience. They even used to use the term MMO I think. Online worlds are not especially new...
I am fine with always online and DRM... If you buy all your games new and you have a good internet connection it shouldn't matter. I can understand people who buy used and think DRM is bad, but I disagree with used games because the devs/pubs don't get any share of the sale. And yes, I know all sides of the argument, it is simply my beliefs...
I say if developers want to have less used games, make titles that are actually so good that gamers will think twice about trading them in. However, more and more content are being stripped away to feed the DLC monster making games feel less like an experience but more like microwave dinners. Review embargoes and other practices of the like are not exactly confidence builders either.....
From a pro-consumer perspective that is one way of looking at it. From a pro-industry perspective I think the people (stockholders) funding this industry would disagree. The argument comes down to the age old question of which came first the chicken or the egg? If piracy and used games disappeared would DLC disappear? If DLC disappeared and games were $15 cheaper would piracy and used games disappear? Either way you are asking for a lot of trust on one side of the argument... Trust from the consumer that quality will always be there or trust from the publishers that all their games will sell well.
That's the thing about selling a product, it's always a gamble so a degree of blind trust has to be made. There is nothing wrong about playing it safe but there are right and wrong ways to to try tip success in the industry's favour. However most of the practices today are angering their consumers due to the amount being invested in deception than the actual product. Companies fail to realize that yes shareholders due to help in keeping them afloat but if no consumer is willing to buy your product, the whole thing falls apart either way. People complain about used games being such a giant problem yet they are still investing in Gamestop when it comes to pre-order bonuses (which I believe is another contributor to the problem) along with bad money management in general like the ludicrious 500M budget for Destiny. I'm sorry if I sound like I am against DLC but I do applaud when it's actually done wisely such Dark Souls which is one of the few gamers where it actually felt like an extension instead of a piece intentionally pulled out. For the Piracy issue, that's just something a developer can prevent no matter what she/he does. The best bet is to create games that can sold enough to over shadow the shrink instead of holding all consumers accountable as if all of them are criminals.
I completely agree with everything you've said. I ABSOLUTELY HATE DLC... I WANT ONE PRICE FOR THE FULL GAME EXPERIENCE ON DAY ONE! I ALSO DETEST EMBARGOS AND HIDING GAME FAILURES. But, at the same time I can list a bunch of games that deserved profits and never saw that. You look at the studios that had to shut down last gen and the gaming IPs that had to disappear and it is really a shame that gamers didn't give them the money they needed to succeed. I saw a stat a few years ago where The Saboteur had only a couple hundred thousand game sales yet there were almost 30 times the gamer tags on PS3 and 360 that played the game and got the game ending achievements/trophies. If the gamers would've bought the game new Pandemic would probably still be making games today. Instead they were shuttered... So really, do gamers buy good games new if given the chance?
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