There are reports saying that Apple will begin offering Blu-ray-equipped Macs by February 2007. This is only according to some sources and nothing has been confirmed by Apple as of now.
If they start offering Blu Ray it'll only be an option on the power mac it will be many years before it gets offered on imac and macbook models, jesus DVD burners are not yet standard on macbooks so blu ray will not emerge for many years!
we all know it takes time for a new format to take control, that's not the argument.
I didnt realise that there was an argument! Can someone let me know in future when I get into an argument! My point was that Bluray will only be available on the high end powermac model which is only really bought by professionals for high end video editing such as those used by BBC and many movie directors!
if you didn't realize, argument has multiple meanings. like topic/point/theme. this holds true to many English words. you seem to speak this language. do you have a high school education?
DeathNote1 just wants to pick fights today! This is the second time I've seen him trying to start trouble.
I think blu-ray may win the format war against hd-dvd for the simple fact that Microsoft has to many enemies. Though Microsoft do not own hd-dvd for some strange reason people related hd-dvd as it belongs to microsoft. Now winning the format war does not mean it will win the market adoption war. Even Sony started their digital distribution effort with PS1 games for the PSP and said that the PS4 wouldn't have a disk drive. Digital distribution will win the war; it's destined to. It happened to music, it's happening to games, it will happen to video; it's just a matter of when.
i hope digital distribution doesn't win the war.... because that would cripple the retail industry... and just imagine if you get tired of a game, you won't be able to trade it in to a gamestop. Giving gifts would be equally hard (would it be a card or maybe you go online and print out the receipt for someone??) There would also be no bring the game over to a friends house and what about running out of disc space??? even if they offer 500 GB... if games continue to expand like sony says they are (dual layer bluray is 50 GB which they said will be full by next year) than that means you only get 10 games on your drive...
no... having a physical copy of the game is important to me and I think a lot of people. Gamestop relies on used sales and a lot of people don't enter the game market until a game becomes used.
Now I kinda understand why microsoft put a 50 MB limit on arcade games, it limits it to smaller games and not blockbusters like GoW/blue dragon...
The true winner after bluray/hddvd will be HVD:
whoops... double post
I agree, but there is a time where practical becomes impractical and the impractical becomes practical. As bandwidth increases it will become more mehh to go all the way to the store and get a movie or game when you can just download it. I know there is a level of uncertainty when it comes to this. People fear change; that’s to be expected. I am sure those people that used to make cars for horses worried a bit when they saw how transportation was changing. Same goes with the music industry. The fact is that they will have to adapt or die. This is inevitable. You can't stop it. I big companies are working to bring up to 50MB internet to the public at a very afortable price. when that happens they good bye to physical distribution.
that it won't happen, and its not that I fear change.. but I work in retail (eb games)... and let me tell you, if sony does away with buying games in store gamestop will NOT sell the ps4 and neither will a lot of retail chains... if movies, tv shows, and games are all sold over the internet and not at a store that means a lot of retail employees will end up unemployed and that will upset people.... i mean, right now you can buy stuff off the internet and have it sent to you, and this is a very profitable business but millions of people enjoy the process of going shopping in person and asking real people what they think of the product, plus they like to buy gifts... just think how lame black friday will be if no one goes out to buy movies or games... I think it will be a convenience but will probably fail because without retail outlets the market will shrivel...
I guess this could make a difference but i believe that there is company has already started creating disks that can store both formats on one disk which would sort out the whole problem
I hope both formats die a painful death.
Blu-Ray may be welcome by high end graphics professionals who need a higher capacity removable medium than DVD-9, but does it really mean anything to the average computer user?? It has been said elsewhere that watching movies destroys hardware. Macs are expensive enough as it is without the drive failing every year because you've been using your computer as a DVD player. I don't think there will be very many happy faces on those who buy a Blu-Ray Mac when the drive (the tres EXPENSIVE drive, I should add) packs it in a year after purchase. Digital download isn't an ideal solution, either, because now instead of wearing out your removable drive playing movies and music, you're wearing out your hard drive and that will need replacing and you could end up losing everything else on the drive at the same time. I will never buy any video game console that forces me to download games digitally.I want a backup handy if my hard drive copy becomes corrupted or to sell if I don't like the game or finish it quickly. I'm not paying $60 for a game, find out it sucks or isn't as challenging as I thought or just doesn't work as advertised and then be stuck with no way to return it. Also, what happens when my hard drive fills up?? Do I have to delete games that I paid for in order to buy new ones?? And how do I transfer them if I ever upgrade the hard drive in the future??
the point of it is to allow people to watch Blu-ray movies on their computers, but there's also the copy-protection issues. I doubt HTCP tech is going to prevent much of anything, but it's affecting the way computers are designed nonetheless. So far comps can only use the format for data storage, which kinda blows. Dell, HP, Apple, and Sony are part of Blu-ray so there'll be plenty of market penetration. They better hurry up on the movie capabilities though if they expect the format to get very far. While PS3 is a significant part of the equation, it's not the only front in the format war.
there is someone out there who has already beaten it or is working on a way to beat it. Touting security features in Blu-Ray is just giving movie and music makers a false sense of security. A few months after the format starts to become popular, you'll be seeing pirated Blu-Ray movie and music discs in every flea market stall and digital files on every file sharing service, just like it always has been.
considering a German professor cracked the security tech almost a year ago (he said it was ridiculously easy since there's only 64 possible codes). Even though it's inevitable that hi-def movies will be cracked, the studios should at least try harder. I think the only way average consumers won't be able to pirate Blu-ray discs very easily is because of data size. 50GB of data is a LOT, even for DSL/Cable users, and Blu-ray discs are only going to get bigger.
As far as I can tell though, DVDs are going to be around for at least another decade and those are not only easy to crack but transfer over the internet fairly rapidly.
not because it is sony, but because it is expensive! HD DVD and BLUE RAY pretty much do the same thing for HD viewing, so why not do it cheaper.
Blu-ray will be the future of physical HD media, I think it will blend succesfully in the market, at first it looks like its way to expensive, but eventually it will become the next DVD...
From the beginning Blu-ray has had more of a chance. Apple will be offering it with Dell soon to follow. If it can become a new standard in the PC market (with Apple & Dell that is likely) then it can easily become a consumer favorite.
but dell could abandon ship if microsoft doesn't support bluray drives... dell will probably eventually just do what microsoft tells them... OEM typically listen to the supplier of the OS
Microsoft can easily kill Blu-Ray on the Windows platform by simply putting something in Vista that rejects the use of Blu-Ray players. Dell will jump to the HD-DVD side quickly if Blu-Ray players won't work under Vista.
Will be on Windows Vista. If microsoft Put something on Vista that Prevented Blu-ray from working then they would be in big trouble with the U.S Goverment and anti-trust legislations.
Also Dell has already said that they will be backing Blu-ray over HD-DVD.
they couldn't "stop" bluray from working, but they might not open the api's for bluray drivers... they might also raise the price for dell to purchase windows for their computers or something like that... there are ways to put pressure on OEM's legally (microsoft has been doing it for years... and apple bipassed all that by just creating a vertical structure where they listen to no one)
But I don't even think microsoft cares that much about which format wins, either way, they are a software company that can make money making bluray software or hddvd software.... so in the end who really knows? well... thats obvious, its consumers that will choose with their wallets.
It doesn't really matter if Mac gets the BluRay.
Mac OSX/apple computers: 4% with BR support
Windows/pc hardware : 96% with MS supporting HD-DVD
Now there you have it.
http://www.channelregister.... http://www.tgdaily.com/2005... "Microsoft's and Intel's interest in this matter, Peterson argues, are limited, since they don't manufacture the drives or the devices that include them (one possible exception being a future incarnation of Xbox 360, though Microsoft states early editions will not include high-def DVD). The major PC brands will sway consumers' decisions, he believes, and those brands are HP and Dell, both of whom are Blu-ray proponents."
This was just to show Mart that ALL major PC manufacturers support Blu-ray, while HP is the only one that had a change of heart, but I'll explain why...
There's some pretty significant speculation that HP got muscled by Microsoft into joining the HD-DVD association.
"Several industry sources last week told EE Times that Microsoft is muscling into the optical-disk fray by leveraging its operating-system clout to bundle HD-DVD within Vista, the company's next-generation OS. There is also talk that the software giant may be planning to offer cash incentives — in the form "coupons" — to system vendors or retailers if they agree to support HD-DVD. Such coupons would provide "credits" or "memos" for each PC that is sold with HD-DVD inside."
"Microsoft has declined comment, and the EE Times does not offer any considerable proof of their claims. They do, however, suggest that HP's decision to ask the Blu-ray Disc Association for more HD DVD-like features was the result of Microsoft "getting through" to the company, whatever that may mean. Maureen Weber, general manager of HP's Personal Storage Business, said that HP came to see Microsoft's side of things after a few meetings. According to Weber, the PC industry will be interested for one simple reason: cost."
"The question of motives is a never-ending one, and it has been rehashed more than once on Ars. The most common theory is that Microsoft is ultimately doing anything in its power to put the hurt on Sony's PlayStation 3. Microsoft's Media Center ambitions are huge, and...they're bigger than those surrounding the Xbox 360. Make no mistake about it: the next version of Windows will be billed as an entertainment OS, and the Xbox 360 will be subjugated to that."
Quick Summary: Microsoft is pushing HD-DVD into the PC market by integrating it directly into their OS, which simply means less cost to PC manufacturers than Blu-ray. Not because it's better, but because it's what They want. Microsoft's vision is to create the ultimate multimedia experience for the living room, and Sony is a huge obstacle. The Xbox 360 exists solely as a bridge from the living room to the PC, as evidenced by its ability to stream music and video from Media Center XP. Vista will only push this harder.
Sony has a bit of an advantage out of their noticeable disadvantage. While the PS3 can't connect to Windows Media Center and stream content, that's actually a good thing in that it doesn't require the presence of an additional computing device to do the same features. It can play video and audio files right out of the box, and in addition has hi-def movie capabilities. Worse yet, it has a web browser (!) and the ability to install and run multiple operating systems (PPC-based of course).
Playstation 3 stands by itself and does the functions of both the island (PC) and the bridge (Xbox 360). This is a huge threat to Microsoft's goals and while Sony's goals for the PS2 were far too lofty to be realized, they haven't given up and those goals are now becoming a reality with PS3. Hopefully everyone can work past their favoritism and see what's really happening.
while that post was slightly bias...it makes incredible points. From the looks of it, blu-ray may very well win that war. But who cares, in the end(10-15 years from now) its all gonna be digital, so sony can have its fun now.
i belive i read somewhere that Microsoft isnt backing HD-DVD because they want it to win, they are backing it because they want BOTH formats to fail, they want all digital distibution, so if they back HD-DVD it will be enough to make the media war a draw, and thus killing off both formats.
but as a side note if you check out the AV Forums (the people that are most intrested in HD stuff and are the early adopters of it and seem to know the most about it) HD-DVD is getting way more backing from the CONSUMERS which is what really matters something like 2:1 in favor of HD-DVD, and being that the 360 HD-DVD drive works on your PC and can be had for $200 (actually less if you take into acount that you get king king = $40 and the media remote = $30 both free) and EVEYONE that buys the drive is doing so because they WANT TO WATCH HD movies, unlike the ps3 where MOST people buying it are doing so for games, its hard to belive that HD-DVD will fail. When the movie studios that currently only support Blu-Ray see all the money being made by the studios that support both or only HD-DVD they will switch, and right now HD-DVD's are outselling Blu-Ray by a LARGE margin, so it really wont take long. if anyone is intrested in learing more check out www.avsforum.com or www.avforums.com and for sales info you can just check out the top selling movies on amazon.com its in black and white with HD-DVD way out infront. The consumers will pick who wins this war and quality being equal (which it is and if anything HD-DVD is a little better) the consumers will pick whats cheaper and that is HD-DVD hands down.
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